Spyke
kbin.social

I sell the things you need to be
I'm the smiling face on your TV
Oh, I'm the cult of personality

I exploit you, still you love me
I tell you one and one makes three
Oh, I'm the cult of personality

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It’s a great song. I recently learned that they’re still performing. Would buy a ticket if they played here.

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lemmy.world

He speaks to their "truths." He feeds their hopes. He bolsters their fear of a diminishing relevance. He says things they want to hear in a way that they understand.

He's the only one who holds a branch out to them and they clutch on to it like the trumpanzees they are.

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discuss.online

It seems that the importance of...ahem, "telling it like it is" cannot be overstated. i.e., racism is an extremely powerful effect.

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lemmy.world

"telling it like it is" is just coded language to say "he says the shitty things that I think are true, so it makes me feel less shitty and empty inside"

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"He's making it so that I can say the shitty things I have always just thought."

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it is pretty powerful having your beliefs be broadcasted and repeated ad nauseum by a figure you consider of authority. like discovering the idea you thought you had originally being already out there said by someone you hold in respect. for trump followers him just being the nominee of their party of blind choice is already worthy of praise and admiration.

trump just loves their endless money pit, and will say just about anything to get it. they love that they have a former president with attention from the media to propagate their delusions.

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"Instead of taking the time to reflect on why people call me an idiot I'll try to get someone like me in power!"

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lolcatnipreply
reddthat.com

One could argue that stupidity is just a lack of intelligence, so it's not really something you have.

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Empricornreply
feddit.nl

No, that's ignorance, which is not a moral failing. These people are stupid. Willfully-ignorant, head in the sand, turn their heads, keep others from bettering themselves, stupid.

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Ignorance is not having knowledge, you can be both stupid and knowledgable or intelligent and ignorant. Not knowing how to wash your clothes is being ignorant, not being able to figure out how to wash your clothes is being stupid.

EDIT: Not to mention that someone can be stupid in one area and insanely intelligent in another. It's not a direct personality trait, although people will probably categorize other people based on the categories in which they are one or the other.

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Nothing left but fear, hate... and also, if polls hold, the senate, the house, the presidency, and they already have scotus, state-level politics, and huge tranches of circuit courts.

Yes, they're going to be crying so hard after they read all these dank, critical memes. That'll show 'em!

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lemmy.world

The problem with democracy is that most people are ignorant ...

edit: changed retarded to ignorant, I apologize to anyone who felt offended by my use of the term.

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Chapeau! That is in fact the video I had in mind when I wrote my original comment. However, I was informed that the choice of words is considered offensive nowadays, so I changed it because it was not my intention to hurt anybody's feeling.

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lemmy.world

It drives me nuts that people just casually toss out that slur.

English has so many other words you can use without insulting a whole group of innocent people and using this slur is just lazy.

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Nakedmolereply
lemmy.world

Apologies, I am not a native speaker, what adjective would you propose instead?

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Riskreply
feddit.uk

Aren't 'stupid' and 'idiot' just even older versions of 'retarded' and all describe people with developmental and/or learning disabilities?

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ADTJreply
feddit.uk

Yep, also "dumb", " lame " etc. These are words for disabilities which then entered common parlance as slurs.

"retarded" is actually the other way round in that it just means "slowed" - but has historically been used as an insult directed towards people with mental disabilities.

Personally I think that what's offensive is scolding people for using the word in the correct context which prevents society from losing the association with the disabled and instead continues perpetuating that meaning even though that's the opposite of what they claim to be trying to do

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lemmy.world

"Retarded" definitely didn't start out as an insult. There was a time when "mentally retarded" was what people with developmental disabilities were called by the medical establishment. My Boomer mother still uses it without malice (and is scolded by my Gen Z kids) to refer to those with cognitive disabilities because it wasn't an insult when she was a kid. It was fully an insult when my Gen X self was growing up.

I think there may be too much white knighting for a word that no one seriously uses any more. "You can't use that word because in the past it was a designation for the cognitively disabled." But really "retarded" has lost any meaning other than as an insult to mean supremely stupid. It often doesn't even refer to a person but could be an object or a situation.

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You've pointed out the whole problem. Only two generations ago the word "retarded" was used without malice to refer to individuals who had a developmental disability. To use it as an insult, now, makes it all the more demeaning to those individuals with developmental disabilities.

It's different from "dumb" or "lame," which I've never heard used as an innocent way to describe a speech or physically impaired person, firsthand. Those words fit your description, better, of those that have been so far removed from their original meaning that they are no longer offensive by today's standards.

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Completely agree, by "other way round" in my comment I meant it didn't originally mean disabled not that it started as an insult

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jwigglerreply
sh.itjust.works

You're really more offended by a person taking issue with a word that, for at least the last thirty years, has been used to insult individuals by comparing them to disabled people, as if the latter were somehow less-than? You're more offended by a person having some level of compassion toward disabled people, than by a person who speaks of them as if they're without dignity?

Pretty low if you ask me. If keeping the meaning of the insult "retarded" has higher societal importance to you than having respect for disabled people you just might be a huge piece of shit.

Literally all this dude above is asking is for people to not invoke disabled individuals when insulting another person, and people in this thread are bending over backwards to justify doing just that. Pretty fucking gross.

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You didn't seem to take offense to them using "idiot." Why are you comfortable insulting "idiots"? Do you think that mentally deficient people choose to be mentally deficient? That's just how they're born. Why would you endorse insulting someone for something they have no choice about?

Being mentally deficient is a disability. "Idiot" is no better than the other words used here. Just stop being so insulting. Seriously, wow.

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lolcatnipreply
reddthat.com

Idiot is not. It comes from a Greek word for someone who doesn't pay attention to politics.

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A little bit of both, apparently.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idiot

If this is correct, then it started out as a word for private citizen and then evolved in Greek to mean ignorant.

Then in the 19th Century was coined as a medical term.

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Nakedmolereply
lemmy.world

Edit (after I thought about it some more): I think ignorant would be best to use here, because stupid is also a slur that offends people for an inherent property, no real difference to retarded. I will edit my initial comment accordingly. Thank you for the heads up.

I just noticed your username and it made me feel so extremely disgusted that I am going to block you, just to never have to read it again, nothing personal though. Also, with such a username you are not in a particularly good position to criticize others for their choice of words imo.

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Kecessareply
sh.itjust.works

You: Insult a group of people that had no power over their condition

Them: Insults no one, has a ridiculous username

Your reaction: You're disgusting! I'll block you!

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Nakedmolereply
lemmy.world

Calling a username disgusting is not the same as calling a person disgusting. I even wrote "nothing personal".

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That's not what they mean, they mean that the person had a valid point and just had a clearly silly and exaggerated name but you decide to engage with that rather than their response to your question.

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Malfeasantreply
lemmy.world

It drives me nuts

Arrr...

insulting a whole group of innocent people

What innocent people are being insulted? The euphemism treadmill has ensured nobody is being legitimately described this way anymore, it is just an insult. Btw, idiot and stupid both used to be the correct medical terms for unusually slow mental development, it's just a matter of how much time has passed.

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"You're not the problem, it's those other guys" is a very appealing and hence powerful message that people want to believe (in fact, the worse things are, the more they want to believe it) so it easilly bypasses rationality.

You might have noticed that in America it's not just Trump using it or even just his party.

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lemmy.world

Well, that is what advertising and propaganda is.

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Eh... At this point it's more of a religion. People just believe what they want to believe. And that is the underdog who is the second coming of Jesus and will fix all problems that were created by immigrants.

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At this point you have entire media silos filled with privatized propaganda, which is just ripe for this shit to happen. And this model is cropping up around the world.

We need to react to this somehow or we'll be toast. If we can't reclaim the media landscape for professional journalism for it's own sake, we're headed down a dark road indeed.

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I think the lumpenproletariat who support him so fervently are true believers. Granted, on that side of the political cube lies and honesty all get muddled together into mush.

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Sagifuriusreply
lemm.ee

It feels logical, clever and safe to say that, but it's not remotely true.

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Sagifuriusreply
lemm.ee

It's a lot easier to be dismissive than actually think about the topic, i know.

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Sagifuriusreply
lemm.ee

sad the fucker believes national governments can't keep a secret, it's too hard, despite all evidence to the contrary, like when they release the files thirty years later and it turns out they were and the crazy people, were not.

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lemm.ee

What crazy thing declassified did I miss, because I remember a ton about UFOs, Kennedy assassination, etc going to be declassified and I don’t remember any earth shattering stories

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How sad for them? I think @christophorious is projecting: how sad for the rest of us.

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Also worth mentioning this problem is decades in the making and it's not just America. In Canada we have systematically destroyed our healthcare and education systems to the point where people and trusting them less and less. People, myself included, are not right wing and are checking out of a system that is not doing anything to protect me and mine.

I am NOT voting conservative but I can see the allure. People latch onto rhetoric when Maslow's hierarchy of needs isn't met. When you feel threatened your options disappear regardless of if they're there or not. Stress impacts your ability to think properly.

As stated elsewhere we are heading down a dark path and few of us have flashlights and are scared AF at where the mob is going to lead us.

History is repeating itself because we stopped following history and the ones we used to trust we don't anymore.

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Never forget this "man" was convicted of sexual assault & bragged about grabbing women by their genitals.

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Is that why his face is orange? Is he Bizzaro Trump? Did the Bizzaro universe steal our Trump and replace him with theirs?????

Edit: if he is not Bizzaro Trump can you imagine how decent of a person Bizzaro Trump would be?

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Well there are plenty of "journalists" over at fox that are dedicated to deceiving people.

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Yeah Trump is all that, but so is everyone else. Everyone lies to convince everyone else their share should be bigger.

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lemmy.world

What convictions?

Indictments are not convictions.

Last I checked nothing's been decided yet. Am I wrong?

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Sagifuriusreply
lemm.ee

These people think he was "convicted" because of civil court rulings here and there, mostly I think because of misleading headlines at places like /r/politics

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Yewbreply
lemmy.world

You are not factually incorrect, which is the best type of correct.

Obligatory this is not a trump endorsement, internet warriors.

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Yeah it's pretty sad when you have to put disclaimers like that on basic facts

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I mean, every single group mentioned has proven not to be trusted. You think the history books just coincidentally happen to all be written by the good guys? There's that one time the smart people marketed this safe and effective diet pill. FDA approved. Yeah, turns out it killed you. And then, orange guy.

Also, you seem to be the kind of guy that likes to be completely accurate in the ideas you present, so I believe the word you're looking for is "charges". There have been no convictions.

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His co-conspirators have absolutely been convicted. People have been imprisoned for doing his bidding.

And not just the crazies he sent to the Capitol. Michael Cohen did 3 years for following Trump's orders regarding Stormy Daniels, and now Trump himself is on trial for the same crime and Cohen is cooperating after serving his time.

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Yewbreply
lemmy.world

Who DO you trust? Its not sustainable for very long to distrust everyone. Some people are not bad.

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What's the ballpark figure on the sustainability? Two, maybe three decades? I'm not seeing any slowdown.

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You take for granted so much the FDA protects you from. You have no idea how much red tape there is to get a drug approved. I don’t know what diet pill you’re thinking of, but most are supplements and aren’t approved by the FDA. There are only a half dozen or so long term weight loss drugs approved by the FDA.

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lemmy.world

as bad as trump is obama and biden chained a presidential candidate to chair for eight hours to keep her from debating with them and to make sure it stays only two parties

biden and harris immediately went back on campaign promises and fired staffers who admitted cannabis use

national police reform promises have stalled in his time in office over policing have gotten worse looking at you cop city in georgia

national health is at risk of going in the gutter even further and that was another failed promise

list goes on

but hey vote biden he is not facist or as bad plus he is not trump

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madcaesarreply
lemmy.world

but hey vote biden he is not facist or as bad plus he is not trump

Umm yea, pretty much all the bullshit you spewed before this sentance is irrelevant (most of it is nonsense btw), since I'm gonna have to go with the NON fascist even if he isn't perfect...

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lemmy.world

chained a presidential candidate to chair to keep her from debating on the nation stage but hey that is irrelevant only trump is acting fascist

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Just curious. What do you propose Americans do instead of voting Biden?

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gramiereply
lemmy.ca

He himself has one conviction (civil, not criminal) so far, for sexual assault on E. Jean Carroll.

The people around him (Bannon, Manafort, Flynn, Weisselberg, etc.) have many convictions, including guilty pleas. If you include the January 6th insurrection, hundreds of them.

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Important note, it did not meet the legal definition of rape for NY because they define it specifically with sexual intercourse. In common terms however we'd of course call it rape.

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z3rOR0nereply
lemmy.ml

And to think only a few decades ago, Bill Clinton was nearly impeached for receiving extramarital oral sex and lying about it, all the while the general public not knowing he palled around with Jeffrey Epstein...ah, simpler, dumber, but still monstrous times.

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One of Trumps major talking points in the 2016 election was Bill Clinton was a disgraced president because he was impeached. He even hauled around Juanita Broaddrick to stick it to, checks notes, Hillary?

Such a fucking scum bag. Of course those accusations are credible but his are completely different.

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reddthat.com

Absolutely none. These people are rabid in their wrongness, and are incapable of any rational thought. Just a constant drone of “orangemanbad” playing over and over in their heads.

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lemmy.world

Right? People just hate on things that are harmful for no reason. "Orangemanbad" "Carbonemmissionsbad" "Snakevenombad" "Christofascistwannabedictatorbad"

Fukkin snowflakes.

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reddthat.com

I get that you’re being sarcastic, but you know what? You’ve changed my mind. Trump was as bad as carbon emissions and snake venom. Did you see his followers walking aimlessly in the capital on January 6th? Thank god that rebellion was quelled and we installed the, “better choice” that tangibly made American lives worse to fund a quagmire war in Ukraine. Then, after a complete lack of pushback, because, “at least he’s not literally Hitler,” he went on to hurt our lives even more to commit ACTUAL genocide in Gaza, using American livelihood to fund it,

But you know, nobody on his “team” dressed up in a bear skin and larped around a defunct government building. So, you know, he’s the good guy.

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lemmy.world

Did you see his followers walking aimlessly in the capital on January 6th?

No, but I did see them vandalizing a building I pay for, smearing shit on my walls and damaging priceless historically important artifacts. I saw them stealing government laptops and trying to sell them on eBay, and they did all of this at the behest of a rejected president who was trying to whip the mob into more overt and brazen acts.

...we installed the, “better choice” that tangibly made American lives worse to fund a quagmire war in Ukraine.

I actually don't have a problem with supporting Ukraine. I think it's a damn shame that we are cutting blank checks to Israel, who is currently in the act of committing genocide, instead of supporting a sovereign nation trying to defend itself from the literal war crimes being committed on its people by a very large and very corrupt neighbor.

he went on to hurt our lives even more to commit ACTUAL genocide in Gaza

Biden is commiting genocide in Gaza? That's a big jump. Don't act like Republicans are doing the right thing here and resisting Biden's support for Israel. They were practically tripping over themselves to send money to Israel to kill Muslims. MEANWHILE they are stonewalling attempts to help Ukraine in order to get more racist, anti-humanitarian border policies passed.

I'm not happy about Biden, but I won't entertain for a nanosecond the notion that he is any worse than trump would be right now.

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Republicans would be helping out bombing Gaza before they’d oppose it.

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