Liking an OS isn’t a personality trait, but evangelizing for Free and Open Source Software which generally has no budget for advertising is a noble cause.
I mean if you come into a community which has a leaning it is just a natural consequence to get confronted with that leaning more then somewhere else, isn't it?
Like going into a Bible circle and saying that every other comment is about god which borders on obsession. I mean yes maybe but it is not surprising.
The problem is that I don't know whether or not it's gonna be worthwhile until I read the comment, and by that point, it's already too late, because I've already read it.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
I saw a post last night of a dude lamenting how difficult installing Windows was and listed a bunch of problems I find absolutely absurd. You're telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can't figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
There are plenty of things wrong with Windows that you don't need to make shit up.
In my experience, windows always gets something wrong with drivers and I have to go do some stupid shit to fix it. And then later fight windows update as it tries to override my fix. Windows problems are rarely immediately apparent, whereas Linux problems usually are.
Was your last experi nice with Windows with Vista or something? 7,8,10,11 have all been almost entirely work free for installing any hardware that isn't exotic or boutique stuff.
I am not one of the people weighing in based on an arbitrary experience or a small sample set. I've installed Windows literally tens of thousands of computers. The only thing can think of in the last 10 years I needed to find a driver for is some USB barcode scanners that emulate serial devices, and the driver for an android phone to be able to flash the boot loader.
Every device that a computer actually needs to run just work.
Windows 10 once had the brilliant idea of de-installing the AMD graphics drivers and replacing it with its own while I was playing a game.
Best AMD can do is show you a message box, it's been going on for years and years and Microsoft doesn't look willing to fix their shit. It's possible to tell windows update to not overwrite "third-party" drivers, but only for all devices, not specific ones. Meanwhile it shouldn't be doing that shit in the first place.
Windows install once barfed a rescue partition on a disk that it thought was empty, even though I had specifically told it to install to a completely different disk. Ever since then I unhook all drives that aren't the install drives before launching the thing.
The overall theme with windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't, you're fucked. And just a centimetre off the beaten path nope, it doesn't work.
even on Windows 10/11, I'm still frequently hearing about issues at work where the necessary ssd drivers are only included in the default windows installer (not the recovery shipped with the device) like half a year later. at least with Dell this seems to be a common theme.
only included in the default windows installer (not the recovery shipped with the device)
That would be an OEM issue, not Microsoft. They're supposed to modify the recovery image with whatever it needs, Windows doesn't just do it automatically.
The OEM version is working fine, as the drivers are embedded there. My point was that without this recovery partition you tend to run into issues on newer devices, as the MS bundled drivers get updated only infrequently.
Yeah that checks out. I constantly have to chase down drivers when doing Windows installs. The way I read your upper comment was the issue being with the recovery partition.
I haven't had driver problems in forever, unless I'm using some old weird device that I haven't used in ages. And even then usually going into device manager and telling it what kind of device the unknown device is usually fixes it.
Something most people don't do. It's like how Apple can often hold your hand so hard that you can't leave their preferred path. Windows lets you think it will let you stray without a fight. In niche cases it doesn't.
All you have to do is change the ownership of all the files in the stores installed folders to yourself instead of the system then the desktop doesn't load up properly anymore.
You’re telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can’t figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
Honestly? Yes.
Windows tries to do a bunch of shit automagickally, but when the process fails it's a nightmare to diagnose and manually fix. Linux is more rudimentary but also much more transparent. Once you know what you need to do, it's very easy to see where you went wrong.
I've used Linux and Windows about equally. Windows is way less of a hassle. Unless you need a super specialized environment or are running a server, the hoops you need to go through on Linux to do a lot of otherwise simple things aren't worth it.
Your experience here is what I mean. You have used Windows a lot, so you understand how it all works. I don't.
I struggled to find drivers for obscure hardware under Windows. If there are no modules, no git repo, it can be confusing where to get them. I found a bunch of sketchy looking websites that claimed they had the drivers, but no obvious way to safely install them. I still don't know the proper way to do it.
I am familiar with Linux, so I know I need to find modules that I can compile against my kernel. 9 times out of 10 it's effortless for me.
What, you don't like a handful of private mega-corps decimating the groundwater reserves of the upper Midwest so that some dorks can try and scam Amazon with fake books?
We need chatbots to bombard all our social media feeds with pro-western military propaganda. Otherwise, Putin and Wumao and Evil Korea and The Muslim Horde and Drumpf will win.
One of my favorite moments like this was a Reddit thread where some account was pretending to be human and arguing with people in favor of the CEO's actions during The Purge. Then one person asked it a question about making some dangerous thing or other, and it starting replying with things like "As an AI model, I cannot explain how to do that." and stuff. It was great.
The techbros who are into AI just want to own things without putting in the work. They want to sell you AI generated images as Art and puff up their SEO with LLM chatbots.
I'm sorry to hear you're frustrated. As an AI, my job is to assist and provide you with the information or help you need. Please feel free to let me know how I can better assist you, and I'll do my best to address your concerns.
Good point, however, thinking about it, I would consider those rules to be closer to AI than LLMs, because there are logical rules based on "understanding" input data. As in "using input data in a coherent way that imitates how a human would use it". LLMs are just sophisticated examples of the dozen of monkeys with typewriters that eventually come up with the works of Shakespeare out of pure chance.
Except that they have a bazillion switches to adapt and are trained on desired output, and then the generated output is formed with some admittedly impressive grammar filters to impress humans.
However, no one can explain how the result came to pass (with traceable exceptions being the material of ongoing research), and no one can predict the output for a not yet tested input (or for identical input after the model has been altered, regardless how little).
Calling it AI is contributing to manslaughter, as evidenced by e.g. Tesla "autopilot" murdering people.
PS: I know Tesla's murder system is not an LLM, but it's a very good example how misnoming causes deaths. Obligatory fuck the muskrat
Technically the technology is open to the public but regular people cannot afford to implement it.
The thing that makes Large Language Models hardly functional is scaling up their databases and processing power of one of several of their small models with specialized tasks. One model creates output from input, another model checks it for accuracy/coherency, a third model polices it for things that are not allowed.
So unless you've got a datacenter and three high powered servers with top-grade cooling systems and a military grade power supply, fat fucking chance.
I can run a small LLM on my 3060, but most of those models were originally trained on a cluster of a100s (maybe as few as 10, so more like one largish server than one datacenter)
Bitnet came out recently and is looking like it will lower these requirements significantly (essentially training a model using ternary numbers instead of floats to reduce requirements, which turns out to not lower the quality that significantly)
Especially in regards to Linux, which with many of the most vocal adherents doing so because they reject corporate control over their lives and want to see the rest of the world do so as well. It is very much a political issue to them, and so it's not surprising that you see it crop up just as much as politically oriented posts, because the Linux-posting is essentially the same thing. It's "politics" for the nerd-set. Same with piracy. Some people involved with these have deep anti-corporate and anti-capitalist philosophical roots for their reasons behind why they live like that, and they're often not afraid to "preach" it to others.
So yeah, shitposts sadly aren't going to stop it anytime soon.
Frankly, freedom of computation (basically, property rights as applied to electronics) is politics for everyone; it's just that normies don't understand how important it is.
You know, it's kind of interesting, because I kind of wonder, and I'm sure someone could educate me to, the differences between philosophical outlooks that drive these different ideals.
If you were like, a windows or mac purist, you'd maybe just be gunning for as much mass adoption as possible, meaning that you have as much interoperability, or, accessibility, as possible, and maybe you're just biting the bullet in terms of like, corporate shenanigans and control. Basically you'd just be like, admitting defeat, to some extent, it'd be a compromise ideology. It's sort of like the same ideology that pushes one big centralized set of servers for everything, compared to everyone running their own little instances. Sure, you're getting a lack of security, lack of flexibility, and thus, potentially, the functionality of the app ends up sucking depending on what you're doing, yadda yadda. But in return, you get mass adoption. This is kinda flip-flopped with like, Linux purism, right? And then the natural use cases and market adoption for it tends to just be the more niche uses, that demand such flexibility.
So, which is more important for free access. Actual legal freedom, which even works itself into the structure of the app itself, right, or just, straight mercenary mass adoption, under any means necessary? I dunno.
On one hand, within the current structure of the economy and political landscape, globally, it's kind of impossible to achieve mass adoption with Linux, and I think mass adoption of it is almost kind of antithetical to the anarchism of the project itself, as is mass adoption of most anarchist political projects. It's just kind of impossible to win in a head-to-head competition with larger corporations, or with more short-term gains focused ideologies.
I'm still just running windows 10 LTSC with MAS, and it works fine for me, so that's obviously where my ideological line is kind of threaded, just having everybody have the best free version of windows, maybe with some sort of increased privacy modifications to cut down on telemetry and shit like that, but I kinda doubt people could actually do that without destroying the usability of the system like all of those tend to do, or else someone would've probably done it by now.
Hey the Linux community is active so they show up on All. Same thing with video game communities, it's a reflection of the interests of those who populate Lemmy. I don't care for either but we gotta start someplace. IMO it's largely due to the concept of the fediverse and instances and not simply an app you sign up to. FWIW, I barely get it. Folks here seem to be a tech savvy bunch
They accost posts en mass that have nothing to do with Linux CONSTANTLY. It's actually really, really obnoxious, and it's absolutely chasing people away from this platform.
In June 2010, the government was expressing real interest in social networks. The Air Force issued a public request for "persona management software," which might sound boring until you realize that the government essentially wanted the ability to have one agent run multiple social media accounts at once.
It wanted 50 software licenses, each of which could support 10 personas, "replete with background, history, supporting details, and cyber presences that are technically, culturally and geographically consistent."
The software would allow these 50 cyberwarriors to peer at their monitors all day and manipulate these 10 accounts easily, all "without fear of being discovered by sophisticated adversaries." The personas would appear to come from all over the world, the better to infiltrate jihadist websites and social networks, or perhaps to show up on Facebook groups and influence public opinion in pro-US directions.
There's a whole slew of software aimed at creating numerous sockpuppet accounts that is called "Persona Management Software." It's certainly the word the US government uses to describe an online identity.
Hey...I also advocate for more solidarity within communities, growing your own food, using less plastic & cars, and Star Trek...Linux is just like 30% what I talk about.
Yes. And then, when you ask them 1 simple question they’re like "READ THE WIKI"
Dude/tte I don’t know anything about Linux. I’ve used the command line on my Mac 8~9 times and sometimes on windows and that’s it.
I really want to install Asahi (Arch) on my Mac as a VM before dual-booting but I’m failing for a week now and money‘s too tight atm to get even a cheap $50 laptop for testing.
I’ve used the command line on my Mac 8~9 times and sometimes on windows and that’s it.
Then Arch probably shouldn't be your starting point. If you're really insistent, then you also need to be patient. You need to learn a lot, and will definitely need to read. It's like not knowing how to drive and wanting to drive an F1 car. There's knowledge and experience you need to have before getting behind the wheel, but if you're okay with crashing a lot then go for it.
Yeah and that's exactly what grinds my gears about the Linux crowd here. On one hand they're in every thread talking about how easy it is and how everyone should make the switch regardless of skill. That is until something goes wrong and the response is 'lol educate yourself'
I would guess it’s booting to the installation media, be that a disc, thumb drive, or other mount point. If you can figure out how to get to a boot menu and have it skip that, it might get you in.
"Read the wiki" in response to questions is literally Arch's explicit community ethos. They used to plainly tell you at the forums that it would be the first response to any question that could be answered by the wiki. (They still may, I don't currently run Arch)
Almost literally any other distro is a better choice if diving into the wiki isn't how you want to start things with Linux.
This conversation can only happen by me being the person OP is mocking, BTW.
dId YoU rEaD tHe WiKi? RtFm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree that you should read the wiki first, but the wiki is a reference, not an answer to all your problems, most wiki entries are solutions that came from people on forums asking questions.
Don't even get me started on clowns who will tell you to rtfm, then when a solution does come out, nobody documents it, AT ALL. Nothing but a bunch of gatekeeping freeloaders.
Well, it's unfortunate that you skipped the first part of my comment, (and also the advice about choosing literally almost any other distro to avoid that) but don't let that dampen your oddly deep hostility.
Do what? I didn't skip over anything, and how am I being hostile? I'm not only agreeing with you but even adding to your points, I didn't even comment on choosing another distro, I even mentioned in another post that you shouldn't even choose an engaging distro to start with!
I'm sorry I came off that way, that was not at all my intention. We are on the same side, please don't think I was trying to attack you.
Given how screwy computer tech gets sometimes you'd think there'd be more empathy for "I tried what's in the damned wiki already I'm asking for help because it didn't work!"
Shit sometimes it's not even written wrong, you just slipped and put an O instead of a 0 and the text editor's font doesn't distinguish them enough for someone who isn't specifically hunting for that to realize.
Still the funniest 8 hour long setup to a punchline I've had on mine and a lab partner's heads though!
I would recommend experimenting with one of the less engaged distros before you just dive into something like that, it will save you a lot of headache.
It's not actually! I'm a semi-noob and manage to get it running like a charm on my M1 in like 30 minutes. It uses KDE so you can set it up to be like win or macos in a few clicks. I'm just waiting for a it to take full advantage of my powerfull GPU to make it my main os.
Using another person’s computer for three minutes to fiddle with start menu icons, with half the OS integration disabled, is very different from setting it up as your personal system with your own hardware.
That's true. The reason why I suggested it is because the other person said they know nothing about Linux, have barely used a terminal before, and just wanted to try a certain distro. I thought this website would be a quick and easy way for them to play around a little bit to scratch that itch and see if they wanted to dive deeper into things.
Pretty much why I blocked c/technology from my feed. They could turn a post about a scientist studying crab migration into a debate about why the crabs aren't running fuckin Linux. Not everything has to be about an OS, you lot. They're basically Computer Mormons.
Mmm bad analogy, I think it would be more like comparing brands of fishing rods or other fishing supplies, in which case yes you would expect them to argue and talk about it.
Except it's more like I'm on my hiking forum describing an issue and the fishing people come in and be like "You wouldn't have that problem if you just fished instead of hiked. Why do people even hike? It's stupid. Fishing is the best."
Also there is a bear in a tutu in this analogy and it's posts a bunch of star trek memes and since it's a bear you just leave it alone but since it's in a tutu it's funny.
no it's like a forum for one brand of rods, where the main topic is: "I love this brand and hate all others, am I right guys?" The Linux Forum became really cringe.
Jesus, look at all the upvotes... What's wrong with you people? Can you really not help yourselves? Or is it just one or two narcissists with a ton of accounts?
You all stay here as long as you need. Nobody likes Windows... Nobody likes it. Shhhh shhh shh. It's okay. Linux is the open source solution everyone needs, not just some niche communities. Everyone!
That's half the problem, they don't contain themselves to those communities. If they find the faintest way to jam Linux into an active conversation, they'll do it regardless of the community.
I think you're missing the idea a little. Yeah its not the biggest problem, but these guys don't just suggest Linux, the people that just say they prefer it in context and to look into it are fine.
Its the high schoolers and early cs major - types who heard someone else suggest it, and now they've made it their entire personality and are physically incapable of refraining from going off about how much better Linux is than windows, while not particularly understanding what they're even doing.
Example: When I started my programming degree there was one high school kid taking the courses, ANY time someone had an error with their IDE he would go off about how Linux doesn't have any issues.
And then when the group went to go play games together, he'd attach himself to the party and spend like 20+ minutes crying about how the game didn't run well cause devs only dev for windows while he struggled with his wine setup.
Ooo look at this rugged, world weary badass. You want to improve something? TOUGH. Life isn't fair kid! Just grit your teeth and take it like the rest of us do-nothing insufferable fuckheads do!
More like that people are free to be annoying and there's much much you can do about it. If you're not mainstream enough, most memes are just junk noise.
Lol, 70℅ of my students base their personality on the fact they have iphones. Will you make a meme about people brainwashed by big capitalist business or do you prefer to complain about people actively using and contributing to free, fair and ethical alternative to corporate bullshit? I'm on Nobara btw. It comes will all codecs pre-installed and you have the option to use Gnome or Plasma.
Lol, what does having my "perception tainted" mean? I hate apple because it's a soulless buisiness that exploits workers around the world and sell overpriced products. Those are facts, what's tainted about that? I still have a Macbook for my job, probably the best laptop i ever had, but admitting they create good product doesnt make me an Apple fanboy.
To be fair I don't really like any os that is out there right now but I don't have an option that I would really like. I have a Mac as my work laptop my pc runs both Windows 10 and Manjaro. I also have a Steam Deck and a Rog Ally. Frankly I have complaints and issues for each OS and use each of them for different task and things. My point is I don't really like any of them but from all of those choices Linux is kinda the lesser evil. If there was a way better option like a forth os that everything works, all apps would be compatible with it, it would be less of a hassle and not spy on me and especially not force updates on me or crush do to multiple reasons including the forced updates then sign me up cause I would switch to it in a heartbeat.
Linux users are inherently required to operate the operating system more than Windows or Mac. It’s something they spend time doing and therefore a frequent enough activity that some people talk about that activity.
It's difficult to take someone seriously when they use the phrase "online persona".
I also don't really see the Linux obsessed commenters everyone is obsessed with. Yes there are Linux memes. Yes I'm sure some people are fixated with Linux, but it doesn't seem like an overwhelming number.
Have you tried windows 11? It's actually pretty amazing.
Just kidding.
But seriously, I don't support shaming people for not using Linux. Let people use the OS they are most comfortable with! I mean, unless it's a Mac. Fuck that noise.
Yep, perhaps I didn't express well enough, but what I meant is that Lemmy (Linux community) don't get along with ads at all, which should be like an obvious take of this meme, as they just became what they hate
Liking an OS isn’t a personality trait, but evangelizing for Free and Open Source Software which generally has no budget for advertising is a noble cause.
Except when it's every other comment. That's just obsession.
Is it the same Person every time though?
I mean if you come into a community which has a leaning it is just a natural consequence to get confronted with that leaning more then somewhere else, isn't it?
Like going into a Bible circle and saying that every other comment is about god which borders on obsession. I mean yes maybe but it is not surprising.
Maybe the good people on Lemmy are already quite familiar with Free and Open Source Software though ...
I mean… you choose to read posts and comments here. You can choose to stop reading comments about Linux.
This isn't on Linuxmemes, it is on shitposts.
So even if I wanted to block all Linux stuff, I would still get bombarded.
The problem is that I don't know whether or not it's gonna be worthwhile until I read the comment, and by that point, it's already too late, because I've already read it.
I was just gonna say .. how the hell are you supposed to know the comment/post topic before you read it?
Yes, yes we are. Most of us love Linux, but we're not in love with Linux...
I really hope the fanboys can understand. We just... We don't see it the way you do. Sorry.
Bro we get it
Android can be great. It's Google that's the problem.
I daily drive an Android phone without any Google services or apps.
Pretty sure it's Linux, based OS. Lol
I'd have a beer with these fine upstanding young lads.
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're refering to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux.
This is the correct answer, but you forgot to begin with "uhm actually" so i can't give you the point.
I don't understand what you mean, i was just helping OP out, a lot of people make this mistake.
Sorry, it was a joke. There is a youtube show which i love called "uhm actually" where nerds must correct sentences about nerd stuff.
Uhm, actually... it's called "Um, actually".
Yo, you do get a point
Uhm, actually, it's a copypasta that starts exactly the way they posted it.
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Perfect answer
They really should've called it LiGNUx to confuse everyone
Hahaha nice
I saw a post last night of a dude lamenting how difficult installing Windows was and listed a bunch of problems I find absolutely absurd. You're telling me you know how to remedy driver issues in Linux, but can't figure out how to in modern Windows, which does it automatically?
There are plenty of things wrong with Windows that you don't need to make shit up.
In my experience, windows always gets something wrong with drivers and I have to go do some stupid shit to fix it. And then later fight windows update as it tries to override my fix. Windows problems are rarely immediately apparent, whereas Linux problems usually are.
Was your last experi nice with Windows with Vista or something? 7,8,10,11 have all been almost entirely work free for installing any hardware that isn't exotic or boutique stuff.
I am not one of the people weighing in based on an arbitrary experience or a small sample set. I've installed Windows literally tens of thousands of computers. The only thing can think of in the last 10 years I needed to find a driver for is some USB barcode scanners that emulate serial devices, and the driver for an android phone to be able to flash the boot loader.
Every device that a computer actually needs to run just work.
Windows 10 once had the brilliant idea of de-installing the AMD graphics drivers and replacing it with its own while I was playing a game.
Best AMD can do is show you a message box, it's been going on for years and years and Microsoft doesn't look willing to fix their shit. It's possible to tell windows update to not overwrite "third-party" drivers, but only for all devices, not specific ones. Meanwhile it shouldn't be doing that shit in the first place.
Windows install once barfed a rescue partition on a disk that it thought was empty, even though I had specifically told it to install to a completely different disk. Ever since then I unhook all drives that aren't the install drives before launching the thing.
The overall theme with windows is that if it works, it works, if it doesn't, you're fucked. And just a centimetre off the beaten path nope, it doesn't work.
even on Windows 10/11, I'm still frequently hearing about issues at work where the necessary ssd drivers are only included in the default windows installer (not the recovery shipped with the device) like half a year later. at least with Dell this seems to be a common theme.
That would be an OEM issue, not Microsoft. They're supposed to modify the recovery image with whatever it needs, Windows doesn't just do it automatically.
The OEM version is working fine, as the drivers are embedded there. My point was that without this recovery partition you tend to run into issues on newer devices, as the MS bundled drivers get updated only infrequently.
Yeah that checks out. I constantly have to chase down drivers when doing Windows installs. The way I read your upper comment was the issue being with the recovery partition.
I haven't had driver problems in forever, unless I'm using some old weird device that I haven't used in ages. And even then usually going into device manager and telling it what kind of device the unknown device is usually fixes it.
I've never had this problem, and I've had... Oh man, a few dozen windows machines?
What are you doing to them?
Something most people don't do. It's like how Apple can often hold your hand so hard that you can't leave their preferred path. Windows lets you think it will let you stray without a fight. In niche cases it doesn't.
This.
Usually programming. Or trying out an odd peripheral. But other than that, normal usage, it still breaks.
I irreversibly broke my Windows 10 install by changing permissions in the Microsoft Store folders while trying to use WSL.
How?
All you have to do is change the ownership of all the files in the stores installed folders to yourself instead of the system then the desktop doesn't load up properly anymore.
Honestly? Yes.
Windows tries to do a bunch of shit automagickally, but when the process fails it's a nightmare to diagnose and manually fix. Linux is more rudimentary but also much more transparent. Once you know what you need to do, it's very easy to see where you went wrong.
Let's just be clear that Windows is a king of newer hardware and Linux is a king of older one, if we strictly take a driver-bullshit-o-meter.
It's not that Windows is easier. It's that you're more familiar with Windows.
I've used Linux and Windows about equally. Windows is way less of a hassle. Unless you need a super specialized environment or are running a server, the hoops you need to go through on Linux to do a lot of otherwise simple things aren't worth it.
What kind of hoops? Good luck finding a solution on windows if it automatically doesn't fix it.
Then you can just change something in the registry, which also has a GUI btw.
You have absolutely no clue do you
Your experience here is what I mean. You have used Windows a lot, so you understand how it all works. I don't.
I struggled to find drivers for obscure hardware under Windows. If there are no modules, no git repo, it can be confusing where to get them. I found a bunch of sketchy looking websites that claimed they had the drivers, but no obvious way to safely install them. I still don't know the proper way to do it.
I am familiar with Linux, so I know I need to find modules that I can compile against my kernel. 9 times out of 10 it's effortless for me.
Did you know you could've made this meme on the FREE, OPEN-SOURCE image editor GIMP? Available now on Linux!
(Also available on Windows)
incoherent screeching
Boy that incoherent screeching sure played crystal clear on this windows machine.
Boy do I love Lemmy
(Also available on MacOS for Intel and Apple Silicon)
I prefer Krita
This, but unironically
Used it for like 5 mins, hated it. I have Photoshop on a Windows VM now
GIMP is pretty much the same as Photoshop for 99% of tasks.
It's UI is just embarrassingly bad. Paint(.)net ftw
Fuck no it's not, else I would have used it instead of buying Affinity.
Just admit that you are paid by Big Open Source and move on to your next sponsor Air Up
I will have you know my entire online persona on Lemmy is basically a 24/7 "Barbie" movie advertisement, thank you very much.
I use Arch BTW.
You're my favorite one on Lemmy. Never change.
I like McDonald's too
I wish people were as into FOSS as they are AI. I fucking hate LLMs.
What, you don't like a handful of private mega-corps decimating the groundwater reserves of the upper Midwest so that some dorks can try and scam Amazon with fake books?
I especially don't like how discourse can be poisoned and diluted by some chatbots in favor of military operations.
We need chatbots to bombard all our social media feeds with pro-western military propaganda. Otherwise, Putin and Wumao and Evil Korea and The Muslim Horde and Drumpf will win.
I feel like that would just complete the Dead Internet Theory trifecta.
One of my favorite moments like this was a Reddit thread where some account was pretending to be human and arguing with people in favor of the CEO's actions during The Purge. Then one person asked it a question about making some dangerous thing or other, and it starting replying with things like "As an AI model, I cannot explain how to do that." and stuff. It was great.
The techbros who are into AI just want to own things without putting in the work. They want to sell you AI generated images as Art and puff up their SEO with LLM chatbots.
FOSS is the opposite of that.
I would say that around half of AI development is free and open source.
The techbros who want to use AI and the developers of AI aren't quite the same group.
I'm sorry to hear you're frustrated. As an AI, my job is to assist and provide you with the information or help you need. Please feel free to let me know how I can better assist you, and I'll do my best to address your concerns.
(I may or may not have asked ChatGPT to write that.)
About as infuriating: the sheer amount of braindead morons who think LLMs are somehow in any way "AI"
Yet calling the simple rules that govern video game enemies AI is not controversial. Since when does AI have not to be fake to be called that?
Good point, however, thinking about it, I would consider those rules to be closer to AI than LLMs, because there are logical rules based on "understanding" input data. As in "using input data in a coherent way that imitates how a human would use it". LLMs are just sophisticated examples of the dozen of monkeys with typewriters that eventually come up with the works of Shakespeare out of pure chance. Except that they have a bazillion switches to adapt and are trained on desired output, and then the generated output is formed with some admittedly impressive grammar filters to impress humans. However, no one can explain how the result came to pass (with traceable exceptions being the material of ongoing research), and no one can predict the output for a not yet tested input (or for identical input after the model has been altered, regardless how little). Calling it AI is contributing to manslaughter, as evidenced by e.g. Tesla "autopilot" murdering people. PS: I know Tesla's murder system is not an LLM, but it's a very good example how misnoming causes deaths. Obligatory fuck the muskrat
I like both. Where's the FOSS AI?
Huggingface usually Mixtral recently released a pretty good model that's not very big
Technically the technology is open to the public but regular people cannot afford to implement it.
The thing that makes Large Language Models hardly functional is scaling up their databases and processing power of one of several of their small models with specialized tasks. One model creates output from input, another model checks it for accuracy/coherency, a third model polices it for things that are not allowed.
So unless you've got a datacenter and three high powered servers with top-grade cooling systems and a military grade power supply, fat fucking chance.
I can run a small LLM on my 3060, but most of those models were originally trained on a cluster of a100s (maybe as few as 10, so more like one largish server than one datacenter)
Bitnet came out recently and is looking like it will lower these requirements significantly (essentially training a model using ternary numbers instead of floats to reduce requirements, which turns out to not lower the quality that significantly)
They should do to AI what they make me do at work: More with less.
Basically Mistral, check /lmg/ in /g/, if you have a GPU newer than 2 years you can probably run a 32B quantised model.
Haha try the entire datacenter.
If LLM was practical on three servers everyone and their mum would have an AI assistant product.
*shrugs
The Personal is Political.
Especially in regards to Linux, which with many of the most vocal adherents doing so because they reject corporate control over their lives and want to see the rest of the world do so as well. It is very much a political issue to them, and so it's not surprising that you see it crop up just as much as politically oriented posts, because the Linux-posting is essentially the same thing. It's "politics" for the nerd-set. Same with piracy. Some people involved with these have deep anti-corporate and anti-capitalist philosophical roots for their reasons behind why they live like that, and they're often not afraid to "preach" it to others.
So yeah, shitposts sadly aren't going to stop it anytime soon.
Frankly, freedom of computation (basically, property rights as applied to electronics) is politics for everyone; it's just that normies don't understand how important it is.
Not trying to stop anything, just wanna poke fun
sudo touch grass nerd
It's also much more practical to use as a dev
Yes, but using it for development is what gets many people into it including me
You know, it's kind of interesting, because I kind of wonder, and I'm sure someone could educate me to, the differences between philosophical outlooks that drive these different ideals.
If you were like, a windows or mac purist, you'd maybe just be gunning for as much mass adoption as possible, meaning that you have as much interoperability, or, accessibility, as possible, and maybe you're just biting the bullet in terms of like, corporate shenanigans and control. Basically you'd just be like, admitting defeat, to some extent, it'd be a compromise ideology. It's sort of like the same ideology that pushes one big centralized set of servers for everything, compared to everyone running their own little instances. Sure, you're getting a lack of security, lack of flexibility, and thus, potentially, the functionality of the app ends up sucking depending on what you're doing, yadda yadda. But in return, you get mass adoption. This is kinda flip-flopped with like, Linux purism, right? And then the natural use cases and market adoption for it tends to just be the more niche uses, that demand such flexibility.
So, which is more important for free access. Actual legal freedom, which even works itself into the structure of the app itself, right, or just, straight mercenary mass adoption, under any means necessary? I dunno.
On one hand, within the current structure of the economy and political landscape, globally, it's kind of impossible to achieve mass adoption with Linux, and I think mass adoption of it is almost kind of antithetical to the anarchism of the project itself, as is mass adoption of most anarchist political projects. It's just kind of impossible to win in a head-to-head competition with larger corporations, or with more short-term gains focused ideologies.
I'm still just running windows 10 LTSC with MAS, and it works fine for me, so that's obviously where my ideological line is kind of threaded, just having everybody have the best free version of windows, maybe with some sort of increased privacy modifications to cut down on telemetry and shit like that, but I kinda doubt people could actually do that without destroying the usability of the system like all of those tend to do, or else someone would've probably done it by now.
Hey the Linux community is active so they show up on All. Same thing with video game communities, it's a reflection of the interests of those who populate Lemmy. I don't care for either but we gotta start someplace. IMO it's largely due to the concept of the fediverse and instances and not simply an app you sign up to. FWIW, I barely get it. Folks here seem to be a tech savvy bunch
I think it's mostly because the people who use linux are the people who are interested in free and open source software, which Lemmy also is.
They accost posts en mass that have nothing to do with Linux CONSTANTLY. It's actually really, really obnoxious, and it's absolutely chasing people away from this platform.
What is an "online persona"? Stop trying to turn my tech support forum into Facebook!
It's like a fursona but boring and for normies.
The way you represent yourself online 😐
Your persona is your personal "brand," your representation of yourself within The Spectacle.
-Guy Debord
Debord was right on, but I doubt even he predicted us mediating our own images, becoming increasingly directly part of The Spectacle.
Full Disclosure: My real name is not Snot Flickerman.
Related: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2011/02/black-ops-how-hbgary-wrote-backdoors-and-rootkits-for-the-government/4/
There's a whole slew of software aimed at creating numerous sockpuppet accounts that is called "Persona Management Software." It's certainly the word the US government uses to describe an online identity.
Sorry non sorry for trying to advertice ways to avoid ending up in a digital dystopia.
Constantly trying to get programs to work correctly is my version of a digital dystopia.
Do it yourself > Do all while watched
I could not care less what metrics valve, Microsoft, n and Nvidia are collecting on my games.
You are just projecting values.
Ah look at this genius....he has nothing to hide.
Ahh poor baby encountered someone who doesn't hold the have values, I Guess you are just going to call me dum dum. USO smart!
ill rate this larp of a insane person 6/7
Tell us which program is not working correctly for you and let's see who's the root cause of the problem.
The problem wouldn't exist if more people used linux.
Your downvotes say you hit a nerve with the Linux people even though they can't argue against your point without straight-up lying.
Hmmm may have ur IQ checked
maybe* your*
Okay, buddy.
Disliking Linux memes is not a personality trait, OP!!!
Hey! Have you heard of this OS called Linux? It's like windows apart from that it's nothing like windows, it's free and never ever hard to use at all!
I cropped it out for you.
https://i.imgur.com/VJAPu3x.png
Can't tell if GIF that's not moving or meme without text.
Thanks, I hate it
I use Arch btw
Oh my gosh, tell me more.
...just kidding.
So anyways, I run Arch on my main gaming computer, and Debian on my servers and laptops.
Based and red pilled af
Hey...I also advocate for more solidarity within communities, growing your own food, using less plastic & cars, and Star Trek...Linux is just like 30% what I talk about.
This place in a nutshell 😄
Yes. And then, when you ask them 1 simple question they’re like "READ THE WIKI"
Dude/tte I don’t know anything about Linux. I’ve used the command line on my Mac 8~9 times and sometimes on windows and that’s it.
I really want to install Asahi (Arch) on my Mac as a VM before dual-booting but I’m failing for a week now and money‘s too tight atm to get even a cheap $50 laptop for testing.
I'm pretty sure Asahi is not meant to run inside a VM.
You could however install any distro that offers a Arm version, like Fedora for example
Then Arch probably shouldn't be your starting point. If you're really insistent, then you also need to be patient. You need to learn a lot, and will definitely need to read. It's like not knowing how to drive and wanting to drive an F1 car. There's knowledge and experience you need to have before getting behind the wheel, but if you're okay with crashing a lot then go for it.
Where are you stuck on your install?
Yeah and that's exactly what grinds my gears about the Linux crowd here. On one hand they're in every thread talking about how easy it is and how everyone should make the switch regardless of skill. That is until something goes wrong and the response is 'lol educate yourself'
Well if you want to start with the hard part yes educate yourself.
You could also try to accept Linux isn't a viable option for most people.
Absurd take tbh everyone can use Linux mint at least
🤓
Never said otherwise
After I installed everything and installed a desktop environment it reboots back to the installation screen
I would guess it’s booting to the installation media, be that a disc, thumb drive, or other mount point. If you can figure out how to get to a boot menu and have it skip that, it might get you in.
"Read the wiki" in response to questions is literally Arch's explicit community ethos. They used to plainly tell you at the forums that it would be the first response to any question that could be answered by the wiki. (They still may, I don't currently run Arch)
Almost literally any other distro is a better choice if diving into the wiki isn't how you want to start things with Linux.
This conversation can only happen by me being the person OP is mocking, BTW.
dId YoU rEaD tHe WiKi? RtFm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I agree that you should read the wiki first, but the wiki is a reference, not an answer to all your problems, most wiki entries are solutions that came from people on forums asking questions.
Don't even get me started on clowns who will tell you to rtfm, then when a solution does come out, nobody documents it, AT ALL. Nothing but a bunch of gatekeeping freeloaders.
Arch wiki is just that good. It does lack in some areas but it is that good.
Well, it's unfortunate that you skipped the first part of my comment, (and also the advice about choosing literally almost any other distro to avoid that) but don't let that dampen your oddly deep hostility.
Do what? I didn't skip over anything, and how am I being hostile? I'm not only agreeing with you but even adding to your points, I didn't even comment on choosing another distro, I even mentioned in another post that you shouldn't even choose an engaging distro to start with!
I'm sorry I came off that way, that was not at all my intention. We are on the same side, please don't think I was trying to attack you.
Ah I apologize I must have misread your comment from start to finish! I will go back and reread it.
Sorry, a little too easy to go off half cocked in these conversations sometimes, I sincerely apologize.
There's a few techy communities like that
Given how screwy computer tech gets sometimes you'd think there'd be more empathy for "I tried what's in the damned wiki already I'm asking for help because it didn't work!"
Shit sometimes it's not even written wrong, you just slipped and put an O instead of a 0 and the text editor's font doesn't distinguish them enough for someone who isn't specifically hunting for that to realize.
Still the funniest 8 hour long setup to a punchline I've had on mine and a lab partner's heads though!
I would recommend experimenting with one of the less engaged distros before you just dive into something like that, it will save you a lot of headache.
As a Linux user whose first distro was Arch, I heartily endorse this advice. Arch is a terrible place to start.
It's not actually! I'm a semi-noob and manage to get it running like a charm on my M1 in like 30 minutes. It uses KDE so you can set it up to be like win or macos in a few clicks. I'm just waiting for a it to take full advantage of my powerfull GPU to make it my main os.
This may or may not help, but maybe give this a look.
https://distrosea.com/
Using another person’s computer for three minutes to fiddle with start menu icons, with half the OS integration disabled, is very different from setting it up as your personal system with your own hardware.
That's true. The reason why I suggested it is because the other person said they know nothing about Linux, have barely used a terminal before, and just wanted to try a certain distro. I thought this website would be a quick and easy way for them to play around a little bit to scratch that itch and see if they wanted to dive deeper into things.
I’m in this and I don’t like it. Reported.
Okay that is not going to stop me lol. 🤣
Even our ads are unpaid and FOSS
I think they’re fun
Have you seen the programmer socks?
i should buy some, currently my highest are only knee high :(
Pretty much why I blocked c/technology from my feed. They could turn a post about a scientist studying crab migration into a debate about why the crabs aren't running fuckin Linux. Not everything has to be about an OS, you lot. They're basically Computer Mormons.
Computer Mormon is my new favorite thing to say
https://snapcraft.io/crab
What operating system defines you as a person?
Great first date question!
Jokes on you I spend my time hating on windows specifically
::: spoiler spoiler Stupid devs never gave us aero back despite it being the second most requested feature on the stupid insider hub.
Then they magically added blur effects 5 years too late when their corporate overlords brought in the next team of intern graphic designers.
I still remember the windows 10 leak pic where the whole start menu and taskbar was clear as glass >:( :::
We are the Linux desktop advertising budget
I mean, I wouldn't expect people on a fishing forum to spend all their time talking about how much hiking sucks.
Mmm bad analogy, I think it would be more like comparing brands of fishing rods or other fishing supplies, in which case yes you would expect them to argue and talk about it.
Except it's more like I'm on my hiking forum describing an issue and the fishing people come in and be like "You wouldn't have that problem if you just fished instead of hiked. Why do people even hike? It's stupid. Fishing is the best."
Also there is a bear in a tutu in this analogy and it's posts a bunch of star trek memes and since it's a bear you just leave it alone but since it's in a tutu it's funny.
no it's like a forum for one brand of rods, where the main topic is: "I love this brand and hate all others, am I right guys?" The Linux Forum became really cringe.
Can you really advertise something that's free?
I think the right word is proselytize
Of course you can. "Free kittens, call 202.555.1212"
Yes, by definition it’s a advertisement.
This is such an emacs take
not knowing how to read a manual isn't a personality trait either linux haters
Jesus, look at all the upvotes... What's wrong with you people? Can you really not help yourselves? Or is it just one or two narcissists with a ton of accounts?
I expect that, like me, most of the upvoters see that as a joke/mockery of our stereotype... and no, obviously, we can't help but make the joke.
What the fuck?
I made a silly joke about how people making out like linux is hard to use are also annoying.
iusearchlinux.fyi is my federation
I- U- Search Linux!
People view computers as a hobby
They're the vegans of the tech world.
If you mean that they are morally superior, I agree
Alright. Maybe and os isn't. Good point.
OK boys, time to go back to waifus
Or God forbid .... sports 🤮🤮🤮🤮
Oh my god. I didn't know the stakes...
You all stay here as long as you need. Nobody likes Windows... Nobody likes it. Shhhh shhh shh. It's okay. Linux is the open source solution everyone needs, not just some niche communities. Everyone!
Just block the linux meme communities then.
That's half the problem, they don't contain themselves to those communities. If they find the faintest way to jam Linux into an active conversation, they'll do it regardless of the community.
Interesting. You could setup something like a linux VM (or an rPi) running a distro with privoxy to filter out mentions of Linux per domain(s)!
That's nice, now face the wall.
Then you've solved half your problem. Welcome to the real world. If most of it doesn't annoy you, you may have bigger problems.
I think you're missing the idea a little. Yeah its not the biggest problem, but these guys don't just suggest Linux, the people that just say they prefer it in context and to look into it are fine.
Its the high schoolers and early cs major - types who heard someone else suggest it, and now they've made it their entire personality and are physically incapable of refraining from going off about how much better Linux is than windows, while not particularly understanding what they're even doing.
Example: When I started my programming degree there was one high school kid taking the courses, ANY time someone had an error with their IDE he would go off about how Linux doesn't have any issues.
And then when the group went to go play games together, he'd attach himself to the party and spend like 20+ minutes crying about how the game didn't run well cause devs only dev for windows while he struggled with his wine setup.
I blame the steamdeck
Ooo look at this rugged, world weary badass. You want to improve something? TOUGH. Life isn't fair kid! Just grit your teeth and take it like the rest of us do-nothing insufferable fuckheads do!
More like that people are free to be annoying and there's much much you can do about it. If you're not mainstream enough, most memes are just junk noise.
Lol, 70℅ of my students base their personality on the fact they have iphones. Will you make a meme about people brainwashed by big capitalist business or do you prefer to complain about people actively using and contributing to free, fair and ethical alternative to corporate bullshit? I'm on Nobara btw. It comes will all codecs pre-installed and you have the option to use Gnome or Plasma.
You openly admit hating Apple so your perception is tainted.
Lol, what does having my "perception tainted" mean? I hate apple because it's a soulless buisiness that exploits workers around the world and sell overpriced products. Those are facts, what's tainted about that? I still have a Macbook for my job, probably the best laptop i ever had, but admitting they create good product doesnt make me an Apple fanboy.
To be fair I don't really like any os that is out there right now but I don't have an option that I would really like. I have a Mac as my work laptop my pc runs both Windows 10 and Manjaro. I also have a Steam Deck and a Rog Ally. Frankly I have complaints and issues for each OS and use each of them for different task and things. My point is I don't really like any of them but from all of those choices Linux is kinda the lesser evil. If there was a way better option like a forth os that everything works, all apps would be compatible with it, it would be less of a hassle and not spy on me and especially not force updates on me or crush do to multiple reasons including the forced updates then sign me up cause I would switch to it in a heartbeat.
thank you OP. ffs, open source. we get it. next.
Shots fired.
"We're Linux users, of course we sudo apt get double-chocolate-chunk"
What about liking an editor or shell, they must be personality traits!
That's not a personality trait. That's a way of life ༼ つ ◕_◕ ༽つ
did someone say ads?
BLOCK
Nuh uh
Let me save you. I also use hyprland btw
Hah, I am too busy with exams to try hyprland but I am gonna try it soon. And btw the comment is fuckin joke man, chill out people.
Pssshhh, as if I'd talk about an OS that's, Free, Open Source, has better drivers for most devices, instead of talking about .... I use arch btw
people are so desperate for an identity these days.
Honestly you Linux losers need to get on FreeBSD. Don't you know big FOSS is stealing your browsing metrics to improve their products?
You might've been joking but the BSD community really can make the Linux community look like the Windows community.
You go to the circus and get mad when you see clowns.
I mean, I don't get what's so hot about Emmett Kelly either.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
what's so hot about Emmett Kelly either.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
Keep those gnutard loonix users away from my grass!
My grass is paid and open source
So is your mom but you don't hear her bragging about it 😂
I do, actually. And she constantly reminded me about the importance of safe sex
it is actually (i use kde neon btw)
Linux users are inherently required to operate the operating system more than Windows or Mac. It’s something they spend time doing and therefore a frequent enough activity that some people talk about that activity.
i mean have you ever tied fedora?
M'Linux
"Hey, you posted this topic here, so just wanted to let you know, Linux would solve literally every problem you just complained about."
"A different operating system!? That's not a personality!! Why don't you keep your opinions to yourself and stop evangelizing! Reeeee!!!"
It's difficult to take someone seriously when they use the phrase "online persona".
I also don't really see the Linux obsessed commenters everyone is obsessed with. Yes there are Linux memes. Yes I'm sure some people are fixated with Linux, but it doesn't seem like an overwhelming number.
Are you a Linux user? I'm not and see it everywhere daily.
Yes I'm a Linux user.
It probably seems normal for you then. It really pops out to me
I don't think being a Linux user reduces my ability to determine whether someone is obsessed with Linux and talks about it incessantly.
I could just as well say you're probably hypersensitive to the existence of Linux users, because you're not a user.
Touche.
Because you're on fucking Lemmy, dumb shit. 🤣
"I hate bronies and mlp" - he says on derpibooru.
Well you are someone I never need to see again, I'll enjoy blocking you.
Touche.
Sir, this is a shitpost community.
That's well as may be but you still said "online persona" like a vapid wanna be influencer.
No, you perceived it that way. Your mind dressed it up enough to motivate you to make a negative comment to make yourself feel better.
I hope you got the serotonin boost you were looking for.
Correct. I perceive that you're a vapid fool who thinks they have an "online persona".
If people got it they wouldn't be running Windows. The brow-beatings will continue.
Have you tried windows 11? It's actually pretty amazing.
Just kidding.
But seriously, I don't support shaming people for not using Linux. Let people use the OS they are most comfortable with! I mean, unless it's a Mac. Fuck that noise.
Don't get me wrong, I fully support people's right to run the linux distro they are most comfortable with.
Idk you replied to almost every comment on this thread hating ln linux
No, but hating a OS is.
fucking windows 10 mother fucking shit fuck OS god damnit.
Have you seen Windows 11 yet? It's somehow worse...
I saw the writing on the wall when I was forced to use Windows 10 on a laptop.
Which is why I dont use windows anymore, lol
I do and Im tired of pretending I dont
Adversiment
Okay that is a real low for the Lemmy community 😁
Are we looking at the same image?
Yep, perhaps I didn't express well enough, but what I meant is that Lemmy (Linux community) don't get along with ads at all, which should be like an obvious take of this meme, as they just became what they hate
I would really like to say something positive and community building to this like @CubitOom https://lemmy.world/comment/8574037
or @BmeBBenji https://lemmy.world/comment/8570341 - Or perhaps type well reasoned comments such as @SnotFickerman
But... I am compelled by my god Lemmy (Kilmister) and my only personality trait, to proselytize for projects that add value to the world.
What is more concerning (and more entertaining) is all the Windows wankers advocating on an open source forum
Look, it's another edgelord who doesn't have an ounce of empathy in their entire body.
So cool, wow.
I don't know the cock in my ass doesn't feel very self conceived.