Really? No one's on the Tungsten train over here? Highest melting point of all metals. It's also called 'the devourer of tin'. Now that's metal for ya.
Yeah, and it's expensive because it's ...well, expensive. It's not any less abundant than some other metals or more difficult to extract. We just decided it's gonna be expensive
I mean, we didn't just arbitrarily decide that gold would be expensive, we decided it would be expensive because it's pretty. It seemed like a good idea a few thousand years ago.
You get a lot of it at sea. Not supposed to polish it off though, because the aluminum oxide acts as a barrier to further corrosion, whereas iron oxide flakes and continually exposes fresh surface.
It depends on what's in the warehouse. The only place I've seen significant aluminum corrosion was inside a vac frame hood with years of corrosive fumes in it. But, I'm sure there's a middle ground. Aluminum isn't inert, but it's better than raw iron at resisting corrosion.
Really depends on the grade of material. Aluminum has several different grades of varying hardness, ductility, resistance. Same as steel. Corrosion is the bane of most usable metals and industries are constantly researching methods to fight it
You should sneak into his garage in the night and sabotage all his aluminum ingots by hitting them with a hammer until they crack. When he tries to break into your garage to get revenge, he'll break his hammer and hurt his wrist because iron ingots are superior in strength. That'll show him.
You can get loads of pretty uranium colors in solution. I love me some chemistry, where the answer to the question "what color is it?" is preceded by "well it depends on the oxidation state..."
God damn rustcucks can't deal with their own inferiority. When's the last time you even used pure iron for something instead of alloy, you fucking loser.🤡
Use the right feeds, speeds and tools. Also there’s different types of aluminum alloys with different levels of machinability. If what you say were true there wouldn’t be so many machined aluminum parts in just about every project I’ve ever worked on
Wait huh? I managed to machine aluminium with the cutter going in reverse. It's basically shiny wood, it's so easy to machine. People do it all the time on hobby routers, no need for a knee mill or sth
Edit: you can even machine alu with wood routers lol. Use a copy head and it'll be as perfect as a CNC
aluminum actually corrodes quicker, but it oxidizes to a layer of aluminum oxide that seals out air and water, whereas iron has a permeable oxide that lets air and water get to the iron under the oxide. So in practice it doesn't rust nearly as fast as iron
The IUPAC can spell it how they like. But what is correct in language is determined by the way people use it, not whatever archaic rules your middleschool teacher told you (english) or some central authority publishes (looking at you French and Spanish).
A quick search of lemmy gives >75 pages of aluminum comments, and <35 pages of aluminium comments.
I'm sure that will change when American cultural hegemony fades, but for now, it is what it is.
Ah of course, the heavily American-centric forum is obviously the perfect way to prove the entirely American misspelling is the correct one /s
You can spell or pronounce Aluminium however you like, but there is only one internationally recognised spelling, and it's not "Aluminum"
Those "archaic rules" exist to standardise international science communication, not to make America feel better about its inability to standardise to save its life.
That may be their objective, but they've clearly failed and should be rewritten to reflect reality, evidenced by the fact that half of scientific journals use Aluminum.
Of course if you'd like to stick entirely with the academic prescriptions, you're free to not use "email" in French, singular they in English, AI instead of KI in Norwegian, or find a use for "coronabebe", a word that is only used by the Royal Spanish Academy and people mocking how detached they are.
That may be their objective, but they’ve clearly failed and should be rewritten to reflect reality, evidenced by the fact that half of scientific journals use Aluminum.
Once again - American journals.
You're downright ignorant to suggest that because one country refuses to follow an internationally agreed upon naming scheme it should be rewritten to suit you. That's the kind of logic that should come from a little kid, not a country.
Of course if you’d like to stick entirely with the academic prescriptions, you’re free to not use “email” in French, singular they in English, AI instead of KI in Norwegian [...]
I don't have enough context about all the examples you list to make an informed opinion of them, but I can certainly take a crack at a couple...
singular they in English
Singular they was historically discouraged in academic writing as it was seen as informal, but doesn't mean it was never acknowledged.
It has been used, just not widely - though with an academic swing towards gender-neutral language, it is seen as acceptable by most academic style guides...
However, in the scientific world you're not really supposed to refer to yourself personally in papers in the first place, so it's about as accepted as any other pronoun.
AI instead of KI in Norwegian
That's not just a Norwegian thing, it's a difference due to language.
AI is not an internationally standardised terminology, so of course different languages with different component words and/or grammar are going to end up with different acronyms.
For example, the Germans and Dutch also refer to it as KI (though in Dutch AI is also acceptable), and in Spain and France IA is the standard - that doesn't mean that academics wouldn't just agree on a term when working internationally.
......
As said before, I don't know enough about the other examples to make informed discussion of them, but the examples I do have context for do not fall in the same category as America outright refusing to use internationally agreed upon terminology.
In any case, I don't think you're going to be convinced by any of the words I'm saying, nor do I think I'll be convinced by anything you could say, so I'm going to leave this here before I throw too much time into an endless back and forth.
If we're going by the way people use it, both are correct, because loads of people use both. As your search demonstrates. American cultural hegemony has not erased other varieties of English
Yes if you're American or Canadian, no if you're British, Australian, or New Zealander, and other varieties of English I'm afraid I'm not sure about. If you speak a variety that doesn't pronounce a second i, you probably also spell it without a second i
yet another instance where American English decided to be different for the sake of it, without any rhyme or reason.
I actually read somewhere that lots of those instances were actually England deciding to be different so they could look down on "the colonies." The extra u in color and favorite, all those random e's, etc. were actually added later to look "old-timey."
Now, on a lazy Sunday afternoon, I can't be bothered to actually find a source, but I remember the source being trustworthy, so take that however you like.
In the early 1800s, a U.S. lexicographer and dictionary creator named Noah Webster decided that the United States of America should use different spellings than British English — ideally to make words shorter, simpler, and more logical.
In the 1806 and 1828 U.S. dictionaries that he published, Webster changed most of the “ou” British spellings of words to “o” — including turning “color” into “colour.” He also changed “flavour” to “flavor,” “rumour” to “rumor,” “honour” to “honor,” and many more. He argued that eliminating unnecessary letters (like that silent “u”) could save money on printing
The claim on England looking down on the colonies wouldn't check out of you consider that -or in favour of -our is only used in the US, none of the other former colonies (not even Canada).
You know, while sitting around avoiding work on a Monday, I remembered my source: some British dude living in the American Midwest talking about random words on YouTube (I think his channel is "Lost in the Pond" or something like that). The specifics he referenced were "axe/ax," "kerb/curb," and "tyre/tire." In each case, there was a settled spelling shared by British English and North American English (the latter of each pair), and for some reason England made up a new spelling or reverted to an even older spelling in the 19th century (Wikipedia source)
So I wasn't completely fabricating things, but it was much more specific than I remembered.
What, lightweight yet strong? Versatile? Yeah I guess it's like plastic, except the part where it's also infinitely recyclable. Just where do you get off on this aluminum hate???
These two clearly don't know about titanium.
A metal as hard as my heart
And fractures just as easily
Tungsten enters the chat
But it turns out to be too dense to follow along.
Until it meets some carbide…
And oceangate decided it's the best material for deep diving.
Fucker so hard no one wants to work with it.
Fuck off tittyboi
Steel is the king
That's just spiced iron
Laughs in tungsten
Steel is much stronger than titanium.
Titanium is a middle ground between steel and aluminum.
steel is an alloy
yes
I was kinda trolling
They're not Metals in the context of pure chemical elements
WRONG
Yes, you are.
You're permitted to believe so.
Thanks for allowing me to hold the correct view 🤷
very clearly the best metal is mercury because it's the only one you can drink at room temperature
Gallium wants a word.
you need your hvac serviced if your room is 85F
UNCOMFORTABLE
what's that in real units?
Don't know what you mean by real unit but here it is in a real non-integer base:
I mean si units
544.67 Rankine
I said REAL units
short-sleeve-shirt-and-shorts°
I'm sorry, are si units too much to ask for these days?
Eating Gallium is like eating M&M's.
Melts in your mouth, not in your hands.
but you can eat potassium at room temperature
big pop rock
Well I wanna drink a cold metal.
Really? No one's on the Tungsten train over here? Highest melting point of all metals. It's also called 'the devourer of tin'. Now that's metal for ya.
Tin will devour itself anyway
Only because it knows tungsten is out there lurking. Waiting. Hunting.
Tungsten gang represent
Highly recommend getting a tungsten cube. The density is surprising
I'm partial to titanium and nickel-chrome alloys. There's a reason they're named "super alloys"!
More of an Aluminium/Magnesium or Iron/Titanium alloy guy myself but you do you!
I only fly in airplanes made of 100% American steel.
Hey, Elon.
Got bored with twitter?
Don’t deadname X.
I still cringe at the "posted on x, formerly known as Twitter" wording everyone feels the need to use, even almost a year later.
I think we should all just call it Twitter and ignore the name change.
We should all just ignore the platform until doesn’t matter what it’s called anymore.
Replace the word “cringe” with “laugh”, and you’ve got my opinion.
I cringe at publications that have given in and call it X.
We're giving Twitter the name change respect Elon would give to any other thing or person that changed its name.
The true tossup is actually mercury or lead.
Both insanely useful metals with a massive variety of helpful traits.
And the universe made them poisonous to us as a big "FUCK YOU".
It's very annoying that gold is so expensive. Much less toxic and still has loads of great properties. It's just, you know, expensive.
Yeah, and it's expensive because it's ...well, expensive. It's not any less abundant than some other metals or more difficult to extract. We just decided it's gonna be expensive
I mean, we didn't just arbitrarily decide that gold would be expensive, we decided it would be expensive because it's pretty. It seemed like a good idea a few thousand years ago.
So a gold mine is both literal and figurative, eh?
There's also silver which is an off brand ripoff version of gold. It kind of sucks because it discolors and turns purple.
Amateurs! It's gotta be silver!
Until it oxidizes, and silver is a complete whore for oxygen.
Who isn't
I would suck AND blow so hard for some oxygen right now.
Helium. The very best gas in toon.
Fluorine. Fluorine is definitely oxygen's dom.
Great if you want to cosplay a smurf
It's a great heat conductor too
Iron and bronze have entire ages of history named after them, so…
This idiot forgot the beer can age
Beer cans have a plastic liner, otherwise the beer would eat through the aluminum.
Who gives a shit
Yeah but the iron age is more the iron alloy age, it just doesn't sound as cool.
Aluminum "rusts" as well. White rust. Aluminum oxide.
in fact, it rusts so fast, that it's pretty much impossible to get a "clean" aluminium surface while oxygen is around
They had to invent an entirely new style of welding to weld it correctly because it rusts so much you can't even melt it for welding reliably.
Stainless wire wheel
Then it just rusts again
Yeah. Shame we cant live in a vacuum
You also need both iron oxide and aluminum powder to make thermite. It's amazing what metal can achieve when it works together.
And if you combine that with magnesium powder, you can make a historic doping agent to coat your zeppelin with!
YOU ARE WRONG COLONEL SANDERS, MOMMA'S RIGHT
Yeah but like, in order to get significant amounts of it you gotta be in a relatively harsh environment.
You get a lot of it at sea. Not supposed to polish it off though, because the aluminum oxide acts as a barrier to further corrosion, whereas iron oxide flakes and continually exposes fresh surface.
Yeah I imagine you would. Salty water loves to eat things up.
Yeah that's true, metal to metal contacts can have some fun interactions.
Dunno how harsh a warehouse is. We used to get oxidized stuff for our presses a lot
It depends on what's in the warehouse. The only place I've seen significant aluminum corrosion was inside a vac frame hood with years of corrosive fumes in it. But, I'm sure there's a middle ground. Aluminum isn't inert, but it's better than raw iron at resisting corrosion.
Really depends on the grade of material. Aluminum has several different grades of varying hardness, ductility, resistance. Same as steel. Corrosion is the bane of most usable metals and industries are constantly researching methods to fight it
You should sneak into his garage in the night and sabotage all his aluminum ingots by hitting them with a hammer until they crack. When he tries to break into your garage to get revenge, he'll break his hammer and hurt his wrist because iron ingots are superior in strength. That'll show him.
Wouldn't they just bend? Aluminum is very flexible.
They'd bend a little but they would eventually crack if you bent them enough. Aluminum ingots don't bend like aluminum foil does.
Carbon is the best metal, ask any astrophysicist.
It’s been proven without a doubt that diamonds are the hardest metal of all time, if not just the hardest metal known to man.
Only for the best submarines.
I wanted to bring that joke );
Most chemists too, at least the good ones.
I'm a fan of nitrogen
Fuck you, titanium rules.
Titanium's fire, yo
Everyone knows Titanium is the best metal, fuck these nerds
Titanium is great up until you try to machine it. Now my boy platinum is where it's at.
You're doing it wrong then!
Gallium or bust.
It's not really useful but it looks cool and it'll eat away at both if their metals.
I feel like I hear about it all the time in advanced tech like batteries and semi-conductors.
or white then too huh?
Also LEDs and screens.
i like uranium better.
Cursed as fuck metal.
it's even glow in the dark!
Don't you be lying up in this thread! Uranium is very boring looking. Just another grey metal.
well yes but also uranium dissolved in glass is fluorescent
and uranium salts are bright yellow
You can get loads of pretty uranium colors in solution. I love me some chemistry, where the answer to the question "what color is it?" is preceded by "well it depends on the oxidation state..."
wouldn't that be postceded
The answer to the question is preceded by the phrase. Yeah, it was tricky grammar but I didn't feel like trying to come up with a more clear phrasing.
Anyway, as in "Well, that depends on the oxidation state. Aqueous +2 would give you..."
i mean technically, if you refine uranium into plutonium, and then isolate plutonium 238. It does glow.
but it glows in fallout );
plutonium 238 moment.
Why is nobody here for-copper?
Good copper?
Good copper, right?
Fooled by Ea-Nasir again
Because they'll just get told that all coppers are bastards.
MFs put up copper domes all over my native city in the 19th century, and now it’s all green domes.
looks iconic tho
They were here. And took it all.
Still the most normal conversation on 4chan
God damn rustcucks can't deal with their own inferiority. When's the last time you even used pure iron for something instead of alloy, you fucking loser.🤡
When have you used pure aluminium though
you literally can't survive without iron, noob
im going to call you a slur
Zinc is by FAR the best element. I also like Plutonium. It's just fun to say. Plutonium. How's your Plutonium? Good thank you.
Finally a relevant reason to post this instead of me just posting out of my love for zinc. https://youtu.be/U1iCZpFMYd0
Aluminum is great, until you want to machine it. Then it's a gummy piece of shit.
As far as machining goes, AL is easy mode compared to high carbon steels, tool steels, and inconels.
Inconel is an annoying cunt. Eats cutters and work hardens like a motherfucker.
Not if you know how to machine
Use the right feeds, speeds and tools. Also there’s different types of aluminum alloys with different levels of machinability. If what you say were true there wouldn’t be so many machined aluminum parts in just about every project I’ve ever worked on
No machine! ONLY MELT!
Wait huh? I managed to machine aluminium with the cutter going in reverse. It's basically shiny wood, it's so easy to machine. People do it all the time on hobby routers, no need for a knee mill or sth
Edit: you can even machine alu with wood routers lol. Use a copy head and it'll be as perfect as a CNC
I would listen to this person's extremely specific rant.
Aluminum has always been my favorite element and metal. I feel the urge to punch this anon in his aluminum-hating fuckface.
Aluminum is more common than iron on the Earth's crust. They're just jealous.
It's pronounced: Al-oom-in-ee-um
Aluminum is dollar store tin, fight me.
Sad to see so low level of intellect in the comment section; can't even spell the element aluminium correctly
It's aluminum in the US and aluminium everywhere else.
Kinda like the metric system
Iron is dogshit compared to aluminum
https://www.primaryconnections.org.au/themes/custom/connections/assets/SBR/data/Chem/sub/corrosion/corrosion.htm
aluminum actually corrodes quicker, but it oxidizes to a layer of aluminum oxide that seals out air and water, whereas iron has a permeable oxide that lets air and water get to the iron under the oxide. So in practice it doesn't rust nearly as fast as iron
Counterpoint for iron, stainless steal. Or 1014L (the L stands for lead) its .14% carbon and the lead makes it more dense and resistent to rust
Someone took my stainless steal, but at least they cleaned up after themselves
*stole
Stainless steel has been around only 110 years. Imagine not having it. Crazy.
Iron pillar of Dheli wants a word
Everyone knows magnesium is the superior metal.
Al i want yo know is how is it prnounced. Is the last i silent?
There is one i in Aluminum. It is not silent.
All the other elements use an i before the u. At some point we should fix the spelling: Helum, Sodum, Plutonum, etc
Oh, really?
The official IUPAC spelling is "Aluminium" - notice how there are two "I"s in there.
Since IUPAC is quite literally the international authority on chemical terminology, I'd suggest their spelling is the correct one.
If you want to spell it wrong, you do you, but don't act like it's the correct way to spell it.
The IUPAC can spell it how they like. But what is correct in language is determined by the way people use it, not whatever archaic rules your middleschool teacher told you (english) or some central authority publishes (looking at you French and Spanish).
A quick search of lemmy gives >75 pages of aluminum comments, and <35 pages of aluminium comments.
I'm sure that will change when American cultural hegemony fades, but for now, it is what it is.
Ah of course, the heavily American-centric forum is obviously the perfect way to prove the entirely American misspelling is the correct one /s
You can spell or pronounce Aluminium however you like, but there is only one internationally recognised spelling, and it's not "Aluminum"
Those "archaic rules" exist to standardise international science communication, not to make America feel better about its inability to standardise to save its life.
That may be their objective, but they've clearly failed and should be rewritten to reflect reality, evidenced by the fact that half of scientific journals use Aluminum.
Of course if you'd like to stick entirely with the academic prescriptions, you're free to not use "email" in French, singular they in English, AI instead of KI in Norwegian, or find a use for "coronabebe", a word that is only used by the Royal Spanish Academy and people mocking how detached they are.
Once again - American journals.
You're downright ignorant to suggest that because one country refuses to follow an internationally agreed upon naming scheme it should be rewritten to suit you. That's the kind of logic that should come from a little kid, not a country.
I don't have enough context about all the examples you list to make an informed opinion of them, but I can certainly take a crack at a couple...
Singular they was historically discouraged in academic writing as it was seen as informal, but doesn't mean it was never acknowledged.
It has been used, just not widely - though with an academic swing towards gender-neutral language, it is seen as acceptable by most academic style guides...
However, in the scientific world you're not really supposed to refer to yourself personally in papers in the first place, so it's about as accepted as any other pronoun.
That's not just a Norwegian thing, it's a difference due to language.
AI is not an internationally standardised terminology, so of course different languages with different component words and/or grammar are going to end up with different acronyms.
For example, the Germans and Dutch also refer to it as KI (though in Dutch AI is also acceptable), and in Spain and France IA is the standard - that doesn't mean that academics wouldn't just agree on a term when working internationally.
......
As said before, I don't know enough about the other examples to make informed discussion of them, but the examples I do have context for do not fall in the same category as America outright refusing to use internationally agreed upon terminology.
In any case, I don't think you're going to be convinced by any of the words I'm saying, nor do I think I'll be convinced by anything you could say, so I'm going to leave this here before I throw too much time into an endless back and forth.
If we're going by the way people use it, both are correct, because loads of people use both. As your search demonstrates. American cultural hegemony has not erased other varieties of English
It has also no erased other languages, many of which use (and pronounce) two i's.
Yes if you're American or Canadian, no if you're British, Australian, or New Zealander, and other varieties of English I'm afraid I'm not sure about. If you speak a variety that doesn't pronounce a second i, you probably also spell it without a second i
Not to mention many other languages that use two i's:
German, French: Aluminium Spanish, Portuguese: Aluminio Italian: Alluminio
Just to name a few.
'Aluminum' is just yet another instance where American English decided to be different for the sake of it, without any rhyme or reason.
The discoverer used both
I actually read somewhere that lots of those instances were actually England deciding to be different so they could look down on "the colonies." The extra u in color and favorite, all those random e's, etc. were actually added later to look "old-timey."
Now, on a lazy Sunday afternoon, I can't be bothered to actually find a source, but I remember the source being trustworthy, so take that however you like.
First source I could find:
https://drawingsof.com/color-or-colour/
The claim on England looking down on the colonies wouldn't check out of you consider that -or in favour of -our is only used in the US, none of the other former colonies (not even Canada).
There you go. That's what I get for trusting random bits of unsourced memory.
You know, while sitting around avoiding work on a Monday, I remembered my source: some British dude living in the American Midwest talking about random words on YouTube (I think his channel is "Lost in the Pond" or something like that). The specifics he referenced were "axe/ax," "kerb/curb," and "tyre/tire." In each case, there was a settled spelling shared by British English and North American English (the latter of each pair), and for some reason England made up a new spelling or reverted to an even older spelling in the 19th century (Wikipedia source)
So I wasn't completely fabricating things, but it was much more specific than I remembered.
In most cases, it is clearly pronounced.
brass is tha best change my mind
Copper 👀
I thought Ozzy was the best metal
Drafonforce
ON A COLD WINTERS MORNING
Amon Amarth
Uranium makes my bones pointy
Foiled again, drat
Mistborn moment
Aluminum might not be fun. Duralumin on the other hand, is a different story.
I hate aluminum too! It's the plastic of metals.
What, lightweight yet strong? Versatile? Yeah I guess it's like plastic, except the part where it's also infinitely recyclable. Just where do you get off on this aluminum hate???
I'm a welder. I've built and repaired copious amounts of aluminum projects. I hate it. Great material, nightmare to work with.
Frank Costanza?!
The only true festivus pole is an Aluminum one
Boron yo
https://youtu.be/sr0gNJ090JA