Spyke
lemmy.world

Growing up half Japanese I could never help laughing at that story as chinchin means penis in Japanese, and I think everyone should share in this amusement.

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TexasDrunkreply
lemmy.world

"Not by the hair on my dick, fuckface!"

I think Green Jellÿ should use that.

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Bill's whole show is just people running around in huge puppet heads chanting that interspersed with Three Little Pigs.

I highly recommend it. Even I had a hard time being drunk while sweating everything out due to the heavy cardio.

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Bo7areply

I will carry this sacred knowledge for the remainder of my fleeting time on this rock.

And giggle.

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datavoidreply
lemmy.ml

My grandma said I was the most handsome boy... Are you calling my dead grandmother a liar?!

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programming.dev

TIL chins are only chins because they stick out. I had always considered the front of a lower jaw to be a "chin".

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lemmy.world

Of course we know why. So that evolution could result in the universe's most perfect being.

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Of course we know why. So that evolution could result in the universe's most perfect being patchwork.

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This is why it bothers me when artists add chins to animalistic characters. It looks so wrong. An example:

Like, shit. Cool character design but you gave the cat lady a chin. Cats don't have chins, why did you give her a chin?

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anamereply
lemmy.one

They don't have opposable thumbs, go into night clubs, walk bipedally or have those wing things either, why is it the chin that bothers you?

That character is mostly a cat skinned human.

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Many animals, including most felids and canids, have a fifth toe (aka dew claw), which could potentially evolve into a thumb. You don't normally see it on domestic dogs though, because if I'm not mistaken, it usually gets cut off when they're a puppy due to it being weak and having a tendency to get caught on things.

Alternatively, there is polydactylism in cats, which can give them extra toes that can help them grab things (I've seen a video of a polydactyl cat using it's extra foretoe like a thumb, though I can't find it). It seems possible that, overtime, an extra foretoe like that might eventually provide enough of a evolutionary benefit for it to become a standard feature.

If cats evolved human-like intelligence, they'd absolutely have night clubs of some kind. That said, I'm not convinced that cats don't already have human-like intelligence and aren't just choosing to not use it, but that's beside the point.

Walking bipedally is something a lot of smaller mammals can do as well, it just isn't their normal mode of locomotion because their bodies aren't currently designed for it. Going the evolution route again, however, and it's possible that a species might eventually decide to stand up like humans did. Edit: I forgot about birds, dinosaurs and semi-bipedal mammals like the pangolin. Birds and pre-historic theropods walked on two legs, and pangolins have heavy tails they can use to balance on their hind legs so their forelegs are free to dig at ant mounds. So humans aren't the only animals that walk on two legs.

The wing things are part of her clothing.


You're correct that being bothered by a chin alone is strange, but,

A) people have weird things that bother them, sometimes illogically

B) I kinda look at anthropomorphic animals as being evolved from their real world counterparts, so I tend to rationalize things in regards to how they might have evolved. It makes it more believable for me.

C) iirc, in the context of the movie that specific character is from, thats actually someone's VR avatar. As such, it makes sense to make human concessions like opposable thumbs, five fingers and toes (cats technically have five toes on each forepaw, four toes on each hind paw), walking plantigrade, etc. A chin seems like an odd concession to make. From the article, it doesn't really give humans any really evolutionary advantage so it's not like you're gonna be unable to do something because you don't have a chin; and based on what I've seen in the furry community, chins on anthros doesn't really seem to have much of an aesthetic appeal either (otherwise nearly every fursona would have an obvious chin).

D) It just looks weird. Idk man, it just looks weird to me.

That said, I don't tend to mind hybrids or mythical creatures like gryphons, dragons, dragon-cats, or whatever, so idk. It just looks weird to me and I guess the thing about humans being the only ones with chins is a explanation and justification for why I find it weird-looking.

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That's a lot of words just to try and justify posting a picture from your furry porn collection.

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You answered your own question in your own question. Cats could potentially evolve a chin just like they could evolve an opposable thumb

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odelikreply
lemmy.today

You're complaining about a chin on an anthropomorphic cat woman that only has 2 breast's instead of 6 to 8...

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discuss.online

Isn't the point of this art to be an anthropomorphic cat? In that case, the chin is appropriate

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except, as you can see, it makes them look terrifying, not like a cat.

you want khajiit, not Cats 2019

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As bigfig said, your cat probably doesn't have a chin. That said, you might consider feeling your cat's chin to see if it's actually a chin and not just fluff or something.

If you feel a boney protrusion similar to a human's chin, then you should unironically contact an evolutionary researcher. They might be fascinated about your cat having an actual chin as humans and only humans (not even neanderthals) are the only known chin-havers. Who knows, your cat might be the "missing link" between chinned and chinless humanoids.

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Looked at wiki. The chin apparently is just the part of bone that juts out under the lower lip. So yeah, no chin on the cat.

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Sorgan71reply
lemmy.world

Call me shane dawson because I wanna put my dick near this cat.

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erp
lemmy.world

If I am not mistaken, according to the grammatical scrolls, having a chin makes everyone .. chinese

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HE'S GONNA SAY HE'S GONNA SAY
HE'S GOING TOO SAAAAAAAAAAY

about the acropoliiiis
where the parthenoooon iiiiiiis

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Believe it or not that picture was taken with the JWST in orbit. To fit her chin in frame.

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“If you're looking across all of the hominids, which is the family tree after the split with chimpanzees, there [are] not really that many traits that we can point to that we can say are exclusively human,” Duke University’s James Pampush tells Robert Siegel for NPR. “[T]hose animals all walked on two legs. The one thing that really sticks out is the chin.”

One of the most popular ideas is that our ancestors evolved chins to strengthen our lower jaws to withstand the stresses of chewing. But according to Pampush, the chin is in the wrong place to reinforce the jaw. As for helping us speak, he doubts that the tongue generates enough force to make this necessary. A third idea is that the chin could help people choose mates, but sexually selective features like this typically only develop in one gender, Pampush tells Siegel.

The spandrel hypothesis is as good a theory as any, but it too has its problems. It’s hard to find evidence to test if something is an evolutionary byproduct, especially if it doesn’t serve an obvious function. But if researchers one day do manage to figure out where the chin came from, it could put together another piece of the puzzle of what makes us different from our primate and Neanderthal cousins, Yong writes.

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andyburkereply
fedia.io

The dismissal of a sexually selected trait just because it usually is far more pronounced in one sex than the other seems extemely premature to me.

I would argue chins are actually already quite different between the sexes - to the point where people will have surgery to change their appearance if their chin doesn't conform to societal ideals.

Sexually selected trait seems like an avenue of research that shouldn't be so easily dismissed.

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No_Eponymreply
lemmy.ca

hard to find evidince

This is, like, an undergrad project.

  1. work with the depressed grad student who is good at stats to determine the parameters of your experiment at the outset and calculate the number of subjects and stimuli for statistical power; pay in marking or research help.

  2. get an appropriate number of headshots from undergrad males for stimuli, give them intro psyc course credit for participating.

  3. work with mid-degree graphic design students to give all headshots 3 levels of chins (low, normal, emphasized), ensuring none are comical; the the psyc grad student signs off on the work as portfolio credit

  4. have an appropriate number of undergrad cis-het women subjects rate a your lineup for attractiveness; intro psyc course credit for participation

  5. analyze the results to see if low chin is selected less than normal or emphasized.

  6. submit your research paper and results; get your 4th year class capstone. Grad student takes your work and adds it to their dissertation, you get a footnote.

I'm sure this has been done...

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I don't have a source on hand, but I'm sure that a pronounced chin has been found in studies as male attractiveness symbol

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I figure walking upright made being hit from below more common, necessitating thicker bones to protect the very sensitive nerves of the jaw.

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lemm.ee

The "spandrel hypothesis" is the front runner explanation. Essentially we didn't evolve to have chins but rather evolved other things that are helpful, and the chin is a byproduct of that other evolution. Not harmful so it didn't get selected away, but not helpful.

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feddit.de

But chin is one of the points determining attractivity in males?

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AstralPathreply
lemmy.ca

If you're perpetually online, maybe? The only time you should give a shit about your chin is if you have an abnormally absent one. Like Andrew Tate for example.

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Kacarottreply
feddit.de

Because they make people want to mate with you

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Takreply
lemmy.ml

By DNA analysis that was completely on the table till they went extinct.

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sh.itjust.works

No "till", plenty of living beings have vestigial elements that were positive at some point of their history, yet no longer are, but are still maintained because there isn't evolutionary pressure to get rid of them.

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Takreply
lemmy.ml

"They" was towards neanderthals not vestigial elements. They are extinct.

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sh.itjust.works

Homo Sapiens develop a mutation XYZ that makes them not be attracted towards Neanderthals -> Neanderthals go extinct -> XYZ is NOW vestigial.

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The genes were from Neanderthals not to make them unattractive and they're also not vestigial. One is a very common gene related to blood clotting and can cause a higher risk of heart disease.

In other words, humans were fucking Neanderthals and we know it because of DNA. If they had never gone extinct it is without question the boinking would have continued.

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Hotzillareply
sopuli.xyz

Same as boobs, Human female breasts are mainly sexual, they are too large for babies to feed.

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Holyginzreply
lemmy.world

I refuse to believe that someone is dumb enough to actually believe this.

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Hotzillareply
sopuli.xyz

What? No other mammal has breasts like human females, and they are full of touch senses unlike other. They are clearly part of human sexuality.

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they are too large for babies to feed.

Then it seems I must have seen some of them fake it really convincingly for some reason.

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I'm sorry, but this isn't correct, adult human females have breasts to hide when they are in estrus, by always being swollen, it's called hidden estrose, it's a whole thing. This has a lot of data backing it up. I KNOW I'M SPELLING IT WRONG! PROOFREADING IS THE LAST RETREAT OF COWARDS!!!!

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lemmy.world

Useful in fighting as it helps protect the lower jaw and teeth?

But then again, it could simply be a trait we have developed over the millennia, and there is no deeper meaning to it.

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I think this is plausible, also the fact that when you lean your head a little bit forward you expose the front of the skull which is the thickest part while the chin prevents people from punching your neck.

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I hear some people are born with just a solid skull with no hinges, it makes me so uncomfortable.

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lemmy.world

Yet again proving Chads are the pinnacle of evolution

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Lizreply
midwest.social

Everything alive today is the pinnacle of evolution.

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Dude, don't disparage the chihuahua. They're the pinnacle of anxiety; something many of us can relate with.

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Nah, I'm of the view that evolution doesn't grow upwards, but sudeways. We are at the edge.

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lemm.ee

I read somewhere sometime ago that the theory that makes the most sense is that we evolved chins to take a punch, which animals besides our immediate evolutionary relatives do not do.

So we evolved chins as an evolutionary advantage over our immediate evolutionary relatives who would logically be competing for the same resources.

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lemm.ee

I read something at some point about how our fists seemed to have evolved or at least adapted to be well suited to delivering a punch. Many people do not use proper hand forms for it, but I suppose it's a learned skill if not at least through trial and error.

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Great, now I have a scenario in my head where one early human delivers a punch and dies of having not the right hands and the other dies because no chin. Also: Imagine our fists if there had been more habsburgs.

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MrSpArklereply
lemmy.ca

The chin would act as a lever no? The longer the chin the harder your brain is shaken.

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I'm a little shakey on the details but I think it has more to do with the extra bone mass in relation to the way the jaw functions. It acts more like a shock absorbing bumper than a lever.

Other animals that get punched there tend to take that blow more to the throat, which is a bit more problatic

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lemmy.world

I'm gonna guess the same reason we have big knuckles/fists and men have facial hair. Fighting.

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It's neither beneficial nor an inherent detriment.

It doesn't provide enough padding to matter for anything, and the dangers of it bring grabbed are vastly exaggerated (been doing martial arts and grappling in one form or another since jr high, if you count a little wresting then, so over thirty years with breaks here and there, and bearded the entire adult time).

At best, blows will slide more and cut less, but not enough to really matter. At worst, having it grabbed hurts, which can be a bad distraction, but it isn't so sturdy as to not be easy to escape. It either pulls loose if their grip is bad, pulls out if their grip is good enough, or makes sure their hands are easy to reach, and allows you an easy access inside their reach.

Every little pro has a con, and vice versa, with none of it being a deciding factor.

A ponytail is worse, and a braid worse than that.

Besides, anyone with a beard that isn't just full mountain man is going to be oiling or otherwise treating their beard. This makes bare handed grips next to useless on them. And if you're in a full contact sparring session, you'll have other options to keep it from being a horrible thing.

Seriously. I have never once been tapped out because of my beard. I've never had any idiot during my years as a bouncer be successful in using it against me. Now, I have had to trim or shave it back because of having wads of it snatched out, but that's still a very minor issue compared to the other things that can happen in a fight.

If anything, the fact that people tend to have this weird reaction to a big, bearded guy compared to just a big guy, you get in less fights in my experience outside of training or a job. Going places with a full beard, even drunks wouldn't fuck with me the way they would other big guys. There's a bit of some kind of reaction where people think a beard = tough sometimes. No clue why, just that it's often enough to have noticed.

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As in a signal of how manly a man truly is, comparative to still being a boy.

Edit: also, hair is counter productive in a fight, because it gives your opponent something to grab a hold of and use against you.

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Donkterreply
lemmy.world

But you ask anyone who knows anything about fighting and the first thing they tell you to do is to cut your hair short because it's just an easy handle to grab on to.

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lemmy.world

When you're fighting human, sure, but our mane probably evolved before we were our own greatest predator.

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I like how people downvoted you on this. As if facial hair somehow evolved after recorded history.

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Well, you can't take it on the chin if you don't have one I suppose.

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Naz
sh.itjust.works

Artificial Intelligence Analysis:

The chin is situated near the area where the tongue and jawbone interact during speech. It's possible that the chin provides a surface for the tongue to move against, allowing for more complex sounds and articulations. The development of language is believed to have occurred around the same time as the emergence of Homo sapiens. While other primates have similar facial structures, they don't possess a distinct chin. This suggests that the chin might be related to the unique demands of human language.

Bingo -- other animals don't have a chin because they didn't invent languages like humans did for communication, and thus the demands of speaking weren't evenly distributed.

Next time on interesting questions 104: Why did homo sapiens develop language when other animals such as Corvids did not?

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I do lick my chin a lot when articulating language. As we all do, right...? fellow humanoids ?

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SPRUNTreply
lemmy.world

This makes more sense than the need to put on pillow cases (which has been my prevailing theory up to this point), but your question about corvids intrigues me. Partially because I'm not entirely certain of what a corvids is.

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Nazreply
sh.itjust.works

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae

Corvids/Corvidae is a species of birds which include crows and ravens - they have demonstrated complex intelligence via tool use and social circles, so they're comparable to human intelligence of some specific various ages/milestones, but didn't invent a spoken language.

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