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Severance, you're right. Unemployment is likely still on the table depending on the state. In Texas, the person can file for unemployment. The company can challenge saying they were a no show but the employee can argue that it isn't true. It is just easier to allow unemployment to just cover it.
EDIT: I once had a guy work for two week as a 1099 and he still filed for unemployment. That got denied because he was never an actual employee, but had we not noticed the claim in the mail, he would have gotten paid.
It isn't a stretch. I can't speak to other states but in Texas, it is almost guaranteed. I had added an edit to my previous comment. The fact that it was approved before we submitted our objection tells you enough.
Why would he get paid for not showing up for 2 weeks, at least when I went on parental leave I had to talk to HR every week I didn't work and ask them to use my sick time, even then they'd forget and I'd have to remind them before the week was off otherwise I wouldn't get a check
Salaried employees get paid by default. Someone has to notify accounting to not pay the person, not the other way around. This has been the process for every company I have ever worked for, or owned. I am not saying that what you are saying isn't true, I am saying that it is fucked up.
We were making it: we were eking by and just starting to turn the corner when one of the partners did some legal wrangling to grab power. FineYouDoIt.jpg because I'd had enough already and prepped my next job.
Hopped a plane. Hopped another. Hopped another. Three people on the planet knew where I was: Mom, GF, and guy who bashes bags at the local airport who saw my name on the flight manifest and checked my connection. Went to the waiting apartment to start the next day. Never looked back, didn't answer email except when Cop friend emailed and asked whether I was missing. Nope, so case closed.
I’ve been in a few situations before where it’s been incredibly tempting to just not show up because:
Your management doesn’t value your input
Nepotism is prevalent when promotions come around
You’re not doing the type of work that was advertised in the job post and discussed your first two weeks
You’re doing excellent work solving difficult and/or outstanding problems but someone else gets the credit
Sure, you could put in a notice of resignation, but if you know that your manager is going to harass you for reasons why, possibly belittle you, and try to guilt-trip you into giving more time to the company to “finish out” tasks on your queue that they’ve not bothered to train anyone else on that you’ve requested over the last two years, then wanting to cut ties as quickly as possible given the toxic environment is a fairly normal desire.
Not saying it’s the right thing to do, and all the flight-hopping that OP claims does seem a tad strange, but sometimes people end up in a fairly unsupportive or toxic environment where you just have to take actions in putting as much distance and as many barriers in place as possible to mentally feel like you’ve regained some level of control.
Absolutely. I was supporting, "But why?" as a valid question because there's more going on here than just being sick of a job. Yeah some places can be super toxic, but this sounds more like what you'd do if they wanted to ask questions about missing money or you punched a coworker or fleeing an abusive spouse. Not that I'm accusing OP of any of that, just agreeing that this is so extreme there's something unsaid here.
I'm in a similar situation. I recognize the planning of my exit. I used to do that in the past.
Or well. Maybe it's not all in my past yet. But I'm doing my best.
It's hard to ask for help, but it's worth it. Life's a mess, but it's worth the struggle to get through the bad days. The right refime medication and (NON-CBT for me) therapy were farging hard to find and keep attending/following.
Good ideas, all around. I'm glad you didn't walk into the sea. I have walked through that dark place myself and it led me to get a therapist who knew exactly what that was like. I learned how to help myself. It's been ten years since then.
Interesting that this is "Livin the dream". It happened at my friend's workplace and the leading theory is that he did some diddling and is escaping the repercussions. Guess it's a fine line...
I worked at a restaurant as a teen. One of the managers went to Hawaii for vacation and never came back. Food service jobs are not hard to find. The bartender he was occasionally fucking was pretty unhappy because he didn't even tell her or call.
Every time I've gone to a beautiful place, (Kauai/Virgin Islands/Moab etc) I've run into former insurance salesman types who just said fuck it, and stayed, and now live in an old school bus and fix outboards or whatever. Often it was precipitated by a big life event like a divorce or a child leaving the nest but sometimes they just bounced. I get it.
On antidepressants and in therapy, which is why I am still here. It is funny, though. Imagine it:
Scene: several people are sitting in a zoom call, with cameras on. It's dead silent.
Coworker 1: Should we just get started?
Coworker 2: Probably, pix's missed the other meetings today too, I doubt they'll show up now.
Coworker 3: I'm starting to get pretty sick of them being so unreliable. I hope whatever they're doing instead of at least letting us know they won't be here is important.
Hard cut to my torso and legs, neck and head out of frame, gently swinging suspended above the ground
This continues for a couple seconds, letting the shock factor linger, before the Seinfeld outro slap bass starts playing
There are so many beautiful things to live for. And if it's just very dark humor.
It might seems funny to think in such scenarios but it leads you on a certain path. It's the same if with all other topics. The more you think about it, the more you live in this world / scenario.
At one time this world becomes so normal that next - potential dangerous - steps don't seem so crazy, as they might do, judged from the outside.
So please: take care and try to focus on other, positive things in life 😊
If he, or the mafia doesn't want him to be found, there's not much you can do.
But in all seriousness: yeah, when someone is missing they should be reported as such at the local police, who can contact the embassy's office in the country they were going on holiday. Many parts of Italy are very safe, rich, modern. But there are also parts where you will get hurt, especially as a tourist. Loads of poverty, gangs, mafia, corruption (particularly the south).
Ah ok. I thought in freedomland it wouldn't be much different, but usually a missing person claim should be passed onto the missing persons division of the responsible police force with a unit like that. But if anyone says "nope, bye" you can always try somewhere else. Or Google it, or ask chat gpt.
Something similar happened to a coworker of mine a long time ago. This girl I used to work with, Adriana, her boyfriend, Christopher, called us at work one day one said that she went on vacation and she just never came back. It was a shame too because the guy died in a car crash like a year later. I saw it on the news.
Are you a natural Hermit? I think I would love to live somewhere where I have minimal communication with everyone around me. I would also love to visit family and friends back home maybe once a year at most. I already kind of do that but at least I would have an excuse.
I’m not a party animal exactly but also not a hermit. The reason I wanted to go home was the racism and xenophobia of Japanese people (which mostly isn’t aggressive but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t grind you down over time)
On the other hand I think as a white guy, experiencing that kind of arrogance, unwarranted superiority of the majority race, while at the same time being able to find all the skeletons in the closet (because behind the nice veneer, Japan is quite the unrepairable mess) was very enlightening so I am glad I didn’t go home early.
It depends on where you want to live, Italy is VERY diverse for a country its size (it used to be multiple countries not that long ago, after all). I'm from the north.
The average salary is about 24-34k€ depending on latitude, but roughly one third of that goes into paycheck taxes before you even see it. A skilled professional can make up to double that, but that's not easy, and only in the north, where life is more expensive. All of this is excluding places like Milan, where everything is WAY more expensive.
Internet connections are a shot in the dark in rural areas sometimes you can get 250mbit, sometimes 0, I know of people who work from home with 30Mbit connections and it's painful.
Rent depends strongly on the location and the city, a 80m^2^ apartment in a secondary city is probably 800-1200€/month right now, that is why most people live with their parents until they get a stable relationship, as you need two incomes to afford a place to live usually. I spend about 100-200€/week for groceries for two adults, but we both make good money and I tend to buy expensive stuff.
Air conditioning is painful. My home isn't super modern, so insulation is what it is, I probably spend 800€/year in the summer for A/C, and the machine itself is 2 years old, so it's an efficient one. The one I replaced was even more expensive to run.
A guy at work did something like that. Went on vacation for a week, just never returned. Didn't return phone calls or emails. Eventually he popped up on social media about 6 months later and some coworkers spotted him and got the story. If I remember correctly (which I may not), I think his girlfriend convinced him to stay, so he did, and he just ghosted his job.
I burned myself out at a startup about 20 years ago. Walked into my bosses office & told him I quit. Was on the other side of the planet a few days later. I did eventually return home though.
I seriously almost did this. I visited the Netherlands, and fell absolutely head over heels for their way of life. It's so damn peaceful and free! You don't have to worry about getting shot when you're running errands. You don't have to worry about going bankrupt through medical expenses. You don't have to worry about going to jail over weed or mushrooms. You don't have to buy a car, because bicycling infrastructure and public transportation is AMAZING.
While I was there I met a lovely chap who is originally from England. He told me that he spent a holiday in Amsterdam, and broke his leg. So he stayed at the hospital, and afterwards, just didn't leave. He's been working/living there ever since.
When it came time for me to leave, I had accidentally missed my train, and it was going to be some extra money to switch around my flight/train to get back home, and a part of me was seriously considering just being like "fuck it" and staying. The only thing stopping me from moving there now is the knowledge that I'd have to continue paying taxes to the U.S. if I wanted to keep my citizenship while living and paying taxes in the Netherlands. 😑
If anyone can tell me a way around this... please do, because I want to move to the Netherlands.
I am Dutch but moved to England (for love) 16 years ago and I have never regretted it. Do it while you can, else you will just live with the regret. It is such a life experience moving countries, there is no way to describe it. The magical feeling that you have in the beginning does disappear a little over the years, but it never leaves completely. The memories you create are just so amazing that you will never lose the magical feeling entirely.
Or he's dead.
Me, dead, deleting all my social media to make it a big mystery or something.
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National emergency number: 911(DO NOT CALL 911 IF YOU'RE SUICIDAL!)I honestly can't tell if this is a joke or not
The best meme is the one that can unironically help someone when the joke ends.
Suicide is not a joke, Jim!
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"And I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
That happened to a friend of mine. He deleted everything when he had a mental health episode. Took time off. They found his remains months later.
So yeah, could be.
Livin the dream.
Just minus the "livin" part. But hey, can't have everything.
Take two weeks vacation. Get paid.
Miss two weeks of work. Get paid.
Get fired. Get two weeks severance and unemployment.
Homie quit and got six weeks pay plus unemployment benefits.
Prob aren't getting severance nor unemployment if you get fired for 2 weeks of no-call-no-show.
Severance, you're right. Unemployment is likely still on the table depending on the state. In Texas, the person can file for unemployment. The company can challenge saying they were a no show but the employee can argue that it isn't true. It is just easier to allow unemployment to just cover it.
EDIT: I once had a guy work for two week as a 1099 and he still filed for unemployment. That got denied because he was never an actual employee, but had we not noticed the claim in the mail, he would have gotten paid.
I used to work in HR. Can confirm that some managers will just pay out bullshit claims because it would be expensive to litigate.
I know someone working in HR. Can confirm that other managers will litigate just to be petty because it's not their own money they're spending.
"Likely" is a huge stretch. "Possible" I could buy in some states.
It isn't a stretch. I can't speak to other states but in Texas, it is almost guaranteed. I had added an edit to my previous comment. The fact that it was approved before we submitted our objection tells you enough.
Why would he get paid for not showing up for 2 weeks, at least when I went on parental leave I had to talk to HR every week I didn't work and ask them to use my sick time, even then they'd forget and I'd have to remind them before the week was off otherwise I wouldn't get a check
Salaried employees get paid by default. Someone has to notify accounting to not pay the person, not the other way around. This has been the process for every company I have ever worked for, or owned. I am not saying that what you are saying isn't true, I am saying that it is fucked up.
I quit my startup like that.
We were making it: we were eking by and just starting to turn the corner when one of the partners did some legal wrangling to grab power. FineYouDoIt.jpg because I'd had enough already and prepped my next job.
Hopped a plane. Hopped another. Hopped another. Three people on the planet knew where I was: Mom, GF, and guy who bashes bags at the local airport who saw my name on the flight manifest and checked my connection. Went to the waiting apartment to start the next day. Never looked back, didn't answer email except when Cop friend emailed and asked whether I was missing. Nope, so case closed.
Wait, so you just bailed on your girlfriend?
I'm curious about that too
No he's just gone to the store for cigarettes.
So that's what happen to my Dad.
Hey Corsican guy, say hi to this guy's dad
But why
Step one in his plan of stealing the declaration of Independence
He said he just had enough
A resignation would've worked just fine. I guess maybe paired with a restraining order if all of this was even remotely necessary.
Yeah, feels a bit too dramatic for no apparent reason
I don't know. Sometimes I wonder how far I could get on the money in the bank and the gas in my car. Just keep driving.
In that case flight hopping isn't the efficient way to do it
In my case…. A couple of blocks…. Tops!…
Drama every once in a while can be good, especially if you’re not there to suffer from the fallout.
I’ve been in a few situations before where it’s been incredibly tempting to just not show up because:
Sure, you could put in a notice of resignation, but if you know that your manager is going to harass you for reasons why, possibly belittle you, and try to guilt-trip you into giving more time to the company to “finish out” tasks on your queue that they’ve not bothered to train anyone else on that you’ve requested over the last two years, then wanting to cut ties as quickly as possible given the toxic environment is a fairly normal desire.
Not saying it’s the right thing to do, and all the flight-hopping that OP claims does seem a tad strange, but sometimes people end up in a fairly unsupportive or toxic environment where you just have to take actions in putting as much distance and as many barriers in place as possible to mentally feel like you’ve regained some level of control.
Absolutely. I was supporting, "But why?" as a valid question because there's more going on here than just being sick of a job. Yeah some places can be super toxic, but this sounds more like what you'd do if they wanted to ask questions about missing money or you punched a coworker or fleeing an abusive spouse. Not that I'm accusing OP of any of that, just agreeing that this is so extreme there's something unsaid here.
or dead
I'm in a similar situation. I recognize the planning of my exit. I used to do that in the past. Or well. Maybe it's not all in my past yet. But I'm doing my best.
All the best to you.
It's hard to ask for help, but it's worth it. Life's a mess, but it's worth the struggle to get through the bad days. The right refime medication and (NON-CBT for me) therapy were farging hard to find and keep attending/following.
I wish you good things too.
Thank you. That means a lot.
You come from Evil Toast. You were born for hope, not despair!
Good ideas, all around. I'm glad you didn't walk into the sea. I have walked through that dark place myself and it led me to get a therapist who knew exactly what that was like. I learned how to help myself. It's been ten years since then.
Meh, I find recognizing I have that ability is actually calming and snaps me out of the depression a bit.
Is that not "living the dream"?
Deading the dream?
Suicide then, unlikely anyone else could delete all his social media.
Interesting that this is "Livin the dream". It happened at my friend's workplace and the leading theory is that he did some diddling and is escaping the repercussions. Guess it's a fine line...
Cheated on his wife. Kid diddler. Embezzlement.
They're never as juicy as people like to think it is. It's usually something lame like depression or raising diddlers.
Depression and raising toddlers can both be the result of ill-advised diddling
"raising diddlers"?
Great show but you really need to watch the censored version.
That made me LOL
Living the dream from the bottom of the Tiber river.
I worked at a restaurant as a teen. One of the managers went to Hawaii for vacation and never came back. Food service jobs are not hard to find. The bartender he was occasionally fucking was pretty unhappy because he didn't even tell her or call.
Every time I've gone to a beautiful place, (Kauai/Virgin Islands/Moab etc) I've run into former insurance salesman types who just said fuck it, and stayed, and now live in an old school bus and fix outboards or whatever. Often it was precipitated by a big life event like a divorce or a child leaving the nest but sometimes they just bounced. I get it.
Makes me wish my career wasn't so fucking niche, for sure
You sure he didn't get kidnapped or run out of money?
What to do if you win the lottery 101
He dead
I, too, fantasize about my coworkers wondering where I am, cue comedy smash cut to my slowly swinging corpse
If/when I do kms it won't be by hanging but it's a funnier mental image
That's nothing to joke about.
Get help!
Suicide prevention hotlines: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/basics/suicide/suicide-prevention-hotlines-resources-worldwide
Like hell it isn't. For some of us, joking about these things are how we stave them off.
On antidepressants and in therapy, which is why I am still here. It is funny, though. Imagine it:
Scene: several people are sitting in a zoom call, with cameras on. It's dead silent.
Coworker 1: Should we just get started?
Coworker 2: Probably, pix's missed the other meetings today too, I doubt they'll show up now.
Coworker 3: I'm starting to get pretty sick of them being so unreliable. I hope whatever they're doing instead of at least letting us know they won't be here is important.
Hard cut to my torso and legs, neck and head out of frame, gently swinging suspended above the ground
This continues for a couple seconds, letting the shock factor linger, before the Seinfeld outro slap bass starts playing
Still not funny.
Really: get help! Talk to someone!
There are so many beautiful things to live for. And if it's just very dark humor.
It might seems funny to think in such scenarios but it leads you on a certain path. It's the same if with all other topics. The more you think about it, the more you live in this world / scenario. At one time this world becomes so normal that next - potential dangerous - steps don't seem so crazy, as they might do, judged from the outside.
So please: take care and try to focus on other, positive things in life 😊
You got this, buddy!
I've had some coworkers that would have made my life better if they'd f'ed off to Italy and never come back.
Living the dream or not living anymore, we'll never know
This post is actually scary. Probably should get in touch with the embassy or something and get a courtesy check done on him?
If he, or the mafia doesn't want him to be found, there's not much you can do.
But in all seriousness: yeah, when someone is missing they should be reported as such at the local police, who can contact the embassy's office in the country they were going on holiday. Many parts of Italy are very safe, rich, modern. But there are also parts where you will get hurt, especially as a tourist. Loads of poverty, gangs, mafia, corruption (particularly the south).
I'm sure you are correct about who to contact first but I would get worried the police would say it's out of their jurisdiction.
Ah ok. I thought in freedomland it wouldn't be much different, but usually a missing person claim should be passed onto the missing persons division of the responsible police force with a unit like that. But if anyone says "nope, bye" you can always try somewhere else. Or Google it, or ask chat gpt.
Something similar happened to a coworker of mine a long time ago. This girl I used to work with, Adriana, her boyfriend, Christopher, called us at work one day one said that she went on vacation and she just never came back. It was a shame too because the guy died in a car crash like a year later. I saw it on the news.
“What are you cryin’ for?”
Who ish dish?
He's been sleeping on my couch, smoking weed all day. Plz take him back
This dude is playing 4D chess while we’re sitting here pulling on our puds
Who hasn't watched "Searching for Italy" and thought, "Yeah, Italy's fucking awesome! I could totally make it there!"?
eh, you can make it, but life's not that comfortable here
It's not bad if you have money. Southern Italy is getting pretty toasty, though.
“If you have money” really puts a shine on almost any place
Can you define that? For me, all I really care about is A/C and an internet connection
I once lived in Tokyo for three years, had both, after half a year I couldn’t wait to go home.
Are you a natural Hermit? I think I would love to live somewhere where I have minimal communication with everyone around me. I would also love to visit family and friends back home maybe once a year at most. I already kind of do that but at least I would have an excuse.
I’m not a party animal exactly but also not a hermit. The reason I wanted to go home was the racism and xenophobia of Japanese people (which mostly isn’t aggressive but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t grind you down over time)
On the other hand I think as a white guy, experiencing that kind of arrogance, unwarranted superiority of the majority race, while at the same time being able to find all the skeletons in the closet (because behind the nice veneer, Japan is quite the unrepairable mess) was very enlightening so I am glad I didn’t go home early.
It depends on where you want to live, Italy is VERY diverse for a country its size (it used to be multiple countries not that long ago, after all). I'm from the north.
The average salary is about 24-34k€ depending on latitude, but roughly one third of that goes into paycheck taxes before you even see it. A skilled professional can make up to double that, but that's not easy, and only in the north, where life is more expensive. All of this is excluding places like Milan, where everything is WAY more expensive.
Internet connections are a shot in the dark in rural areas sometimes you can get 250mbit, sometimes 0, I know of people who work from home with 30Mbit connections and it's painful.
Rent depends strongly on the location and the city, a 80m^2^ apartment in a secondary city is probably 800-1200€/month right now, that is why most people live with their parents until they get a stable relationship, as you need two incomes to afford a place to live usually. I spend about 100-200€/week for groceries for two adults, but we both make good money and I tend to buy expensive stuff.
Air conditioning is painful. My home isn't super modern, so insulation is what it is, I probably spend 800€/year in the summer for A/C, and the machine itself is 2 years old, so it's an efficient one. The one I replaced was even more expensive to run.
Technically you could “make it” anywhere.
My dad did this to an asshole client. Fucked his practice up lol.
A guy at work did something like that. Went on vacation for a week, just never returned. Didn't return phone calls or emails. Eventually he popped up on social media about 6 months later and some coworkers spotted him and got the story. If I remember correctly (which I may not), I think his girlfriend convinced him to stay, so he did, and he just ghosted his job.
That's the dream
moved to somewhere with healthcare instead of health control
I love that. You know what? I will have some meatloaf.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
I did something close to this, not as far as corsican though.
I booked a holiday for feb, and I gave my notice that my leaving would kick in just before.
I burned myself out at a startup about 20 years ago. Walked into my bosses office & told him I quit. Was on the other side of the planet a few days later. I did eventually return home though.
Or maybe he died.
I seriously almost did this. I visited the Netherlands, and fell absolutely head over heels for their way of life. It's so damn peaceful and free! You don't have to worry about getting shot when you're running errands. You don't have to worry about going bankrupt through medical expenses. You don't have to worry about going to jail over weed or mushrooms. You don't have to buy a car, because bicycling infrastructure and public transportation is AMAZING.
While I was there I met a lovely chap who is originally from England. He told me that he spent a holiday in Amsterdam, and broke his leg. So he stayed at the hospital, and afterwards, just didn't leave. He's been working/living there ever since.
When it came time for me to leave, I had accidentally missed my train, and it was going to be some extra money to switch around my flight/train to get back home, and a part of me was seriously considering just being like "fuck it" and staying. The only thing stopping me from moving there now is the knowledge that I'd have to continue paying taxes to the U.S. if I wanted to keep my citizenship while living and paying taxes in the Netherlands. 😑
If anyone can tell me a way around this... please do, because I want to move to the Netherlands.
I am Dutch but moved to England (for love) 16 years ago and I have never regretted it. Do it while you can, else you will just live with the regret. It is such a life experience moving countries, there is no way to describe it. The magical feeling that you have in the beginning does disappear a little over the years, but it never leaves completely. The memories you create are just so amazing that you will never lose the magical feeling entirely.
Just. Do. It.
Look at Foreign Earned Income Exclusion and Foreign Tax Credit
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