Ringleader of global monkey torture network, 'The Torture King', is charged
A ringleader in a global monkey torture network exposed by the BBC has been charged by US federal prosecutors.
Michael Macartney, 50, who went by the alias "Torture King", was charged in Virginia with conspiracy to create and distribute animal-crushing videos.
Mr Macartney was one of three key distributors identified by the BBC Eye team during a year-long investigation into sadistic monkey torture groups.
Two women have also been charged in the UK following the investigation.
Warning: This article contains disturbing content
Mr Macartney, a former motorcycle gang member who previously spent time in prison, ran several chat groups for monkey torture enthusiasts from around the world on the encrypted messaging app Telegram.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-68716467Open linkView original on lemmy.world542
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I gotta admit, I was blissfully unaware that this was a thing. I really did not expect to read a headline like that this morning.
What in the fucking fuck is wrong with people? This motherfucker needs to spend the rest of his life behind bars. The biggest sign of a person becoming a serial killer is their treatment of animals. I mean, he's already been to prison, so it's not like he has any interest in being rehabilitated in prison.
I agree with you but to be fair our prison system is terrible at rehabilitation. Sure it works sometimes but it's not their main focus.
Did you read about the prison that is denying everyone in person visits so they can charge money for phone calls and video calls? They're getting a kick back from the companies whk run those systems. Fucking gross.
I am pretty sure that rehabilitation only happens in spite of our prison system.
The goal of the private prisons is to get the individual to commit more crimes so they get paid more. This means they are being paid to encourage and change people to break the law, as opposed to teach them to be better
The US prison system is punitive not rehabilitative.
I don't think OP is looking to rehabilitate the torture king...
I’m going to guess this is the second biggest sign with the first biggest sign being specifically their treatment of the animals most closely related to humans.
Like torturing worms? Maybe 50% chance
Torturing dogs has got to be a good 80%
Torturing monkeys has got to be like a 99%+ chance of being a serial killer.
Jesus Christ.
The second biggest sign is the huge ass Trump and confederate flag behind him.
I kept reading "words" as "women"... felt real concerned for a minute there
E: "worms." I kept reading "worms" as "women." It's definitely time for bed now. ✌️
A woman who made crush videos involving kittens ended up being posted on 4chan. They did their thing. Last I heard she was never heard from again.
4chan is a true agent of chaos but sometimes they focus their powers on the right people.
Chaotic neutral at best. I tried 4chan a bit but hated the captchca system to post so looks like yall are stuck with me!
I've tried it more than a few times over the years. 99% of the time it's porn and racism. It's a website that's best viewed at a distance with people take screenshots of the shit that's actually worth seeing.
Depends on the board to be honest. The papercraft and origami one is surprisingly wholesome.
People assume all of it is like /pol/ since that is the most famous board with the highest traffic. It does leak into the other boards with the odd thread/post here and there but would say it's not representative of the site.
Yay for prison. And crush his balls first.
State-sponsored torture is still torture. And, in my opinion, worse.
This sounds cruel and unusual.
Please do not forget that we are NOT him.
Sometimes the hardest thing in life is to be a portrait of yourself, rather then a mirror reflecting the world around you.
My paint is fading...
Assume the worst, and maybe one day you will be presently surprised.
One day...
Well I am shocked that a person like this would be A Trump supporter and love the Confederacy. /s
He should be up for now than 5 years. This is completely fucked.
Ironically, his 5 year sentence would be longer than the Confederacy lasted.
Don't worry. Trump supporters will just hand wave this as some sort of false flag.
LMAO, they'll call him a legitimate businessman running a legitimate business, why is the government getting in the way of a stand-up American's monkey-torture distribution network!
Whaaaaat? Confederate and Trump flags? I'm so surprised!
With motherfuckin Ice Cube on a T-shirt that's hanging on the wall, too. Says "Boyz N Da Hood" and everything.
What song of his do you think this POS likes?
He didn't do the actual stuff though, he got people in Indonesia to do it.
Okay? People in the comments are talking as if he's the one doing the torturing and killing.
Alternately, you're talking as if facilitating the whole network, including the torturing and killing, is somehow better than doing the actual torturing and killing.
Yes, running chat groups is not as bad as actually torturing and killing monkeys.
This type of comment always really bothers me. You are misrepresenting what is being compared. It's not running chatrooms that is being judged. It's facilitating and organizing the creation and distribution of animal torture content. If he was running chatrooms about my little pony no one would care. Framing it as running chat rooms is dishonest. Flying planes isn't bad. Flying planes into buildings is. Say out loud the part you are trying to to minimize.
How so? I didn't say he ran some innocent or general chat groups, they were obviously involved in horrific shit. You are misrepresenting what I am saying.
Why not? If you do the act yourself it's worse than asking someone. Just like it would be for murder, the murderer gets longer behind bars, this is not surprising.
Was he charged with "running a chat group?" Or "conspiracy to create and distribute animal-crushing videos?"
What did he do?
Organizing the torture of hundreds of animals is better than torturing one animal yourself?
Good strawman.
Boy are you wrong
Why?
Somebody check this guy's hard drive ASAP. Nobody makes this kind of argument unless they're downloading some deranged shit from Telegram.
You'd be surprisingly bored.
Hitler probably didn't kill many/any of the Jews himself either..
He even was nice to that one little Jewish girl. So obviously, he deserves some slack.
Yes, someone made the same point already.
Why would you think that? I'm not interested if you think I'm discussing in bad faith.
I didn't say that. No interest whatsoever in your pisspoor understanding and attempt at using words you do not know how to use.
Read the book Whipping Star. It isn't very long. If you get to the end and can't see the corollary, I'd be happy to point them out to you.
I have too many books and papers on the go at the moment, feel free to summarise it.
Imagine defending the fucking torture king
Imagine imagining that I am.
The comment you originally responded to didn't say that he did the torturing himself, so your unsolicited response that "he didn't do the actual stuff though" absolutely comes across as an attempt to minimize the things that he is accused of doing according to the article.
That sounds like a defense to me. You think we should give him slack because of his distance to the violence he was orchestrating.
No, I do not think that.
Conspiracy then. Just as bad.
How so?
You're overdoing it now.
Overdoing what? If you don't want to engage in discussion you don't have to be here.
Meanwhile, Charles Manson is in prison, even though he never killed anyone with his own hands.
He died like 7 years ago.
In that case he received the same sentence as Atkins, death, commuted to life. Good example, although he was more directly involved due to proximity.
Which adds a while other level of hypocrisy. Why can't he have good ol' Americans do the job? Are they not good enough for him?
Also don't care that he did not directly do it. He was facilitating it and it would not have happened on the same scale without his help. So in essence, he absolutely caused the torture of monkeys. Should someone who goes a hitman not be charged with anything? The hit man isn't killing the victim without pay so obviously the person hiring one should be charged.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-50137450
This was the example which came to mind, where the original person was sentenced with the strongest punishment, then the subsequent people each received subsequently lighter ones.
https://newjerseymonitor.com/2023/06/29/sean-caddle-sentenced-to-24-years-in-prison-for-2014-slaying/
However this disagrees with my stance, and gave the person who requested a hitman a longer sentence than the two who committed the murder (24, v 16 and 20 years respectively).
I upvoted you, by the way, in case you thought it was me who downvoted.
Wow! When you put it that way he's basically a political prisoner. BRB going to set up a gofundme for this sweet misunderstood angel.
wat
Pretty sure anyone claiming to be that just likes torture, and monkeys are the closest they can get to humans without facing way more prison time.
Pretty much this. They're about two steps removed from actual serial killer tendencies - I'm betting more than a few of these guys wound up needing a fresh pair of underwear after making a video, if you get me.
If this was an onion headline I'd think it's maybe a little too outlandish to be believable.
Dude literally just crushed monkeys for... Profit? What in the nine hells would compel a person to do that. To pay to see it??
I’ve heard of KittenCrush, but not MonkeyCrush… I think the KittenCrush folks are also in prison.
:( oh noes
Somehow it gets worse with every sentence
"torture, murder, and sexually sadistic mutilation of animals" it gets worse
WHAT THE FUCK. 5 YEARS?!
FOR SEXUALLY ABUSING, TORTURING, AND MUTILATING ANIMALS FOR PROFIT?!
And of course hes a MAGAt. Fucking soulless, worthless cumstains on the fabric of society.
Distributing 500 grams of cocaine? 5 year prison sentence.
Distributing 5 grams of cocaine cut with baking soda? 5 year prison sentence.
Sexually abusing, mutilating, and slaughtering animals in the most sadistic methods imaginable? 5 year prison sentence.
American criminal justice system is extremely normal.
white conservatives get slapped on the wrist no matter how egregious their crimes.
And yet they still scream about “Woke”. I guess a part of their subconscious is self aware.
Do they scream Woke still?
I thought they moved on to DEI?
*Up to 5 years. So probably 2 with good behaviour.
I could have done without knowing that this was a thing. What a fucking world.
I already knew that animal torture communities were present, especially on YouTube where they seem to focus mainly on feeding random animals to large snakes, so the news is welcome to me because it's one less thing to feel sad about. I hope those people continue getting exposed and charged for their crimes.
You see, sometimes you see some fucked up shit in a movie and you think "oh ok, this is just for the sake of story, there's no way this has ever happened in real life"
Then you read an article like this.
How... How do you even come back from this? Is there any hope these people can get rehabilitated? I'm struggling to believe the answer is anything other than "NO."
I don't think there is.
I'd like to understand the physical and mental variations between the relatively normal population at large and these cretins, just to see if it's lead poisoning or what, but I'd pay tax money to let them eat nutrient loaf behind bars forever.
I say just do to them what they did to the animals.
That's problematic, you'll have to find the same kind of people and pay them.
Rather just terminate them.
Nah, you just put them up against each other, Thunderdome style, then execute the winner.
I don't like the idea of doing things their way, even by their own hands.
Just chair or gallows or something like that.
I think the same about Azeri war criminals (basically their entire army) too, for example.
On one hand I understand that society needs to be better than those it punishes.
On the other hand I'm wondering if we hit the hunger games or the running man first...
The sort of shit a 12 year old would come up with in a video game in an attempt to shock one's friends made manifest IRL by grown ass adults.
These people need watching for the rest of their lives to make sure they're not a serial killer in training because they're totally a serial killer in training.
Serial killers always escalate this is what they do they start off being cruel to animals and then it goes from there. These people can be stopped before they get anywhere else.
What. The. Fuck.
Monkey. Torture. Enthusiast.
Never thought I'd see those words together in a row.
There is a lengthy BBC article that went into the discovery of this network. Thank journalists. Without journalists this network would likely be alive, well, and thriving. Journalists infiltrated the group and started passing info to the authorities.
When people lament the loss of journalism, catching people like this is what we are losing.
The Investigation.
investigative journalism is the UV light to the problems in society.
Which is why those in power have done everything they can to buy up these journalism outlets and destroy their investigative teams.
It's painful to see. And obvious the motivations.
You've just criticised someone for "sticking their nose in" and now you're defending investigative journalism?
You really live up to your username.
You are a special kind of stupid, arent you?
Explain the difference using pictures then please..
It sounds unreal. Like, it looks like it's the name of a punk band, not an accurate description of a human that exists.
Planet Earth
This psycho is only facing 5 years in prison?! Yikes
Nuke us from orbit, it’s the only way to be sure
I second that.
Working on waking up the Old Ones over here, will speed up.
Depending on the monkey or ape species I feel like this is on par with torturing human babies or young toddlers. They’re completely helpless and as intelligent and self-aware.
What the fuck
Yeah, what the fuck
Yeah, seriously. Reading that kinda fucked up my evening. Fuck that guy.
I guess it doesn't really matter how big of a shitter I am on my life, I'll always be outshines by a professional piece of shit like this.
It's not gonna stop me from wanting to improve myself and helping those around me as best I can. Peace
Five years in prison for that is a joke.
Wow, I’m shocked that somebody doing such horrible things would take the time to support “states’ rights” as well!
…well, not that shocked.
Definitely a trump poster to the right of that, you can see the edge of it.
I will not lie, I did not click the article.
I am so sick of reading about these types, lol. :)
The Confederacy: Where states have rights and people don't.
But what about corporations, precious?
Well, aesthetically there is a perception of "states' rights" which doesn't feel so ghoulish. I live in Russia, so outright racism is both less visible and more casual here, and I don't have most of emotional and social associations with this flag Americans have.
Point being - there's "Firefly" series, there are Jabiim rebels in Star Wars (and a few other "bad guys against the Republic" groups which them became "good guys against the Empire"), and maybe something else definitely using the association with Confederates in a kinda positive way.
EDIT: I mean, in his case it's just that cowards usually feel the need to use symbols associated with toughness for them. Or torture animals.
Monkey torture enthusiasts? This isn't about saving money on cosmetics testing or some shit, they literally just like torturing monkeys?????
Put them all in the Titan submersible and weld the doors shut before you send it down
Oddly enough, I'm both not sure you could weld the doors shut, since the body was not metal, and also not sure you'd need to, since apparently the only latch was on the outside.
Fun to imagine a cheeky octopus freeing the hatch.
This is what the deep state is distracting us from. The tentacles in the deep (deep state).
I've said and written deep so many times now it no longer seems like a word. Deep deep.
As that weird fat man on the airplane said,
"Deeper
Deeper"
No thank you. I've had enough internet for today.
Yup. I'm going to read hunter s thompsons book on hells angels and actually feel relaxed from that compared to what I just read
Who are the individuals paying to commission this torture?
Definitely needs to be some investigation into the ‘consumer’ here.
Not condoning prison vigilante/revenge behavior, but if this guy's fellow inmates find out what he did, and that is very easy to do, he may be in for a horrible time in prison. Not sure if he will be put into a 'special-cases' prison for his own safety or whether he'll just go straight to a general public prison.
He has really bad paperwork and fellow prisoners always find out what your paperwork is as soon as you land in your new prison. Torture of animals is among the worst things one can do.
Again, I'm not condoning any of this. It's just the reality this guy faces in American prisons
Yeah, there's usually two things that a lot of people in prisons hold sacrosanct: animals and kids.
That extends to women as well, to a certain degree.
Posted from your Chinese slave labor built electronic device.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/036/647/Screen_Shot_2021-03-01_at_2.28.39_PM.jpg
You really are the "Yet you participate" meme
keep fighting the power buddy! good work
Samsung literally builds tanks and howitzers. What the hell are you talking about? Unless they make a conscious effort about it, you are safer to assume that a company encourages unethical work practices, from mining the raw materials to selling the phone to customers.
https://www.scirp.org/journal/paperinformation?paperid=107498
https://www.defensenews.com/home/2016/07/25/india-s-l-t-samsung-team-up-for-700-million-howitzer-deal/
There's also the fact that Samsung is effectively a large chunk of the SK government. Just like how the Yakuza used to have a lot of power over elections in Japan, the government in South Korea has been effectively captured entirely by corporations in the country. Nothing happens without their say-so.
lol. Calls everyone a hypocrite but doesn’t know DICK about Samsung. Motherfucker!
lol. Found the militant vegan.
As someone who consumes meat products, you are right.
I think there are other more modest proposals then quitting meat.
Be a part of the solution!
I've yet to see a proposal more convincing to me than just avoiding animal products altogether. Don't get me wrong, I used to enjoy things like meat, dairy and eggs, but I realized the cost far outweighed my own pleasure.
yeah all the data is out there for why its better for you, the planet, and the animals that live on it, and i find it strange to not find veganism "modest" enough. going vegan was the easiest major lifestyle change i've ever made, and beans are cheaper than meat.
the only time i have problems being vegan is when someone else makes it a problem, and for some reason people really like to respond to any mention of veganism with hostility. but also those same people love animals and hate animal abuse.
The reason people react strongly to veganism is twofold:
There are many vegans that are very "in your face," much in the same way that evangelical Christianity can be pushed too far. "You're either with me or you are a terrible person."
Some think that a vegan's decision to avoid animal products automatically means that the same vegan is passing judgement on those who still consume animal products.
3 reasons
People don't like being reminded they are in the wrong.
I've noticed that too lol. People generally don't like to have their beliefs challenged, especially if it's about something they enjoy doing. Hell I know I struggled with it when considering giving up animal products and dairy specifically, but I'm so glad I did!
the part i struggled with most is realizing that everyone i know just doesn't care about animals enough to stop eating their favorite sandwiches, the rest is pretty straightforward. keep on fightin the good fight
Dairy and eggs don’t kill animals in a cruel way. It’s animal exploitation yes but who amongst us aren’t exploited?
I think we have fundamentally different outlooks on animal agriculture. It seems like your position may be based on the idea that animals used for milk and eggs are treated well, live long natural lives and are killed at the end of their lives when they would have died naturally.
I wish this were the case.
Animals used for milk and egg production live a small percentage of their potential lifespan. The effects on dairy cows of repeatedly being impregnated, giving birth, producing enormous quantities of milk, and going through the cycle again takes a harsh toll on their bodies. It's normal for a dairy cow to only endure 4 or 5 cycles of this before they literally cannot physically continue, at which point they're no longer profitable and are sold for slaughter. Similarly for egg-laying hens, the stress and mineral demand of ovulating multiple times a day means that they rarely live past two years. For the males of these breeds, it's even worse. Male chickens of the egg-laying breeds are mostly useless to the industry, so they are killed immediately after hatching, usually by way of an industrial macerator or gas chamber. Male calves might live to 8 months to be slaughtered for veal, but if there's no market for veal they are frequently killed immediately after birth.
Modern egg laying chickens and dairy cows are man-made breeds far removed from their natural wild counterparts. Hens trace their lineage to red jungle fowls, who naturally will have a single clutch of roughly 12 eggs once a year. Selective breeding has increased this amount to once a day, sometimes even more. The extreme pressure on their reproductive system frequently causes health issues like egg yolk peritonitis, cloacal prolapse, and osteoporosis. Similarly with modern dairy cows, bovine mastitis, udder sores and infections are common due to our selective breeding to maximize milk yields. Even otherwise healthy animals face grueling lives because they're part of a species that was selectively engineered for one purpose: profit.
Modern animal agriculture is overwhelmingly inhumane, which is why livestock animals are almost always excluded from animal abuse legislation. Ignoring the above points about how they've been selectively bred and are worked to exhaustion, investigations into egg and dairy farms have found absolutely shocking treatment. If you have the stomach for it, they're worth watching to understand the scope of animal abuse that is commonplace in our society.
Yeah, because buying eggs at the supermarket is bushcraft survival training
You never seen an egg laid without a shell because of the stress the chicken is under huh?
Dairy is produced by a cow being forcibly raped, kept pregnant, her milk stolen, and her babies torn away from her. It is cruel
I hope we have a swift solution.
How about you let people eat what they want to eat and you just worry about yourself.
well yeah but they taste bad if you let them get old
I disagree with you but that is an informative graph. I knew egg laying chickens were killed before they were a year old but 5 months is wild.
the vast majority of make dairy calves are brought to full weight before slaughter: 18-20 months
that chart is all lies. none of those animals have a natural lifespan that long
Their user name is MilitantVegan.
Do you genuinely think they have ever, in their entire life, been capable of keeping their nose out of other peoples business?
I'm not even vegan by myself, but saying other people's business when it's not about things people do for themselves without harming anyone but killing animals is… really weird.
Yeah, that bullshit "i'm not a vegan, I'm just gonna say vegan things" act wont pass here.
Also, I love how you are trying to claim something that a significant portion of all animal life on the planet does is "weird".
Like, maybe thats a you problem, bro.
If we're going by names then, well...
Oh, absolutely not. I just wanted people to see how they will respond to a reasonable request.
my moneys on calling you a murderer, lol
Says the motherfucker with a Samsung phone.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/facebook/000/036/647/Screen_Shot_2021-03-01_at_2.28.39_PM.jpg
Be better
lol. Psycho.
Don't you love how when it's an animal they don't eat they're outraged, but animal agriculture is a-okay for no reason at all, and we're just militant vegans? Lol. Carnists.
Monkey torture network WTF
I presume it's owned by Fox.
Vince McMahon would be into it given his long and storied history of brutality against his staff.
Put these people to death themselves. No redeeming value for net of them.
I'm against cruel and unusual punishments... but in this case, subjecting them to their own torture devices seems appropriate.
...In public
Definitely disagree. It's disgusting, but something being disgusting to me doesn't make it wrong. And honestly, I eat pork, so I don't think I really have a leg to stand on with criticizing the torture of intelligent animals
Out of curiosity, have you personally looked into how pigs (especially factory farmed) are raised and slaughtered?
Yeah, its not very humane.
Sadly not. If you're interested in cutting back support for these industries, I'd be happy to throw you some recommendations for alternatives. Just let me know what country you're in and what you like to eat!
I'd be more interested in resources about the ethics/intelligence of pigs. Because, tbh my whole belief(that might be cope) is just that I've not really been convinced these animals are something who's life I value. And I can't complain about whether an animals being mistreated if I am fine with thousands of the same animal being slaughtered for people's pleasure, whether or not the time leading up to slaughter is humane.
Here's a good reference on the sentience of animals: https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/our-campaigns/sentience/#:~:text=Animal%20sentience%20means%20that%20animals,always%20know%20what%20they%20are.
Thanks but tbh it seems like they're not really presenting evidence- just making a claim. But maybe I looked in the wrong article. Also, they compared to dogs but I'm not really convinced to care about dog lives either.
Why do you value the lives of other humans? If it's intelligence that's the metric, then why value babies or mentally handicapped people? If it's their ability to feel sadness, pain and fear, then all land animals we eat have shown those same characteristics.
It's not about the ability to feel an emotion but maybe it's a lot of things. I know for a fact just the capacity to complexly communicate (with humans) would be a primary one. And so, I would say I value babies lives less to some extent.
Oof what a piece of shit. I'd say hurting animals for profit is just the lowest of the low but I guess as a meat eater I better shut up lol
There's a difference between killing and torturing.
You can absolutely make that distinction, but speaking as another meat eater, it's not really a given that factory farming is more like one than the other
That's on the factory farms (and the non existing government regulations) though.
Yes, but you can expect that what these people do is closer to torture, and what factories do is further from it, because for them graphic torture is the main criterion, and for factory farming profit from selling meat is the main criterion.
Animals used for meat are tortured. They call the rack they tie the cows to for mating to keep them pregnant and producing milk the rape rack.
Industrially farmed livestock is tortured, but not all meat comes from industrial farms.
I'm sure the deer meat I get from my brother wasn't tortured. As in I'm 100% sure it was not.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/food/articles/vegan_vs_flexitarian
I can't agree. I think getting killed for food is torture. The deer wants to live.
But you thinking red is blue won't make it so.
Torture has an actual definition.
It isn't killed for food. These animals have to be killed to protect the environment. Humans have replaced apex species, and if we don't keep up population control, the deer overpopulate and destroy the whole ecology.
Why should you waste the meat?
And the way they're shot, they will literally be dead before they can even hear the bang of the weapon (bullets travel faster than sound.)
So where exactly is the "torture" in that, and can you not see that taking such an absolute position is absolutely indirectly devaluing the actual animal cruelty going on in industrial farms.
Postulating that members of a species should be shot because they otherwise destroy the environment is thin fucking ice as a human lol
I don't think you understand the meaning of that word.
Ecological Impacts of High Deer Densities
And in a simpler form https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deer_management
Animals are not food, they have a right to live like anyone else. Hunting is cruel and factory farming is cruel, and all the nonsense of pasture raised animal agriculture is also cruel, and all the carnists mental gymnastics about how one is ok and the other is not is absurd. There's no good reason we should murder animals.
Everything on this planet is food ... including us. Every single thing on this planet eventually is food for something else. It's not cruelty, it's not evil, it's not barbarism, it's not wrong, it is life on planet Earth. Eating food does not have to come with torture. There is a gigantic difference and it is important to make that distinction, otherwise we will rip ourselves and this planet to pieces.
Animals literally are food.
All animals are. And we too, are animals.
For what, that's a different question. Literally every living thing gets consumed by other living things as a part of nature. Well, putting aside "artificial" things like being blasted to dust in a furnace, and even then, you can be used to fertilise plants, meaning another living thing is consuming you.
Just how naive do you have to be to think that nothing should ever die, or if it does, that it should never be consumed by another living thing? That's illogical and crazy.
So... you would rather destroy whole environments, entire species, than accept that hunting is necessary? Because it is. It's necessary for the environment and it saves lives (because overpopulated deer cause more accidents because of constant migration and just the sheer amount of them.)
You don't understand what the word "murder" means.
This sort of absolutism is exactly why veganism has such a poor rep.
It's clearly a personal thing for you. This is part of your identity, but not something you've actually researched or thought about. It shows from the way you use expressions like "carnist mental gymnastics" while not being able to accept literally unchangeable facts of nature and crying that a deer who lived in the wild was equally tortured as a livestock animal who may have lived their entire lives without being able to even turn around in their cage.
You're about as good for animals and equally ironic as PETA.
When people warn you about the ideas they associate yourself with, this is what they're talking about.
This is one of the rare occassions when I hope the afterlife is real and what people say about near-death experiences is real. I want these motherfuckers to feel the full horror of what they've done.
You don't find these people on the other political side. You find them on that side. It's a categorical divide, those who use empathy correctly, and those who pretend to suppress it and instead become obsessed with witnessing pain. You know they're all cowards, the shit-my-pants-in-fear kind. Reduced to snot and tears the second the bad cop comes in. Just so incredibly weak and no amount of manmode posturing could ever hide it.
This is your own interpretation.
Do not get it twisted. There are people that exist who absolutely do not have the capacity for empathy. They are not simply suppressing it.
Death penalty would be appropriate here. I'm not a believer in general but what else can you do with this human trash?
Throw him to the monkeys.
Those monkey torture videos on youtube had some very disgusting comments, I'm glad I don't get these people at all.
Thousands of years ago smoke machine kicks on
Buried deep in our DNA are these types of people, and I've often thought of exactly why. Back in the jungle our species was born in, we NEEDED shitters. The original battle royal called nature was a harsh mistress, and we carefully evolved these types to carry us through the dark ages.
Sociopaths: to help manipulate the tribe into staying together
Psychopaths: to kill to defend the tribe
General Anxiety Disorders: to stay alert for threats to the tribe
Depression: to keep the tribe realistic about existing on planet earth
Personality disorders: to unlock the creativity it takes to get out of sticky situations
Schizophrenia: to give a sense of higher purpose to the tribe through delusions of grandeur
And so on. Plus when selecting for certain genes to keep the tribe strong, there will be unintended consequences.
I hope yall enjoyed my very unscientific ramblings about this.
dna: mutates randomly
lemmy comments: This is a grand plan to help our survival as a species! without monkey torture we wouldn't have made it through the before times!
nb: I did enjoy the unscientific fan fiction, please subscribe me to more evolutionary psychology facts
Evolution isn't a plan, its the result of the RaNdOm MuTaTiOnS. Which sometimes proved useful for the survival of the being that mutated, allowing them to pass on that gene. The above comment is speculating reasons that those particular mutations might have helped them and therefore allowed them to live to breed.
appreciate the ATHF reference.
At the same time that I'm not surprised this stuff is on YouTube, I'm shocked at how brazen the criminals are to upload this shit to a public website.
We'd think the way these things operate are all Hollywood style, deep-web websites with passwords, 7 proxies, invitations and initiations to "join the club"
Well geez, I guess sometimes it's just Telegram Groups and fucking YouTube.
And let me guess, YouTube is moving at an snail's pace when it comes to removing the videos and banning the channels uploading them, eh?
What the fuck what the fuck what the fuck
Five years for this sick shit.
This makes me root for Planet of the Apes
This is truly sadistic behaviour. Considering how close they are to humans as well...
I think I last heard the words "monkey torture" in the 'Barry Lutz Show' sketch by The State in 1994. Can't find a copy of it on YouTube, ebaumsworld has a copy but it didn't want to load for me and the site itself is ad heavy - direct link to the .flv should work but might not play natively in browser. To be clear, the video link is a comedy bit about psychologically torturing monkeys and doesn't show or inflict any harm to any.
I don't have anything meaningful to add to the discussion about the IRL monkey abuse so I'm hoping to inject a little bit of levity to an otherwise terrible subject.
Not sure why you’re getting downvoted, I thought of the same thing.
I want to see them make little edible luggage, because that does sound good. I have the DVD box set, and a friend of mine whom I used to date and I bonded over The State when we met in 2014. Terrific stuff.
Pretty wild how most of that troupe had successful careers in entertainment even outside of stuff they did together. I'm glad at least a couple other people remember the show fondly :)
what the actual fuck.
Well, if you really don't think about it, I was threatened with 20 years for bud, so this sentence checks out.
Retards excitingly writing about ghouls, nothing new.
A bit similar to how "against the system" Americans watch RT, which is literally Russian state propaganda, adapted for international audience.
But TG is not even pretending to be secure, to be fair to them. So I don't understand why.
...what part of Virginia
Can we bring in eye for an eye executions? Like not for everyone but when you're such a horrible disgusting soulless monster and you do something on the level of this, can we do the same to them, slowly.
Simple execution or jail doesn't seem fitting for people like this.
No. It does nothing to prevent these crimes from happening (let alone undo the damage) and you can't say "this act is immoral and worthy of deliberately slow, cruel death... unless I do it then it's fine". It's nothing more than bloodlust, leaving you with more in common with people buying monkey torture videos than with a genuinely good person.
Eh, I wouldn't want to lower myself to the standards of a horrible POS.
Why not? I mean like, personally not a fan of monkey torture, but I also eat pigs so idk if what I do is that much better.
What's wrong with people...? Jeez
Elon Musk was charged?
Monkey torturing. Not monkey fucking.
Uhh you see ""torture, murder, and sexually sadistic mutilation of animals" i wouldn't rule that out... i hate that i read that article
So to be clear, you want this person killed because, over the course of his life in prison, they might cost you a dollar or two in taxes?
I know he's a piece of shit but that's not exactly a path of moral high ground. "Murder is wrong, unless it costs me a tiny amount of money, in which case fuck yeah let's go".
If this were a just world, this dude would be left in the gorilla enclosure to find himself at the mercy of a bigger mammal and get beaten to death. But life's not fair, so let's penny-pinch: is this guy worth anything to society? No. Will his continued existence (when he is allowed to be free again) be beneficial? No. Is his continued existence in prison more expensive than a bullet? Yes. So let's just pull the trigger and move on.
Sometimes you need to cut your losses. This one was fucked up. Take it out the back and dump it in the trash.
And should we apply this same "your life is only tolerated if you're worth something to society" to, for example, the severely disabled? I just want to be absolutely clear about who you think it's better to murder.
No you don't, you just want me to give you enough arguments to make your case. Which wouldn't be necessary if you had a case at all.
It's interesting that you think disabled people are worth nothing to society. I guess you've never of Stephen Hawking, Stevie Wonder or Michael J. Fox? Or maybe you've heard of them, but think they've brought nothing to society? Or maybe you're aware of them and acknowledge their impact, but you still think you're better than them, just because they're disabled. Yeah, option 3 sounds like you. Cunt.
Gotta claw back that moral high ground after openly advocating that someone is killed huh? People should know what your opinions are before they agree with you on the internet.
This is fantastic because you've actually just named 3 people with disabilities you find acceptable because they're famous, leaving out the millions of people who aren't -- one of whom is me, which makes your indignation at being asked even more delicious.
So we still don't actually know if there's a threshold of disability that you consider better off murdered rather than costing you your precious pennies. It's not like the 3 people you named were non-verbal and in need of constant state care, they're just 3 disabled people with more money than you.
Oh shit sounds like I've made your "okay to shoot in the head" list.
I'm not sure where you think the moral high ground is, but there's nobody for me to claw it back from - or at least certainly not you. I'm amazed you've even heard of it, because you've obviously never seen it considering that I'm advocating for killing people who are leading an animal abuse group, while you're literally saying people are worthless because they're disabled.
I'm skipping the middle paragraphs but I'm gonna assume you realized you Freudian slipped your way into showing you're an ableist cunt, so now you're trying to prove you're not, or that I'm the bigger asshole, or some sort of last ditch attempt to make yourself sound reasonable. "Haha I'm not a dipshit I was trolling all along" style. As if anyone in their right mind is just going to skip past the fact that you're suggesting disabled people are worthless to society.
You've gone through this entire conversation the wrong way, tbh. This is what happens when you try to put words in people's mouths to make your shitty arguments, you reveal your own thought process along the way. Let's go through it just to be clear: you obviously made the cunt list, because you're being an ableist cunt. But you seem to think the cunt list is the same as the "okay to shoot" list, and that's on you again. Because just like your previous "disabled people are worthless" opinion, it says more about you than me.
Oh well if I've literally said that, it should be easy enough for you to copy and paste a quote.
You mean the part where I told you I'm disabled? That's certainly the most convenient part to skip if you want to keep calling a disabled person a cunt while pretending to not know the difference between "someone asked if this was my opinion" and "that is definitely what the person who asked thinks".
Well I asked you to clarify who you deemed "valuable to society" and you threw a massive virtue-signalling tantrum instead, so maybe it's not on me at all.
it costs more money to kill him though
How much to just torture him for awhile?
Depends on how often he lands in solitary I guess but probably less?
So you want to pay even more taxes to give the death sentence?
Or is banishing to somewhere good enough for you?
If you read past the headline you would know he helped take it down from the inside, he's remorseful.
Or wanted a deal.