Donald Trump speech shooting: Gunshots heard at president’s rally – latest news
Looks like someone took some shots at prez candidate Donald Trump at a rally in PA. From the videos I've seen, it looks like he did get grazed.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/news/2024/07/13/donald-trump-speech-shooting-latest-news/Open linkView original on lemmy.world427
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Guess some of those 2nd Ammendment guys might be "trying to do something about it" eh Donnie?
This is what you get when you preach hate 24/7. This isn't a gameshow.
The shooter and an audience member are dead. How Machiavellian do you think these people are that they'd kill two people for a PR stunt?
Yeah I too thought it was staged until bodies showed up. Anyone continuing to say this was staged at this point feels very Alex Jones.
I don't think it was staged, but I also don't think they would give a shit if other people died during a staged shooting.
I agree, but I don't think Donny is brave enough to allow lethal ammo to stage anything.
Also true.
They'd surely have regard for Trump's life, no? I mean "they" shot him in the ear. An inch closer and he'd likely be dead.
Did they shot him in the ear?
Child border seperation policy
What? Are you fucking delusional? I understand brown people are not really people for you guys there, but do you realize how many people indirectly and directly "these" people have killed in Syria alone, counting only cases of being simply too lazy?
Killing two people for fucking presidency? You think it's unrealistic?
Anyway, the answer to the question "how Machiavellian" is "fully" for everybody participating in politics, because we are still homo sapiens and our time is just as Machiavellian as Machiavelli's time, there are no naive people there, and if there are no poisonings and assassinations left and right there, that's for the same reason only there are no nukings left and right on the map, not because they are moral.
What the fuck... ?
How am I delusional for not thinking this was staged? The moving parts required for it to be staged are an order of magnitude more complex and voluminous than it just being a lone nut with an AR-15. Unless you have some actual solid verifiable evidence that calls the boring reality of the situation into question, I'd maybe dial down the rhetoric a tad.
Not that, just that it's improbable because of lives soent
Also right as steam was picking up about Project 2025.
I'm just sick at how much of a coup this is for the Trump campaign. That photo is going to do so much work
I had to do a double take on that abbreviation
Same meaning at this point.
Schutzstaffel, as in protective service would probably be a better description of what they actually do I guess
Secret service better fits sg like the CIA
Right? USSS is the proper abbreviation for the United States Secret Service.
Again, I wouldn’t be surprised if they just shot a random person, claimed they were the shooter and wrapped this up.
He is an abhorrently cruel person. And those that follow him are as well. None of this is outlandish enough to not be true.
Unless it was a blood capsule or something the guy is too much of a pussy to pull something like this off.
You recall that he wanted to rip off his suit and display a Superman logo after beating covid, right?
Id say it's on brand.
I’m seeing a rally attendee was killed along with the shooter.
Plus an image of some blood on the bleacher from a live stream that kept running:
https://imgur.com/a/V0SyhKE
Now AP is reporting the same thing.
https://x.com/merylkornfield/status/1812263916497506711?s=46
According to a Washington Post reporter that talked with the district attorney, an audience member and the shooter are dead. Not a stunt.
Don't stoop to that level. Assume it was real. Base your conclusions on evidence. Not conspiracies.
My worry is that some lunatic right winger is trying to push us to civil war.
We’re already there. They just haven’t started the American Violence™ phase yet. Right now we’re in the American Saber Rattling™ phase.
i keep thinking of that too…
One of the attendees in the bleachers was hit:
https://imgur.com/a/V0SyhKE
News is also saying that 2 are dead: https://news.sky.com/story/shots-fired-at-donald-trump-rally-as-former-president-rushed-off-stage-13177651
This doesn't sound like it was staged.
In other words he can't be questioned
Absolutely. False flag for sure.
Edit: /s. Half of you are way too serious.
I dunno. I saw the footage. If the guy from Home Alone 2 was acting, he'd be a lot more blatant.
Plus, wouldn't secret service be in on it? I bet you they can't stand the guy either.
From my understanding, his service detail are all true believers. Remember, most LEOs and the like are very right wing.
Well, that may be true. According to AP, the gunman and an attendee are dead. So... not staged.
At least two confirmed dead:
The bullet is totally a crisis actor, you can also see it in that one Reagan clip. /s
Can be seen in the JFK "assassination" as well. Dude gets around. Was younger then and could do some crazy acrobatics back then though.
reap what you sow
Half the comments here are proving that people on the right aren’t the only ones who can indulge in stupid conspiracy theories.
It’s depressing as fuck.
Q-Anon level thinking that somehow Trump is a mastermind of this. The dude who can't hide stolen files properly, can't lie on his taxes properly, and loses money on a casino, somehow has the ability to rig a false flag assassination attempt.
Are NeoLibs that so far into the Kool-Aid that Dipshit Trump is also a grandmaster 5D chess player of this, while not being able to string words together? It's not like he's even been a good actor.
Trump isn't even the mastermind of his own bowel movements. If this was staged it was all planned by his Russian handlers.
I am glad Russia has no experience whatsoever with this type of operations
It's fun to indulge in, and it doesn't change the fact that shit is about to hit the fan, regardless of whether the shooter was someone with a legitimate desire or a paid gunman. Trump was just given and used a golden ticket to both rally republicans to vote for him, and to incite his diehard followers into another insurrection.
Sure, but I don't think being an ironic conspiracy theorist on the levels of Q-Anon is going to make anyone seem better.
Trump was already going to do that. Trump would do it if someone sneezed on him. They already considered him a martyr. They already wanted/have an Enabling Act. The only thing this changes is a bit less blood in him, and 3 people died. Trump already had higher polling numbers.
Fascism is here. Get ready.
It won't make anyone here seem better, I agree. But at the same time, it's not like we're going to have the opportunity to joke around like this after the inevitable happens.
Enjoy life while you still can, you know?
I admit I saw a red fluid on his face.
Yeah there are some real idiots in this thread. Very depressing
It's representative of the current state of this country honestly.
I'd imagine that there are a lot of rather confused individuals in a number of countries, and when tempers run high around politics...shrugs
I don't know if the US would be particularly bad. Would need to have some kind of way to quantify that.
A "false flag assassination attempt" is not as hard to rig if you know it won't be properly investigated.
Neoliberals are pro-trump, plan 2025 calls for going after people with student loans
It doesn't take a mastermind. Dictators faking assassination attempts to garner support isn't new.
"All right ear me big sniper guy, it's going to be an attempted assassination, the biggest ever, you are going to shoot me close, like danger close but don't worry I'm the best president, really I'm the best and you are the best sniper, the best sniper in the whole country. So you shoot me near the ear, near enough that blood comes out, I know scary stuff, but we are tough guys, the toughest so you do it and I resist and together we make the best attempted staged assassination ever"
Your gullibility making you believe a conspiracy theory over your own eyes.
What I find sad is that either option is equally plausible. That's how low we have sunk.
0.01% chance based on what?
I think being unsure either way makes perfect sense. You gotta admit it doesn't really line up with Trump's character to be posing for the cameras if he's actually being shot at. Though tou're not wrong to say, that that isn't proof of anything. It's subjective feeling.
But, I think saying it's entirely unlikely this was orchestrated isn't right either.
I'm not claiming anything. It's just really, really early after the event.
My choice of words was not ideal, and I apologize for that.
I'm just saying being unsure of what happened isn't crazy so soon after the event.
You're out here saying what is and is not likely based on your own feelings about what you feel is true.
It's simply too early to say anything definitive about what level of conspiracy existed (in the traditional sense, of more than one person, conspiring).
I am not saying this was staged. I'm saying you're jumping the gun, to say so confidently it wasn't.
Very convenient.
I wonder what the chances are that Russia did this.
I don't disagree with you, but you completely missed my point.
https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/aaaah
On this topic as a whole, it's also proving people on the left are in favor of gun violence...
Elections were meant to be bloodless revolutions. Unfortunately with First Past The Post voting, the right options were not available to vote for. But we can change how we vote. We can make peaceful revolution possible with a more representative electoral system.
Antifascists have a long history of shooting Natzi.
Not every time at all. Franco, Salazar, and Pinochet were not defeated via guns.
And how! I love the irony tho.
I was thinking the same thing
What's worse is that the MAGA crowd has Trump and some other figures intentionally playing conspiracies up and adding weight to them. The guys on the left don't even have the excuse of Biden and company bullshitting.
How do you know their political leanings?
But why would you even think that people on the left are different from people on the right? This is why I'm not into politics myself. Because it all builds on some fake idea that one side is right about everything, even good people, while the other is wrong about everything, and probably are bad people as well.
In reality, both sides are very similar and have much more incommon with eachother than they have with the politicians they are trying to support.
Care to clarify? I can’t make sense of your comment.
Ah, got it. You just misinterpreted my comment.
You:
This is false. Here's what I said, "people on the right aren’t the only ones"
Like I said, you misinterpreted.
Just quid pro quo.
"blue maga" implies that there is a cult of personality around Biden like there is around Trump. That is simple not what anyone opposed to Trump believes in or rallies around.
You mean the primarys for this election that Biden is the sitting president? Or primarys four years ago when he was the guy pushed immediately to the top before the primarys?
So... When he was the top runner before the primarys.
What are you trying to say?
Based on what? Neither of you know who they support or which way they lean.
I like attempted assassination victims that don't duck for cover.
It'll take more than that to stop a Bull Moose!
I say we elect that one guy behind him who barely reacts at all
Honestly, they're all so dead inside up there that I'm amazed any of them even flinched.
Oh Trump will absolutely bring them up at every single rally to froth up the crowd. Because he may be the martyr they care about the most, but the martyrs who actually died will be great ammunition (I can't think of a more appropriate word, sorry) to rile up the crowd.
That is assuming there is another rally, and today's incident wasn't just the catalyst for a Jan 6 sequel. Knowing his supporters, I'm not holding my breath, unfortunately.
Considering the number of people here claiming this was Trump staging a false flag, I am absolutely certain there are a similarly large number of people on the right saying this was Biden trying to assassinate Trump and something must be done. So I hope not.
Prosecuting the president for stochastic terrorism? That's a precedent they really don't want to set with Trump as their candidate.
That they are pushing it is evidence they don't think they'll have to follow the rule of law if they win.
They won't. The Supreme Court already determined that.
All I'm hearing is that they think Biden told the truth and used the power the Heritage Foundation SCOTUS explicitly gave him, and now they're inexplicably butthurt about it.
Thats fine, isn't Biden permitted to assassinate people while in office with immunity?
Unfortunately, the number is likely going to be a lot higher.
I'm pretty sure a lot of the people here are (or at least me) are being joking/sarcastic about the false flag conspiracy. For us Lemmings, there's no emotional stake in these events, whereas his supporters will be angered over anyone even attempting to kill their fascist idol...
I'm not sure of that at all, especially when emotions are running high.
I'm not absolutely discounting the possibility they they somehow found some schlub to die in a fake assassination attempt, but I'm also not going to come up with conspiracy theories until there's been some time to go over evidence and analyze the situation.
Respect for that. It's a reasonable and rational response to today's series of events, despite the temptations of role-playing as a conspiracy theorist to escape from having to think about the hypothetical consequences of said events.
Fascists love their "martyrs for the cause".
They chose to go to a rally to support a man who wants to be a "dictator on day one" they made their choice.
Wasn't one an eight year old?
I think you're thinking of a school shooting.
I just hope they were crucial to Project 2025
Well things are about to get a whole lot worse. That raised fist is going to be printed on all the right-wing crazy stuff and they will use this to justify violence against anyone opposing Trump.
Jan 6 is going to look like pleasant stroll compared to what's coming after this...
It was going to happen anyways eventually
pretty much. electoralism has never stopped fascism.
End stage capitalism any% WR exploit TAS
With the supreme court ruling regarding official acts we have already reached the point where democracy is on its last breaths.
This is the time for escalation that people can't ignore in favor of bickering over if the non fascist is old.
if only it was that easy
Remember that Biden is immune thanks to the SCOTUS.
He has a alibi, he's in Delaware. But as long as it was an official act, he could order it.
He wouldn't do it himself. He would order Seal Team 6 to do t. They wouldn't have missed, though.
Nah, this was obviously Hunter Biden in a Gritty Suit. The gunman who got massacred by the cops was just a patsy like Lee Harvey Oswald
A Libertarian friend from Florida joking suggested Hunter Biden. I think it was Melania.
I suppose we need even more guns.
This wouldn’t have happened if Trump had a gun on him smh
Isn’t he banned being a felon
He sure is.
Oh, he's More Than a Feeling
Technically not a felon until sentencing.
So in the mean time, we can call him:
Presumptive felon nominee
Felony frontrunner
Felon elect
Or everyone else in the crowd had one
If he was wearing armor made of guns he wouldn’t be bleeding.
After giving due remarks, could Biden sign an executive order for sweeping gun control and name it after Trump and present this incident as the impetus?
No the executive can't create laws.
Genius.
Disarming the resistance right before a fascist takeover is not the genius move you think it is.
Democrats_IRL
Practical solution for a practical problem
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Somebody could shoot Trump on 5th Avenue and nobody important would care.
Would absolutely not care about Trump. Would absolutely care about the incensed conservative mob with minimal brain cells, rage and guns starting shit
Their rage is mostly impotent. When push comes to shove, I think the vast majority of them will stay home and continue posting on Truth Social.
Did you miss the whole Jan 6th thing?
That was the best they had from all around the country. Mostly thieves and vandals, stealing a laptop and a podium, smearing shit on the walls. Very few actually prepared for violence. If shit went down nationwide, those few violent ones would not be together in one place, so they'd pose far less of a threat.
that’s not what i took from j6…
One lady gets shot and they break like Lee at Gettysburg.
Unless there is someone to direct that rage, they'll have no idea what to do with it, or where to direct it.
There will always be people that direct that rage, Trump is a cult leader but he's not the only influencer
trump is a fortuitous puppet. he ran for president in the past too, but he didn’t win because the times weren’t right for it.
I would not put this beyond him.
I think it would be. Not morally, just i don't think he's competent enough.
That's called a false flag attack. I could believe it, but I could also believe it was a sincere attack.
Being serious about it for a moment, it's extremely unlikely that it's a false flag attack. It's fun to joke about the idea, but the reality is that it doesn't appear to be staged, and he's far too much of a coward to agree to have somebody shoot at him.
Besides that, there's plenty of politically-unaffiliated groups or individuals who would probably want him gone just for how his last term contributed to the abortion bans, reunification of church and state (in some states), government corruption, etc.
No one needs to actually shoot at him, he can just have a capsule of fake blood in his hand and smear it on himself at the right moment. It's so easy even he can do it.
Could also have been a real shooter.
Would he be told about this plan? It'd certainly be more convincing if he didn't know, and was set up by the RNC.
there's also plenty of fence sitters and centrists who I sincerely believe would vote for him on tough guy vibes alone, despite him being a coward
Hes fully too much of a coward to be shot at.
But you're assuming he was shot at. Ducked, hidden away from camera, then blood on him.
No one is ducking a bullet
Some? They anyone with a functional brain that has been paying attention. Nothing the dude has ever done has been honest.
From the article:
An excellent PR stunt and call to action for his violent insurrectionist supporters, if you ask me.
Right after meeting with Orban who just met with Putin? I don't know if I really think that, but I would say it's possible.
Christ. Now I'm envisioning his future campaign speeches. "They try to shoot me down, I am an immortal."
immoral
Campaign? Doesn't really need to even campaign anymore after this. Maybe he will mention it at a state of the confedarcy talk or something. These are such shitty times.
we’ll never hear the end of it.
We will hear it for another 10 years when he finally has his hamburger heart attack.
Sweet, shoot again
Immortan.
Immotan-gelo.
So? This happens in Schools all the time?
This fucking shooter could set behind democracy in the US for dozens of years. Land the shots and you martyr him, miss and you galvanize his support. Seriously the conservatives were starting to shift away from the far right after Epstein documents and Project 2025. Now deep state wackos will NEVER go away and resort to crazier armed shit. Seeing people comment that the shooter 'was so close' is insane and makes them no better than political extremists.
if bolsonaro is any indication, this is just turning him into a martyr.
really terrible job by whoever tried it.
Biden testing his Presidential Immunity.
Just a little off the top
Gotta start somewhere.
Official Act™
Just a warning shot
Ex-prez, please.
Video https://imgur.com/a/TqPqVVn
Looks like one of the bullets actually got him in the ear, as he grabs is ear right away. I thought it was from him getting tackled down by the secret service.
So the shooter was almost a good shot. So close.
According to TMZ a secret service agent said the bullet hit his teleprompter and glass shrapnel hit his ear.
https://www.tmz.com/2024/07/13/donald-trump-appear-shot-pennsylvania-rally-president-election/
Was the teleprompter behind him?
No clue. I would assume it was in front, I'm merely attempting to spread actual information, unfortunately it is from a less than reputable source, but looking at their timeline, they seem to be covering all possible snippets of information from the scene, without speculating on the motives of the shooter.
If it was in front, then it would not have hit his right ear as he was looking to the left.
Ricochets happen with shrapnel.
Around his head?
https://twitter.com/i/status/1756101980307771782
Take it like Teddy you wimp.
This is what wins him the election.
I like candidates that don't get shot at for being pieces of shit.
Won’t matter at this point. Even if it turns out to be faked. It won’t matter. His base is that fucking stupid. The idea has been planted and it doesn’t even have to be true.
This just got him elected.
There's a lot of time, a lot can happen, but this just justified a lot of the nonsense narratives the right wing has been trying to push.
I really hope you're wrong, but it certainly helps him.
OK someone quick shoot at and near-miss Biden as well so the martyrdom evens out!!11
I’ve never hoped to be wrong more I don’t think, but I fear now that the Cletus brigade is going to go on a fucking rampage.
Innocent lives are gong to be lost over this.
FTFY. He called on his rabid supporters to "fight." I think we all know what that means.
Yep. Many innocent people will die because of this.
I'm more worried about the nutzos trying to "defend trump".
Oh and First Past the Post voting artificially limiting our options putting us into this situation.
As much as I hate to admit this, it wasn't a fake shooting. The 'acting' was way too good to be faked. The mid-word 'stung in the ear' confusion slowly followed by the realization of what happened and the clumsy collapse to the ground are just too believable to think it wasn't real. That said, whether it was a false flag or not is another story.
That image was after I heard security yell "shooter's down"
Edit: They also yelled "clear we're clear".
An antended at the rally and the shooter were killed per the AP
Yup.
One of the videos you can hear "shooter down" before he gets up. Elderly, near death experience, and monumental arrogance would help explain his reaction pretty well!
Shooting him isn't the way - but I can see why someone was scared enough to think it was. Just remember kids, voting for Biden isn't just voting against trumpler - it's saying you would literally prefer someone who is probably senile overhim. It's a solid insult, and you should go out there on polling day to make sure he hears it.
C-span footage: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c5123735/shots-fired-trump-rally
From the article:
Undoubtedly, this will incite his violent insurrectionist fan base into a repeat of Jan 6.
You know it was Rudy
Just looks like tourists enjoying a day out to me.
The fact that mods are actually doing their jobs in this thread restores some of my faith in Lemmy.
Would the world be a better place without Trump? Probably. Is this the way? No.
Thoughts and prayers.
I see blood but I don't see a wound. Are they really going to try and pass that the perfect hole there is a bullet hole? Wouldn't a gun shot wound there take a bigger portion of the ear?
Paramedic here. All parts of the head are very vascular, and so any head injury at all bleeds fantastically. If the top of his ear got clipped, that would be enough to produce that much blood.
Depends on the hit. There's not much blood so it might just be a graze.
Probably bounced off his thick skull.
Depends on the round. A lot of factors come into play on gunshot wounds, including velocity, mass, resistance, angle. There is even some possibility that the round just barely missed, but the displacement of air is actually what broke skin.
That is an urban legend. I've been missed by some pretty large caliber rounds in war and I've seen some pretty large caliber rounds barely miss people. No damage is done. You have to make contact with the round (or vice versa) for it to do damage.
Guy I agree his account history looks a little sus, but isn't that a little bit of the pot calling the kettle black? You have 3 comments since December.See below.
I don't comment a lot, but I have way more comments than that.
Ah I see why, I had the main few communities you post in blocked. My bad. I rescind my comment. Note to everyone else: Check histories in a private tab so you can see even communities that you have blocked.
I'm literally just a dude. I usually don't have time to post, and haven't really felt the need to comment, but I had a rare day off where i felt like I could actually take part in conversation.
sic semper tyrannis
Are you referencing Brutus or John Wilkes Booth?
Or the Virginia state motto
Interesting. TIL. I also learned this from Wikipedia-
Fairly sure that was where Booth got the motto. He lived in the state for some time.
I think it was explicitly a Julius Caesar reference. He was also a Shakespearean actor.
Definitely not Booth lol
Glad to hear it, but I hope you can see why I had to ask.
I had forgotten he said it. A complete Biden of me!
Orange Man Gogh
Nice
It's not clear at all that that's what happened. It is completely plausible that someone would shoot a firearm at a candidate in a hotly contested presidential election. Let wait for evidence to roll in yeah?
You know for a fact that if the shoe were on the other foot, this is exactly the rhetoric we'd be hearing.
So let's not do what they do and live in an evidence-based world and not an emotion-based one.
The "facts don't care about your feelings" party doesn't care about facts and spends a lot of time on how their feelings are hurt.
My evidence (in addition to the weirdness of his reaction, and the convenient blood) - has any article mentioned a shooter being seen/shot/arrested/known to exist? I can't remember a time where there was a shooting and no article said ANYTHING about a shooter, only about the shots. Nothing could be better for the Trump campaign than for him to be "almost" assassinated.
https://news.sky.com/story/trump-shooting-latest-bloodied-trump-shouts-fight-as-hes-rushed-off-stage-secret-service-release-statement-13177655
Sure. It could have been faked.
On the other hand, if I was an unhinged person with a gun and I thought there was a good chance a fascist dictator might run the U.S., I might be inclined to try to do something about it.
There's no reason not to rule something like that out.
Wonder if this should be posted as a new article to the news communities? It's important, more relevant information.
Unfortunately that's just one update on a page with regular updates. You would have to find a better link.
Bruh it happened like an hour ago. But news stories about the shooter being killed are coming out now.
You're right. Wouldn't surprise me one bit. But I still hold all parties to a standard of honest discourse.
Yes it would be the case. Should we start behaving like right wing conspiracy theorists now?
Doesn’t make it right or acceptable.
Yeah but that's because Republicans are fuckin idiots
I wouldn't be surprised either way, honestly. It would be the right timing for a false flag though for sure.
But then on the other hand this is the prescribed treatment for tyrants, per our fore-bearers.
You’re doing what they do.
Yes. You are correct. On reflection I should have put quotes around it as it was intented to convey that but not actually imply that it was the case. It is good you called it out.
Where was Nikki Haley? She was in charge of security!
https://youtu.be/o9mJ82x_l-E?si=P5BPDFiKCQwj_Q44
Almost
Come on man, you're making me laugh at someone getting shot. XD
How is it possible that no one behind him is hit?
At least one rally attendee was killed:
One interview with person at the rally, said there were 3 med-evac's
Reports are coming in that at least one person was.
The crowing will begin soon
Orange Man Gogh
It's a real shame...
This is nothing, check out what putin did!
https://feddit.org/post/698871
I'm sorry, I mean Biden!
Fake news