Trump Hints Another January 6 Could Happen If He Loses the Election
The former president made multiple chilling warnings during an interview with Time magazine.
Donald Trump hasn’t quite let go of the possibility of utilizing mob violence if he loses the next election.
In a sprawling interview for Time magazine, Trump hinted that leveraging political violence to achieve his end goals was still on the table.
“If we don’t win, you know, it depends,” he told Time. “It always depends on the fairness of the election.”
And from Trump’s perspective, that’s winning rhetoric. According to him, his incendiary comments supporting a mob mentality, his early warnings of forthcoming abuses of power, and his threats to be a dictator on “day one” are only inching him closer to the White House. “I think a lot of people like it,” Trump told Time.
https://newrepublic.com/post/181115/trump-january-6-political-violence-loses-electionOpen linkView original on lemmy.world
If the FEC had any fucking teeth they'd jail and disqualify him for that statement alone.
They have teeth. But half of the people who decide whether or not they pursue charges against someone are republican appointees.
So, you know… teeth, but corrupted leadership.
They're the same picture
Yes and no. I can't speak to the particulars of this situation but differences in means matter even if they currently produce the same outcome. A toothless dog and a dog in a muzzle are different in important ways.
That’s a great and succinct way to describe that.
I don’t really disagree in present circumstances.
But I feel it’s necessary to characterize it correctly. Characterizing the FEC as a whole to be deficient when it’s a few bad actors temporarily at the head of the FEC could be used as justification by other bad actors or well-intentioned but misled people to undermine the FEC - which would make it deficient should the leadership issues be corrected.
Sort of the game that conservatives play with government services. Cut the funding until the service is flagging, then use that as justification to either further cut the budget or reduce the scope of the service until the service is no longer a real government service.
Can’t let ourselves buy into that.
January 6th was a failed coup attempt.
How is saying you'll retry your failed coup attempt if you don't get your way something were allowing a presidential candidate to do?
Because he "tells it like it is" or something. Idk. The kind of people still falling for his grift are too shameless to ever admit that they ever fell for his grift, so they're doubling down, succumbing to the sunk cost fallacy. They just stay in their echo chambers and saturate their awareness with weird culture war shit and then never hear about what's actually happening. Half of them probably don't even know that their guy is a defendant in criminal court this week. Willfully ignorant.
No I'm fine with uneducated masses eating it up.
I'm not okay with judges pulling out their dentures to slobber on trumps balls over matters that threaten the whole country instead of figuratively castrating him the moment he says shit like this.
Agreed. But conservatives have learned over the past 10-20 years that they can more or less just do whatever they want without consequence because 1/3 of the people will fight to the death for whatever they do or say, 1/3 is completely unaware and uninterested in politics and current events, and the final 1/3 is people like us who want consequences but we're too busy to do anything ourselves because survival is hard enough these days. There are a hundred things worthy of outrage and organized demonstration too, so which cause do we dedicate our summer to trying to fix? The right has an easier time because they just say "things used to be better" and then have one event where people complain about change. Pretty much everybody can identify with being pissed off that something used to be better until they changed it, and for some reason that's strong enough to get some pretty average people to sit at the table with Nazis. There's much more nuance and thoughtfulness on the left, so it's much harder to get unity.
Because conservatives can grow and maintain a reliable base to keep them in power, they feel no need to even pretend to be decent most of the time. They can just fervently choose their own selfish goals over what the Constitution or other rules and laws demand. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that we're rapidly approaching the era of post-democracy America. Some would say we've been there for decades already, but I think we're in for some dictatorial, executions-in-the-streets type of shit if Biden loses. So conservatives in power who like trump or even suspect that he may win or get into power otherwise have to weigh doing the right thing which could hurt their party and draw targets on their backs vs low/no consequence siding with trump.
"If conservatives become convinced that they cannot win democratically, they will not abandon conservatism. They will reject democracy.”—David Frum
Because "not trying to overthrow the government due to losing an election" isn't listed in the Constitution as a requirement to be elected. One would think that's a pretty major oversight.
It is but the Senate failed to do their job as usual and enforce it, thanks Mitch
Except it literally is explicitly written into the constitution. 14th Amendment, Section 3.
The major oversight is our massively and blatantly corrupt Supreme Court.
We learned nothing from hitlers rise to power, obviously.
wouldn't want this to appear politically motivated, now would we?
Because 30% of the country actively want him to be our dictator.
I have strong doubts. The people most likely to "Jan 6" did. A number of them, particularly the mid-level leaders, that actually organized things, are in prison. They have not turned out in numbers since they started getting arrested.
They got light sentences. And let's face it, the people that are going to organize yet another insurrection are going to be duped by the same logic that Trump will pardon them or that their acts are justified.
Trump is threatening our democracy. Again.
He's saying that if he doesn't win, there's going to be another insurrection.
The sad reality is that over the last four years, fascist states have put laws into place that make it legal to overturn elections for little to no reason. No oversight.
He won't need an insurrection because he has willing accomplices.
False. Some of the ones that took a plea deal got light sentences. They also can no longer vote.
The ones that didn't take plea deals got sentences completely in line with the Federal Sentencing guidelines, because that is how our modern Federal courts work.
67% of sentences were below the federal guidelines as were 86% of felony sentences.
We're talking about domestic terrorists who tried to overthrow the government.
Yeah but for the majority of federal crimes you're probably comparing these sentences to drug offender sentences which are much harsher because of the seriousness of the offense.
/s before crucifixion; drug sentences are ridiculous and these traitors getting anything less than a felony disqualifying them from participating in the system they tried to break is madness.
Believing someone when they say the money in the cash register is rightly yours and should be taken by force does not mean you get a pass when you rob a gas station.
17% difference from the norm. Picking nits.
I don’t think voting was a concern when they committed to the coop. Hopefully they are not merely on house arrest after the next election
"coup"
It's French.
.... For non-rich people.
You say that like it matters.
Remember, the Beer Hall Putch failed. So we have nothing to worry about?
Per the new rules in my state, all my history books have had the pages from 1924 to 1957 torn out. So I'm assuming this part of history was just woke and soy and therefore unimportant.
Oh man, you didn't get to read about how our good Christian American soldiers kicked the ass of the Godless Communist Germany in WW2?
No. But I was told by a private student group funded through the anonymous donation of particularly religious billionaires that I needed to "do my own research" on who the real bad guys were.
Huh? What did I miss?
No. Not my point at all.
All it takes is just one person with a gun and a grudge to kill dozens.
But that won't take them any closer to toppling the government. Jan. 6 could only happen because Trump actively prevented the police from doing their jobs. That won't happen under Biden.
I hear Trump did the same thing at Uvalde.
Fucken Bolsonaro did the same shit and it’s looking like he’s actually gonna get prosecuted. Real shame the US government isn’t up to the high standards set by Brazil, but maybe we’ll get there someday!
How many more Babbits will trump create when he can't tell the capital police to stand down? Or even, how many of his idiot followers are even going to show up when they got fucked and abandoned last time?
You're a pathetic weakling Donnie, go sit the fuck down and pout to a judge.
(again)
I think the best (and a frustrating) part is that he hasn't won the popular vote once
God damn we need to get rid of the electoral college
I have no sympathy for Babbitt. Suicide by cop as far as him concerned
The only story there is they got so far in before any of them were shot. She was crawling through the final barrier between the mob of insurrectionists and members of Congress and still given plenty of opportunity to cut that out.
Insurrectionists were basically allowed to run free smearing feces on the walls until there was no other option to prevent them from murdering representatives. If all cops would show that much restraint that would be rad as fuck. I guess not every protest has their off-duty buddies in the crowd, though.
The idiots weren't even smart about it. They had access to congress offices, at the very least they should have been grabbing every scrap of intel they could lay hands on and posting it online so we could see what our representatives are really up to. If you're going to commit treason at least make it valuable.
Yeah! Too bad there is a huge difference between people who want truth and the government to be accountable (you) and people who want the government to be unaccountable but targeting groups they hate (them).
Enough Ashley Babbits and its less of a problem for conservatives than for the police.
Oh, fuck off, the only reason it got that far on Jan 6 is that he was already in charge and refused to call in troops to immediately shut it down. I doubt Biden sits on his hands for several hours while rioters attack the Capitol.
If Biden wins the election I can almost guarantee that there will be guards posted ahead of time.
Even if he doesn't, he'll still be President on January 6th. I'd be surprised if he doesn't post guards either way.
I don’t expect a storm on the capital, I expect something more localized.
Don't forget they were specifically instructed to let the MAGAts run wild.
And trump's sycophant "acting directors" were in place to thwart any attempt at control of the drunken hick mob.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/12/meadows-jan-6-national-guard-trump-524133
I know what the headline actually means but i'm choosing to believe that donny just found out about calendars.
So he is threatening to go full Mussolini then?
Hopefully, he gets the full Mussolini treatment. They will have to find an Exxon station since Esso changed its name in the 70s.
Well what’s important is that Mussolini eventually became a good fascist. I just wish he’d done it faster
I saw your comment and my thought process went: "What?! Good fascist? The only good fascist is...is...oh. Ohhhhhh!"
Skip straight to the head-kicking.
Always has been
More and more
These morons should be greeted by the National Guard
Specifically flying elements of The Maryland Air National Guard's 175th wing based at Warfield Air National Guard Base.
Agreed
How many members of the National Guard are already MAGA Chuds?
You're right, probably too many
The only reason it happened the first time is because he was able to allow it to happen... but he ain't the one in the oval office now.
Right. Biden would have immediately deployed the national guard in response to a march on the Capitol. Trump intentionally did not, he encouraged the mob and then watched the whole thing unfold on television and didn't lift a finger.
The next group of MAGA idiots who show up to pull a Jan 6 2.0 will get turned away by authorities actually equipped to handle them.
Ultimately I don't think that will matter much. Acts of domestic terrorism or sabotage won't affect the outcome of the executive maintaining power and are unlikely to garner much sympathy. Trump wanted to make sure he won by attacking the weakest points of the electoral system - slates of false electors to sow doubt and discord, and when that failed, inciting a mob to interrupt the certification. I think both of those points are still vulnerable to attack, but there are a lot more eyes on it now after 2020. Trump is already on trial for trying to overturn the election, and Biden has no reason to allow an armed mob of crazies storm the Capitol, win or lose.
If they get smarter they'll see that everyone in 1.0 got thrown under the bus and they won't show up for 2.0
Oh? I thought Jan 6th was AntiFA?
By all means fuck around & find out. The Capitol police will have their submachine guns this time.
Not to mention the fact your supporters won't even show up to your trials after you abandoned them & stabbed them in the back last time, you wretched piece of shit.
May the capital police show far less restraint if next time happens.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stochastic_terrorism
Oh it’ll absolutely happen. We all know this already. And he won’t be held accountable for that either.
He OBVIOUSLY learned his lesson Last Time!
Someone go kick Susan Collins in the butt
Traitor
like just, over and over for 10 hours a day? that'd be pretty funny.
I'll do my part!
My god the media really love him don’t they ?
They can’t quit.
Of course. It gets the clicks. Which in turn feeds the bullshit, which they report on, and get more clicks. It's the circle of un-life.
Stories about Trump are so annoying because there’s a decision matrix when it comes to upvoting/downvoting, ignoring or reading.
When I see news articles about another wannabe fascist with a questionable business and personal history who made their success using family money and the exploitation of others that is completely irrelevant to me, I just downvote the story and move on.
But Trump is different because in addition to the above, I also know he is actually dangerous. While it’s true he is stupid, lacks the ability to plan things, and in a sane society would never be allowed to run for office, it is also true that he’s surrounded by smart handlers and sycophants who have helped him tilt the scales of justice, and will empower him to break every conceivable norm and law to instill himself as a dictator/useful idiot.
So I don’t want to just downvote and move on, since ignoring a threat is... well, dumb.
I hate that I have to ask myself if a story is something that I need to upvote for the sake of awareness, or if I can disregard it as more media fellatio of an undeserving scumbag for the sake of clicks.
I feel the same as you. I'd love to be able to completely ignore this stupid clown of a man. I curse the people that gave him that stupid gameshow and I really loathe the "liberal media" that did just about nothing to vet him.
Unfortunately, he has a rabid cult following and a feckless government that seems to want to do nothing about him.
They love power, yeah. The republiQan owners of corporate media are very specifically and in this case directly anti-democratic.
Here's how: Any halfway competent democratic voice would find a way to say "That's Wrong" somewhere in there - the headline, for example. "In further traitorous thoughts, Trump says he'd attack America again"
Remember Les Moonvees? I mean before he resigned after sexually assaulting a bunch of women.
Or CNN's Jeff Zucker who also sexually assaulted a bunch of women and was virulently pro-Trump, even having a framed tweet from Trump on his wall thanking him?
This is why we all should arm ourselves heavily. And be ready to fight back.
When I worked for the country I found I'm a pretty decent shot with what you'd've called an m16a3 . I had a couple of really great shooty-powpow days.
You know what I'd do if jan6 got crazy again?
Continue to stay away. I have no business being there. I'm not some gung-ho halfwit, passable shot or no.
The point isn't to go out, it's to have a shooty boi or two at home in case others decide to go out.
if I were a Trumper trying to learn from Jan 6 the lesson I'd learn is that the mob was all in one place and disorganized, which made them easy to find and target, easy to defend against, and very susceptible to morale issues as soon as they got pushback (watch the Ashley Babbit video. As FA turns to FO, pay attention to the mood of the crowd. The fact is there were enough of them close enough that they could have easily overwhelmed the lone guard, but when they realized that this was real life where people who get shot die they lost any will to proceed). Small, organized teams spread out all over the country would be very difficult to defend against, could have goals beyond just disrupting a single vote like kidnapping legislators or knocking out utilities, and could have trained, organized people who are actually ready and willing to put their lives on the line. Don't think in terms of getting ready for another Jan 6. Jan 6 happened and is over. Think in terms of what the people who did Jan 6 will learn from their failure, and organize around that.
Small organized teams leave a trail and it's much harder for those arranging things to claim ignorance. The disorganization was so they could claim they had "no idea this would happen".
The people smart enough to organize something are smart enough to keep their hands off of any direct organizing.
remember that their plan involves having an inside guy in the white house who's capable of just declaring them innocent of any and all crimes
Well said.
Question is what exactly does he mean? That MAGA republicans from around USA will visit the capitol city and go to see congress, all completely peacefully. we just have to hope the LGTB people don't make a mess of it.
Because isn't that what he claimed happened?
Trump is such a malignant idiot, and so is everybody who supports him.
Terrorism.
But the little bitches in the government are too afraid to call a spade a spade.
I was referring to Trump's rhetoric that nothing happened, it was mostly a garden party where everybody from MAGA were nice and didn't do anything wrong. Despite all the evidence of violence and even policemen/security people dying and threats of executing politicians. But hey, that's just another day of being American I guess.
"hE jUsT teLLs iT liKe It iS"
Can't upset conservatives or they won't vote for me. And my entire election strategy hinges on winning over as many moderate conservatives as possible.
Yikes, forgive me if this is a naive question but how are these kinds of veiled threats against American democracy okay with Homeland Security?
Our positions of authority are infested with conservatives.
Makes sense. But conservativism pre-dates Trump and realistically will soon outlive him.
It seems odd to me that they are happy to have someone random dismantle bedrock US political system? Or are conservatives less keen on democracy?
Also I get the impression he doesn't have a conservative ideology himself, he seems like more of an opportunist than a believer.
Historically, unchecked conservatism leads to oppressive regimes. The conservatives here have been getting worse and worse since the civil war. When Reagan sold their party to the Christians, they basically cut the brake lines. Conservatism has been unchecked ever since.
The severity of this infection gets worse here every year. Unfortunately, if history is our guide, treating a disease like this is not a peaceful process. Maybe this time it will be different.
Thanks.
I always forget/underestimate the religious element in the US.
The "conservative" part of right-wing republiQan ideology was largely a lie from the start. The true goals of preserving power in the hands of rich white men were neatly folded into every "deregulation", "fiscally conservative", "tough-on-crime" and "trickle-down" talking point for forty years.
See "The Southern Strategy" for more on how important those ideals were to the GOP.
Trump's success revealed the people who voted for those things don't care a single bit about them because they could have enacted policies that would follow those supposed ideals, but instead they either did nothing or in some cases did the opposite.
"Barry Goldwater conservative" voices which had a claim to environmental protections were subsumed almost as a first act of the modern era starting with Nixon's downfall.
Thanks, hadn't heard of that and it's interesting. I think the stumbling block for me is I always forget how many non-rich people want to facilitate the rich. Kind of like Salacious Crumb on the shoulder of Jabba.
Conservatives are lot just less keen on democracy; many of them are actively and openly opposed to it. For example.
I did not know that. I thought it was like, a cornerstone of American identity.
Oh it’s because “homeland security” is a false flag term used to spy and control their population.
Kind of like how “weapons of mass destruction” was used to fuel an entire war.
Once you’re rich enough and have enough corporate power you can do whatever you want at the expense to greater population.
I was going to say CIA at first but then I remembered my parents telling me that is its own country.
Idk I feel like as citizens we need some kind of organization that protects our political systems. There's a weird assault on democracy in my country at the moment too (not coups just unconstitutional legislation) and it really highlights the dangers now that disaster capitalists are on the rise.
I agree but rich people will break up any attempt to create such a thing.
Yeah. I really doubt congress is going to fuck around next time. They'll be deploying the national guard and shooting on sight. Even other GOP members were pissed about the insurrection and were targeted by insurrectionists.
This time, they might actually treat it as if they were "antifa" or BLM, even.
The difference is, if rioters try to break into the Capitol building THIS time, they're not going to get bottled water and a pat on the ass. The Capitol police are going to be loaded for bear.
No fucking quarter
so his supporters are gonna take another shit in the capital building, go to jail by the hundreds, one will get shot and a Democrat still gets elected.
k.
The SCOTUS says that if we don't let Trump do that there is a chance that Trump may do that !
Not really, because he's not in power this time.
He can't hold a protest in DC without approval and given how 1/6 turned out, nobody will give him approval if he loses.
I mean, he could tweet about how people should show up anyway. I don't know if it would be effective or not, but knowing how rabid his fans are, it could lead to something. This is just more of his plausible deniablitity shtick. "Oh, a juror I don't like very much lives here. It sure would be a shame if a bunch of folks harassed or threatened them into doing what I want"
Dude lost 4 years ago and still has a fanatical base that swears it didn't happen.
Last time Trump ensured that police and so on couldn't prepare. Plus denied any assistance on the day. That alone is a huge difference.
I hope so. The alternative is they show up armed this time.
Yeah, and then you get stopped and arrested on gun charges before you even get there.
It might be good if something like that were to happen - if thousands and thousands of them were to get arrested on the way to some dumb insurrection that donnie egged on long before they are able to get anyone killed. Get more of them in the prison system to help cripple their movement.
Unfortunately, last time a lot them were simply allowed to go home.
Yes and then where hunted down and arrested later on. 600+ convictions is not nothing.
True. I wonder how many they missed, but yes.
It's interesting to note the difference between the way an insurrection is treated vs. the way someone selling loose cigarettes...
And this time around he can’t prevent deployment of the national guard
Please try it.
Your guy isn't in the white house this time.
I haven't read about any chaos, though I don't doubt it. What have you heard about?
I think it's a joke about how donnie is butthurt because hardly anyone showed up for his court cases to protest how unfair it all is.
Ah, now that I HAD heard early on.
I'm more afraid what will happen if he wins, because I don't know anything about that. I'd expect a Jan 6 2.0 if he loses, but I don't know if there will be either Kristalnacht 2.0, Nazi book burnings 2.0, or just slow erosion of secular human rights in favor of christian fascism.
If he tries it might cost him more than money
I'm not worried about it if he loses. He's just some guy. If people start to get violent on his behalf, they get arrested.
The scary part is if he wins in 2024 and has another Jan 6th (and the related effort to stay in power) after his term should have ended.
If you mean the concern is not leaving in 2029 after he "wins" in 2024, I think that might be the very least of our concerns. If he gets power again, we'll be in very dangerous terrain already.
Hey, maybe we could put Trump in a shopping cart and roll him off the roof of an abandoned casino!
I mean it seems dangerous, but let's try it. We may need a couple of takes, y'know, one for safety and that.
It’s pretty clear that his endgame is to basically cause an enormous bloodbath.
This time we'll be ready for his sorry ass.
You misspelled “threatened”.
Well maybe he should tell his supporters not to do that again….
LOL, "hints".
I hope your avatar remains relevant after this year.
And it could go the same as last time.
Bring it on, motherfuckers.
If that happens, I don't think the turnout will be anywhere near the same as it was before.
Same he has only lost people nothing gained. I do not think this election will be that close but that's just me, a person from a swing state who watches neighbors remove their pro Trump shit.
It'll only have a positive outcome if we all vote like our lives depend on it
And for a lot of us it literally does
Trump primary turnout eclipsed his 2016 run. Conservatives are at least as hyped in 2024 as they were in 2020. Meanwhile, Liberals are trying to decide whether they need to send more bombs to kill Palestinians or start dropping shells on Columbia instead.
Looking really grim.
You mean purported leftist voters are going to elect Trump and end democracy bc they're angry about Gaza?
Unfortunately it seems like that is an active sentiment, at least with a vocal minority. Intentional disengagement because they don't like the choices they have. They would rather Trump contribute to the death of Palestinians, Ukrainians, and Americans rather than vote for the guy who contributed to the death of Palestinians.
To top it off, it's coming largely from a trans inclusive instance, heightening the chances of putting a right wing nutjob in power right as there is an ongoing anti-trans culture war. It's like they're more brainwashed than the Log Cabin Republicans.
100
I think leftist voters are getting purged from rolls across the country and won't have a say in the matter either way.
But voter caging, disenfranchisement, and other ratfvckery will amount to a Trump win in the same way it amounted to a Bush win in 2000 and a Nixon win in 1968.
These protests will become the excuse Democrats use to further justify purging leftist voters from their ranks, in the same way they used it to purge Greens in 2000 and Socialists in 1968. And it will result in more loses as the country marches further and further into the grip of fascist state policy.
Liberals? You think it is solely the democratic party doing this or are you saying this is what voters want? I'm confused
If you didn't already know this would be the case, you're too optimistic about the situation.
At least if he does lose, there will hopefully be a riot squad waiting at the capital in case his threat comes true. It's what I'd do just in case he loses. In fact, it'd be the first thing I do! At the very least, if they don't come immediately within the first week after the election, just have them on standby just in case they eventually show up, ready to perform treason.
It’s easy to complain about trump or pontificate about January 6 and its probable replay.
Ammunition is going to get more and more expensive from here on out, go buy some bullets you think you’ll need before they’re prohibitively expensive or unavailable.
Been saying the same. The fascists are here, now. Worst case, I bought a bunch of ammo while it was cheap.
The fascists have helicopters and jets... Hope you got some big bullets
In a hypothetical civil war peoole wouldn't shoot the helicopters and jets. They'd blend with the regular population in to hide from them. They'd shoot the pilot when the pilot is out buying groceries or filling their car with gas ... or kidnap their loved ones.
A civil war would be horrifying. There would be no uniforms, no front lines, and no rules of war. Both sides would go after the other's friends and family when they can't find or attack their enemy directly.
Pretty much this. We already had a second Civil War, sorta, in the Coal Wars, and it pretty much shows how BAD it can get. Now imagine how much worse a guerilla war would be in the age where anyone can find information on pretty much anyone else with the use of a few very basic tools. They don't need to know your schedule, just where you work. They don't need to know who your kids are, just where they go to school. They don't need to know how many people are in your house, just where it is - all publicly available information (or at least easily extrapolated from it).
Am I supposed to be afraid of another small enclave of idiots making gigantic asses out of themselves on an international stage?
Why hint? He should come right out and say it! Stop being such a cowardly loser dude, own it, tell the crazies what you want them to do in detail!
And risk his own neck? He'll let gullible idiots take all the risk just like before. He'll only show up if they manage to succeed.
How people are willing to follow, let alone risk their lives over this lying coward.
Yeah but I want him to go to prison for realzies this time.
That would be fantastic and would dissuade future wanna-be dictators.
What's wrong with a Tourist Visit? Or was January 6th NOT a Tourist Visit?
Yea… we know. Really trying hard to not live in FL before November.
Waaaaahhh
I can’t believe Norman Reedus and my birthday dates are tainted by this
Getting?
Don't interrupt your enemy when they're making a mistake.
Careful, that was also Hillary's strategy.
Don't also make your own mistakes while you enemy is making theirs?
Republicans promising to install an authoritarian government?
When will the democratic party drop gun control given this imminent threat?
SocialistRA.org
False dilemma.
Thank you for pointing it out.