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sh.itjust.works

Can we shatter this bullshit about tech bros who struck it lucky with some early dotcom investment being geniuses?

I'm fucking tired of hearing about how these barely functional assholes who chanced into luck once are geniuses or in any way genuinely earned their wealth. They're all fuck heads that spend most of their time trying to justify why they're entitled to their lavish lifestyles...

In fact, can we just stop using the term genius? Some people are pretty good at some shit, but the elitism associated with that term is fucking toxic.

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Elon inherited apartheid wealth and then got lucky in addition to that. He would have a fine life without his "investment genius" or how they call it.

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ohellidkreply
sh.itjust.works

You support me = genius. You don't support me = asshole, woke, liberal, loser, commie, ect. Ass kissers at their best.

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No he does not use terms like that. He gives them a creepy nickname that is leaking mental illness and presents it as a teasing joke from grandpa but his demon child mercernaries instantly make it into a hateful call to violence

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Genius = born into wealth

These pricks were both born on third base and think they hit a triple.

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lemmy.world

Only a Batchelor degree and college drop out. Genius seems to be a broad term nowadays.

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sopuli.xyz

Nope. And his degree was awarded after he stopped attending after a large donation by daddy. No one in the physics programs remembers Elon in class. Only official statement they will give since transcripts are not public.

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Really? That means I’ve accomplished far more academically than this billionaire???

Bill Gates actually understands com sci

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lemmy.zip

It goes beyond that and is largely related to the same anti-intellectual propaganda we have had shoved down our throats for decades (basically since reagan).

Think back to basically every single movie/tv show with a "smart" character. Invariably, they are "cool" and have anti-authority tendencies. And, invariably, there is a character who is a conventional nerd who is actually an idiot compared to this cool kid with an ice rink in their basement because they pronounced a word wrong or got a single question wrong.

And what has that done? It has raised generations of people to value "genius" over "smart" where someone who is quirky and weird is WAY more intelligent than the person who actually just sits down and reads things. THOSE people are losers.

And what does a balding techbro with hairplugs who has driven double digit companies into the ground have? That's right, he thinks he is a living meme and thus must be a genius.

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And what does a balding techbro with hairplugs

Had me until then, he has lots of bad qualities, the above isn’t one of them.

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The term genius might have its place, but IMO it has nothing to do with how good you are at making money or exploiting your workers. Like in the world of investing maybe you could argue Warren Buffet is a genius, but that certainly doesn’t go for every asshole that’s hoarded millions to billions of dollars.

It’s also overused in most cases anyway. Much like saying something is “awesome” when it fills nobody with awe, saying somebody is a “genius” usually means as little as “pretty good, even solidly above average” rather than somebody who taught us something new about the world or ourselves.

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I would even say he had a good run of picking good ideas and making them work. But I think he's too rich and crazy and out of touch now, he has lost his drive.

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ripcordreply
lemmy.world

under 500 million

Do you have a source? We know it's way down, but the only stuff I'd seen with real numbers was pure speculation. And none of them were as bad as dropping to 10%.

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spongebuereply
lemmy.world

But the original numbers showed a 90% decline, so something isn't apples to apples here.

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Those were talking since purchase, which was further out than last year I think

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lemmy.world

If Trump wins, Musk will effectively have purchased a seat in the federal government. How democratic.

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Just like trump's last cabinet where he appointed people who donated large amounts of money to him.

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Pretty sure every president does that. Aren't ambassador jobs to allied foreign governments essentially gifts to friends or donors? Of course were talking about cabinet positions but it seems to me cabinets positions usually go to who kissed the most ass instead of who's most qualified. When's the last time secretary of education went to some who has actually taught a class?

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"We don't want the ruling elite telling us what to do just to enrich themselves! We want billionaires to run the government!"

I don't have many braincells more than a typical Magoo but my God are they killing what I had left...

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lemmy.world

Trump thinks Elon is a genuis... that speaks volumes of Trump's own intelligence

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pawb.social

A scary large number of people still seem to see him as a genius. It sounds dumb to those who pay any real attention, but those that don't still (in my experience) see him as smart.

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Sizzlerreply
slrpnk.net

I listened to the Joe Rogan podcasts (I know, I know) and the difference of intelligence between Zuckerberg and Musk is night and day.

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kent_ehreply
lemmy.ca

the difference of intelligence between Zuckerberg and Musk is night and day.

Which one is dumber?

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Sizzlerreply
slrpnk.net

Go make that decision for yourself my friend.

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I'd rather not have to listen to either of them.

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He used to at least be smart enough to have a good PR team, but even that has collapsed in recent years.

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Having OTHER Billionaires in your Cabinet is EXACTLY how you Drain The Swamp and DEFEAT the Deep State!

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Translation: Ladies and Gentlement, cabinet seats are for sale, bid accordingly.

Wilbur Ross got his for bailing Dementia DonOLD out when he bankrupted a casino during the casino boom.

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lemmy.ca

Elon Musk is a genulius just asuch as Trump is.

Both are incompetent scammer assholes who got incredibly lucky, that's it.

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lemmy.world

Another sure sign you’re not intelligent or educated: You think Musk is a genius.

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discuss.online

I mean unless he's falsifying his IQ records, he is technically. 30 points higher than genius.

That said: 1) he's probably falsifying and 2) he's a fuckwit genius or no

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discuss.online

I mean okay. That's like saying temperature is an overrated method measuring the conditions outside.

Does it capture the true essence of how it will feel outdoor? No, there are too many other factors to consider.

But it gives the ballpark.

And someone with 130 IQ is unquestionably smarter by every conventional standard than someone with 100.

So like him or not (I don't trust me lol) he is a genius.

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

An IQ test doesn't really measure much other than how good you are at IQ tests.

160 is a high score, but that's the same as Sylvester Stallone got. And people don't go around saying he's a genius.

The world is full of "genius" people that made things, but all Musk seems to make is money.

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discuss.online

They do go around saying that though He's smart as fuck.

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"An IQ test doesn't really do much except tell you how good you are at IQ tests - that... Measure.. intelligence." See how that sounds? Lol.

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It doesn't measure intelligence, it correlates with (logical) intelligence. There is also emotional intelligence, which Musk is evidently on the exact opposite side of genius. You just can't put an exact number on intelligence, only approximate it. Having a lot of money ensures good baseline education, and many avenues to inflate score. His actions and results are going to speak louder than any score he pumps up, and we know where that ends:

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sh.itjust.works

The easiest way to cheat on an IQ test is to simply practice. As far as I know, nobody has yet managed to design an IQ test where you can't get better with practice.

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Sure, and you can also get smarter with hard work and studying. So that tracks. See what I did there lol

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yiffit.net

No, because temperature actually is a valid and reliable measure of heat. IQ tests are neither valid nor reliable. Most of their use has been co-opted by racists seeking to prove a point about minority groups. They are not a measure of intelligence, and should not be used as such. Broadly speaking, human intelligence is too vast and complex to be easily reduced to a three digit number.

Signed, an incredibly annoyed psychologist.

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“People who boast about their IQ are losers” - Stephen Hawking.

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Aside from creativity (which elon also excels at) and social intelligence (which he does not - or does he) it is a good predictor of intelligence. I mean psychologist or not, you can argue it til you're blue in the face but tests measure aptitude, there's a reason the entire world uses them. Saying someone is "good at tests but not good at the thing" is just a lazy argument.

Temperature measures heat, which is one of many indicators of how it'll feel outside. IQ tests measure "reasoning/problem solving, memory, pattern recognition, and information processing speed." As a psychologist you know that already! Those are a few of the many indicators of a persons intelligence! See how that works?

Carry on!

Is it perfect? Obviously not! But to say it's inaccurate is just wrong.

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lemmy.world

He's shaping up to form a truly unique cabinet...

  • RFK Jr - Secretary of Brain Worms
  • Tulsi Gabbard - Secretary of Bullshit
  • Elon Musk - Secretary of Arrogance and Hubris
  • Kari Lake - Secretary of Bootlicking
  • Mike Lindell - Secretary of Shouting
  • Roger Stone - Secretary of Crime
  • Stephen Miller - Secretary of Child Snatching
  • Donald Trump Jr - Secretary of Self-Loathing
  • Eric Trump - Sturgeon General
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Exactly, Trump probably thinks... "They keep telling I need more African Americans in my employ... I know! Elon is African American!"

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Oh please he doesn't cherish geniuses. He reprimands them and has his aides fire them after they tell him that what he wants to do is fucking idiotic and against the law and then does it anyways.

He is completely against geniuses. And elon is no genius. He's just a rich dumbass that got lucky on a few investments.

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We can't be cherishing our geniuses if we waste them on things like a Trump cabinet, so he's going with Elon instead.

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lemmy.world

If musk is a genius then I have a 10 inch dick

See I can make stuff up too

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Reminds me of a joke.

Guy walks into a bar and sits at the counter. He pulls out a little piano from one pocket and sets it down, from another pocket he produces a little man in a tuxedo who he sits at the piano and he starts playing a jaunty little tune.

Bartender looks over and is like "Whoa! Where'd you get that?" Guy at the bar says "Well the other day I was cleaning up this old attic for a client and I accidentally knocked over an old oil lamp and, wouldn't you know it, a real live genie appeared and offered to grant me a single wish. Unfortunately, the genie seems to have been hard of hearing so now I have a 10 inch pianist."

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lemmy.world

I do not think musk is stupid but he is an idiot. At least behaves like one.

Whilst I do not think he has a low IQ, he certainly misses crucial points in many areas.

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quafeinumreply
lemmy.world

It’s really easy when you inherit wealth… hard part is inheriting wealth for most people though

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samokosikreply
lemmy.world

Elon actually says he hasn’t inherited money from parents and had quite terrible relationships with them.

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quafeinumreply
lemmy.world

You think he paid for his education himself? I sure believe him when he says that he thinks that, doesn’t make it true though

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I do not think musk is stupid but he is an idiot.

This is truly one of the observations of all time.

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lemmy.world

People forget emotional intelligence is also just as much if not more important than logical intelligence when attempting to change the world for the better. And both Trump and Musk rank among the lowest of low there.

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Eximiusreply
lemmy.world

It, honestly, is not. If you want to decide what is fair, what is true, what is good, you dont fucking believe the universe god flows through your emotions. Instead, you think logically, and try to analize and understand what in the human world are the concepts of liberty, good life. And also, analizing whether your emotions are dumbly guiding you in stupid directions.

You cannot solve any societal problems with emotional feeling of what is good. That is what republicans do. Empirical bullshit loosely based on their inherent emotional desires of racism, chauvinism and the rest of the assorted bag of megalomaniac insanity pills.

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lemmy.world

You seem to have misunderstood what I was saying, perhaps you are unfamiliar with the term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emotional_intelligence Because what you are describing is exactly what I was saying. High emotional intelligence is not relying blindly on your emotions like republicans do, that's what low emotional intelligence looks like.

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Eximiusreply
lemmy.world

Relying on logic and rationalism is just intelligence. Emotional Intelligence is understanding and to some degree using peoples emotions, if you want to be very correct. You dont use emotions to define social policy, and hopefully, any social policy will be devoid of emotions, because that can only lead towards confusion, biasedness and group mentality.

If you want to define EI as ability to step away from one's own emotions. Sure. We can agree with that. Personally I would just call that intelligence.

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Every piece of legislature ever needs to deal with the emotions of it's subjects. An unemphatic, but cold hard rational law, will be nothing less of tyrannical most of the time. Laws are for humans to follow, and humans have emotions that need to be understood for a law to be successful and supported to last into the future. A law that isn't supported by it's subjects eventually leads to revolution (big and small).

How logic and rational a person can be is highly dependent on their emotional intelligence. You might be able to suppress your emotions when there is no stress at all, but if you cave during a stressful situation and start lashing out, that does impact your overall intelligence. Intelligence is just the collection of behaviors and training that make you effective at doing what you want to do, and being rational and logical is definitely good, but not the end of it all.

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If he wants geniuses, maybe he should look at university professors (who likely all hate him).. Maybe he should start by not giving them reasons to hate him (like maybe do something to stop shootings at Schools and universities?)

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A cultist, the worlds greatest fresh roadkill finder, and a rich south african marketing guy who loves nazis.

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lemmy.world

Oh flying squid you made me sad today. Well, this is all expected I guess.

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midwest.social

Musk wouldn't take it, or wouldn't stay long if he did. People in cabinet positions get sidetracked all the time by stuff outside their main goals. For example, Dr. Steven Chu, secretary for energy under Obama's first term, wanted to push a nuclear power renaissance. When BP had an oil rig disaster, he had to focus on that instead. So that's great, we wasted the time of a doctor of physics on an oil spill. It's far from the only reason the nuclear renaissance failed, but it didn't help.

If Musk doesn't realize this problem already, it won't take very long until he does and leaves the job.

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lemmy.world

You seem to think Musk is putting in a lot of time doing important work, and not shitposting on Xitter. You also seem to assume he would actually give the cabinet position the full attention and effort it deserves.

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Yeah, his boss would be Trump, who used fema resources to steal medical equipment from states during an unprecedented (in modern times) pandemic scenario. A president who thought he could gain politically by letting the virus run wild, on the assumption that it would hit cities harder, and then probably didn't even care that much when it backfired.

I think the real reason Elon might not want this position is because there's a decent chance his and Trump's egos will clash at some point.

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lemmy.world

Great Scott I'm happy to not be an American, I don't know how citizens will survive another term by this stupid idiot.

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I am absolutely down to having the orange turd put into an old folks home.

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The Cabinet does not have any collective executive powers or functions of its own, and no votes need to be taken. There are 26 members: the vice president, 15 department heads, and 10 Cabinet-level officials, all except two of whom require Senate confirmation. During Cabinet meetings, the members sit in the order in which their respective department was created, with the earliest being closest to the president and the newest farthest away.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cabinet_of_the_United_States

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Kinda depends on the context, but it's probably convenient to consider the president, VP, and heads of departments as "the cabinet". The VP attends the staff meetings and is part of the leadership of the white house. In parliamentary systems, they use the term "ruling government" instead of cabinet, which includes the ministers, prime minister, and vice prime minister.

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In an alternate timeline, Elon Musk may have actually been a reputable head of the Department of Transportation.

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