Unfortunately it doesn't take much of a leap to translate that into "Prop up this system which was shaped by boomers for decades just long enough for the boomers to enjoy their retirements."
No thanks. I'd rather the boomers are still alive to see what happens.
As an outsider I see another problem with most of the US political discussions here. You all say that the republicans are obviously worse, make memes about them to your dudes to laugh at them. Yet half of your country active voters are likely to vote for them, would probably be more if they weren't inherently apolitical.
This whole American political discourse seems more fit for /r/im14andimsmart because it's mostly shitting on your opponents despite the fact that after 12 of the 16 years(the whole generation) of the democrat presidents more people want to vote for the other party.
I find it weird how you guys just laugh and meme at that like it's non issue or just act as those people(hundreds of millions) are just stupid.
Everyone has picked their side and won't hear a damned thing wrong about them since that would make them also wrong and every American is 100% right about things they feel, cause that is what our media makes us feel. And also is inherently needed for a class of wealthy elites to pretend they know or care at all for any other group of people when taking power over them.
It's somewhat wrong to say "more" people want one side or the other since we still actually make it quite hard to vote and the rules on victory is convoluted in allowing unpopular (not majority of votes) victory in a political race.
Granted again there is lots of nuance in all of this and Republicans more sell a vibe than thought out ideas, that is usually based on a feeling of superiority that is not earned.
It's the end of an empire. We haven't been tending to the stalk and the central pillar of what makes us strong so it's coming down and things are just gonna be bad as people on all sides argue they know how to fly.
That they managed to convince so many people to completely vote against their own interests is a testament to the power of propaganda. And you don't have to be spiteful, stupid and/or uneducated to fall for propaganda, it helps a lot obviously, but there are still many progressive and/or smart people who fall for it as well.
The combination of spreading "alternate" facts through complicit mass media AND indifferent addictive social media is something that Goebbels could have only dreamt about.
To understand how people can become so misguided, I recommend reading or watching a few testimonies of people who lost a loved one to alternate fact rabbit holes. It's similar to losing a loved one to a cult, only now it's much more widespread than ever before. I did a quick search and found a testimony from an Irishman that is a good read:
https://old.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/171w3kb/my_dad_is_falling_down_a_farright_rabbit_hole/
And for people who did not fall for "alternate" facts propaganda, to put all this history and background into words is not easy, so it's easier and especially quicker to call people who have joined the far right cult, stupid and hateful. The cultists are stupid because they have fallen for the lies, and they are spiteful/hateful because hate is a large part of the far right cult. The far right cultists might not always have been stupid and hateful, but they sure are now.
Moonbats who promised something to an altar of Joe Stalin are a minority of leftists, including radical leftists such as most people here.
The right-wing nutcases are the hegemon. Those who aren't themselves that extreme at the very least enable them, if not passively want the same things.
Do Simpsons screenshots automatically get that font when you try to put the text on, or is it something that just everyone has decided to do across the board?
a viable left party will emerge when the republicans are long gone from politics, just the way the whigs went the way of the do do bird. i don't know why people can;t see this. it's a duopoly. everybody knows this. how can a viable third party exist in that format? yes, ranked choice voting would be ideal, but what if it never happens? vote blue no matter who until the choice becomes vote radical left no matter who. this is how you achieve change without resorting to violence.
Within the US' system of Liberal Democracy, the only parties that can afford campaigns are ones that can secure funding from the people and corporations with the most money.
Therefore, whichever party replaces the Republicans will be another right wing party.
The democrats in the US are the republicans of the 80s policy wise because the Overton Window has shifted way right due to 20 years of war and nationalism in our sports and media.
We have maybe a handful of soft left dems.
The republicans are now a full-on fascist cult with members of the old guard ditching the scene because of the craziness. The world better hope sane Americans keep his ass out of the White House, because if fascists get full control over the U.S Military and the weapons they now have, you'll see death on a scale that will make WWII seem like a minor hiccup.
As someone who has been following politics since the 90s, do you really believe the Democratic party of today is to the right of the Democratic party of 1996? I just completely disagree with that. The Democratic party today has way more progressive voices than it did back then, and the average politics of the party has obviously moved left over that time.
Your complaint is that it's not as far left as you want it to be, which is a completely different conversation.
And comparing today's Democratic party to the Republican party of the 80s demonstrates a fundamental unawareness of history.
So, in most political parlance, there's "to the left of" and "Left". "Left" generally refers to some general socialist, pro worker, anti established capital party where the exact specifics vary from region to region and don't matter for this conversation.
The Democrats are definitely to-the-left-of the Republican party, and they're definitely viable.
They are not Left though, because they favor policies typically associated with other political descriptors in other regions (I will use Liberal with no specific connotations), like a preference for things like tax rebates instead of entitlement programs. A Leftist solution to rising housing prices might be a government program to build more houses in urban areas, price caps, and government subsidies. A Liberal policy might give tax breaks to housing developers to use market forces to encourage them to increase supply, and tax rebates to certain groups to increase their effective purchasing power for housing.
That's why people say the US lacks a viable Left party. We have a viable party to-the-left-of the other viable party, but they are not "Left".
There is crossover, and these lines are not sharp.
A good example, and particular to this context, is how a leading Democratic proposal for instituting universal healthcare was to create a health insurance marketplace that the government would then put a public option into and subsidize for people in certain demographics, with a legal mandate for everyone to purchase or be provided with healthcare through said marketplace. The hope being that competition would increase efficiency and people would still have choice for their insurance if they wanted.
A Leftist solution would be to assert that everyone is now covered by government insurance and you can go to the doctor and the doctor can bill the government, who will handle various price negotiations as the defacto monopoly on paying for medicine. This would gut the medical insurance industry.
People who are unemployed should:
Be given a living wage from the government.
Be given subsidized food and housing as long as they can show they're looking for work.
The democrats actually trend left of major labor and social democratic parties around the world but why let actual policy comparison get in the way of the narrative?
The democrats actually trend left of major labor and social democratic parties around the world but why let actual policy comparison get in the way of the narrative?
It's like... most of the developed world outside of North America & Australia. Japan and SK's "left" ruling parties might both seem fascist in comparison to the US Democrats, and the UK's may be about on par if not worse, but the same can not be said about most of first-world Europe, or even Australia and Canada really. Even in many less developed countries – like Argentina, Syria, Palestine, and much of Africa – you'll generally find that the "left" parties are actually left, socialist or syndicalist or some other anti-capitalist, and not liberal. But I'd say developed countries are a lot more relevant to comparisons with American politics than ones which are not developed.
Yeah, in Europe there are also right wing parties and Nazis. Not sure how this would prove that Europe's left wing parties are not to the left of american Democrats, although very small.
The existing of more than 2 parties and the historical political tradition makes this quite a natural fact to be honest. Besides, a lot of left politics is anti-imperialist and it's hard to be left when you are governing an hegemonic country like US...
All in all though I would agree that the mainstream socdem parties in Europe are very similar to the Dems, also because of 30 years of influence, policies, pushes for "two party system to get stability" and so on.
I would like to see what exactly you're referring to. Outside of the UK and Japan/SK, there's not a whole lot of supposedly "leftist" parties which are right of America's Democrats when it comes to the developed world.
German Social Democrats are going anti-refugee, Melanchon is hardcore putin supporter on the grounds of realist geopolitical policy, which until it was useful to say America bad was rightly decried by the left as just a rhetorical justification for continued western imperialism, even breathe of gender neutral language use in most European countries and you'll be treated like a pariah if not outright accused of trying to destroy the culture, Greece's actual goddamn socialist party is one of the most corrupt organized parties in the world, the NDP in Canada are lead by a man who says all the right things until you ask him about that plain hijacking by a terrorist organization founded on the interests of a racist class of landed elites, Russia's still active communist party is a captured opposition for the fascist Putin regime, Erdogan's rise to power in Turkey was paved by how wildly islamophobic the system of secularism was that the social democratic party Ataturk founded lifted from France (remember the shitstorm over Burkinis?), and oh yeah, all over the english speaking world and in much of western europe the guillotine is regularly held up as a symbol of revolution of leftist power while everywhere else mostly recognizes it as the preferred means of criminal execution of the Nazis.
That doesn't necessarily make them less left than American Democrats. I mean many Democrats literally are supporting the genocide of countries some of those refugees may be coming from right now. Immigration policy & treatment of refugees, although having some correlations with the left-right divide in the modern day, don't wholly decide whether you're left or right.
Melanchon is hardcore putin supporter on the grounds of realist geopolitical policy,
Calling Melanchon right of the Democrats is certainly... something alright. He is literally a socialist, or borderline socialist depending on your view. Democrats don't even come near socialism. Having shitty views on international politics and diplomacy doesn't exactly qualify you as "less left".
even breathe of gender neutral language use in most European countries and you'll be treated like a pariah if not outright accused of trying to destroy the culture,
Based off of context I can only assume that you're referring to when people who have no idea about how linguistics works try to go to speakers of other languages and tell them to just chop off part of their grammar (in this case, noun class) because they think "grammatical gender" is actual gender, or that it's comparable to pronoun use in English. But regardless, language features on its own doesn't necessarily mean anything when it comes to political leanings, and you can find gender neutral language use all across Europe, even in comparatively backwards places like Italy (sorry Italians).
Greece's actual goddamn socialist party is one of the most corrupt organized parties in the world,
Greece itself is unfortunate in every meaning of the word, but being corrupt doesn't say anything about its political leanings.
the NDP in Canada are lead by a man who says all the right things until you ask him about that plain hijacking by a terrorist organization founded on the interests of a racist class of landed elites,
I don't get your point here. Although racism is usually right-wing, the lead guy being a racist doesn't change the fact that the NDP still favors far more leftist policies than the US democrats, including on peace, the environment, transportation infrastructure, and (obviously) healthcare. Half of the stuff that the NDP pushes for would be absolute crazy talk to US Democrats.
Russia's still active communist party is a captured opposition for the fascist Putin regime,
I wouldn't exactly call Russia a developed democracy, it's very clearly a far-right authoritarian country.
Erdogan's rise to power in Turkey was paved by how wildly islamophobic the system of secularism was that the social democratic party Ataturk founded lifted from France (remember the shitstorm over Burkinis?),
... secularism is islamophobic? Keeping religion out of government, including government buildings, isn't exactly right-wing, in fact I find it perfectly fits much of leftist thought throughout history. Keeping all religion out of government isn't "islamophobic", even in a majority muslim country.
and oh yeah, all over the english speaking world and in much of western europe the guillotine is regularly held up as a symbol of revolution of leftist power while everywhere else mostly recognizes it as the preferred means of criminal execution of the Nazis.
Not exactly sure how this is relevant as to whether or not the US Democrats are actually more leftist than real leftist parties.
Most of your arguments seem to be about nationality/religion, and while stance on things like immigration or Ukraine are relevant, they don't overshadow being a socialist, which US democrats are far from.
Democrats reject socialism, they fear being labelled a "communist", they don't like being "leftists". I find it silly comparing them to actual socialists or parties/people which border on being socialist, maybe with a few positions uncharacteristic for socialists but in general still being socialists, and then saying that the Democrats are more left-wing. I mean Biden literally said that he wouldn't sign a universal healthcare bill, he's giving Israel a ton of aid, he still fully supports capitalism even if he has made advancements on making corporations less powerful. He, and the institution he represents, are NOT leftist, even if we say position on healthcare is irrelevant and position on foreigners is very relevant.
It’s a variant of both sides bad, and if you get an honest answer it’s probably for Jill Stein. But the odds are it’ll just be a drive-by snark about biden committing the jenosides.
Block user is an available option, but only after you’ve had the pleasure of several essentially identical responses.
So . . . Republicans? That would be weird. Oh you mean no one. No one who’s in office. Right right. Well uh that’s not exactly true, there are office holders who support that. Aren’t there?
Is his administration talking directly with Netanyahu and telling them to stop it? (Can we at least agree Trump would not be, even doing the opposite?) Is it possible foreign relations is maybe more complex than a lightswitch for some reason? How does politics work, it sounds interesting.
Yep. But on the idea of the corruption alone the outcome is what benifites the individual politician.
There's things happening right now that the middle saying "both sides are the same" should be the least of anyone's worries. We're now not only making the right the enemy but we are now attacking the middle, which has pretty much zero power and hasn't done much of note to make everyone an enemy.
We need to stop focusing on what Joe Jackass thinks and believes and start to focus our hate on the government system itself. We're on the fast road to self destruction if everything is done out of hate and to stick it to' them'
I only ever see "both sides are the same" as a atrawman, here. I've never seen it presented genuinely, generally I see "I have issues with the Democrats" and the only response is either "but the other guys are worse" and "bOtH sIDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!"
ALMOST as if having an actual conversation about the problems people with the Democrats makes people uncomfortable.
The only things liberals know how to do are using whataboutism to deflect all criticism of the Democrats by talking about the Republicans, and doing genocide apologia.
The DNC has made it clear they're not interested in moving to the left and that they're perfectly happy gradually meandering further right. Sure, 30 million Democrats might see it differently but the people voting aren't actually in charge.
Leftists and progressives do not have the support of moderate and liberals. They made this clear in the 2020 primaries. Anyone to the left of Biden was too radical. Liberals and moderates made it clear again yesterday when they celebrated police breaking up the protestors. When Biden was asked if the protests have made him reevaluate his policies in Israel he simply said "No".
There's no room for us in the Democrat party so I'll be voting 3rd party.
Voting third party for president won't solve that problem, it will just help, in your case, a more right wing POTUS get into office, one who has proven to be especially dangerous to our democracy. It's a dumb idea because it's counter productive to your goals and virtually useless.
If you want better representation you'll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
You're trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
Voting third party for president won’t solve that problem
I'm aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
If you want better representation you’ll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don't show up. We're at an impasse.
You’re trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
Actually I think that's what you're doing. The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
I’m aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
Then it makes even less sense to vote for a third party because you know it doesn't do anything.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don’t show up. We’re at an impasse.
I'm not taking about the primary, i'm talking about how the vote is done. If we can get rid of fptp voting system, and replace it with something like star voting, then people are more free to vote for who they want instead of using reason and voting strategically. This is the way to increase the chances of getting more liberal people elected.
The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
By no stretch of the imagination did I even remotely suggest I get to choose who you vote for.
They will make an argument like my mom where they just think its all rigged anyway, and then vote for the firsf radical they see even if ifs Traitor Trump. You have to realize these people are not even slightly informee
Cool, one side is more to the left than the other side, so that makes them left. Comments like yours are both extremely fucking useless and getting old.
There's distinct flavors of liberalism in political science. For example in Classical Liberalism most modern conservatives are included because they want a democratic government.
That's kind of my point. Saying 'liberal just means not conservative' is so vague that it's effectively meaningless.
I also think it's done intentionally to normalize/consolidate voting patterns for a set of people who share very little actual views or policy goals and enforce a political binary. In that way I think it's worse than meaningless - it's actively harmful.
A lot of us speak colloqial, speaking colloquial is more common. You cannot enter a discourse held by laymen, assume and use academic definitions, and expect to be understood or agreed with
Maybe not if the definition is left assumed to be shared, but you'd think the layman may come to a richer understanding of meaning once presented with a precise distinction .
Neoliberalism is a far right ideology brought to mainstream politics by Ronald Reagan and Margret Thatcher. Later embraced by the most right wing of the american pseudo left like Clinton who abandoned their traditional union and grassroot support for the big banks and extra large corporate funding. This led to the embracement of neo conservativism by Newt Gingrich and the right in general to differentiate themselves from the new political shift from the pseudo left wings encroachment on their bread basket, the corporations. Enter the US downward spiral to our current political landscape as the neolibral wing marches ever right and the conservative wing courts the endless bag of batshit crazy.
Leftism is when you're in favor of a 3% increase in the marginal tax rate, an increase in the number of Pell Grants issued annually, and an expansion of eligibility for Medicaid under a new means testing regime..
What you're thinking of is the Far-Left, which is when you become an Authoritarian National Socialist and kill 6M Jews, like Joseph Stalin did when he illegally invaded Germany.
Its called Horseshoe Theory. And if you weren't so busy skipping classes to go protest Joe Biden, maybe you'd have learned about it.
I don't know how to tell you this but here goes. There are people who actually believe what they've said. It's not a modest proposal, it's Holocaust denial which is a central theme to modern fascists.
Oh, I wanted so much to be with you here, and bits of pieces of your comment are correct, but other bits and pieces are completely fucking insane, that makes me think you're an alien blob or an undertrained llm trying to mimic human political argument.
Stalin was so happy to be backstabbed by his Hitler friend, so he illegally (wtf is that, can you do it legally?) invaded Germany, starting from destroying Soviet critical infrastructure using German bombers
You're going to get downvoted, but You're not necessarily wrong. So often the Democrats take the "high road" and let Republicans walk all over them because the Republicans don't care about the rules or about decorum.
And Democrats are SO BAD AT MESSAGING. I mean my god, they should be shouting their successes each and every time they speak, but you really just don't hear it. And every new movement gets so easily misconstrued by Republicans because of the nature of how complex the ideas and solutions are, so actual intent gets lost in "defund the police" and "black lives matter" (both of which I wholly support, so don't come at me). Those phrases mean something extremely important, but it's too easy for Republicans to make them sound like they mean something bad.
And journalists don't care because controversy sells, not wins.
This has more to do with most media and social media being owned by billionaires putting their thumbs on the scales. They support certain social issues to seem leftist but they are all conservative financially and on anything that could affect their bank account. There is very little true left leaning media in America.
Making the case that the government needs to step in and take control of many if these issues, but Dems dont want that either because wE'rE a cApiTaLiSt nAtIoN.
And DtP and BLM could easily be advanced by simply posting videos everywhere of police brutalizing white people , because the right cheers when they see police brutalize blacks. Dems DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH
i agree with the rhetorical goals of this meme, but it does its job poorly.
some better options:
the right yawns when kids get shot
the left seeks to put in place bare minimum common sense gun laws
the left wants healthcare to be a human right
the right wants healthcare to be privatized for the benefit of investors
the right wants trans people, an incredibly small fraction of the population, to be harassed, abused, and murdered
the left doesn’t want that
the right is actively looking to get a national ban on abortion
the left supports a woman’s bodily autonomy, and recognizes that abortion can also be a life saving procedure but that such decisions should remain between a pregnant person and their doctor
and one very important and fucking atrocity of a similarity between the parties that will be used as a “gotcha” to “prove” all of the left/progressives are a poisoned well:
Republicans are Zionists and support an active genocide
Democrats are Zionists and support an active genocide
"Oh, you can see a well defined difference between the only two parties with a chance at winning an election in the US? I guess youre actually a Lib TM bc theres absolutely no way, none at all, that you might be anything left of center."
Also, you missed,
The left wants to fund the Ukranians fighting their sovereignty,
The right wants vlad the dictator to steamroll eastern europe bc daddy dump says hes big and strong unlike the clearly gencocidal nazi Volodomyr "no, i wont give u dirt on ur political opponents just for protecting my people, you imbecile" Zelenskyy.
Republicans are Zionists and support an active genocide
Democrats are Zionists and support an active genocide
"President Biden told the Israeli leader that airstrikes that killed aid workers were “unacceptable” and appeared to condition future support on how Israel changes course." https://archive.ph/t5tIi
these are true but facts picked in bad faith. biden has also said “I am a Zionist” and has shown no restraint in financially supporting the apartheid regime.
Yes, there is nuance and separation to the hows and the degrees of the Zionism and supprt for genocide. But neither side is anything less than culpable.
Those red and blue dots are damned close together for one guy that incited a coup, kept mein kampf on this nightstand writes love letters to Putin and IL.
Biden is nowhere near where I want him to be policy-wise, But to try to put them close together on social issues is disingenuous
The political compass site is far from scientific.
His use of federal death penalties that he did a record number of at the end of his presidential term as an attempt to raise support for his re-election using illegally supplied drugs that can't be used for that anymore.
To the point that part of his re-election campaign is still in death penalty but using firing squads or hanging as his alternative to lethal injection since they could be made public to scare citizens against acting out and again he accidentally helped make illegal the drugs he used in federal executions.
Don't bring black people into this. Obama chose Biden as his VP twice. Also, black people were key voters in winning Georgia, cementing Biden's victory. They obviously like him.
At least among non-white people, his approval has gone from 80% at the start of Biden's term to 46% now. So... he was popular with certain demographics before. Now he's not (except democrats, liberals, and postgraduates still have an approval rating above 50%). He has a higher approval rating from boomers than non-whites now.
The thing about approval ratings is, you may dislike a solution but favor it above others. I totally understand disliking Biden but still voting for him.
I think current polls are flawed and the people who "dislike" Biden will still vote for him. The public is fickle and enthusiasm will be determined by an event closer to the election.
At this point in the 2008 election, Obama and Hillary were neck and neck. John Edwards was still in the race for the Democratic nomination. Of course, Biden had not yet been nominated for VP. Literally ignore everything until late September.
One what? The left/right spectrum is a complex web of ideals. On the right you have consolidation of wealth and power and on the left you have egalitarianism (equally shared wealth and power).
The extreme right contains power structures like dictatorship, monarchism, and oligarchy.
The extreme left contains power structures like direct democracy, anarchism, and communism (lower-case C; inclusive of, but not limited to, Marxism).
There is no "leftist authoritarianism" - that's an oxymoron - authoritarianism in any form is nothing more than garden-variety rightism. Rightists appropriating leftist terminology to confuse and control the populace is a bog-standard rightist strategy. It's really that simple.
And where do you think, no access to free healthcare, no access to free education, legalized lobbying, criminalised prostitution, industrial military complex, for profit prison system, falls into that spectrum?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the democratic party is not about to change any of those.
Don't assign good boy and bad boy points to things like "everyone should have access to basic necessities" and "kill everyone with more melanin than me" at all.
That's how you end with the "Hitler was a centrist" bullshit PCM was selling.
Ew. No. I'd really rather they just be mulched.
Head removed and on a pike preferably, just to try to reduce prions in the soil and as a nice decorative piece.
"Biden is less authoritarian than Trump!" I cry as I'm dragged into the back of a police cruiser for criticizing Israeli. I'd go into further detail, but the police are currently gagging me, beating me with their batons, and harnessing me to the Palestinian Chair
Liberals use the Boogeyman of the ignorable "Russian troll" to protect themselves of criticism of the Democratic Party the same way the Republican Party uses "Youth Snowflake".
It's an easy out to pretend that anyone "reasonable" wouldn't say anything that makes you think the party isn't doing enough and hurts your sensibilities of good.
Once again the moderate upper middle class asking that nothing change until they are done being happy because it makes it easier to ignore the cries of those suffering.
Sway centrists? No, this is to make fun of their idiocy (or pretend centrism). If they would be swayed, living in a world where the issues in the panel are repeatedly thrown at them would have done it already. Those morons deserve nothing but ridicule.
I think its supposed to sway centrists to Republican.
I mean, revolting against the government is an age-old celebrated patriotic tradition. But a socialized medical system? Sounds like leftists want to turn us into Venezuela.
Some of us mean different shit. I think "both sides" have the same theory of governance - they agree about what they can control. There's no objective line either of them follow.
exactly, yet they copy paste this wall of text every single time, and refuse to answer questions or comments. literal refusal to engage with humans as individuals with positions meaning different shit—everyone is the same to them.
Annoying and irrelevant. Write a comment related to the text of the post or don’t comment at all if all you can do is make broad “typically”s and generalizations.
Cheered on by squatting, fake-Adidas-wearing troll farm shitheads in Krasnoyarsk with rotten teeth, meth-and-vodka wages, and no purpose existing but as parasites on the rest of humanity.
The fact that Democrats consider those bottom of the barrel plans from the open healthcare plans as replacement for Medicare just proves they want to dismantle real healthcare slowly. They are literally a worse version of private healthcare plans we already had.
I've seen the "both sides" phrase used to criticize leftists (e.g. people who voted for Bernie or Warren in the 2020 primaries) and moderates (e.g. people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries) so I don't really know what it means anymore.
Yeah... It's actually liberal moderates who think there's a difference between the 2 parties... Progressives (leftists) understand that both parties are working for the same corporate sponsors.
You mean the supermajority that was 72 working days?
I mean sure the party isn't so progressive. But "why didn't they fix X?" is a bit stale. Either way, FPtP sucks.
EDIT: just a trifecta is marred by senators like Manchin and Sinema, and things like filibusters may still be an issue (also something like universal healthcare would likely not be as simple as passing 1 bill with a simple majority)
I've never seen anyone say both sides are the same. I've seen people dismiss any and all criticism of Democrats as both-sidesism, I see that a lot. It's social media's favorite strawman.
I've seen a lot of criticism of Democrats that obviously implies both sides are equally bad, I've seen plenty of plainly stated "both sides are the same", and I've even seen a couple of "Biden is worse than Trump" ultra-tankie takes.
"Both sides" in the context of this meme is about the mainstream, Dems and repubs. Horseshoe theory is about the fringe. You don't see similarities between Nazis and tankies?
I've seen it, but its extremely rare compared to the number of times people on this platform accuse someone of saying that because they say something like "I'm not voting for anyone who knowingly gives weapons to other countries to commit genocide."
I do, on the grounds that they both care jack shit about people, aren't accountable to people and don't represent people's interest. They are two sports teams, both playing the same game of pretending people have a choice, even when the choice is between bad and worse.
Once you start to squint, it becomes incredibly obvious that one really is worse than bad. This is still a nuance that is only there to force people to vote lesser evil instead of solutions.
Are they the "same" same? No. Indistinguishably same? No. Still, they're two, say, basketball teams in a system that brainwashed people to vote for the best basketball team to determine who's gonna be rowing the country back to normalcy. How voting for the best rowers is somehow just not an option never ceases to fascinate me, but, apparently, they're bad at basketball, and another one is even worse, so what do I know?
They're not on the right.... They're aggressive capitalists. They want you to have healthcare that you pay for.
They want someone to make a profit off of it. If it's socialized "single payer" healthcare like other first world countries, then "the government" will have nearly unlimited power to basically dictate what procedures cost, which will impact the profits of private hospitals, doctors, etc. (Nurses get fucked regardless for wages, so I'm not going to touch that topic).
The whole healthcare machine, the one that "provides" healthcare as a means to make profit, would basically collapse under a single payer healthcare system. Getting a government funded system, like "Obamacare" in the mix is a "slippery slope" towards a single payer system, which the ruling class would "suffer" for since they have a nontrivial amount of money tied up in investments with insurance, hospitals, etc. And all those dividends would evaporate if the system even slightly went towards a single payer system.
The ruling class has convinced their brain-dead followers that "the libs" want them to pay for other people's healthcare, and thus those people don't pay for their own, except they do. And the "what do I get out of it" mentality kicks into high gear to basically turn them against the idea of helping anyone, at any time, for any reason.
An actual conservative would be asking about how to fund such a system, so that the budget doesn't fly out of control due to unchecked healthcare spending. A liberal would say to go ahead and give it to everyone and we'll figure out the details on how to pay it later. People need it now and they're suffering without it, so let's put everyone on the same playing field first.
A communist would want the entire system to be annexed, owned, and operated by the state/government, which is acting on behalf of and in the best interest of the people, spoiler for the Americans, you elect your government, they don't act in your best interest; they act in the best interest of whomever is paying them the most, aka, the rulers of the USA, who are aggressively capitalist because it's made each and every one of them rich beyond anyone's imagining.
The whole thing is stupid. The people on the right have their heads shoved so far up the assess of people who don't give any shits about them, that they haven't seen daylight in years. They're constantly rage baited into thinking that someone is going to get a leg up on them because of some handout, whether it's a real cash handout or just one that they think is a handout.
Everyone else is looking for basic fucking rights to live and continue to exist with all the rights and freedoms as everybody. Then bodily autonomy gets ripped away from anyone with a uterus, and if you want to get married, it has to be to someone whom the state deems is an appropriate person for you to marry. If you want to parade down the boardwalk showing pride in who you are, well, that's not right, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!11
I'm tired of hearing about these douchebags that only give a shit about something if some rich asshole tells them to. If you're a conservative, ask yourself, what fucking business is it of yours to tell someone else who they can love? What fucking problem do you have with your neighbor getting "free" treatment for their possibly fatal medical issues? If it's only because someone told you to give a shit about it, maybe rethink your entire life because nobody on the other side is saying you can't get married to whom you love, or get medical care, paid or not, to take care of yourself when you're diagnosed with stage four cancer, Sarah. Go fuck yourself and stop trying to fuck everyone else with your pathetic self absorbed bullshit.
I've been having a rough week. I apologized for swearing so much.
Bro real shit just don't pay your medical bills. They literally cannot make you pay them, and they are used to insurance companies not paying the full price, so they are already prepared to write it off as a tax loss. You give everyone free healthcare and people will be going to the ER for allergies and it will slow down the entire medical system. You needn't look farther than Canada.
At least this way everyone can be seen in a timely manner
But in my experience they won't. I've actually done that several times and it was fine. Even so, my credit rating is considered "Excellent" by all the bureaus.
Let's be real here: the entire US government is supporting a genocide in Gaza. Trying to make it out to be a problem only on the left feels incredibly dishonest.
Oh it's not a problem with the left, it's a political party thing. And they are the ones in charge, the ones in control of the State Department and Pentagon Leahy processes. Congress can pass whatever it wants, unless it passes a repeal of Leahy with a veto proof majority, the administration has very solid ground to stand on. They just refuse to do so.
Can we stop with these unfunny strawman arguments. This echo chamber crap regardless of your left or right, y'all do the exact same memes and none are ever as witty or funny as the creator thinks.
Ah yes the down votes. This is why we can't have nice things. Continue the circle jerk in the echo chamber, I'm sure it'll definitely make a difference as opposed to discussions and change.
Are Democrats "the left" for you? If anything, they are the center, even more right than left.
The Democrats are closer to the Republicans than they are to the actual left.
SO, if anyone is saying that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans, it should be the actual leftists and the communists instead of the centrists.
I think the center is actually saying "yes, we need more social policies but let's not jump into communism and '0h work week' anti-work shit please". That's it.
I'm pretty sure 90% of centrists would agree with universal Healthcare. I'm not even sure what's the point of this meme. "If you're not with me, you're against me" kind of fallacy? OK.
The terms "left" and "right" are being used relatively in this context. Not that you'd understand that nuance if it hit you upside your head, seeing as you have exactly zero idea what an American moderate thinks like. They might say that shit, but as soon as they hear their taxes or gas prices go up they cower away
I think the center is actually saying “yes, we need more social policies but let’s not jump into communism and ‘0h work week’ anti-work shit please”. That’s it.
There are zero Democrats advocating for communism and 0h work weeks, so that doesn't really make sense
They want you to have paid healthcare to protect their lobbyists' profits.
Unless you fall under medicare or medicaid, have fun paying insane insurance costs to cover your medical bills because the "left" is too busy using all their budget to fund a genocide.
Christ. Let go of the fucking j6 shit. It won't win you anything. You can't use something that only you see as a lever. It's just a plank of wood with no fulcrum.
"Both sides" has to do with theory of power. They have different policies, but both think they own us all the same.
2020 Election was clearly stolen. Calling J6 a "coup" or "insurrection" is the hoax of the century. Just look at the footage they don't want you to see of DC police escorting Jacob Chansley through the building. Or Ray Epps shouting, "We need to go IN to the capital." And running free while thousands are locked up as political prisoners.
Let's just completely forget about the "Summer of love" in 2020 with all of the "mostly peaceful protests" and George Soros attorneys refusing to prosecute while innocent people are killed, and buildings burned and looted all over the country.
Healthcare
When we decided to subsidize education with tax dollars prices skyrocketed, and quality went down.
Same story with Healthcare. Both are bureaucratic nightmares.
Both sides are the same
The House voted on Wednesday to pass the bipartisan Antisemitism Awareness Act. Completely gutting your 1st Amendment freedom of speech. The House vote was 320 to 91 with 70 Democrats and 21 Republicans voting against the bill. The politicians in this country are openly betraying you. It doesn't matter left or right. They're not working for you. They're bought and paid for by lobbying money.
There used to be a barrier to entry. You needed to have a computer, which was an expensive piece of equipment for most homes. You needed to be able to configure it, and that took knowledge. Some idiot would have to make a webpage, and then some other idiot would have to find it, both things were surprisingly difficult.
You are the embodiment of everything that is and had ever been wrong with this country. Your ideological forebearers were always the bad guys and the losers, and you will join them.
I don't like memes like this because they are easily dismissed, since the left absolutely has problems, and it's not just "we want healthcare"
However, the truth is, for all the faults the left has, they pale in comparison to the right wing batshittery.
Sometimes the best you can hope for is things only getting a little worse
Unfortunately it doesn't take much of a leap to translate that into "Prop up this system which was shaped by boomers for decades just long enough for the boomers to enjoy their retirements."
No thanks. I'd rather the boomers are still alive to see what happens.
The USA has a left party?
As an outsider I see another problem with most of the US political discussions here. You all say that the republicans are obviously worse, make memes about them to your dudes to laugh at them. Yet half of your country active voters are likely to vote for them, would probably be more if they weren't inherently apolitical.
This whole American political discourse seems more fit for /r/im14andimsmart because it's mostly shitting on your opponents despite the fact that after 12 of the 16 years(the whole generation) of the democrat presidents more people want to vote for the other party.
I find it weird how you guys just laugh and meme at that like it's non issue or just act as those people(hundreds of millions) are just stupid.
Everyone has picked their side and won't hear a damned thing wrong about them since that would make them also wrong and every American is 100% right about things they feel, cause that is what our media makes us feel. And also is inherently needed for a class of wealthy elites to pretend they know or care at all for any other group of people when taking power over them.
It's somewhat wrong to say "more" people want one side or the other since we still actually make it quite hard to vote and the rules on victory is convoluted in allowing unpopular (not majority of votes) victory in a political race.
Granted again there is lots of nuance in all of this and Republicans more sell a vibe than thought out ideas, that is usually based on a feeling of superiority that is not earned.
It's the end of an empire. We haven't been tending to the stalk and the central pillar of what makes us strong so it's coming down and things are just gonna be bad as people on all sides argue they know how to fly.
That they managed to convince so many people to completely vote against their own interests is a testament to the power of propaganda. And you don't have to be spiteful, stupid and/or uneducated to fall for propaganda, it helps a lot obviously, but there are still many progressive and/or smart people who fall for it as well.
The combination of spreading "alternate" facts through complicit mass media AND indifferent addictive social media is something that Goebbels could have only dreamt about.
To understand how people can become so misguided, I recommend reading or watching a few testimonies of people who lost a loved one to alternate fact rabbit holes. It's similar to losing a loved one to a cult, only now it's much more widespread than ever before. I did a quick search and found a testimony from an Irishman that is a good read: https://old.reddit.com/r/ireland/comments/171w3kb/my_dad_is_falling_down_a_farright_rabbit_hole/
And for people who did not fall for "alternate" facts propaganda, to put all this history and background into words is not easy, so it's easier and especially quicker to call people who have joined the far right cult, stupid and hateful. The cultists are stupid because they have fallen for the lies, and they are spiteful/hateful because hate is a large part of the far right cult. The far right cultists might not always have been stupid and hateful, but they sure are now.
Moonbats who promised something to an altar of Joe Stalin are a minority of leftists, including radical leftists such as most people here.
The right-wing nutcases are the hegemon. Those who aren't themselves that extreme at the very least enable them, if not passively want the same things.
The comparison is such bad faith I wonder if a conservative threw it out there.
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Do Simpsons screenshots automatically get that font when you try to put the text on, or is it something that just everyone has decided to do across the board?
Most people get these images from frinkiac.com and that site uses a font called Akbar.
The same people also run morbotron.com for Futurama and masterofallscience.com for Rick and Morty.
Named after Akbar of Akbar and Jeff, I assume.
Is that not the Simpsons font?
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Too bad USA doesn't have a viable left party
Hard to have a left party when we're making new grounds of what a right-wing party can look like.
a viable left party will emerge when the republicans are long gone from politics, just the way the whigs went the way of the do do bird. i don't know why people can;t see this. it's a duopoly. everybody knows this. how can a viable third party exist in that format? yes, ranked choice voting would be ideal, but what if it never happens? vote blue no matter who until the choice becomes vote radical left no matter who. this is how you achieve change without resorting to violence.
That isn't true, actually.
Within the US' system of Liberal Democracy, the only parties that can afford campaigns are ones that can secure funding from the people and corporations with the most money.
Therefore, whichever party replaces the Republicans will be another right wing party.
Change comes from outside pressure.
You do not think that democrats are not left? Or that they are not viable?
The democrats in the US are the republicans of the 80s policy wise because the Overton Window has shifted way right due to 20 years of war and nationalism in our sports and media.
We have maybe a handful of soft left dems.
The republicans are now a full-on fascist cult with members of the old guard ditching the scene because of the craziness. The world better hope sane Americans keep his ass out of the White House, because if fascists get full control over the U.S Military and the weapons they now have, you'll see death on a scale that will make WWII seem like a minor hiccup.
As someone who has been following politics since the 90s, do you really believe the Democratic party of today is to the right of the Democratic party of 1996? I just completely disagree with that. The Democratic party today has way more progressive voices than it did back then, and the average politics of the party has obviously moved left over that time.
Your complaint is that it's not as far left as you want it to be, which is a completely different conversation.
And comparing today's Democratic party to the Republican party of the 80s demonstrates a fundamental unawareness of history.
Democrats in 1996 believed black children were super soldiers incapable of feeling pain.
Anybody who says the Democrats have shifted rightward has one legitimate excuse for thinking so: they are 12.
Most people here seem to be kids, tbf
So, in most political parlance, there's "to the left of" and "Left". "Left" generally refers to some general socialist, pro worker, anti established capital party where the exact specifics vary from region to region and don't matter for this conversation.
The Democrats are definitely to-the-left-of the Republican party, and they're definitely viable.
They are not Left though, because they favor policies typically associated with other political descriptors in other regions (I will use Liberal with no specific connotations), like a preference for things like tax rebates instead of entitlement programs. A Leftist solution to rising housing prices might be a government program to build more houses in urban areas, price caps, and government subsidies. A Liberal policy might give tax breaks to housing developers to use market forces to encourage them to increase supply, and tax rebates to certain groups to increase their effective purchasing power for housing.
That's why people say the US lacks a viable Left party. We have a viable party to-the-left-of the other viable party, but they are not "Left".
There is crossover, and these lines are not sharp.
A good example, and particular to this context, is how a leading Democratic proposal for instituting universal healthcare was to create a health insurance marketplace that the government would then put a public option into and subsidize for people in certain demographics, with a legal mandate for everyone to purchase or be provided with healthcare through said marketplace. The hope being that competition would increase efficiency and people would still have choice for their insurance if they wanted.
A Leftist solution would be to assert that everyone is now covered by government insurance and you can go to the doctor and the doctor can bill the government, who will handle various price negotiations as the defacto monopoly on paying for medicine. This would gut the medical insurance industry.
People who are unemployed should:
Left, Liberal, Right.
If the US political parties joined the international stage --
Republicans would be in extremist far right. Democrats are right or centered.
Bernie Sanders (who is democrat only because there's no "left") would be left, for pushing for things like 4-day workweek, etc.
They're no where near left compared with other countries: the US Democrats are centre-right.
Bernie Sanders is the only one I know of who's actually left-wing.
This is because US politics' overton window has shifted right since the 1980s. And will likely remain that way for the foreseeable future.
The democrats actually trend left of major labor and social democratic parties around the world but why let actual policy comparison get in the way of the narrative?
Why make original comments when you can just spam the same garbage over and over?
I could ask "BeRnIe WoUlDa BeEn A rIgHt WiNgEr In YuRoP" spammers the same thing, and with far more counts to answer for.
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Lmao.
In any other nation, they're far-right.
Edit: Amerikkka is the only nation, apparently
Interesting. Which "other nation" has a party the is left enough for you and regularly hold power?
What are you trying to say? That anytime a country gets too far left for business interests a certain country throws a coup party?
Vietnam
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The democrats actually trend left of major labor and social democratic parties around the world but why let actual policy comparison get in the way of the narrative?
TFW Europe doesn't exist
Europe =/= whole world
Shocking, I know
It's like... most of the developed world outside of North America & Australia. Japan and SK's "left" ruling parties might both seem fascist in comparison to the US Democrats, and the UK's may be about on par if not worse, but the same can not be said about most of first-world Europe, or even Australia and Canada really. Even in many less developed countries – like Argentina, Syria, Palestine, and much of Africa – you'll generally find that the "left" parties are actually left, socialist or syndicalist or some other anti-capitalist, and not liberal. But I'd say developed countries are a lot more relevant to comparisons with American politics than ones which are not developed.
China, India, Saudi Arabia? Russia?
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Yeah, in Europe there are also right wing parties and Nazis. Not sure how this would prove that Europe's left wing parties are not to the left of american Democrats, although very small. The existing of more than 2 parties and the historical political tradition makes this quite a natural fact to be honest. Besides, a lot of left politics is anti-imperialist and it's hard to be left when you are governing an hegemonic country like US...
All in all though I would agree that the mainstream socdem parties in Europe are very similar to the Dems, also because of 30 years of influence, policies, pushes for "two party system to get stability" and so on.
I would like to see what exactly you're referring to. Outside of the UK and Japan/SK, there's not a whole lot of supposedly "leftist" parties which are right of America's Democrats when it comes to the developed world.
German Social Democrats are going anti-refugee, Melanchon is hardcore putin supporter on the grounds of realist geopolitical policy, which until it was useful to say America bad was rightly decried by the left as just a rhetorical justification for continued western imperialism, even breathe of gender neutral language use in most European countries and you'll be treated like a pariah if not outright accused of trying to destroy the culture, Greece's actual goddamn socialist party is one of the most corrupt organized parties in the world, the NDP in Canada are lead by a man who says all the right things until you ask him about that plain hijacking by a terrorist organization founded on the interests of a racist class of landed elites, Russia's still active communist party is a captured opposition for the fascist Putin regime, Erdogan's rise to power in Turkey was paved by how wildly islamophobic the system of secularism was that the social democratic party Ataturk founded lifted from France (remember the shitstorm over Burkinis?), and oh yeah, all over the english speaking world and in much of western europe the guillotine is regularly held up as a symbol of revolution of leftist power while everywhere else mostly recognizes it as the preferred means of criminal execution of the Nazis.
That doesn't necessarily make them less left than American Democrats. I mean many Democrats literally are supporting the genocide of countries some of those refugees may be coming from right now. Immigration policy & treatment of refugees, although having some correlations with the left-right divide in the modern day, don't wholly decide whether you're left or right.
Calling Melanchon right of the Democrats is certainly... something alright. He is literally a socialist, or borderline socialist depending on your view. Democrats don't even come near socialism. Having shitty views on international politics and diplomacy doesn't exactly qualify you as "less left".
Based off of context I can only assume that you're referring to when people who have no idea about how linguistics works try to go to speakers of other languages and tell them to just chop off part of their grammar (in this case, noun class) because they think "grammatical gender" is actual gender, or that it's comparable to pronoun use in English. But regardless, language features on its own doesn't necessarily mean anything when it comes to political leanings, and you can find gender neutral language use all across Europe, even in comparatively backwards places like Italy (sorry Italians).
Greece itself is unfortunate in every meaning of the word, but being corrupt doesn't say anything about its political leanings.
I don't get your point here. Although racism is usually right-wing, the lead guy being a racist doesn't change the fact that the NDP still favors far more leftist policies than the US democrats, including on peace, the environment, transportation infrastructure, and (obviously) healthcare. Half of the stuff that the NDP pushes for would be absolute crazy talk to US Democrats.
I wouldn't exactly call Russia a developed democracy, it's very clearly a far-right authoritarian country.
... secularism is islamophobic? Keeping religion out of government, including government buildings, isn't exactly right-wing, in fact I find it perfectly fits much of leftist thought throughout history. Keeping all religion out of government isn't "islamophobic", even in a majority muslim country.
Not exactly sure how this is relevant as to whether or not the US Democrats are actually more leftist than real leftist parties.
Most of your arguments seem to be about nationality/religion, and while stance on things like immigration or Ukraine are relevant, they don't overshadow being a socialist, which US democrats are far from.
Democrats reject socialism, they fear being labelled a "communist", they don't like being "leftists". I find it silly comparing them to actual socialists or parties/people which border on being socialist, maybe with a few positions uncharacteristic for socialists but in general still being socialists, and then saying that the Democrats are more left-wing. I mean Biden literally said that he wouldn't sign a universal healthcare bill, he's giving Israel a ton of aid, he still fully supports capitalism even if he has made advancements on making corporations less powerful. He, and the institution he represents, are NOT leftist, even if we say position on healthcare is irrelevant and position on foreigners is very relevant.
Man that's just a whole wall of someone who'd definitely respond to someone mentioning Roma folks with "That's different they deserve it!"
It’s a variant of both sides bad, and if you get an honest answer it’s probably for Jill Stein. But the odds are it’ll just be a drive-by snark about biden committing the jenosides.
Block user is an available option, but only after you’ve had the pleasure of several essentially identical responses.
It’s a serious point though. Things like public ownership of utilities or a wealth tax aren’t supported by the vast majority of Dems.
Who are the vast majority that support it?
So . . . Republicans? That would be weird. Oh you mean no one. No one who’s in office. Right right. Well uh that’s not exactly true, there are office holders who support that. Aren’t there?
First I've heard of it.
That biden committed? Yeah. Again.
Yeah his adminstration is arming and providing UN cover for Israel so yeah if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck, it's genocide.
Is his administration talking directly with Netanyahu and telling them to stop it? (Can we at least agree Trump would not be, even doing the opposite?) Is it possible foreign relations is maybe more complex than a lightswitch for some reason? How does politics work, it sounds interesting.
Genocide is a complex foreign relations issue, got it.
Both sides are corrupt, not "the same"
And not the same corrupt, and that corruption doesn't mean they deliver the exact same outcome.
Yep. But on the idea of the corruption alone the outcome is what benifites the individual politician.
There's things happening right now that the middle saying "both sides are the same" should be the least of anyone's worries. We're now not only making the right the enemy but we are now attacking the middle, which has pretty much zero power and hasn't done much of note to make everyone an enemy.
We need to stop focusing on what Joe Jackass thinks and believes and start to focus our hate on the government system itself. We're on the fast road to self destruction if everything is done out of hate and to stick it to' them'
One side is more corrupt than the other.
Which side that is, I leave as an exercise to the reader. But I assure you one side is worse, and that means we have to vote for the other side.
Corruption is OK as long as one is the lesser of two evils.
If there was actual left, there would be health care already. Instead there are billionaires.
Liberals aren't left. You guys have far right and neolib mid-right
I only ever see "both sides are the same" as a atrawman, here. I've never seen it presented genuinely, generally I see "I have issues with the Democrats" and the only response is either "but the other guys are worse" and "bOtH sIDeS aRe ThE sAmE!!"
ALMOST as if having an actual conversation about the problems people with the Democrats makes people uncomfortable.
The only things liberals know how to do are using whataboutism to deflect all criticism of the Democrats by talking about the Republicans, and doing genocide apologia.
If you really want to change the party, JOIN it, convince like-minded people to join, and start changing it from the inside.
You know, like the way Trump and MAGA changed the Republicans.
The DNC has made it clear they're not interested in moving to the left and that they're perfectly happy gradually meandering further right. Sure, 30 million Democrats might see it differently but the people voting aren't actually in charge.
I've been doing that for 20 years. Between that and spit in my hand at least the hand with spit has something to show for the effort.
MAGA had the support of moderate Republicans.
Leftists and progressives do not have the support of moderate and liberals. They made this clear in the 2020 primaries. Anyone to the left of Biden was too radical. Liberals and moderates made it clear again yesterday when they celebrated police breaking up the protestors. When Biden was asked if the protests have made him reevaluate his policies in Israel he simply said "No".
There's no room for us in the Democrat party so I'll be voting 3rd party.
Voting third party for president won't solve that problem, it will just help, in your case, a more right wing POTUS get into office, one who has proven to be especially dangerous to our democracy. It's a dumb idea because it's counter productive to your goals and virtually useless.
If you want better representation you'll have to work from the ground up by getting people into office that will move to end fptp voting.
You're trying to play the game with the rules you want it to have, not with the rules it actually has.
I'm aware I have no way of solving this problem. Never claimed otherwise.
Even if progressives and leftists managed to get a halfway decent candidate through the primaries all that would happen is that liberals and moderates would be the ones who vote Republican, vote 3rd party or don't show up. We're at an impasse.
Actually I think that's what you're doing. The rules that it has are I get to choose who I vote for. Not you.
Then it makes even less sense to vote for a third party because you know it doesn't do anything.
I'm not taking about the primary, i'm talking about how the vote is done. If we can get rid of fptp voting system, and replace it with something like star voting, then people are more free to vote for who they want instead of using reason and voting strategically. This is the way to increase the chances of getting more liberal people elected.
By no stretch of the imagination did I even remotely suggest I get to choose who you vote for.
I can stay home if that would make you feel better?
Never going to happen with the kind of candidates who make it through the primaries.
Ok then accept I'm going to vote 3rd party and stop trying to convince me to do something else.
They will make an argument like my mom where they just think its all rigged anyway, and then vote for the firsf radical they see even if ifs Traitor Trump. You have to realize these people are not even slightly informee
Cool, one side is more to the left than the other side, so that makes them left. Comments like yours are both extremely fucking useless and getting old.
Liberal just means not conservative. There is no monolithic body called "the liberals" whose beliefs are all alike. It's a spectrum.
It's frankly incredible how often this needs to be stated.
Liberal has a very specific definition that's used in polysci.
There's distinct flavors of liberalism in political science. For example in Classical Liberalism most modern conservatives are included because they want a democratic government.
That's kind of my point. Saying 'liberal just means not conservative' is so vague that it's effectively meaningless.
I also think it's done intentionally to normalize/consolidate voting patterns for a set of people who share very little actual views or policy goals and enforce a political binary. In that way I think it's worse than meaningless - it's actively harmful.
Both parties engage in this word play. It's about creating a team mentality.
Well as long as you're aware of the coercion
A lot of us speak colloqial, speaking colloquial is more common. You cannot enter a discourse held by laymen, assume and use academic definitions, and expect to be understood or agreed with
Much of the English speaking world uses liberal to mean its formal definition, for example, the Liberal Democratic Party in the UK.
Maybe not if the definition is left assumed to be shared, but you'd think the layman may come to a richer understanding of meaning once presented with a precise distinction .
All peolpe who say all liberals aren't left are idiots who like to lump everyone into one box to make their point.
Neoliberalism is a far right ideology brought to mainstream politics by Ronald Reagan and Margret Thatcher. Later embraced by the most right wing of the american pseudo left like Clinton who abandoned their traditional union and grassroot support for the big banks and extra large corporate funding. This led to the embracement of neo conservativism by Newt Gingrich and the right in general to differentiate themselves from the new political shift from the pseudo left wings encroachment on their bread basket, the corporations. Enter the US downward spiral to our current political landscape as the neolibral wing marches ever right and the conservative wing courts the endless bag of batshit crazy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoliberalism
Just because the word has the root liber in it does not make it left on a political spectrum.
Liberalism is pro-Capitalist, it was only ever considered left wing when it was revolutionary, ie in feudalism.
In the modern, Capitalist and Imperialist era, Liberalism supports the status quo and is right wing because of it.
Leftism is when you're in favor of a 3% increase in the marginal tax rate, an increase in the number of Pell Grants issued annually, and an expansion of eligibility for Medicaid under a new means testing regime..
What you're thinking of is the Far-Left, which is when you become an Authoritarian National Socialist and kill 6M Jews, like Joseph Stalin did when he illegally invaded Germany.
Its called Horseshoe Theory. And if you weren't so busy skipping classes to go protest Joe Biden, maybe you'd have learned about it.
Lol
Did you just blame the holocaust on the soviets? really?
Maybe, but it really reads like he is saying the soviets killed 6m jews when they "illegally" invaded germany
It's neither, it's a sarcastic comment.
This is a sarcastic comment, lol
That's ironic. You obviously skipped political ideology at the 200 level.
Yes, it's literally a sarcastic comment.
I don't know how to tell you this but here goes. There are people who actually believe what they've said. It's not a modest proposal, it's Holocaust denial which is a central theme to modern fascists.
From the halls /r/libertarian to the shores of /r/anachy. Its weapon's grade radical centrism.
If this is a joke it's gone down rather poorly. At best it reads like Schroedinger's Joke Propaganda.
Oh, I wanted so much to be with you here, and bits of pieces of your comment are correct, but other bits and pieces are completely fucking insane, that makes me think you're an alien blob or an undertrained llm trying to mimic human political argument.
Stalin was so happy to be backstabbed by his Hitler friend, so he illegally (wtf is that, can you do it legally?) invaded Germany, starting from destroying Soviet critical infrastructure using German bombers
The number of people completely missing your sarcasm is unfortunately unsurprising.
I will admit that I was jabated by this comment until I read yours and had to go reread it
I genuinely cant parse the sarcasm on my own tbh
I don't like this meme because the last two panels don't rhyme.
I think they're going for tried a coup / want you rhyme but the scanscion doesn't work
They do rhyme, some of the stanzas
Yeah dude really we get it the right are bad and they're evil but holy shit how come the Democrats have to be so fucking awful at their job?
You're going to get downvoted, but You're not necessarily wrong. So often the Democrats take the "high road" and let Republicans walk all over them because the Republicans don't care about the rules or about decorum.
And Democrats are SO BAD AT MESSAGING. I mean my god, they should be shouting their successes each and every time they speak, but you really just don't hear it. And every new movement gets so easily misconstrued by Republicans because of the nature of how complex the ideas and solutions are, so actual intent gets lost in "defund the police" and "black lives matter" (both of which I wholly support, so don't come at me). Those phrases mean something extremely important, but it's too easy for Republicans to make them sound like they mean something bad.
And journalists don't care because controversy sells, not wins.
This has more to do with most media and social media being owned by billionaires putting their thumbs on the scales. They support certain social issues to seem leftist but they are all conservative financially and on anything that could affect their bank account. There is very little true left leaning media in America.
Making the case that the government needs to step in and take control of many if these issues, but Dems dont want that either because wE'rE a cApiTaLiSt nAtIoN.
And DtP and BLM could easily be advanced by simply posting videos everywhere of police brutalizing white people , because the right cheers when they see police brutalize blacks. Dems DO NOT KNOW WHO THEY ARE DEALING WITH
aaaand you just went off into the deepend.
Like I was saying: you dont know who you're dealing with.
no edgelord, we get it, we simply don't care about you.
Well that's great because your way is working so well that we have the same lineup we had three years ago
Yes. If you'd cared back in 2022 to begin campaigning on a replacement candidate (I canvassed for Bernie) I could understand your outrage.
As is, the rest of us have a job to do. If you're not in on the better of the two, you do you champ.
Find the Fair Vote org in your state
https://fairvote.org/
And see how progress on ranked choice voting is going in your state legislature.
AAAND the bots/Russian plants have swarmed the comment section.
Ah US politics 2024.
Да ладно тебе, ну заполонили, и что с того?
Weird, I'm just seeing a bunch of NSA bots.
You can tell by how very suddenly the sheer number of comments blows the fuck up once anything not vlad-approved picking up steam.
This is the scene that plays in my head whenever people talk about how great Hamilton is. I can’t help it.
i agree with the rhetorical goals of this meme, but it does its job poorly.
some better options:
the right yawns when kids get shot
the left seeks to put in place bare minimum common sense gun laws
the left wants healthcare to be a human right
the right wants healthcare to be privatized for the benefit of investors
the right wants trans people, an incredibly small fraction of the population, to be harassed, abused, and murdered
the left doesn’t want that
the right is actively looking to get a national ban on abortion
the left supports a woman’s bodily autonomy, and recognizes that abortion can also be a life saving procedure but that such decisions should remain between a pregnant person and their doctor
and one very important and fucking atrocity of a similarity between the parties that will be used as a “gotcha” to “prove” all of the left/progressives are a poisoned well:
"Oh, you can see a well defined difference between the only two parties with a chance at winning an election in the US? I guess youre actually a Lib TM bc theres absolutely no way, none at all, that you might be anything left of center."
Also, you missed,
The left wants to fund the Ukranians fighting their sovereignty,
The right wants vlad the dictator to steamroll eastern europe bc daddy dump says hes big and strong unlike the clearly gencocidal nazi Volodomyr "no, i wont give u dirt on ur political opponents just for protecting my people, you imbecile" Zelenskyy.
"President Biden told the Israeli leader that airstrikes that killed aid workers were “unacceptable” and appeared to condition future support on how Israel changes course." https://archive.ph/t5tIi
Trump tells Israel to "finish the job" in gaza
https://apnews.com/article/trump-israel-gaza-netanyahu-biden-ba17bedaf2f1b5f2ea220828d0fba73b
Did Biden to tell them to "cut it out"?
these are true but facts picked in bad faith. biden has also said “I am a Zionist” and has shown no restraint in financially supporting the apartheid regime.
Yes, there is nuance and separation to the hows and the degrees of the Zionism and supprt for genocide. But neither side is anything less than culpable.
Oh and he punished them by stopping the military aid right?
No?
So it's just political theater then.
"The left"
Those red and blue dots are damned close together for one guy that incited a coup, kept mein kampf on this nightstand writes love letters to Putin and IL.
Biden is nowhere near where I want him to be policy-wise, But to try to put them close together on social issues is disingenuous
The political compass site is far from scientific.
Because the political compass is a lie meant to perpetuate "both-sidesism".
It's also an excuse for the people on r/politicalcompassmemes to act like an "enlightened compass"
Let's look at the vertical axis. Would you agree Biden is pretty much as Authoritarian as Trump?
Not remotely. Both are very much right wing, but there is a wide and wild ocean between the two in terms of authoritarianism.
Exhibit A against Biden
https://theintercept.com/2021/04/27/biden-antiterrorism-and-effective-death-penalty-act/
What is the Trump authoritarian equivalent?
https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-capital-punishment-brandon-bernard-lisa-montgomery-1234664126/
His use of federal death penalties that he did a record number of at the end of his presidential term as an attempt to raise support for his re-election using illegally supplied drugs that can't be used for that anymore.
To the point that part of his re-election campaign is still in death penalty but using firing squads or hanging as his alternative to lethal injection since they could be made public to scare citizens against acting out and again he accidentally helped make illegal the drugs he used in federal executions.
Trump is chasing populism, but the Biden team is not exactly proactively against capital punishment.
Biden could tell the Justice Department not to pursue the death penalty, but he hasn't.
Harris kept the death penalty available when she was California attorney general.
Through inaction, the Democrats are being equally authoritarian.
No. Grow up.
Biden regarding black people: “Superpredators”
Biden regarding Palestinians: “Kill their women and children if you have to.”
No that's Hillary "I deserve whatever I want" Rodham Clinton
He made the bill she used to say that but his actual idea on what made someone a "predator" was being born out of wedlock.
... He's not great but let's get it right at least.
Don't bring black people into this. Obama chose Biden as his VP twice. Also, black people were key voters in winning Georgia, cementing Biden's victory. They obviously like him.
I'm personally not a fan of Biden. But it's not like we have real options to choose from.
https://news.gallup.com/interactives/507569/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx
At least among non-white people, his approval has gone from 80% at the start of Biden's term to 46% now. So... he was popular with certain demographics before. Now he's not (except democrats, liberals, and postgraduates still have an approval rating above 50%). He has a higher approval rating from boomers than non-whites now.
The thing about approval ratings is, you may dislike a solution but favor it above others. I totally understand disliking Biden but still voting for him.
I think current polls are flawed and the people who "dislike" Biden will still vote for him. The public is fickle and enthusiasm will be determined by an event closer to the election.
At this point in the 2008 election, Obama and Hillary were neck and neck. John Edwards was still in the race for the Democratic nomination. Of course, Biden had not yet been nominated for VP. Literally ignore everything until late September.
Fucking vote.
Please stop using the political compass. Perpetuating right wing propaganda and misinformation is not helpful.
Which one do you suggest?
One what? The left/right spectrum is a complex web of ideals. On the right you have consolidation of wealth and power and on the left you have egalitarianism (equally shared wealth and power).
The extreme right contains power structures like dictatorship, monarchism, and oligarchy.
The extreme left contains power structures like direct democracy, anarchism, and communism (lower-case C; inclusive of, but not limited to, Marxism).
There is no "leftist authoritarianism" - that's an oxymoron - authoritarianism in any form is nothing more than garden-variety rightism. Rightists appropriating leftist terminology to confuse and control the populace is a bog-standard rightist strategy. It's really that simple.
And where do you think, no access to free healthcare, no access to free education, legalized lobbying, criminalised prostitution, industrial military complex, for profit prison system, falls into that spectrum?
Correct me if I'm wrong but the democratic party is not about to change any of those.
It seems like you just made the point without getting the point.
The US Democratic party, its leadership, and the majority of its members are right wing. There is nothing to be surprised about here.
Being “less to the right” than violent, fascist Republicans doesn’t make them leftist, it just makes them “less to the right”.
Actually studying political science
Don't assign good boy and bad boy points to things like "everyone should have access to basic necessities" and "kill everyone with more melanin than me" at all.
That's how you end with the "Hitler was a centrist" bullshit PCM was selling.
Why don't you join a political party and start a grassroots campaign to replace First Past the Post?
Or maybe you already belong to a party, and are just trying to create apathy to prevent people from voting Democratic to ensure Trump gets re-elected?
Or maybe I'm not American and I'm just pointing out there is no "Left" in America
Careful now. That sounds a lot like encouraging people to vote 3rd party in the upcoming election.
They didn't say anything about voting in presidential elections. They said start a campaign and advocate for the change they want see.
Lol okay buddy.
Fuckin' wrecked nerd.
Campaign in which party smart guy?
Any party you want in local elections, jesus fucking christ, do you not know what fucking “grassroots” means? God damn.
I think Left and Right should be renaned to People Feeding and People Eating
Thats confusing because the left eats the rich.
Ew. No. I'd really rather they just be mulched.
Head removed and on a pike preferably, just to try to reduce prions in the soil and as a nice decorative piece.
Yeah, probably just another Democrat bot posting about 🔵 🌊
"Biden is less authoritarian than Trump!" I cry as I'm dragged into the back of a police cruiser for criticizing Israeli. I'd go into further detail, but the police are currently gagging me, beating me with their batons, and harnessing me to the Palestinian Chair
democrats are not leftists, and havent really helped with healthcare in the grand scheme of things
Centrists do tend to abandon rhyme schemes when rapping.
I laughed way too hard at this. Please OP more.
Liberals use the Boogeyman of the ignorable "Russian troll" to protect themselves of criticism of the Democratic Party the same way the Republican Party uses "Youth Snowflake".
It's an easy out to pretend that anyone "reasonable" wouldn't say anything that makes you think the party isn't doing enough and hurts your sensibilities of good.
Once again the moderate upper middle class asking that nothing change until they are done being happy because it makes it easier to ignore the cries of those suffering.
Neat.
Snowball "Sabo" Two in the middle panel tho
So is this supposed to sway centrists to democrat?
So are you trying to create voter apathy and make sure Trump gets elected, comrade?
Sway centrists? No, this is to make fun of their idiocy (or pretend centrism). If they would be swayed, living in a world where the issues in the panel are repeatedly thrown at them would have done it already. Those morons deserve nothing but ridicule.
I think its supposed to sway centrists to Republican.
I mean, revolting against the government is an age-old celebrated patriotic tradition. But a socialized medical system? Sounds like leftists want to turn us into Venezuela.
Some of us mean different shit. I think "both sides" have the same theory of governance - they agree about what they can control. There's no objective line either of them follow.
exactly, yet they copy paste this wall of text every single time, and refuse to answer questions or comments. literal refusal to engage with humans as individuals with positions meaning different shit—everyone is the same to them.
Same as 'social contract' shit.
Annoying and irrelevant. Write a comment related to the text of the post or don’t comment at all if all you can do is make broad “typically”s and generalizations.
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lol
Radical.
The hot new thought-terminating cliche
Cheered on by squatting, fake-Adidas-wearing troll farm shitheads in Krasnoyarsk with rotten teeth, meth-and-vodka wages, and no purpose existing but as parasites on the rest of humanity.
The fact that Democrats consider those bottom of the barrel plans from the open healthcare plans as replacement for Medicare just proves they want to dismantle real healthcare slowly. They are literally a worse version of private healthcare plans we already had.
I've seen the "both sides" phrase used to criticize leftists (e.g. people who voted for Bernie or Warren in the 2020 primaries) and moderates (e.g. people who voted for Biden in the 2020 primaries) so I don't really know what it means anymore.
Yeah... It's actually liberal moderates who think there's a difference between the 2 parties... Progressives (leftists) understand that both parties are working for the same corporate sponsors.
Cringe meme
Left party? Where is it?? Are you talking about the narcoleptic grampa who loves to bomb kids? boi oh boi, you guys live in fairyland…
Democrats are not Left and they won't want you to have healthcare... Or we'd have it when they had all the branches. Try again Democrat bot.
Beep boop dork.
Very cool
You mean the supermajority that was 72 working days?
I mean sure the party isn't so progressive. But "why didn't they fix X?" is a bit stale. Either way, FPtP sucks.
EDIT: just a trifecta is marred by senators like Manchin and Sinema, and things like filibusters may still be an issue (also something like universal healthcare would likely not be as simple as passing 1 bill with a simple majority)
We can agree FPtP sucks. 👍
SAY THE LINE BART!
"I didn't do it"
I've never seen anyone say both sides are the same. I've seen people dismiss any and all criticism of Democrats as both-sidesism, I see that a lot. It's social media's favorite strawman.
I've seen a lot of criticism of Democrats that obviously implies both sides are equally bad, I've seen plenty of plainly stated "both sides are the same", and I've even seen a couple of "Biden is worse than Trump" ultra-tankie takes.
Horseshoe theory is bullshit but seen a lot here and on every social media platform.
"Both sides" in the context of this meme is about the mainstream, Dems and repubs. Horseshoe theory is about the fringe. You don't see similarities between Nazis and tankies?
Literally every damn day on this platform I see someone unironically taking this exact stance.
Oh and encouraging people not to vote.
https://lemmy.ml/comment/10739169
I've seen it, but its extremely rare compared to the number of times people on this platform accuse someone of saying that because they say something like "I'm not voting for anyone who knowingly gives weapons to other countries to commit genocide."
https://lemmy.ml/comment/10767140
I do, on the grounds that they both care jack shit about people, aren't accountable to people and don't represent people's interest. They are two sports teams, both playing the same game of pretending people have a choice, even when the choice is between bad and worse.
Once you start to squint, it becomes incredibly obvious that one really is worse than bad. This is still a nuance that is only there to force people to vote lesser evil instead of solutions.
Are they the "same" same? No. Indistinguishably same? No. Still, they're two, say, basketball teams in a system that brainwashed people to vote for the best basketball team to determine who's gonna be rowing the country back to normalcy. How voting for the best rowers is somehow just not an option never ceases to fascinate me, but, apparently, they're bad at basketball, and another one is even worse, so what do I know?
I agree with all of this. Two groups can be bad at the same time, even if they don't like each other, and even if one of them is worse.
They're not on the right.... They're aggressive capitalists. They want you to have healthcare that you pay for.
They want someone to make a profit off of it. If it's socialized "single payer" healthcare like other first world countries, then "the government" will have nearly unlimited power to basically dictate what procedures cost, which will impact the profits of private hospitals, doctors, etc. (Nurses get fucked regardless for wages, so I'm not going to touch that topic).
The whole healthcare machine, the one that "provides" healthcare as a means to make profit, would basically collapse under a single payer healthcare system. Getting a government funded system, like "Obamacare" in the mix is a "slippery slope" towards a single payer system, which the ruling class would "suffer" for since they have a nontrivial amount of money tied up in investments with insurance, hospitals, etc. And all those dividends would evaporate if the system even slightly went towards a single payer system.
The ruling class has convinced their brain-dead followers that "the libs" want them to pay for other people's healthcare, and thus those people don't pay for their own, except they do. And the "what do I get out of it" mentality kicks into high gear to basically turn them against the idea of helping anyone, at any time, for any reason.
An actual conservative would be asking about how to fund such a system, so that the budget doesn't fly out of control due to unchecked healthcare spending. A liberal would say to go ahead and give it to everyone and we'll figure out the details on how to pay it later. People need it now and they're suffering without it, so let's put everyone on the same playing field first.
A communist would want the entire system to be annexed, owned, and operated by the state/government, which is acting on behalf of and in the best interest of the people, spoiler for the Americans, you elect your government, they don't act in your best interest; they act in the best interest of whomever is paying them the most, aka, the rulers of the USA, who are aggressively capitalist because it's made each and every one of them rich beyond anyone's imagining.
The whole thing is stupid. The people on the right have their heads shoved so far up the assess of people who don't give any shits about them, that they haven't seen daylight in years. They're constantly rage baited into thinking that someone is going to get a leg up on them because of some handout, whether it's a real cash handout or just one that they think is a handout.
Everyone else is looking for basic fucking rights to live and continue to exist with all the rights and freedoms as everybody. Then bodily autonomy gets ripped away from anyone with a uterus, and if you want to get married, it has to be to someone whom the state deems is an appropriate person for you to marry. If you want to parade down the boardwalk showing pride in who you are, well, that's not right, THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!11
I'm tired of hearing about these douchebags that only give a shit about something if some rich asshole tells them to. If you're a conservative, ask yourself, what fucking business is it of yours to tell someone else who they can love? What fucking problem do you have with your neighbor getting "free" treatment for their possibly fatal medical issues? If it's only because someone told you to give a shit about it, maybe rethink your entire life because nobody on the other side is saying you can't get married to whom you love, or get medical care, paid or not, to take care of yourself when you're diagnosed with stage four cancer, Sarah. Go fuck yourself and stop trying to fuck everyone else with your pathetic self absorbed bullshit.
I've been having a rough week. I apologized for swearing so much.
Why the hell is this downvoted so much, nothing you've said is incorrect
Idk. I probably hurt people's feelings with the cold hard truth.
To be fair either one are so rightwing by european standards, that french will blow dust off National Razor.
Bro real shit just don't pay your medical bills. They literally cannot make you pay them, and they are used to insurance companies not paying the full price, so they are already prepared to write it off as a tax loss. You give everyone free healthcare and people will be going to the ER for allergies and it will slow down the entire medical system. You needn't look farther than Canada. At least this way everyone can be seen in a timely manner
They CAN make you pay them. They can go as far as garnishing your wages if you just ignore them.
But in my experience they won't. I've actually done that several times and it was fine. Even so, my credit rating is considered "Excellent" by all the bureaus.
I'm glad you didn't have to experience that.
It's still unethical to give people this advice without explaining possible risks. They very much can go after their money if they feel like it.
The Democrats are currently supporting a genocide in Gaza and are violently attacking the first amendment.
Don't pretend this is about healthcare.
Edit - apparently the people idolizing the Democrats can't handle actual criticism.
Let's be real here: the entire US government is supporting a genocide in Gaza. Trying to make it out to be a problem only on the left feels incredibly dishonest.
Oh it's not a problem with the left, it's a political party thing. And they are the ones in charge, the ones in control of the State Department and Pentagon Leahy processes. Congress can pass whatever it wants, unless it passes a repeal of Leahy with a veto proof majority, the administration has very solid ground to stand on. They just refuse to do so.
so did you read the comment you replied to or
Yes and it reads like an attempt to both sides this issue when it's one specific political organization responsible for it.
Ok, so if the Republicans took power tomorrow what do you think their policy would look like re: Gaza?
I wouldn't care because I would be protesting their illegal takeover of the government.
You need to post more or to the gulag, comrade.
1st, 2nd, 4th just for starters
Can we stop with these unfunny strawman arguments. This echo chamber crap regardless of your left or right, y'all do the exact same memes and none are ever as witty or funny as the creator thinks.
Ah yes the down votes. This is why we can't have nice things. Continue the circle jerk in the echo chamber, I'm sure it'll definitely make a difference as opposed to discussions and change.
It's not a strawman when there are always people saying Dems are the same as Reps.
Are Democrats "the left" for you? If anything, they are the center, even more right than left.
The Democrats are closer to the Republicans than they are to the actual left.
SO, if anyone is saying that the Democrats are the same as the Republicans, it should be the actual leftists and the communists instead of the centrists.
I think the center is actually saying "yes, we need more social policies but let's not jump into communism and '0h work week' anti-work shit please". That's it.
I'm pretty sure 90% of centrists would agree with universal Healthcare. I'm not even sure what's the point of this meme. "If you're not with me, you're against me" kind of fallacy? OK.
The terms "left" and "right" are being used relatively in this context. Not that you'd understand that nuance if it hit you upside your head, seeing as you have exactly zero idea what an American moderate thinks like. They might say that shit, but as soon as they hear their taxes or gas prices go up they cower away
There are zero Democrats advocating for communism and 0h work weeks, so that doesn't really make sense
They want you to have paid healthcare to protect their lobbyists' profits.
Unless you fall under medicare or medicaid, have fun paying insane insurance costs to cover your medical bills because the "left" is too busy using all their budget to fund a genocide.
Christ. Let go of the fucking j6 shit. It won't win you anything. You can't use something that only you see as a lever. It's just a plank of wood with no fulcrum.
"Both sides" has to do with theory of power. They have different policies, but both think they own us all the same.
2020 Election was clearly stolen. Calling J6 a "coup" or "insurrection" is the hoax of the century. Just look at the footage they don't want you to see of DC police escorting Jacob Chansley through the building. Or Ray Epps shouting, "We need to go IN to the capital." And running free while thousands are locked up as political prisoners.
Let's just completely forget about the "Summer of love" in 2020 with all of the "mostly peaceful protests" and George Soros attorneys refusing to prosecute while innocent people are killed, and buildings burned and looted all over the country.
When we decided to subsidize education with tax dollars prices skyrocketed, and quality went down.
Same story with Healthcare. Both are bureaucratic nightmares.
The House voted on Wednesday to pass the bipartisan Antisemitism Awareness Act. Completely gutting your 1st Amendment freedom of speech. The House vote was 320 to 91 with 70 Democrats and 21 Republicans voting against the bill. The politicians in this country are openly betraying you. It doesn't matter left or right. They're not working for you. They're bought and paid for by lobbying money.
Anyone else remember how good the Internet was before deranged conservative trolls figured out how to use it?
There used to be a barrier to entry. You needed to have a computer, which was an expensive piece of equipment for most homes. You needed to be able to configure it, and that took knowledge. Some idiot would have to make a webpage, and then some other idiot would have to find it, both things were surprisingly difficult.
Now it's just Eternal September.
And the earth is flat and JFK is alive and 5G is spreading COVID. Yeah yeah, We know, we know. Lol
Dumb.
You are the embodiment of everything that is and had ever been wrong with this country. Your ideological forebearers were always the bad guys and the losers, and you will join them.