Friends are capitalistic propaganda to make you easier to manipulate and control into working long hours so that some guy called "CEO" can show off all of his green pieces of paper to his friends /s
i often play gta online with two friends who use windows. they have crashes, sounds disappearing, issues joining sessions and they keep falling through ground. on mint my only problem is no cursor in social club. my framerate is not great though, 80 - 100 vs on windows it stays above 120. except for the random massive lag spikes.
It’s hilarious to me that I have to jump through so many hoops to get my old games working on windows when they run almost out of the box on Linux, but on the flip side with all the launchers and shit built into AAA games today it’s a hassle to get them set up on Linux. Like once I do get them set up they work great. But lutris, proton versions, winetricks, etc to get them working is an activity
Oh yeah the older games work great on Linux, either with drm gone as you described or a no-cd or something. The windows issues with old games I was referencing mostly stem from old graphics driver requirements (things like dgvoodoo), compatibility mode, having more CPU cores than a game can handle, etc, but I’ve found very little of those issues on Linux.
On Linux I was referring to having to run like the EA launcher, Ubisoft launcher, rockstar launcher, etc for modern games. They are so finicky and such a hassle to set up, and because they are electron apps with custom code, so basically web browsers with embedded drm. You have to get the right combination of winetricks and proton versions to make them work without issue. I don’t blame Linux at all, I blame the stupid launchers and overwhelming drm
Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue, i was in this spot in the past for a long, long time, but Steam has made this work almost seamlessly for a great number of games
And then i got the Steam Deck and this went into overdrive
At this point i feel like Linux is a realistic option for a gamer, qualified of course (anti-cheat tech tends to break things, plus there's a few problematic ones), but we are at the point where you can buy an AAA title and be relatively confident it will run on Linux (check first though)
I still can't believe how good elden ring runs. Just about every single game i've played in my library has run acceptably for years now. The couple of games I had trouble with running like 5 years ago works nice now. Thank you steam/valve for the godsend that is proton and the deck. All hail gaben.
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree... Done
Reading state information... Done
E: Unable to locate package friends
E: Unable to locate package to
E: Unable to locate package play
E: Unable to locate package games
E: Unable to locate package with
If you're a user interacting with a terminal => apt
If you're writing a script or putting it in a docker file/automation => apt-get
Apt is just a wrapper around apt-get a newer binary than apt-get (I stand corrected after checking my memory against google) and there are warnings that the apt shorthand is not as reliable in scripted scenarios. Its meant for user convenience.
Will you're almost free from that. I saw 6.7 uses the GSP firmware, so if you have a newer Turing card noveou (can never spell it) will be able to run games.
Well it's getting better, and fast imo. When I started using Linux some 4 years ago I could barely play anything in my library. If the game had online functionality in any way, chances were it didn't run. That has gotten a lot better imo but Proton is still not where it needs to be. But things change and from what I, as a consumer, can see it seems like the biggest problem now are invasive Anti-Cheats rather than anything fundamentally breaking the games.
Edit: but yeah, it sucks when shit ain't working and the small fraction of stuff not working is still a bit much to swallow
Well, civil rights lawyers have been pretty busy lately trying to stop the slide into facism, so they haven’t gotten around to making our choice of OS a protected class.
Seriously though, why would it be illegal? It’s their game, so they get to be assholes and decide who gets to play it with them. I don’t think that’s ever going to change, and I’m not sure it should. We do the same thing in the Fediverse, deciding who gets to use the instances we control.
I would say claiming that a game supports a certain operating system and then banning players for playing it on the system is false advertising, especially if the game is paid.
The game is listed as not supporting SteamOS (Arguably the most popular linux distro for gaming right now) and incorporating drm that does not work on Linux, this is far from false advertising as I can see it.
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2073850/THE_FINALS/
Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).
Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play
I understand developers needs for decent Anti-Cheat and I am not faulting them for using Anti-Cheat systems in general.
But Kernel level Anti-Cheats should not exist. No application should ever have this level of access over your entire PC.
You have no idea what these Anti-Cheats are doing, you have no idea what data they are collecting and sending to whom and you have no idea what kind of security flaws they introduce.
For all you know every password you type on your computer is shared with the companies using Kernel Level Anti-Cheat. Your PC might as well have no password anymore.
If someone finds an exploit for Easy Anti-Cheat (or any of the other dozen Kernel level Anti-Cheats out there) and deploys a Virus over it then your best bet is turning religious because praying for divine intervention would be more effective than any Anti-Virus software.
Well if that were working I doubt we'd have two dozen Anti-Cheat Systems. You can lock down a system as much as you want the cheaters will always find a way unless the game itself discourages it.
And then this isn't as much about privacy as it is about basic system security. I mean sure the privacy concern is there but it's less of a concern for most people. There's not much to gain from a rootkit with average Joe, after all their entire life is already on Instagram. No the far more serious part is that these Anti-Cheats are ripping country sized holes into your computers security, as can be seen beautifully by Genshin's kernel level malware anti-cheat being used as a convenient rootkit for a ransomware (https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/). If you are willing to compromise your PC's security for a tiny decrease in cheaters sure go ahead, but don't come crying when it inevitably blows up in your face and your PC becomes the victim of a hack exploiting this shit.
Once upon a time all Apps ran on Kernel level, there's a reason we don't do that anymore.
Battlebit Remastered ran fine with EZ anti-cheat through steam on Mint 21.3, with no exra steps required, just this week. Did something get fixed, or was I just lucky?
iirc Easy-Anticheat has a sort of "Lite" mode that also runs on Linux, enabling it makes the games work with Proton but iirc degrades the Anticheat capabilities on those Systems. Because the Linux Anticheat isn't as effective (and because it's an Opt-In) most games don't use it.
Talking a lot out of my ass here but I think that's how it was explained back when they made that change.
The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I've spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.
I recently heard about this. I used to play it. I searched on the steam discussion page and there is a fan patch that fixes all the crashes. It is on github. I found it for you. Try this. https://github.com/pj1234678/MagickaFix
was aware of it but it sadly doesn't run on linux (at least not after me doing trial and error for 4 hours) and i felt the comparison to the unmodded one on windows fairer under these circumstances - thanks for trying to help though :)
There are a couple, but I'm spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don't run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.
My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.
League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don't want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don't even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn't been approved by their government!
When it came out there was an outcry and their statement was basically "okay okay, so its a rootkit. But guys, you can trust us! We're totally not going to do anything nefarious with it!"
You mean Vanguard, which was announced but isn't actually in the game yet. Their plan is to add it late February or early March. We don't actually know any details about the implementation except that it won't be used in the macOS version.
I’ve run into many, the latest being Rising Storm 2. Its development has been suspended and the EAC is a version that doesn’t work with Linux, so you can’t play on any servers except the ones that allow hackers. There’s also the issues with performance in Squad on Linux. Starship Troopers: Extermination also runs better on Windows. That’s just the ones I’ve had an issue with in the past month.
That being said, I’m still not willing to go back to Windows, even to play these games.
You install it from within Steam, or using flatpak if you're installing Steam via flatpak[Proton on flatpak has reached EOL, try installing via Steam instead]. Then in settings you set it so every game uses the Proton compatibility layer, or whatever it's called. You don't have to do it per game, it's a global setting (as well as a setting for each game if you prefer).
I can't answer for a specific game though, you'd have to simply try it out or check a database which has info on games that can run using Proton. I don't know the site from memory.
Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are 'supported' through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC.
Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.
yeh that'll probably be it tbf... the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately... even amd ones are like that :(
however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D
Same experience on Linux for me. Install Steam, install Proton, set it to be default for all games. Click and play. 🙂👍 Not really "fiddling". It's a one-time thing that I equate to just installing Steam. Very good experience.
I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users. In fact, if it made it to mainstream, it'd probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc. How you may ask? Well, corporations have a lot of money and influence and I'm sure they could "find a way" if motivated to do so.
Aren't there Android versions that don't have all the Google things and are open source? (GrapheneOS and LineageOS)
If you're just talking about your average android I'm afraid I agree and am an offender myself. (I hope to change that one day though)
Google still controls the source, and so they have influence over the rest.
It's like Ungoogled Chromium. Sure, it's open source. Sure, if might have Google crap removed. Google still calls the shots on the direction of the browser.
Same still meaningfully applies to Chromium-based browsers.
This is a dumb argument. Yes, my phone uses Linux. How many of the Android users actively come in contact with the underlying system?
Mainstream Linux means a big part of people actively choosing to install a Linux distribution or buy a computer or notebook with a real Linux distro pre installed (not that lightweight barebones distro they preinstall so they can sell it without Windows but with OS).
I use Gentoo, the family PC has OpenSUSE, only my wife's laptop has Windows... Because guess what, she wants to use what she's used to, what she knows.
Apple uses *NIX, it will either become hardware specific versions or Linux where you pay for the OS with the hardware, or be like Red Hat where you pay if you want to do anything.
i have relinquished to windows. I log into all my pcs with my phone number now its so convenient i have like 4 licenses attached to it from buying hardware. They give me pennies for my data on Bing its hilarious ill get an Xbox 7 someday for free as a corpobitch
The new outlook though that is so ass. I expect windows 12 to be a much better experience and fully integrate the modern bloat like which sports team won last night right into my retinas!
DRM in many games doesn't work on Linux. In some cases, like games that use EAC, this is technically just a checkbox at build time where they decide not to support Linux.
There are also some weird libraries and low-level interfaces that refuse to even work through wine/proton, but that's pretty rare nowadays. You have to be actively trying to find something that won't work at all on Linux.
I assume using anti cheat and not including the files so it works on Linux. I'm of the opinion people shouldn't buy games with anti cheat, but that's just my opinion.
Meh i had to restart overwatch a few times because it has a bug where sometimes miving my mouse in any way causes me to look up and spin counter clockwise at an insane speed... So yeah theres that
For sure, but just as an example I tried starting Black Mesa on steam yesterday, which has a native release, but had to tinker quite a bit to get it working. Unfortunately I think it's often the case that the native releases gets forgotten and lags behind the windows/proton releases
I've had people tell me that they experience better performance running games on Linux through Proton compared to running them natively on Windows. A while back, I decided to try Windows for the first time since 2002 on actual hardware. With TF2, I encountered significantly more crashes & lag compared to running it on my Arch install....
This seems to be the Windows/Linux yinyang in gaming.
If you go through the effort (or non-effort. It really seems to be luck-based) of getting a gaming rig working in linux, 99% of the time it is simply better at everything, crashes less, etc. The 1% can require hours or more of troubleshooting.
Windows runs slower and worse than linux, and arguably less stable. But you boot up, click play, and (largely) it just plays.
That's also my recent experience with Ubuntu on a gaming laptop. Every single step of the way gives me trouble, but when I manage to run something in the linux side, boy does it run well. So I've got this nice "todo" since I already blew my only free day on it last weekend.
A friend of a friend tried daily driving Ubuntu recently & had a few problems (some of which were gaming related). They eventually switched to Linux Mint and pretty much most of their problems seemed to disappear....
Interesting. I wish I could bring myself to like mint. I've typecast myself as an ubuntu-head ever since I went full "Elder Price" with the CDs back at my first dev gig.
I've never used mint myself, but I've heard good things about it. Last time I used Ubuntu on actual hardware was around 2008 I think. For the most part I've been using either Arch, Debian or Fedora....
See I only got lag & crashes on windows, when on my Arch install I had/have no problems whatsoever. I haven't used windows since 2002 & don't really plan on doing so any time soon, the install was just to quickly see what windows 10 was like compared to Linux....
Having problems with games sometimes is better than having less problems with games at the cost of your system being bloated, slow and designed in such a way that when it breaks you can't do anything about it besides sfc /scannow and when that doesn't work as usual, a complete os reinstall. Linux saves me time but that's only because it's possible to have the skill to fix all the random issues you run into, unlike with Windows.
Just takes a little patience and research, mostly to find out if the type of games you generally play use invasive anticheat/drm or not, since those are the most likely to not run.
but I wont say protons perfect. I've had a few games with issues, some big, some small.. All usually get fixed with time, though, and now those games run great.
But in the interest of laying it all bare, I will say the 1 enduring issue I have is how janky it is to get Vortex to work for modding games, specifically Skyrim and Fallout 4.. but thats less a proton/linux issue, as it is a Vortex issue. Big strides would be made with a linux version, but Vortex is just jank in general, even on windows.
And To be clear, I say its jank. Not impossible. I modded the shit out of my Fallout 4 install just last night. but to do it I have to launch the game with STL, use that to launch vortex, the use vortex to launch F4SE.
edit
I just discovered Mo2 linux installer, and oh my god its so much easier..can even download direct from nexus with the vortex download button.
this is exactly me every time i'm showing someone how easy it is nowadays to run games in linux, only for the game that was running perfectly the previous night to throw some random error and crash my system
The only time I have trouble with Linux gaming is either a multiplayer game I want to play isn't supported or some Visual Novel having random issues every once in a while. But this meme is still true lol.
I always hear people say they sometimes have issues with games but I've switched to Linux relatively recently and I still haven't had a game in my library that didn't play.
It's crazy how much better things are now.
I had the same reaction some weeks ago when I wanted to play Leathal Company with friends and remembered I'm on Linux while they all used some 3rd party Windows only mod manager.
One day later I found r2modman in the AUR which automatically recognized Steam + Proton and everything just ran.
And there is even a Titanfall 2 cross platform mod program!!!!
The sofware support just keeps getting better every day.
biggest ongoing issue i've had is getting Vortex working for Bethesda games.
but I just found a linux installer for Mo2, and while I dont like having to launch Mo2 to launch my modded game.. its fucking ecstasy island compared to the horrific jank of dealing with Vortex.
Vortex worked fine with my (pirated) copy of Starfield near launch. I think I launched it externally, not through Vortex though. I know CKAN for KSP2 works fine but fails to launch the game, at least for me. It also requires forcing an override on a DLL to get most mods to function, but it's not much of a hassle.
I installed KDE Neon on Friday evening and things were going great, everything was testing well, and Saturday game night with the gang went flawlessly, but this morning the VMWare Horizon Linux client spontaneously decided that it didn't want to accept mouse input anymore, so after ten minutes of troubleshooting I gave up and booted back into Windows so that I can be productive today.
Yeah give me a minute to install and setup proprietary Nvidia drivers, Retroarch, PCSX2, Lutris, Steam and Wine-staging along with all of the necessary dependencies. Worth it tho
The only things I can't play on linux are games with heavy kernel-injected anti-cheats and racing games (AC and BNG). Everything else "just works". Hell, I even managed to get Overcooked's cross-platform version to work.
Reading this on smartphone in browser with desktop mode permanently enabled (and increased dp beyond smallest display size limit in dev settings).
I just wish it was 16:9. These ultrawide aspect ratios are terrible for a phone. Hell, I just want something like those old phablets.
My first "smartphone" was a 7" tablet with SIM card. Perhaps I should just try something like that, but tablets tend to be underpowered.
Well that too. The real joke is that despite the fact we've had 10 "years of the linux desktop", it's still an absolute bitch to get PICK A GAME working on that shiny linux box.
My new Lenovo Legion, I'm struggling with desktop graphics tearing issues in linux (just viewing the WM, of all things). When i have time, I'll muddle through it, but I can't pretend that is easier in linux than windows. It's vendor-driven, sure, but the end user doesn't care why they waste 8 hours doing setup work, only THAT they do.
And the amount of people that will do ANYTHING to defend Linux baffles me, and they all do it thinking they help Linux in general instead of highlighting their issues so they can be fixed
Yeah, trust me, Linux Gaming used to be real shit. "When it works it works" is lightyears better than it used to be.
I remember in my linux-only years, trying to muddle through linux exclusives. Oftentimes you had to be super careful because linux doesn't love prepared binaries
I mean, I freaking LOVE linux. And for what it's good for, it's the best of the best. I've never had a better dev experience than in Ubuntu, mostly because WSL is a pale shadow of a good unix backend (and because Macs, while good, are still subpar for that purpose). But that means I'm already committing 40 hours a week to maintaining and using my machine!
But for gaming? For casual use? I dunno. The hardware has to be hand-picked carefully, as do the games.
I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate WSL with a passion that makes me scream. It has BSOD-looped a computer on me before. WSL is the only thing worse than making Linux work on something like a Legion.
Adding Docker Desktop on top of WSL is just a disasterpiece, and I have to work against a large dev docker cluster on a regular basis.
But if I'm being honest, none of that matters for gaming.
Wish I could play games on Linux, but for some fucking reason I can't figure out my gaming laptop with Nvidia 1660ti will not work properly with most games. If I ever can afford a new computer I'm probably going with AMD instead tbh.
I know this is quite unprompted, but did you install correct video drivers? You gotta install proprietary nvidia drivers and its 32-bit libraries instead of nouveau
This was me last week when my wife wanted to play a PC game together and I threw the PC to the TV via HDMI for the first time since I switched from Windows to Arch. The audio would not work at all despite all the settings being very clear that it should be sending the audio over the HDMI. Same physical/hardware/cable/TV as the setup that worked flawlessly in Windows. Still not thrilled about that one.
Make sure it's sending to the correct port, if you go into the audio device management of whatever your desktop environment of choice was you should notice that you have the advanced options on the HDMI to select which HDMI port it's going to
Still a couple deal breakers for me, though most stuff otherwise runs fine.
No HDR support. Sucks if you have a great monitor but can't use it.
No nvidia broadcast. Necessary for my mic+speaker setup, common alternative such as noisetorch are convenient, but don't even come close to echo filtering quality from the speakers. Yes, that's super subjective obviously.
Performance tends to be noticeably to only slightly worse on max settings with nvidia on highly specialized, very demanding games.
Some anti cheat tools struggle with compatibility modes.
We're getting there, but it's tough with nvidia not caring. :/
I understand the HDR thing dealt with the standards for it being absolute undecided mess; but it's looking like we'll have support cranked out before the end of 2024. Here's hoping, I do all my multimedia stuff on KDE.
HDR monitors have been standardized more poorly than Bluetooth was, so I could kind of see this sort of producer interference coming. It didn't help that the average user doesn't even understand what that means.
Most modern hardware works out of the box on Linux, and often runs a stripped down kernel as its own firmware.
My intent was just to provide a viewpoint from someone that loves and uses Linux aplenty, but spends a lot of time with Max quality gaming, using high end hardware.
And while things have improved massively over the past years and probably will get even better in the next years, nvidia's monopoly on top performance GPU means I'm being bottle necked by their shitty Linux support.
Sure, I can play almost any game out there on Linux, but not with the performance and sometimes not even the same quality I can achieve with Windows. I know this is no fault of Linux, but it's the pragmatic reality I'm confronted with.
This is the thing which keeps me from switching entirely to Linux. A friend of mine needs twice the amount of Time to start his Games (which is something I would have no Problem with) and what makes it not worth switching imo is that he loses the sound from Discord when he plays. He needs to restart DC then. And no one knows why ._.
One of my friends and I end up troubleshooting for an hour before we can actually start playing games. Every single time. Linux just doesn't want us to play games together, I guess.
Well, yes. Which is why I mentioned the Spacers Choice edition.
It doesn't seem to have the same specific issues on Windows though, apart from generally performng worse than anyone would expect it to.
So I reckon I'll just try and see for myself if that's true. Because the problems many Linux users (me included) seem to have according to ProtonDB make the game borderline unplayable.
They probably meant "everything that they use it for". Like, in my case everything on Linux works for me, but I don't play multiplayer games or use Photoshop. I have a single old monitor that can't do HDR. I don't watch Netflix. To be fair and pedantic, not everything anyone could possibly ever want to do works on Windows 11, either.
Of course I haven't tested everything. But I've tested over 25 games and havent add issues. I do some serious audio editing (Reaper + tons of VST), video editing (Davinci Studio) and even tried some game engine stuff on linux (Unreal , Godot). Pretty much everything worked out of the box on Nobara. It's optmize for games and AV. Honestly, even a year ago, I had no idea Linux was so good. I use (and teach) macOS for work, and was using Windows for gaming, but now I can do 90% of my things on Linux.
Most shit works, that said your expectations should firstly be that any windows only game doesnt work even if its not the case because the fact that its running most windows only games without major problems is really impressive, show me how to do that on windows (VM not allowed as Wine and proton arent VMs)
Thats not the point. You buy Games by Developers with limited resources. They dont care about FOSS you could say, in many cases. So you are unsupported.
Linux runs Linux Apps, its Essence is that it is a free OS, that you can trust.
Running proprietary stuff made for other Platforms is interesting but a Battle. It makes no sense you could say.
It makes Sense for Valve, as they save themselves Billions in Windows Licenses and they can make a tailored device. And they sell Games.
For you, paying for Games and then working to make them run, I dont know.
Not that I dont like the idea, but its the job of Developers to make the Games run.
Sure... Which is why Valve has built Proton, which makes nearly all PC games run on Linux... Sure, the developers of the games themselves should have made the Linux port, but for many developers it's cost prohibitive to support another platform with very few potential customers.
But the more players who run Linux (and Steam Deck by extension), the larger the incentive for developers to support Linux natively. And in turn more games will get made for Linux, which will draw in more people to switch to Linux.
So as long as my game runs, then I don't care whether it was the original developer, Valve or an open-source developer why wrote the code that made it work. And luckily I'm one of those people that don't mind having to tinker a bit to make things work (hence why I'm on Linux in the first place)
If we as gamers stubbornly refuse to switch to Linux until our games are natively ported, then developers might as well just develop their games for Windows, where the players are...
Funny coincidence, that game was sitting in my backlog for a while and was the first game I installed on my deck. It's impressive how beautiful they were able to make such a dark and bleak forest. And yeah, 0 problems so far.
This right here. I've spent a few hours troubleshooting why I can't play Hell Let Loose, which also uses EAC, even though it should support Linux. Turned out, that you need to specifically search for (in your Library) and install "Proton EasyAntiCheat Runtime", which is a separate game that for some reason didn't get installed when you install the game.
I suppose it's going to be the same with Battlebit, because I'm sure I played it on Linux and had 0 issues.
On the other hand I have a laptop with Intel and dedicated Nvidia card. Longterm ongoing heat problems (one heat pipe, one cooler, bad placement, thanks Dell) killed the Nvidia card.
Windows couldn't run anymore and couldn't be installed again.
With linux the laptop works again, at least with the Intel 3rd generation card.
What games are you trying? Off the top of my head, I've played monster hunter world, hunt showdown, cyberpunk 2077, baldur's gate 3, norman reedus and the funky fetus, elden ring, deep rock galactic, doom (the new ones), apex, the dark souls games, warframe, and a few more over the years.
Okay but with a 1660 super even on Windows that game won't run too well. I know its above minimum reqs but that card is old. Even my 2080 TI is starting to show some age with framerates and what.
As for the card, I bought it before it became apparent how overpriced it was, and it was a major upgrade from my second hand 970 anyway. And I didn't splurge, I saved and bought what I thought made sense for me, when I could've 'splurged' on a 3080.
I'm so confused by why people have trouble with Nvidia on Linux. I have been using Debian and Ubuntu for as long as I can remember with Nvidia and it's never been a problem. Now I use Pop and it's perfectly fine too. No problem running dual 4K 60Hz monitors... Is the support bad on non-Debian distros?
Depends on the distro. I spent a lot of time in the TTY with NixOS before I was able to get my 4070 Ti working. On Pop it worked out of the box, but that's not a worthwhile trade-off to me these days. Nix or bust.
From my experience running windows game inside wine, it's run but doesn't run smoothly like i running in windows
I don't know if i missing something at installation process, i've been trying install it with bottles same thing happened
But good news now is i can find some games at gog that running on linux natively
This meme would be so relatable if I had any friends.
Friends are overrated, comrade!
Friends are capitalistic propaganda to make you easier to manipulate and control into working long hours so that some guy called "CEO" can show off all of his green pieces of paper to his friends /s
Average linux user
During last gamenight with the friends we decided to play halo infinite. We all had a good laugh that the two on windows were the only ones crashing
I would not let that live down tbh
i often play gta online with two friends who use windows. they have crashes, sounds disappearing, issues joining sessions and they keep falling through ground. on mint my only problem is no cursor in social club. my framerate is not great though, 80 - 100 vs on windows it stays above 120. except for the random massive lag spikes.
It’s hilarious to me that I have to jump through so many hoops to get my old games working on windows when they run almost out of the box on Linux, but on the flip side with all the launchers and shit built into AAA games today it’s a hassle to get them set up on Linux. Like once I do get them set up they work great. But lutris, proton versions, winetricks, etc to get them working is an activity
Many games might actually be DRM free without you realizing. Look them up on PC Gaming Wiki, and maybe you'll like what you see.
With some games it's as simple as launching them directly from the executable to circumvent annoying launchers and accounts.
Something most people probably don't even think of doing anymore, and why would they. But it never hurts to try.
Oh yeah the older games work great on Linux, either with drm gone as you described or a no-cd or something. The windows issues with old games I was referencing mostly stem from old graphics driver requirements (things like dgvoodoo), compatibility mode, having more CPU cores than a game can handle, etc, but I’ve found very little of those issues on Linux.
On Linux I was referring to having to run like the EA launcher, Ubisoft launcher, rockstar launcher, etc for modern games. They are so finicky and such a hassle to set up, and because they are electron apps with custom code, so basically web browsers with embedded drm. You have to get the right combination of winetricks and proton versions to make them work without issue. I don’t blame Linux at all, I blame the stupid launchers and overwhelming drm
Did they play the cracked version or the Steam version?
It was the pvp multiplayer that's free, so the steam version.
Me playing The Finals too, the other two crashing before the match and I was more like 'I'm just hoping that I don't get banned for playing on linux'
Honestly Steam and Proton have solved like 90% or more of this issue, i was in this spot in the past for a long, long time, but Steam has made this work almost seamlessly for a great number of games
And then i got the Steam Deck and this went into overdrive
At this point i feel like Linux is a realistic option for a gamer, qualified of course (anti-cheat tech tends to break things, plus there's a few problematic ones), but we are at the point where you can buy an AAA title and be relatively confident it will run on Linux (check first though)
I still can't believe how good elden ring runs. Just about every single game i've played in my library has run acceptably for years now. The couple of games I had trouble with running like 5 years ago works nice now. Thank you steam/valve for the godsend that is proton and the deck. All hail gaben.
As a somewhat recent Windows expatriate (1.5 years I think?), I certainly recall more issues on Win11.
WE DON'T TALK ABOUT WINDOWS 11!
Break free of proprietary friends ^^
All my friends are Open Source if you know what I mean
Many people commit to them and they fork off to others?
I definitely won't be installing windows 11, so I'll join soon
sudo apt-get friends to play games with
Error: package not found
Off topic... But isn't apt-get outdated? I thought it was just "apt install"
If you're a user interacting with a terminal => apt
If you're writing a script or putting it in a docker file/automation => apt-get
Apt is
just a wrapper around apt-geta newer binary than apt-get (I stand corrected after checking my memory against google) and there are warnings that the apt shorthand is not as reliable in scripted scenarios. Its meant for user convenience.Apt-get is most certainly not outdated.
this is why we habve no friends
aptis outdated, usenalaFunny way to spell emerge.
Friends converted over to using snap, so now they all bring their (loopback) devices.
Found the Nvidia user.
It's such a pain in the ass. Every time I have a kernal update it's time to go into single user mode and hit up lynx for the new graphics driver.
Fuck NVIDIA
do you mean their graphics cards or everything they make?
No idea what else they make, but my experience with theirs graphics cards is enough to dissuade a purchase of any of their other products.
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What distro? Running OpenSUSE Tumbleweed here and used to have to do that too. It was awful.
They have an official Nvidia repo that works pretty great now though, and works between kernel updates.
...now if only updates would stop randomly deciding my computer can't wake up from sleep anymore, that'd be lovely...
Why can/is openSUSE do/doing it but not others?
Will you're almost free from that. I saw 6.7 uses the GSP firmware, so if you have a newer Turing card noveou (can never spell it) will be able to run games.
My issues have been proton with Nvidia, versions that work fine with AMD don't work with Nvidia i can't wait for NVK to be a thing.
For people who don't know what NVK is.
https://www.collabora.com/news-and-blog/news-and-events/introducing-nvk.html
w3m works a bit better in my experience
laughs in AMD
Must be a by-distro thing. On KUbuntu and Pop! I've never had any issues with Nvidia, though I know that they're a pain in the ass to work with.
Same with Mint and LMDE, it just works.
Mint is remarkably stable. They even seem to put a barrier up against Canonical's questionable decisions.
That distro needs more funding and more shout-outs.
Well it's getting better, and fast imo. When I started using Linux some 4 years ago I could barely play anything in my library. If the game had online functionality in any way, chances were it didn't run. That has gotten a lot better imo but Proton is still not where it needs to be. But things change and from what I, as a consumer, can see it seems like the biggest problem now are invasive Anti-Cheats rather than anything fundamentally breaking the games.
Edit: but yeah, it sucks when shit ain't working and the small fraction of stuff not working is still a bit much to swallow
I've built my current gaming pc in april of 2022, installed ubuntu and really haven't had any issues that weren't solved by 5 minutes of googling
for me it's mostly because i specifically messed something up
I prefer co op games anyway so there is no reason to be forced to opt into an anti cheat game but here we are.
Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Linux when using Proton. 👌
That's gotta be rectifiable somehow. Did you contact some sort of support?
That ban also pop up on your steam account? Because if it does that can screw you in other games if they have community servers.
How is that not illegal?
Well, civil rights lawyers have been pretty busy lately trying to stop the slide into facism, so they haven’t gotten around to making our choice of OS a protected class.
Seriously though, why would it be illegal? It’s their game, so they get to be assholes and decide who gets to play it with them. I don’t think that’s ever going to change, and I’m not sure it should. We do the same thing in the Fediverse, deciding who gets to use the instances we control.
I would say claiming that a game supports a certain operating system and then banning players for playing it on the system is false advertising, especially if the game is paid.
The game is listed as not supporting SteamOS (Arguably the most popular linux distro for gaming right now) and incorporating drm that does not work on Linux, this is far from false advertising as I can see it. https://store.steampowered.com/app/2073850/THE_FINALS/
If someone buys a product from you, you shouln’t be able to deny them from using it based on arbitrary criteria without a refund.
Don’t worry, they refunded his $0 for the free game.
Oh, it’s free? Then never mind.
Most of the games not running today would run perfectly if they did not have some bullshit anti-cheat implemented (Easy Anti-Cheat is I think the worst offender here).
Source: personal experience checking ProtonDB for games I want to play
I understand developers needs for decent Anti-Cheat and I am not faulting them for using Anti-Cheat systems in general.
But Kernel level Anti-Cheats should not exist. No application should ever have this level of access over your entire PC. You have no idea what these Anti-Cheats are doing, you have no idea what data they are collecting and sending to whom and you have no idea what kind of security flaws they introduce. For all you know every password you type on your computer is shared with the companies using Kernel Level Anti-Cheat. Your PC might as well have no password anymore. If someone finds an exploit for Easy Anti-Cheat (or any of the other dozen Kernel level Anti-Cheats out there) and deploys a Virus over it then your best bet is turning religious because praying for divine intervention would be more effective than any Anti-Virus software.
Has that literally ever happened with kernal level anti-cheats?
https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/
Well if that were working I doubt we'd have two dozen Anti-Cheat Systems. You can lock down a system as much as you want the cheaters will always find a way unless the game itself discourages it.
And then this isn't as much about privacy as it is about basic system security. I mean sure the privacy concern is there but it's less of a concern for most people. There's not much to gain from a rootkit with average Joe, after all their entire life is already on Instagram. No the far more serious part is that these Anti-Cheats are ripping country sized holes into your computers security, as can be seen beautifully by Genshin's kernel level
malwareanti-cheat being used as a convenient rootkit for a ransomware (https://www.pcgamer.com/ransomware-abuses-genshin-impacts-kernel-mode-anti-cheat-to-bypass-antivirus-protection/). If you are willing to compromise your PC's security for a tiny decrease in cheaters sure go ahead, but don't come crying when it inevitably blows up in your face and your PC becomes the victim of a hack exploiting this shit.Once upon a time all Apps ran on Kernel level, there's a reason we don't do that anymore.
Huh? Easy Anti-Cheat is the one that actually works for me on Linux.
see my reply to another comment here. I mentioned EAC simply because most games use it and don't enable the required flag for Linux support.
Ah, TIL! Thanks :]
Battlebit Remastered ran fine with EZ anti-cheat through steam on Mint 21.3, with no exra steps required, just this week. Did something get fixed, or was I just lucky?
iirc Easy-Anticheat has a sort of "Lite" mode that also runs on Linux, enabling it makes the games work with Proton but iirc degrades the Anticheat capabilities on those Systems. Because the Linux Anticheat isn't as effective (and because it's an Opt-In) most games don't use it.
Talking a lot out of my ass here but I think that's how it was explained back when they made that change.
The only games that give me any trouble are some Japanese VNs, which can be absolutely cursed for some reason. Like, massive tech juggernauts like Cyberpunk are click and play, but I've spent hours getting books-with-PNGs working.
That's because their code quality is usually an absolute dumpster fire that only works if Wine exactly replicates obscure Windows bugs.
the one i am the most sad about is magicka 1 - great game but getting it to run on linux is (as far as i've found so far) pretty much impossible.
Won't claim that it runs all that great on windows either though - getting through a chapter without crashing is rarer than i'd like it to be...
I recently heard about this. I used to play it. I searched on the steam discussion page and there is a fan patch that fixes all the crashes. It is on github. I found it for you. Try this. https://github.com/pj1234678/MagickaFix
was aware of it but it sadly doesn't run on linux (at least not after me doing trial and error for 4 hours) and i felt the comparison to the unmodded one on windows fairer under these circumstances - thanks for trying to help though :)
Destiny 2 still won't work, and Simracing is still a no go.
The simracing part is a real bummer. That's the only reason I'm still on Win.
That just means you can't buy 12 dlc to unlock the seasons, dungeons, raids, and whatever the hell else they're paywalling. Destiny got enshittified.
I recommend warframe as a destiny alternative. But Beware! if you like the game you may sink thousands of hours into it
Ha, jokes on you, already Legend rank 3.
I have no life.There are a couple, but I'm spoiled for choice with great games so the convenience of being able to run something on my Steam Deck means that the few that don't run just drop to the bottom of the backlog. Proton is really a brilliant feat of engineering.
My problem is that I enjoy specific multiplayer games. League, Val, Finals. Those are the three right now and riot specifically seems a tad disinterested in Linux. Sadge.
League is owned by Tencent who is specifically interested in using the software for the benefit of the Chinese government as is mandatory for them. They don't want you using an OS with actual security. Heck, they don't even want you to see a skin or splash art that hasn't been approved by their government!
The anti cheat in league is literally a rootkit.
When it came out there was an outcry and their statement was basically "okay okay, so its a rootkit. But guys, you can trust us! We're totally not going to do anything nefarious with it!"
I can't believe people still play that shit.
You mean Vanguard, which was announced but isn't actually in the game yet. Their plan is to add it late February or early March. We don't actually know any details about the implementation except that it won't be used in the macOS version.
I thought it was going to be added this 24th, I was playing this week a lot as a "last goodbye" for that reason
Genshin Impact, anticheat thibjs you're cheating, blocked until fixed. Happens every update.
Good luck!
Genshin works by now lol
I’ve run into many, the latest being Rising Storm 2. Its development has been suspended and the EAC is a version that doesn’t work with Linux, so you can’t play on any servers except the ones that allow hackers. There’s also the issues with performance in Squad on Linux. Starship Troopers: Extermination also runs better on Windows. That’s just the ones I’ve had an issue with in the past month.
That being said, I’m still not willing to go back to Windows, even to play these games.
As a novice, how does one use proton, and can I install StarCraft 2
You install it from within Steam,
or using flatpak if you're installing Steam via flatpak[Proton on flatpak has reached EOL, try installing via Steam instead]. Then in settings you set it so every game uses the Proton compatibility layer, or whatever it's called. You don't have to do it per game, it's a global setting (as well as a setting for each game if you prefer).I can't answer for a specific game though, you'd have to simply try it out or check a database which has info on games that can run using Proton. I don't know the site from memory.
Thanks for the info!
On Eindows, StarCraft 2 comes from the Blizzard battle.net launcher.
I’m curious to know if I get a steam deck if I can play non steam games. I don’t really want to install windows on it.
Let's hope someone who knows about Steam Deck can answer that for you. Otherwise I'd try to find a community dedicated to Steam Deck. 👍
Ha yeah I’ll investigate. I believe it has a desktop you can get to with browser etc, and it’s based on Arch. So perhaps it’s possible somehow.
Thanks anyway
Maybe i bricked something in my machine somewhere when messing with drivers for machine learning cuda support. But I often have games that are 'supported' through proton but fail to launch or even crash my PC. Metro exodus & deep rock to name a few. Other games do run great. But still things like steam big picture being laggy is annoying.
yeh that'll probably be it tbf... the cuda drivers are specifically for scientific computing and are pretty rubbish for anything else unfortunately... even amd ones are like that :(
however a way i found around it is to just push my gpu compute envs to docker and voila (also avoids the pain of installing the drivers cos nvidia actually provides a cuda docker image) :D
That's actually a good tip. Even though I don't use CUDA and never have.
For me it's mostly games that work for everyone else on Linux.
Are you saying you haven't been able to get it to work?
GtaV on Steam just doesn't start since years and on multiple computers. Same for others who generally are considered good on proton.
Online game... Hm, anti cheat kicking in? Any error messages, GUI or in console?
Sadly no, offline games, steam only tells me on cli it shut them down
I mean, some games do not work. Because they do not work on Windows as well. Looking at you, ksp 2 🤦♂️
It's such a shame about KSP 2. I was so hyped when I saw it was announced, then it all turned to shiz.
Haven't run into a game yet that doesn't run on Windows.
Without the need to fiddle with any settings. It is all just click and play.
Same experience on Linux for me. Install Steam, install Proton, set it to be default for all games. Click and play. 🙂👍 Not really "fiddling". It's a one-time thing that I equate to just installing Steam. Very good experience.
I love Linux, but I never expect it to be mainstream or even extremely accessible to typical users. In fact, if it made it to mainstream, it'd probably get ruined somehow by corporate interference, monetization, etc. How you may ask? Well, corporations have a lot of money and influence and I'm sure they could "find a way" if motivated to do so.
It already is mainstream. You probably own 10 times as many computers running Linux than Windows without even knowing it.
Desktop computers are a just a tiny part of the market.
Yeah, it did. It’s called Android.
Aren't there Android versions that don't have all the Google things and are open source? (GrapheneOS and LineageOS) If you're just talking about your average android I'm afraid I agree and am an offender myself. (I hope to change that one day though)
Google still controls the source, and so they have influence over the rest.
It's like Ungoogled Chromium. Sure, it's open source. Sure, if might have Google crap removed. Google still calls the shots on the direction of the browser.
Same still meaningfully applies to Chromium-based browsers.
That's good to know.
This is a dumb argument. Yes, my phone uses Linux. How many of the Android users actively come in contact with the underlying system?
Mainstream Linux means a big part of people actively choosing to install a Linux distribution or buy a computer or notebook with a real Linux distro pre installed (not that lightweight barebones distro they preinstall so they can sell it without Windows but with OS).
I use Gentoo, the family PC has OpenSUSE, only my wife's laptop has Windows... Because guess what, she wants to use what she's used to, what she knows.
How is that mainstream? Desktop computers (including notebooks) are a niche market.
Apple uses *NIX, it will either become hardware specific versions or Linux where you pay for the OS with the hardware, or be like Red Hat where you pay if you want to do anything.
The idea is that the base should be open, so you can build whatever you want on top of it.
For everything else, there will always be the Debian Foundation.
i have relinquished to windows. I log into all my pcs with my phone number now its so convenient i have like 4 licenses attached to it from buying hardware. They give me pennies for my data on Bing its hilarious ill get an Xbox 7 someday for free as a corpobitch
The new outlook though that is so ass. I expect windows 12 to be a much better experience and fully integrate the modern bloat like which sports team won last night right into my retinas!
Sounds like they gave you a free lobotomy too.
i needed it now i dont have enough neurons to experience distress
This seems dated. I'm not saying there is no issues but man has it improved so much.
Improved =/= working 100% of the time
Ah, yes, not 100% of the time. You know, like Windows. Thanks for the laugh.
I use Android btw
Gotta get that Bingo Blitz!
Implying that windows is stable, lol
So much shit keeps moving... Usually for NO REASON, even on Android run into it all the time.
Correct. There are still games that don't work because there is actual work being done to make them not work.
I wonder where the problem is... must be Linux' fault.
I am ignorant. Please explain.
DRM in many games doesn't work on Linux. In some cases, like games that use EAC, this is technically just a checkbox at build time where they decide not to support Linux.
There are also some weird libraries and low-level interfaces that refuse to even work through wine/proton, but that's pretty rare nowadays. You have to be actively trying to find something that won't work at all on Linux.
I am ignorant. Please explain.
I assume using anti cheat and not including the files so it works on Linux. I'm of the opinion people shouldn't buy games with anti cheat, but that's just my opinion.
Meh i had to restart overwatch a few times because it has a bug where sometimes miving my mouse in any way causes me to look up and spin counter clockwise at an insane speed... So yeah theres that
It has but for multiplayer games and especially a game you never launched before there can be some friction.
It's different for different people. The distro, the hardware, and the game can all have an effect on how often problems arise.
For sure, but just as an example I tried starting Black Mesa on steam yesterday, which has a native release, but had to tinker quite a bit to get it working. Unfortunately I think it's often the case that the native releases gets forgotten and lags behind the windows/proton releases
Impossible, I've had Linux users swear to me that gaming on Linux is now perfect and even better than on Windows!
I've had people tell me that they experience better performance running games on Linux through Proton compared to running them natively on Windows. A while back, I decided to try Windows for the first time since 2002 on actual hardware. With TF2, I encountered significantly more crashes & lag compared to running it on my Arch install....
I can echo this. My games do have better performance running on pop_os rather than Windows.
This seems to be the Windows/Linux yinyang in gaming.
If you go through the effort (or non-effort. It really seems to be luck-based) of getting a gaming rig working in linux, 99% of the time it is simply better at everything, crashes less, etc. The 1% can require hours or more of troubleshooting.
Windows runs slower and worse than linux, and arguably less stable. But you boot up, click play, and (largely) it just plays.
That's also my recent experience with Ubuntu on a gaming laptop. Every single step of the way gives me trouble, but when I manage to run something in the linux side, boy does it run well. So I've got this nice "todo" since I already blew my only free day on it last weekend.
A friend of a friend tried daily driving Ubuntu recently & had a few problems (some of which were gaming related). They eventually switched to Linux Mint and pretty much most of their problems seemed to disappear....
Interesting. I wish I could bring myself to like mint. I've typecast myself as an ubuntu-head ever since I went full "Elder Price" with the CDs back at my first dev gig.
I've never used mint myself, but I've heard good things about it. Last time I used Ubuntu on actual hardware was around 2008 I think. For the most part I've been using either Arch, Debian or Fedora....
It usually goes like this:
If you're getting crashes and lag on TF2, that's your pc. Do you have to hand crank it or something?
I have to wait for the vacuum tubes to warm up when i turn it on
See I only got lag & crashes on windows, when on my Arch install I had/have no problems whatsoever. I haven't used windows since 2002 & don't really plan on doing so any time soon, the install was just to quickly see what windows 10 was like compared to Linux....
I have actually only had one singular issue with gaming in the last year (time frame. Not 2024) and that is fixed by restarting the game
Having problems with games sometimes is better than having less problems with games at the cost of your system being bloated, slow and designed in such a way that when it breaks you can't do anything about it besides sfc /scannow and when that doesn't work as usual, a complete os reinstall. Linux saves me time but that's only because it's possible to have the skill to fix all the random issues you run into, unlike with Windows.
Its not perfect, but its really damn good.
Just takes a little patience and research, mostly to find out if the type of games you generally play use invasive anticheat/drm or not, since those are the most likely to not run.
but I wont say protons perfect. I've had a few games with issues, some big, some small.. All usually get fixed with time, though, and now those games run great.
But in the interest of laying it all bare, I will say the 1 enduring issue I have is how janky it is to get Vortex to work for modding games, specifically Skyrim and Fallout 4.. but thats less a proton/linux issue, as it is a Vortex issue. Big strides would be made with a linux version, but Vortex is just jank in general, even on windows.
And To be clear, I say its jank. Not impossible. I modded the shit out of my Fallout 4 install just last night. but to do it I have to launch the game with STL, use that to launch vortex, the use vortex to launch F4SE.
edit I just discovered Mo2 linux installer, and oh my god its so much easier..can even download direct from nexus with the vortex download button.
this is exactly me every time i'm showing someone how easy it is nowadays to run games in linux, only for the game that was running perfectly the previous night to throw some random error and crash my system
The only time I have trouble with Linux gaming is either a multiplayer game I want to play isn't supported or some Visual Novel having random issues every once in a while. But this meme is still true lol.
"ah shucks, Windows Update just initiated a reboot without asking, guess I'm out for the night guys"
Everyone in the comments: "Actually I don't have the same problems so this is wrong"
I always hear people say they sometimes have issues with games but I've switched to Linux relatively recently and I still haven't had a game in my library that didn't play.
Ever since Valve started kicking it for Wine/Proton, gaming has been a cinch.
It's crazy how much better things are now. I had the same reaction some weeks ago when I wanted to play Leathal Company with friends and remembered I'm on Linux while they all used some 3rd party Windows only mod manager. One day later I found r2modman in the AUR which automatically recognized Steam + Proton and everything just ran. And there is even a Titanfall 2 cross platform mod program!!!! The sofware support just keeps getting better every day.
Steam with Proton made this way more easier than in the past. OTOH, yeah, sometimes I feel like this when tuning CS2 on Wayland.
biggest ongoing issue i've had is getting Vortex working for Bethesda games.
but I just found a linux installer for Mo2, and while I dont like having to launch Mo2 to launch my modded game.. its fucking ecstasy island compared to the horrific jank of dealing with Vortex.
Vortex worked fine with my (pirated) copy of Starfield near launch. I think I launched it externally, not through Vortex though. I know CKAN for KSP2 works fine but fails to launch the game, at least for me. It also requires forcing an override on a DLL to get most mods to function, but it's not much of a hassle.
I installed KDE Neon on Friday evening and things were going great, everything was testing well, and Saturday game night with the gang went flawlessly, but this morning the VMWare Horizon Linux client spontaneously decided that it didn't want to accept mouse input anymore, so after ten minutes of troubleshooting I gave up and booted back into Windows so that I can be productive today.
A battle lost, but the war is not over yet.
I get it, mice frequently just talk about nonsense.
I got one that kept trying to get me to tell it the ultimate question or something, whatever that is.
I think i know the answer...
Fievel: am I a joke to you?
Yeah give me a minute to install and setup proprietary Nvidia drivers, Retroarch, PCSX2, Lutris, Steam and Wine-staging along with all of the necessary dependencies. Worth it tho
It's always best to try it well ahead of time even if it's just for having that shader cache setup and ready to go.
Also trying to get trainers to run is a bit of a nightmare. I use steamtinkerlauncher for that and it's hit or miss I'd say.
install grub
install windows
only boot into windows
???
Is this true anymore with Steams Version of Linux? For the most part shit runs fine on my steam deck
Let's hope that game is open source, otherwise Richard Stallman would be very disappointed.
Meh. I definitely had issues getting bg3 working well on Linux.
Eventually I switched to windows and it was a nightmare of different and worse issues.
Back to Linux, found a fix. Sweet.
Me playing wow on lutris and it crashing the one time a week as we start a raid boss.
The only things I can't play on linux are games with heavy kernel-injected anti-cheats and racing games (AC and BNG). Everything else "just works". Hell, I even managed to get Overcooked's cross-platform version to work.
Steam Deck time
I'm too blind for a tiny screen.
Reading this on smartphone in browser with desktop mode permanently enabled (and increased dp beyond smallest display size limit in dev settings).
I just wish it was 16:9. These ultrawide aspect ratios are terrible for a phone. Hell, I just want something like those old phablets.
My first "smartphone" was a 7" tablet with SIM card. Perhaps I should just try something like that, but tablets tend to be underpowered.
Nintendo 3DS XL time then
There's no shame in dual booting. Moving all your non-gaming stuff away from windows is a big step in the right direction.
Is the joke that games are proprietary software too?
Well that too. The real joke is that despite the fact we've had 10 "years of the linux desktop", it's still an absolute bitch to get PICK A GAME working on that shiny linux box.
My new Lenovo Legion, I'm struggling with desktop graphics tearing issues in linux (just viewing the WM, of all things). When i have time, I'll muddle through it, but I can't pretend that is easier in linux than windows. It's vendor-driven, sure, but the end user doesn't care why they waste 8 hours doing setup work, only THAT they do.
THIS oh my god
And the amount of people that will do ANYTHING to defend Linux baffles me, and they all do it thinking they help Linux in general instead of highlighting their issues so they can be fixed
"Trust me guys, it's 95% better with Proton now" lol
Some of those people need to see all the users asking for help on Linux gaming forums.
Not trying to dismiss that Linux Gaming has gotten better before Proton but it can be an absolute pain at times.
Yeah, trust me, Linux Gaming used to be real shit. "When it works it works" is lightyears better than it used to be.
I remember in my linux-only years, trying to muddle through linux exclusives. Oftentimes you had to be super careful because linux doesn't love prepared binaries
I mean, I freaking LOVE linux. And for what it's good for, it's the best of the best. I've never had a better dev experience than in Ubuntu, mostly because WSL is a pale shadow of a good unix backend (and because Macs, while good, are still subpar for that purpose). But that means I'm already committing 40 hours a week to maintaining and using my machine!
But for gaming? For casual use? I dunno. The hardware has to be hand-picked carefully, as do the games.
Hearing this sort of stuff before is why I just chose to use WSL with my Lenovo Legion. Especially since mine has an RTX card in it
I hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate hate WSL with a passion that makes me scream. It has BSOD-looped a computer on me before. WSL is the only thing worse than making Linux work on something like a Legion.
Adding Docker Desktop on top of WSL is just a disasterpiece, and I have to work against a large dev docker cluster on a regular basis.
But if I'm being honest, none of that matters for gaming.
That and the software the hardware uses itself is proprietary
It doesn't have to be
Wish I could play games on Linux, but for some fucking reason I can't figure out my gaming laptop with Nvidia 1660ti will not work properly with most games. If I ever can afford a new computer I'm probably going with AMD instead tbh.
What's the output of
nvidia-smi? If it's a newer laptop you might need to add a machine owner key so that secureboot will allow the required dynamic kernel modules to load. In debian the module will be signed with thedkmssigning key, adding it as a MOK is fairly simple. https://wiki.debian.org/SecureBoot#Making_DKMS_modules_signing_by_DKMS_signing_key_usable_with_the_secure_boot*Try disabling secureboot first, if things start working re-enable it and follow the advice above.
Good advice? In a meme thread? It's more likely than you think.
While it's great that your helping them ..
This answer is exactly WHY Linux isn't desktop/gamer ready yet. At least for the masses.
Oh absolutely.
what distro are you using? I never had any issues on my nvidia build with nobara
Optimus? Because Optimus is an absolute bastard. It's improved and I've had some luck, but it's painful.
If your game run terribly on Wayland, try running in on X11, and vice-versa.
I know this is quite unprompted, but did you install correct video drivers? You gotta install proprietary nvidia drivers and its 32-bit libraries instead of nouveau
I thought that was just Ubisoft quality control. :D
This was me last week when my wife wanted to play a PC game together and I threw the PC to the TV via HDMI for the first time since I switched from Windows to Arch. The audio would not work at all despite all the settings being very clear that it should be sending the audio over the HDMI. Same physical/hardware/cable/TV as the setup that worked flawlessly in Windows. Still not thrilled about that one.
Make sure it's sending to the correct port, if you go into the audio device management of whatever your desktop environment of choice was you should notice that you have the advanced options on the HDMI to select which HDMI port it's going to
Still a couple deal breakers for me, though most stuff otherwise runs fine. No HDR support. Sucks if you have a great monitor but can't use it. No nvidia broadcast. Necessary for my mic+speaker setup, common alternative such as noisetorch are convenient, but don't even come close to echo filtering quality from the speakers. Yes, that's super subjective obviously. Performance tends to be noticeably to only slightly worse on max settings with nvidia on highly specialized, very demanding games. Some anti cheat tools struggle with compatibility modes.
We're getting there, but it's tough with nvidia not caring. :/
I understand the HDR thing dealt with the standards for it being absolute undecided mess; but it's looking like we'll have support cranked out before the end of 2024. Here's hoping, I do all my multimedia stuff on KDE.
The problem is that we will have crap loads more cool tech by that time. And none will work on Linux. It's always years behind.
On this I must respectfully disagree.
HDR monitors have been standardized more poorly than Bluetooth was, so I could kind of see this sort of producer interference coming. It didn't help that the average user doesn't even understand what that means.
Most modern hardware works out of the box on Linux, and often runs a stripped down kernel as its own firmware.
Except that it doesn't.
That's the biggest issue and unfortunately there's not much that can be done about that except maybe Linux users swearing off of NVIDIA.
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My intent was just to provide a viewpoint from someone that loves and uses Linux aplenty, but spends a lot of time with Max quality gaming, using high end hardware.
And while things have improved massively over the past years and probably will get even better in the next years, nvidia's monopoly on top performance GPU means I'm being bottle necked by their shitty Linux support.
Sure, I can play almost any game out there on Linux, but not with the performance and sometimes not even the same quality I can achieve with Windows. I know this is no fault of Linux, but it's the pragmatic reality I'm confronted with.
This anime girl is so cute.
in case you're interested at all
I are interested.
Also heck yeah! I already had this on my list as it is!
Are you 12??
no hes just weird
Is it really 5 minutes? Usually I ask for 2 hours and then spend 2 days on it and by that time there is a new game my friends found
i thought this was about game development for a second and was confused as to why you wouldn't be able to do that on linux
This is the thing which keeps me from switching entirely to Linux. A friend of mine needs twice the amount of Time to start his Games (which is something I would have no Problem with) and what makes it not worth switching imo is that he loses the sound from Discord when he plays. He needs to restart DC then. And no one knows why ._.
One of my friends and I end up troubleshooting for an hour before we can actually start playing games. Every single time. Linux just doesn't want us to play games together, I guess.
I mean, Lutris, Protonup-qt and Winetricks get the job done pretty easily and fast once you learn how to use them.
Windows virtual machine as a backup if needed 👍
it's as easy as windows nowadays
Same thing for me on Windows. Technology is just angering.
me, trying to setup Skyrim mods to play Skyrim CO-OP with friends and constantly failing to setup a mod manager:
Is that game open source?
Anyone playing Outer Worlds, the Spacers Choice Edition? Suuuper annoying issues, I might actually install it on Windows instead
Edit:
Flawless on Windows, general performance seems to be a tad better, too.
Which is great to see, because that means it's not the game itself, and that maybe Wine/Proton will be able to fix these issues
It's just metacommentary on the illusion of choice from corporations. Stay the course comrade
you sure it's not just the Spacers Choise edition? AFAIK that version of the game is (or at least was? I dunno) pretty broken on all platforms.
Well, yes. Which is why I mentioned the Spacers Choice edition.
It doesn't seem to have the same specific issues on Windows though, apart from generally performng worse than anyone would expect it to.
So I reckon I'll just try and see for myself if that's true. Because the problems many Linux users (me included) seem to have according to ProtonDB make the game borderline unplayable.
Sometimes not even borderline.
Nobara + NVIDIA here. Everything works. Always. Seriously.
Does multi monitor setup with different DPI work? Do DRM videos play? HDR?
They probably meant "everything that they use it for". Like, in my case everything on Linux works for me, but I don't play multiplayer games or use Photoshop. I have a single old monitor that can't do HDR. I don't watch Netflix. To be fair and pedantic, not everything anyone could possibly ever want to do works on Windows 11, either.
Of course I haven't tested everything. But I've tested over 25 games and havent add issues. I do some serious audio editing (Reaper + tons of VST), video editing (Davinci Studio) and even tried some game engine stuff on linux (Unreal , Godot). Pretty much everything worked out of the box on Nobara. It's optmize for games and AV. Honestly, even a year ago, I had no idea Linux was so good. I use (and teach) macOS for work, and was using Windows for gaming, but now I can do 90% of my things on Linux.
Yes, Yes (I think?, like what videos?), and Yes apparently.
Well, too many Linuxians tell us it should work "flawless" because "gaming on Linux has improved sooo sooo much!"
Most shit works, that said your expectations should firstly be that any windows only game doesnt work even if its not the case because the fact that its running most windows only games without major problems is really impressive, show me how to do that on windows (VM not allowed as Wine and proton arent VMs)
I don't need to adhere to the FOSS philosophy in the extreme to be allowed to use Linux
Thats not the point. You buy Games by Developers with limited resources. They dont care about FOSS you could say, in many cases. So you are unsupported.
Linux runs Linux Apps, its Essence is that it is a free OS, that you can trust.
Running proprietary stuff made for other Platforms is interesting but a Battle. It makes no sense you could say.
It makes Sense for Valve, as they save themselves Billions in Windows Licenses and they can make a tailored device. And they sell Games.
For you, paying for Games and then working to make them run, I dont know.
Not that I dont like the idea, but its the job of Developers to make the Games run.
Sure... Which is why Valve has built Proton, which makes nearly all PC games run on Linux... Sure, the developers of the games themselves should have made the Linux port, but for many developers it's cost prohibitive to support another platform with very few potential customers.
But the more players who run Linux (and Steam Deck by extension), the larger the incentive for developers to support Linux natively. And in turn more games will get made for Linux, which will draw in more people to switch to Linux.
So as long as my game runs, then I don't care whether it was the original developer, Valve or an open-source developer why wrote the code that made it work. And luckily I'm one of those people that don't mind having to tinker a bit to make things work (hence why I'm on Linux in the first place)
If we as gamers stubbornly refuse to switch to Linux until our games are natively ported, then developers might as well just develop their games for Windows, where the players are...
The thing is that Proton runs multiple Apps. So no, its development, when shared, would not be too much work for Developers.
I agree that Linux users need to be different because we pay with time, the will to tinker, report bugs etc.
I mean, I beat Ori and the Blind Forest on linux. Does that count?
Funny coincidence, that game was sitting in my backlog for a while and was the first game I installed on my deck. It's impressive how beautiful they were able to make such a dark and bleak forest. And yeah, 0 problems so far.
Battlebit Remastered T_T
It runs amazingly on linux, I have about 40 hours on the official release, and about 200on the beta all linux.
I tried like 6 Proton versions when there was that F2P weekend and it was impossible even to get the anticheat installer to work on Ubuntu 22.04.
IDK what I was doing wrong.
Ubuntu, there is your answer.
On a serious note, are you sure you had the anticheat runtimes installed?
This right here. I've spent a few hours troubleshooting why I can't play Hell Let Loose, which also uses EAC, even though it should support Linux. Turned out, that you need to specifically search for (in your Library) and install "Proton EasyAntiCheat Runtime", which is a separate game that for some reason didn't get installed when you install the game.
I suppose it's going to be the same with Battlebit, because I'm sure I played it on Linux and had 0 issues.
Not even with the stupid runtime worked me back then...
I remember trying that too. It was something you install via Steam, right?
When you switch proton versions, it might be a good idea to delete the prefix directory. I find that helps.
On the other hand I have a laptop with Intel and dedicated Nvidia card. Longterm ongoing heat problems (one heat pipe, one cooler, bad placement, thanks Dell) killed the Nvidia card.
Windows couldn't run anymore and couldn't be installed again.
With linux the laptop works again, at least with the Intel 3rd generation card.
can i get the meme template?
Aren't we all tired of this meme by now? Especially in this new age of Steam deck?
Seems a bit like trolling at this point.
If I were to pick someone likely to overcome this adversity, it would be Miko.
Plus their computer is probably still running proprietary firmware
What games are you trying? Off the top of my head, I've played monster hunter world, hunt showdown, cyberpunk 2077, baldur's gate 3, norman reedus and the funky fetus, elden ring, deep rock galactic, doom (the new ones), apex, the dark souls games, warframe, and a few more over the years.
Anything with Anti-cheat seems to be a lot of work. Granted I only tried Fall Guys and Fortnite. But both of them take forever just to login.
Is Anno 1404 installed through Lutris?
Can't speak about the rest but
Works fine on my 3070. Actually worked on release too. I'm on medium-high graphics 60fps in 4k.
Okay but with a 1660 super even on Windows that game won't run too well. I know its above minimum reqs but that card is old. Even my 2080 TI is starting to show some age with framerates and what.
ITT: People getting mad for saying a 3 generations, 4 year old low end gpu is the issue
I mean, then it's not really linux, is it?
As for the card, I bought it before it became apparent how overpriced it was, and it was a major upgrade from my second hand 970 anyway. And I didn't splurge, I saved and bought what I thought made sense for me, when I could've 'splurged' on a 3080.
Too real
Hits me right in the kokoro, this is so relatable
Literally me when I was trying to get League working on Kubuntu on an 8-year old laptop lol
Use Debian or anything stable.
I like to imagine someone saying the top part out right before they start a round of a game then immediately transition to the bottom.
I'm so confused by why people have trouble with Nvidia on Linux. I have been using Debian and Ubuntu for as long as I can remember with Nvidia and it's never been a problem. Now I use Pop and it's perfectly fine too. No problem running dual 4K 60Hz monitors... Is the support bad on non-Debian distros?
What about 4K 120Hz with HDR? How well does that work on Linux with nVidia?
Use KDE on the very latest kernel on Wayland, in theory it should work well but YMMV.
Good to know, thanks. I want to switch so badly but last time I checked, HDR support on *nix is still in its early stages. I'll check it out.
KDE very recently implemented some HDR support thanks to Valve, GNOME is still waiting on some PR getting merged.
4k 120Hz will work without any special setup but HDR is a whole nother thing
Depends on the distro. I spent a lot of time in the TTY with NixOS before I was able to get my 4070 Ti working. On Pop it worked out of the box, but that's not a worthwhile trade-off to me these days. Nix or bust.
On EndeavourOS I had some trouble for a bit but I think I got some drivers from flatpak and they worked with no problem.
From my experience running windows game inside wine, it's run but doesn't run smoothly like i running in windows
I don't know if i missing something at installation process, i've been trying install it with bottles same thing happened
But good news now is i can find some games at gog that running on linux natively
Why would anyone using FOSS stuff like Linux even want shitty corporate games anyway?
I know there's some good FOSS games out there, but unlike regular software the quality and quantity doesn't match up with proprietary options IMO.
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