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Cara is finally taking action against AI-bro scrapers

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This is a good take.

Also, a slop free space is a much more viable goal, IMO. I kinda forgot thats the other half of the premise.

But I think the community needs to loosen up on the "defeating scrapers" thing though, as that is certainly pressuring the admin. They can make scraping inconvenient enough to act as a deterrent, but beyond that is a recipe for stress.

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Quality control, for one.

Artifacts like this would be unnaceptable if they were from CGI or whatever, but somehow generative models get a pass? That makes no sense to me, yet it happens all the time; heavily distorted output somehow meets the bar for publishing.

Honestly it has nothing to do with "AI." It would be worth calling out however it was made. But for some reason generative diffusion models always seem to lower the standards of output for user.


If it was indistinguishable from CGI and fit the rest of the hand-painted style, the argument would be very different, IMO.

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Banned from [email protected] ofc for not believing in "AI"

I think that a great portion of “anti-AI” sentiment is misguided at best and most often feeding the grift. I think it’s really sad how people who supposed oppose “AI” constantly feed the hype through anthropomorphism...

I'm with you 100% here.

But... I think the rest of the post is overgeneralized and kinda went off the rails.

Corporate "AI" is awful. Its a huge issue, its reasonable to be upset about it, and its not reasonable to expect people to understand technical nuance amongst models they never use.


Ive been anti-anti-AI in that community, and havent gotten banned yet... And I think being polite goes a long way, there.

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Well it is actually complicated. It appears the tiny studio ran out of time/budget trying to get usable CGI, so they did some diffusion real-quick as an act of desperation, and got slop as a result.

Not everyone is exactly up to speed on diffusion, either. I bet they Googled and used the first video diffusion service they found, and hence got bad results, but its also fair to criticize them for publishing them. They either didnt bother to proof the output, or they did and knowingly published anyway.

Im not sure anyone is the villain here. But I dont like people leaning into outrage culture, and trying to paint it as black-and-white.

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Some models do use open datasets and largely reproducible training, with the Nvidia Nemotron series being the highest profile example. You are right that many are opaque about training data, though, and this is not okay.

Using them is just as unethical as using the models from OpenAI.

And I vehemently disagree with this.

OpenAI is a different order of magnitude of moral depravity. Thats like saying using Lemmy is just as bad as using Facebook or Palantir.

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AI has a certain look to it

I think this is a dangerous misconception.

I could feed locally run Minimax H3 a set of reference art, like the painted stills from this game, and it would exactly match the style. I could use start/end frames, motion masks, pose control, character sheets, voice and music samples, reference videos; I can get it to do whatever I want with extreme precision, and as long as I checked the output it would be indistinguishable from CGI.


The point I'm making is that a lot of people percieve diffusion as mashing a Stable Diffusion keyword prompt into a text box, and getting a sloppy result. Maybe thats still how shit corporate services like ChatGPT work.

But a LOT has changed over two years.

Theres no way people can definitively detect generative output anymore. We can IF its done lazily, but its quite possibly indistinguishable now, too.