Justice is not only about what is fair, but also about the fear people have of suffering consequences, aka: Pain. Being in jail is painful. It's a tiny room with no hygiene, cockroaches, the toilet is right there in the same room, isolation, unlikable neighbors, years or decades without Internet, a TV or PC...

The biggest lie the Jeffrey Epstein Class managed to pull off was to convince everyone that causing pain is an "absolute" wrong. It is not. Pain is what forces us to reflect and grow the fuck up to avoid committing the same mistakes. Those fuckers didn't have enough pain in their lives, because they lived it on Easy Mode. They were surrounded by yes-men and serfs constantly glazing them and laughing at their bad jokes. Now we are here.

We don't do shit to them because we are afraid of the pain the bodyguards, the cops or the law will lay upon us. But it should not be that way. They should be afraid of the people. Right now, they are laughing at us, doing heinous shit on purpose just to test our limit, and in the worst case scenario, normalize it. Young kids are already memeing Epstein, almost treating it like it's no big deal or just a joke, I seriously hope they don't carry that attitude forever, and realize that people like Epstein deserve to have their head opened to the truth as soon as you see them. Their bodyguards, I'd say are the worst people of all. The army, cops, bodyguards; they are people who openly and proudly decided to give their lives for a dude who rapes children and is not paying people what they're truly worth, a livable wage.

Nothing will get better until the rich fear for their lives.

TL;DR version: Those intrusive thoughts of "obliterating everything they love" can be tempting, but there are better alternatives. "Vote blue no matter what" could change to something better, more pro-working class, something fool-proof, something even the dumbest person can understand what it's about, because right now, I don't think I'm lying when I say that more than half of the entire world doesn't even know what "red vs blue" really means. They know it's politics, but, if you asked them what they think each means... Holy Toledo.

I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I'd still choose a democrat, don't get me wrong on that. It's just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.

Long version, for the chads with big dicks:

Those intrusive thoughts feel tempting because we keep seeing the top 1% happily sacrificing millions of innocent lives for their own pleasure, which is a reason I have a profound hate for bodyguards and anyone who works in the manufacture of weapons, bombs, bullets... Everything related to destruction. Whoever is giving the metal the shape, engineering the design, or even the janitor cleaning the office of those engineers so they can feel comfortably happy while designing the next drone that will blow the heads of some poor Muslim children... I have to say that "obliterating everything they love" is still not a good choice.

I think putting them in jail permanently is enough of a message. Forgiving their children and family members that can prove to be genuinely different is also an important message. Killing them would make us look too barbaric, which puts the reputation at risk, and therefor the trust, even if it happens 200+ years later. We'd just have to be consistent and keep hardening the law. It has to be done en masse too; a massive wave around the world of people taking the power and using it to put all these corrupt assholes in the worst cells possible. No Pablo Escobar/Ghislaine Maxwell vacation jail bullshit.

I don't think we will be able to stop the angriest people from passionately assassinating some of these assholes before we do that, but I won't stop them nor argue against them either, because I have personally lost family members in Lebanon and here in Mexico to these monsters, let alone all the innocent people throughout history, everywhere. I hate it. All that potential art and talent wasted just to please one boring psychopath asshole nobody likes, but is rich enough (because he exploited and killed others to enrich themselves) to feed us or not. We don't really need to keep suffering to create good art either as many think. We have enough History and drama to create an endless amount of content that'd keep us entertained and happy.

The voting blue no matter what, I hope it's innocent deep down, but so far, I think only a small number of democrats are actually decent people, imo. The majority are under AIPAC's command, they cannot even condemn the genocide in Gaza. They don't want to stop funding Israel either, so. Instead of "voting blue no matter what," I think the message should be more keen to something for the people, not some "blind support and loyalty to the party" nonsense.

"Vote for people, not parties."

"Loyalty to the people, not the party."

"People first, parties second."

"Represent us or lose us."

"Vote for the policies and actions, not because the candidate has a D next to their name."

I don't know, anything but a 1984-esque one like "vote blue no matter who." I wish people used one that focused on Humanity, on the people, not some dick-measuring contests.

It's just my fantasy, it won't happen, but whatever. I say that because I am sure the majority of the world, and I mean this: more than 60%, easily, of the entire planet, doesn't even know what "red vs blue" even really means, honestly. Like, they know it's about politics, but if you asked them what they think they mean... Oh, brother. A lot of people genuinely believe "communism and socialism are exactly the same thing and they both mean being lazy, being dirt poor all the time, and introducing homeless people in your home. Nothing else."

I am sure a lot of them are loyal to the red or blue party just because "it's their favorite color." Fuck that shit. Use a slogan that is fool-proof. One that even the dumbest motherfucker can understand what's it's about, and it's about Class Consciousness, about the Working Class, about the People, about being paid a livable wage, being paid what you're truly worth, that people deserve to see themselves at their full potential before they die, etc. Not some party, not some oligarchs, not Chuck Schumer and his stupid glasses. I have lost people to both democrat and republican presidents already, but I'd still choose a democrat, don't get me wrong on that. It's just that you still deserve so, so much better than what you currently have in that party.

Don't be a conformist; the Jeffrey Epstein Class worked so hard the past decades to turn us into conformists who are slowly normalizing this way of living. I hope we manage to flip that shit over and remove those broken psychopath weirdos.

Why is it that people who present themselves as morally superior often seem the least willing to forgive? Some would rather support establishment figures like Susan Collins or Janet Mills, politicians they view as helping sustain the policies and military interventions that created the problem in the first place, than support a former mercenary who ultimately turned against that system. It seems strange to condemn someone for what they once were while giving a pass to the institutions and leaders that continue to benefit from the same machinery.

That type of behavior benefits the Jeffrey Epstein Class. When the hell will we ever get shit done, if you cannot forgive or accept the people that are closest to the core of the system and have decided to help us? All you have to do is keep an eye on them. I'm not saying you should "blindly" support Platner, you should watch every single one of his moves to confirm he didn't lie. Zohran Mandami has delivered so far, and people had a similar level of skepticism, but it was worse, because they hated him for being muslim, so.

If their only argument is the Nazi tattoo, that's sad. It's a very silly one. The point is that you genuinely think people can't change, and that is really dangerous. And no, I'd not have these standards for people like Trump or similar, because they are already very old and adamant about who they truly are. Platner was a victim of this system, American Exceptionalism and American Imperialism (both still prevalent here in Lemmy; leftists who still want the USA to be the World Police, to intervene everywhere because they think they are Humanity's smartest and best choice or whatever "heroic" Main Protagonist Syndrome nonsense they carry) propaganda, and at least Platner is teaching all those around him to wake up. I prefer that over the other choices, why won't other people?

I am a dumb average guy who is not an economist. Could you please explain the differences?

Everyone, relax. This is good news. You have to start thinking like them, like capitalist pigs who believe in Trickle Down Economics:

1. Let them build it. Let them create those jobs, for the architects, the engineers, the builders, workers, let them get paid generously.
2. Then, you know how cheap flammable oil is, or a 3D-printed drone that can open a tiny hole in a roof for rain to say hello. Imagination is limitless.
3. Now, the most important part: They will try to call that vandalism or terrorism, they will use all their newspapers, TV News, influencers and bots to convince average people of that, but, that's where we all shall stubbornly call it 'business.' Be stubborn as hell, just like it happened with Israel's public opinion in the span of 2 years, or Luigi's, which is still intact and holy. We are just thinking for ourselves like any company with a shark mentality would; our profit margins are our priority, our money..., and we realized data centers are eating up a lot of our profits: they take our jobs, they don't generate any, they also suck up our water and electricity and they make us pay for that. It's unbelievable! So, we are firing them, literally. Nothing wrong with that. No more than 25 employees work on every single data center you have heard about, look it up. Each of them are maintained by approximately 25 people only.
4. Keep bullying AI bros who call themselves artists. Call their work shit, their imagination shit, their skill shit, their dignity shit, their creativity shit, their life-decisions shit, their life shit, their human value shit, their respect for Humanity shit, respect for the craft shit, everything about them is shit.
5. They want to rebuild it? Let them. Also let them pay a lot in security, guards and all that. There's always a super cheap way to open a hole, always. Sometimes, all you need is good acting, some basic research, a nice haircut and glasses to get hired anywhere as a guard or janitor. Build a reputation for a week or two so they trust in you and give you more keys or whatever.

Rinse and repeat. That's what Trickle Down Economics truly looks like. It's 100% justified and the most moral thing to do for Humanity. Anyone trying to tell you otherwise is 100% a Jeffrey Class supporter, aka, a pedophile apologist. Just like Nazis, they are better with their heads opened to the truth.

This is what the Class War looks like, and to me, it began with Luigi and was built up for decades through all means. It's obviously going to be a very, very slow burn. We might only hear 1 warehouse fire story a year for the next decades, but, the more people realize they will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at their age, like 6+ children, a home at 19 years old, or at least a happy decent family of two or four without a college degree, and then find out where their money truly is. The fact they got nothing to lose; the fertility rate is 1.5 today in the USA, not 6.0 like it used to be for centuries before WWII; 15 million unused housing units because people cannot afford their cost, 770k homeless people in the USA; over 25 trillion USD spent in the military over the past decade, when we only need 930 billion approx to fix World Hunger over a decade too, enough for those hungry people to get their shit together and become self-sustainable... People complaining about about housing, rent or healthcare costs, complaining about AAA videogames rising their price by 10 or 20 mere bucks, complaining about RAM prices, eggs, gas...

The years where, those young people turn 30, or whatever is the retirement age in your country, with no retirement plans, no cash, no future ahead... After you turn 30, the chances of bearing a child with a disability increase significantly, and as someone whose little brother has Down Syndrome, we have to help him with a lot, like cleaning him, keeping an eye on him while he eats so he does not choke on food because his tongue is always out, he cannot speak or express himself very well, so, sometimes it's hard to tell what's wrong or if someone did something to him... This life, this challenge I have dealt with as a brother, is something that would easily push so many to commit suicide. They wouldn't be able to bear this weight, especially with the economy and the insecurity Mexico has; 30,000+ people die every year here, which is a rate of 24.85 people dying per every 100,000 inhabitants, based on its population size, (US - 20,000± people - rate of 5.7, to give you an idea. Places like Europe go as low as 700 people a year, rate of 1.14. Canada reports 900 people a year, rate of 2.27. Etc.) The way people talk about Down Syndrome online, I am surprised I have not completely lost faith in all of Humanity yet. Sometimes I feel human extinction could be the best thing to happen, but I don't let those moments of incredible anger define me. I am sure the Average American doesn't want that either, but, the more difficult it is to keep that boiling pot in place, the worse it's going to explode and spill someday. Punching your pillow or wall will stop being relieving enough. The more time keeps ticking and the more you see you won't really make it will eat and burn a lot of these people inside for so long.

Even when you see the most heinous trolls and debate lords online who defend ridiculous shit like the Jeffrey Class, "Trump is innocent regarding the Epstein Files because there is no evidence, image or video of him fucking a kid, and if there is one, it's AI," "pull yourself up by the bootstraps. You just want everything handed to you for free. Socialism, communism means being super lazy and dirt poor, nothing else" people who cocksuck landlords or people with 6 yatches while they themselves only have 6 teeth left... You slap them with realities like these, which are backed up by statistics and undeniable truths we all can see with our own eyes everyday; do it with a more cynical tone than theirs, CHANGE THE TOPIC to Class conscience shit no matter what, they always try to deviate, so do the same, while addressing the silent readers first, it always blue-screens those assholes who put up an act of being morally or intellectually superior than others. Those narcissistic incel red/blue MAGA/imperialist losers who fit the "Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat, but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." Those mouthbreathing fools have become so easy to humiliate with this, and if you leave after 1 or 2 replies, so you don't feed them further, it's even more effective. Make it sound like they are worth less than the average baby boomer who was a religious nutjob, just because they had more money. These morons measure success and intelligence with money, hence why they cocksuck billionaires. Capitalists' egos are the most brittle right now, and you all should ABUSE that to weaken them and even convert the youngest. Trust me, this is the language they speak; might and humiliation, whoever does it best "wins" the appeal of those who still doubt their loyalty. It is what it is, just adapt, and behind scenes be yourself with your friends and family, never lose your cool.

I used to admire my cousin when I was young and dumb, called him my brother, but the more I saw his toxic narcissistic ass ego get humiliated and pummeled by logic, like the fact his daddy bought him his Audi car, his apartment in the 9th floor, the expensive med school, ITESM, "the #1 college in all Latin America" being the reasons he attracted a lot of "his friends" who aren't anywhere near anymore since his dad had to get divorced because dude had a second family in secret, my goddamn Godfather for the First Communion when I forced to be religious by my school as a child; he slowly turned into a mini Andrew Tate, dude's a Mexican living in Mexico who ended supporting Trump online because he was told that'd rise bitcoin's value. He didn't make shit, it was a pathetic waste of time, he sold Humanity for like 30,000 MXN pesos of profit over the span of a year of waiting, that's literally half of a monthly salary for a junior doctor like him, he is in shambles. The more I realized I was admiring or listening to a moron, the more I abandoned him and now he's on the brink of suicide, he has told me recently, and it was because dude had the bar so high, to keep the image of being a rich asshole; he cannot keep a job because he hates driving a lot under the >35C° sun of Monterrey or Cancún where he gave up his only job which was paying him 70k~ a month, dude is an idiot, he hates working for the wages they are offering because he is so narcissistic he thinks he is worth millions of dollars, yet cannot make a few thousand even with cheap pathetic shortcuts like getting into crypto or scamming people online using AI. These people are on their way out, do not let them drag you with them. You can do your best and try to educate them, be chill and cool while conversing with them about these things, do not raise your voice or insult them because they are family, but if they don't change or try, do not bother. It's not worth sacrificing your sanity for them. It's them who should be on the frontlines of this war, fixing their fucking mess, not good people like you. You don't deserve to risk your life for these idiots. Keep finding a way to stay away from their mess, but do not stay quiet, everything you have said online does matter, as much as people say it doesn't, we are all a culmination of what we have read online, watched or heard in TV, papers and more for years. To think YouTube, Twitch, social medias, even the toxic ones like X, do not have some value in what can be analyzed and all that, it's a stupid belief only trolls who don't want you to get empowered with messages want you to believe. That's all, grab what you think could work for you, ignore or insult what you hated, I won't care, I am just brainstorming.

Your argument is flawed. You literally sound like a Jeffrey Epstein class supporter.

"Even if warehouses burn, they will pass that cost onto consumers," no they won't. Consumers will riot if those prices get too high. You saw it happen to Netflix and many others. If warehouses start doing that repeatedly because their warehouses keep getting burnt down, consumers will refuse their services because they are too expensive, so, they will lose even more money and stability because nobody will want to work in such a dangerous place either, due to its reputation, raising the demand for the roles, the wages, etc., which shall lead the CEO to open its own head to the truth :)

This one was my favorite, it is what makes you sound like a Jeffrey Epstein class supporter the most: "And don’t think “they can’t send all of us to prison” because we both know they can and would."

You sound like a billionaire who is afraid of more Luigi Mangiones popping out. Dude, if they jailed us all, then, who is going to run the country? If they nuked us, who the fuck is going to keep the economy running? The traumatized people left behind? You think they will swallow it up, accept the fact that their loved ones died or are in jail, and simply continue working for someone like you or the pedophiles you are defending like some capitalistic greedy ass warehouse owners nobody gives a fuck about? Fuck no, lmao. What kind of perspective do you have about people? It's so baby-like. Shit I used to say when I was 12, lowkey. "Jail us all" lmfao, imagine feeding, I don't know, half of the country because they are leftist prisoners. About 150 million people in jail. Imagine feeding them, building the jails to house that amount of people with only the other half, 150 million people, mostly republicans who are rednecks that are proud of not using toilet paper and calling bidets "gay and woke" at your disposal, and for what again? Because they wanted a livable wage? Lmfao. Goodluck.

And no. Good warehouses will not be burnt down just because "burning bad ones became the culture." They aren't being burnt down now, they won't later. Only those who don't pay well will be burnt down, period. You are just trying to scare people away from doing what hurts the rich the most, probably because you are a serf.

That and "Operation Paperclip" (secret U.S. program that recruited over 1,600 German scientists, engineers, and technicians from Nazi Germany after World War II to leverage their expertise for American military and technological advancements) I think are significant parts of what led us here. Those 1,600 people 100% had a reputation that made it easy for their children to attain powerful positions in politics or the law.

The fact governments (not just the US) happily opened its arms to Nazis just because they had talent, have solidified to me that WWII was not fought to protect "noble, human ideals," like being anti-eugenicist or stopping the Holocaust because people genuinely cared about the Jews (just like nobody has done the same for the genocides that have happened after the Holocaust), but just money and power. The USA only joined WWII because they didn't want the Nazis to "win the race." It's so gross the more you repeat it; feels like a race among a bunch of eugenicists, all of them. You then hear about that Jeffrey Epstein's Zorro "Baby" Ranch where they planned to breed people like stock, to create a "super race." The fact he easily and likely talked to most of our world leaders while doing that, the fact he was allowed for so long, not really stopped, and that he is easily not just the only one in this planet doing that right now either, he probably got replaced with someone more secretive, more "professional," it just gets worse. We are cattle to the elite, they are probably doing this economic shock to "cull the weak" because I remember how vivid the discussion about "overpopulation" was during the early 2000s. I wouldn't be surprised if some of our leaders are that goddamn stupid to believe we Humanity needs wars to keep overpopulation in check, to "evolve" and shit like that. Those are the people we should be putting in jail where they should make their own food, because I don't want to fund their air.

I think most, if not all the leaders around the world are so corrupted with power they only care about keeping it. They are already beyond discussing racism, homophobia or xenophobia; they are tools to them, but not interests. Especially when you read that a lot of these people do hard drugs, are cucks who fuck eachothers' wives, and of course, are pedophiles who have tried the most disgusting shit you can imagine because they are already bored of trying everything they can with their money. Eating a world-famous chef's 5,000$ meal is not a mind-blowing experience to them anymore because they do it everyday. Fucking Victoria Secret models they paid a lot too, etc. They are literally people who make decisions that get thousands of people killed every day, they cannot be blind, they are just incredibly apathetic, psychopathic, it's so hard to imagine for the average person.

People have to remember that all governments have close relationships with the countries' mafias (I am a Mexican, and I am sure it's super easy for you to imagine my government is riddled with mafiosos, but so is yours, no matter where are you from, even Japan is known for working close with the Yakuza. You really think the USA, Russia, China, any European country or place in the world doesn't? You really think you are the only saints?). It's a market they know they must control, they cannot erase it, they cannot erase ALL drugs off the world. Mafias are known for doing the worst things you can imagine: burning people; beheading a father or child in front of the other; rape or kidnap your son or daughter who has a disability like down syndrome just to make you do what they want you to do or else they torture, rape or kill them; threaten your family like it's nothing, with a smile on their face, just to control you; the boss will take your wife if he wants to, and if you dare say anything, they will probably pay you a visit and cut off a toe or pull out a tooth to make you understand... Like, the government deals with that underworld everyday. They themselves play like that and you know that already, WikiLeaks proved a lot of that, about how Governments torture, commit war crimes, have ties with mafias, and shit never changes, it keeps repeating, it's crazy how people shell themselves from all this and still see things with any bit of pink tones in it... The military is known for raping and doing incredible amounts of violence. They have to see the videos of hostages being mauled and killed, like ISIS', or what is going on in Gaza. All these people abuse drugs, they are incredibly emotional, irrational, immature, violent, cynical, evil; they have it so easy to threaten your family and you cannot do anything about it because they can censor you, they own the media, social medias, newspapers, TV news channels, everything. They kill people everyday without getting their hands dirty. And people still think these things only happened before cameras were invented, or are super rare, but no, they are literally what "The Game" is.

The only people that can be in positions of power right now are the most psychopathic. It is not hard for them to act. If you think acting is a skill you can only see in movies and TV shows, and cannot be seen anywhere else, you are making a massive mistake. It is a talent anyone can practice and develop, for god's sake, Hitler was famous for doing that, and it paid off, it made everything he said "look or feel more real to the Germans" and whatnot. To think the elite are not surrounded by psychologists, economists, scientists, heavily-connected people filled with rumors, the assholes who don't give a fuck and will ask them to do something illegal like it's a normal conversation because they have the money to buy entire cities, let alone judges/governors they themselves mega-donated to or whatever... It's such a different world, I don't think they see wars or everyday topics of discussion the same way we do.

We are all being played, distracted with bullshit. We must keep using every opportunity of discussion, argument, debate or insulting we see online to turn it about Class Warfare. Trump said something insanely racist about Obama? Don't care, eat the rich, talk about how the rich are keeping you poor and distracted. Elon Musk shat himself? Don't care. Eat the rich. Trump threatened with nuking an entire country, or half of the world? Don't care. Eat the rich. What is he gonna do? Bomb us all until there is no Working Class left? Good luck. It's the biggest flaws of nukes; the survivors will not accept whoever dropped it anymore. You won't be able to force Humanity to do whatever you want by killing 50% of it, 80% of it, or even 100% of it which at that point is over. People will fucking hate you and they will remove you and replace you with someone who is the absolute opposite... and well, for so long they managed to lie to people and convince them that "communism/socialism means being dirty poor and a lazy fuck who doesn't want to work and hates humanity", but they are doing an amazing job at showing people the truth, that capitalism is actually that, the lazy fucks are the elite who don't really know Algebra or Chemistry, they don't write a single line of code or do absolutely anything meaningful for the product, they are just dudes with a lot of money who attracted talented artists because artists know they need the funding of someone big to be able to express themselves without limits. But what if we don't rely on a few lazy fucks anymore, and instead rely on everyone as a whole? I don't care if "technology" slows down a little, we need it to slow down. AI is replacing us all, it needs regulation or millions will keep starving to death or committing suicide. Being social, or working as a community, as the words communism and socialism imply, doesn't mean being a lazy fuck or being broke, it's the opposite, you work for the community, and community does the same. It won't be perfect, human nature is what sucks the most, narcissism, lazy, jerks, jealously, traumas will still exist, that creates racism or discrimination in general. But fuck capitalism already, it only empowered these elite assholes so easily. We need to keep educating everyone as much as we can, that's our biggest jab, and it has been working, to be honest. Compared to what the Internet used to think or be 20 years ago, we are so different now. It's just that the assholes are not leaving quietly, that's it. They are being super loud and hyping up the children to cheer them on, but just wait until those children grow up, man.

They will all realize some baby boomers had better lives than they had. 7+ children in average, a home at 19 years old, or at least a happy family of four without a college degree. The average age the current American is getting their first home at is 52 years old, not 19 anymore. The fertility rate used to be a solid constant 6.0+ for centuries before Reagan's Trickle Down Economics, today, it's a 1.5, which means, the amount of virgins, incels, single people, or couples not having children because it's not feasible, are increasingly high. Sexual frustration can be a bitch. It's so easy to squeeze it and channel it into hatred toward the elite. They are the ones who have all your money, afterall. They are the ones gatekeeping your future, your potential family, your bridge to the future like children, they are gatekeeping pussy for those who still talk like teenagers, man, fr, nocap, you are a virgin because you still think the elite deserve to live. You will never have even a quarter of what the average baby boomer had at your age because you still think the elite deserve to live. You cannot afford games at their full price, you have to wait for steam sales. You cry about RAM prices, housing or healthcare costs. Yet they'll clap the 6 new yatches of Gabe Newell or whatever billionaire they cocksuck with their 6 teeth.

People still think the USA should be the World Police/Only Empire, when it shouldn't.

No. Do not infantilize her. She is not a damsel in distress, she is an adult with a working brain who had enough time to recognize the incredible, incomparable amount of evil she caused and did. I can't believe this comment of yours is still a thing. I refuse to believe this attitude is still common in Blue MAGA. Don't you ever compare or put Melania Trump next to the real victims, what a massive insult to them.

That'd be cool, if people started astroturfing the word so hard: hats with "WOKE" and a really cool eye logo, mysterious-looking, or even the Illuminati one, to confuse people. Spam memes and posts that associate the word with cool random shit that don't have to make sense.

Call GTA 6 woke, or whatever game MAGA loves woke, and do it convincingly there, it pisses them harder. Creative jokes that are subtly aware of the absurdity of how that word is used. Whenever they call you woke, or mention the "woke virus" just counter it with goofy shit, be proud of it, say dumbass embarrassing cringe shit on purpose, that the woke disease enlarges your dick and gets you laid with babes, you cannot stop drowning in pussy since you got it, unlike incel MAGAs who still have to watch people like Andrew Tate and cucks like Sneako because they are secretly gay. Republicans keep tanking Grindr for a reason. Be hypocrite, play dirty, do not give a fuck, be impossible to offend, and be incredibly offensive at the same time, even if you "betray" some of your beliefs/convictions, like sounding homophobic. You are not one, but you are doing it to be like a "mirror" to them for fun, say shit they cannot escape from like economic realities, I have mentioned so many in my comments already. These are the things that drive them mad, and it's super IMPORTANT that you leave them with blue balls too, do not feed them too much, use 2 or 3 replies, let them know you got bored of them or that you only take people who made more money than your religious nutjob average baby boomer made seriously, not broke bastards like them who keep crying about RAM prices, AAA videogames rising their price by 10 or 20 mere bucks, housing or healthcare costs... Mostly focus on shit they care about, which is usually videogames and getting laid. Attack that shit while blaming the system, so they are forced to look up.

You know who you are, you are doing it to shut them the fuck up for good, and for that you have to be more cynical than them, act it up, smile harder than they do; it isn't hard if you really hate them like I do. Don't let it consume you either, take breaks, do it only if it makes you laugh, not stress or piss you off further, turn your anger into something funny, while bullying them. They are literal pedophile apologists, Jeffrey Epstein Class supporters, cocksuckers with 6 teeth who applaud Nazis with 6 yatches, like Elon Musk. I was just a teenager and I became anti-MAGA hard when the "grab them by the pussy" scandal happened; I am a Mexican living in Mexico, that shit made me hate MAGA with a passion, and to see so many of them still around over a decade later, like, fuck that shit, bro, they know what they are doing, they know who they are too, and they are racist disgusting pieces of shit that only stagnate Humanity. I despise that they are expanding globally, there are Mexicans who glaze MAGA here; lots of Europeans who watch Asmongold, seeing Venezuelans applaud Trump for what he did to Maduro, even if he sucks, I know that, is blatantly obvious what is happening, it's so sad, but god damn it, someone has to first slap them really hard with offensive shit, and then they can potentially become more susceptible to adopting our ideas, because the fence-sitters will realize that being MAGA actually fucking sucks. They need to feel pain to reach that point, though, we all did reach ours by seeing constant injustice, constant pain being laid upon the innocent, that shit is painful. Thing is, being born with a degree of psychopathy or any of the Dark Traits is not as uncommon as people made it seem for decades, it's not very rare, I actually think absolutely everyone has some of each, from 0 to 100, same with autism; I don't think absolute 0s or 100s are that common, we are all in-between, and it can be swayed, influenced, so, we have to be aware of that imo, it can help a lot, to analyze things from an outside perspective, less emotional, more rational, more fair to human nature, it's a mess. My brother has down syndrome, and it's so easy to make him do anything you tell him to do. To imagine that, a lot of people also have a different level of malleability, including myself, I have fallen for so, so many hoaxes online, and still do, but, once you filter everything through "everyone deserves to live. Human nature is our biggest obstacle. Humanism, wanting to see people in their full potential, is an exciting prospect" and more ideas like those, the easier it gets to spot the bullshit.

That's what they deserve, that's the language they speak: might and humiliation, trust me. AIs might tell you that we have to be nicer and shit, avoid violence, focus on voting, the law, jailing, educating people while being nice, but never forget who programmed those shits. Truth is, some people do need to get spanked to learn. You know how to measure that, you can be nice when teaching things to people that are genuinely curious or lost, but the MAGAs I am talking about, which is now the grand majority, are far beyond redemption already. They are openly proud Jeffrey Epstein Class supporters and pedophile apologists, genocidial, disgusting in every fucking sense. Never. Forget. That.

Disgusting demon. I started watching Hasan because I wanted to understand why were my family in Gaza and Lebannon being invaded by Israel. I had my doubts about Israel, I didn't think they were that evil, but I spiraled after seeing what they'd do to my people. Hasan has been the only influencer who kept me from rotting worse, I know how to separate Jews from Zionists. I don't blame all Jews like A LOT of people are doing so online. I only dislike the Zionists and Netanyahu's government.

You are only sorry that you have been exposed as someone who still defends America's imperialism. You live under an authoritarian regime too, you dounce. You never had real democracy or freedom in your life. You are NOT A MEGA DONOR, you have not donated even a million dollars to a candidate's campaign you wanted to see win. You were always forced to elect between politician A who appeals to sympathy, or politician B who appeals to empathy, both with a touch of apathy for the other. Both ready to answer the interests of the rich, but not yours. The fact you keep attacking me and not these ideals, says a lot about your true intentions here. Grow the fuck up if I am wrong. Be better.

I am also a Mexican (one of Hasan's 35 in total that watch him), who has constantly dealt with racism online, not only from Americans, but also Europeans and Asians. We have a lot of stereotypes you love to abuse. You always ignore us, belittle us, insult us. And when we try to be heard, you say exactly shit like this. Always. You are an asshole, dude. I have seen nothing but death in my life. People hanged in my city, beheaded, getting shot in the head while eating outside, children being targetted, lost my Spanish teacher and his son who was my classmate once. All thanks to America.

And still you say I don't care about Hasan or his community, when I am literally defending them from your banal statements? You make no sense, dude. What are you? An Asmongold fan? Ethan Klein? Ethan Klein fans moved from calling Hasan and everyone who supports him a pedophile to the dog shock collar thing ever since he lost that defamation lawsuit against that billionaire he called a pedophile too. Sexpestiny, Ben Shapiro, Andrew Tate, Sneako, Nux, Tectone, or even Fox News, David Path Beckam or whatever his name is, which of all his wacko ass haters are you a fan of? Stop wasting people's times, show your real colors already. The dog shock collar thing is almost a year old now, it's akin to the people who sent death threats to PirateSoftware just because of a fucking World of Warcraft dungeon, which he wasn't even at fault. You behave exactly like those hivemind drones.

Their cars? Offices? The bank? Are you serious, bro? Here we go:

Car: Super cheap. Inside their mansions' gareages which are surrounded by tall walls and security booths and cameras and so on. Some of them have their own teams of bodyguards. You'd need a team of armed people for this one, and for what? A car worth 0.0001% of his annual salary? Nice suggestion, bro. You sound very smart! Let's continue.

Office: The office is in the warehouse. Setting that shit on fire will do what? It's insured like the bank, and you will probably just burn paper and a computer. The data is still in the cloud. The damages would only cost the CEO a few thousand dollars, a small headache, and for what? What will that change exactly?

The bank. Bro. This one is the most stupid. What do you want one single dude to do there?

Now, the warehouse, however... So easy to get hired. So easy to take notes of where the cameras are, where the most inflammable items are, and plan the day and message you will broadcast to everyone a few minutes before to keep them safe. Bam, light the cardboard, watch for a few minutes to make sure it spreads, leave, clap your hands. You just burned millions worth of supply with your own hands alone. Now THAT hurts the CEO more. And if it keeps happening to the point insurance companies feel forced to stop covering arsoning, because, insurance companies are all about profit too, ask the United Healthcare CEO is you don't believe me.

So. This was your masterplan all along? Focus on a car, an office, the bank...? I hope your heart is actually in the right place, because I have heard your name mentioned before, you've been called a troll, so, hard to know. But this won't do, man. We need bigger balls than that.

Is this seriously your reply? A "TLDR", not explaining why Hasan is bad, or why his messages are bad? Will you just call me crazy or insane for writing a lot or sounding too angry sometimes?

Hasan might be right about Reddit/Lemmy. He said most people in Reddit are Blue/Diet MAGAs; Americans who vote Blue, always hated Trump, but still LOVE the American army and the global influence they have, of being the "World Police," the "Hero of the World." American exceptionalism I think it's called. They think the world would look worse if the spotlight was above China, Russia, Europe, etc. They truly think America is still the "best hope humankind has to achieve an utopia" or whatever, and if you talk shit about America, even if you are someone like me whose family in Lebanon and Mexico have been killed by Israel and the USA, they treat you like a terrorist.

You might be one of those redditors, one that got banned recently and had to come here. If that's the case, that sucks. I hope it isn't, I really hope you are someone who prioritizes humanity over money and doesn't think that your army is actually "killing evil bad guys" or shit like that. For example, they still try to subtly make you doubt or dislike immigrants the same way Red MAGAs do with ads like this one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hamD7RueuvA or when she said this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1kh--W4l_w

You also didn't even choose Kamala. You don't really have a democracy, never did. Politician A or B are always chosen by those who can donate the most money to their campaigns. How much have you donated to political campaigns in your life? 100$? 1,000$? A million? That's nothing compared to the billions the richest 1% have, dude. Politician A and B, it doesn't matters which one wins, they will be ready to answer those donors' interests, not ours. I cannot vote in the USA, but I told people to vote for Kamala anyway, although I am kind of glad Trump won and accelerated all this hatred toward capitalism, the mask is fully off thanks to him, I just hope the momentum keeps going and it convinces people that we need to elect our own leaders for real, or we will keep being fooled by charismatic liars.

Why would she say that anyway? Because messages like those still appeal to many of you, blue imperialist Americans. You have it easier than the cultists, though, and everyone loves a redemption arc, so. Stop giving too much of a fuck about borders, care more about humanity as a whole, the people, the good ones, and that's it. It's so easy to support good things, it's crazy how hard people sometimes make it sound.

I am a Mexican, and I can tell you right now that a stronger border is not stopping fentanyl at all. Most of our narcos have a green card. All they need is a good haircut, glasses and a checkered shirt to convince the border agents that they are good people. The most important ones don't have visible tattoos and so on. They can easily blend with the public, you'd never know the crimes they have done if you talked to them face to face. If I asked you to create a fictional character that is a drug dealer, and the first things that pop up in your mind are Mexicans, Chinese or Black people, you are heavily clouded. It's little things like these that show so much about people. Just like you thinking Hasan is a bad guy somehow. The only way to prove that wrong is by writing a lot, talking a lot about his core ideas, and I guess that's something you want to avoid, because it's inevitably going to expose that you might be a massive POS. Hence the reason why MAGAs love to attack characters and never messages, because engaging with messages means having to show your true colors, what you truly think about immigrants, about muslims, arabs, Mexicans, Jews, Zionists, people in general, etc. And it's so easy to see your flaws when you do that, and you probably hate the humiliation, I don't know, it won't matter. Silent readers matter the most, even if this gets heavily downvoted, I hope they all still can agree with the most basic things like humanity being more important than money, otherwise you only breed violence and crime, that's what greed and envy do, and you cannot fully eliminate them because they are part of human nature.

Keep attacking Hasan, though. It was thanks to people like you that I watched him out of curiosity and found out you lied to me, lol. Even if I kept these replies short, I am sure your replies would have the exact same quality and value anyway, so, it's better to drop everything all at once to leave everything clear and move on. Bye

Kind reminder for everyone, that this is Ethan Klein in one of the most infuriating and evil videos I have seen in my life: https://old.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1bg1xzs/old_and_horrifying_video_of_h3h3_resurfaces/

Had to use old reddit (you don't need an account to see NSFW stuff here) because he successfully got it censored in YouTube.

This is the dude you are using as a moral compass right now. A dude who literally joked about raping a Boston Bomb victim while he was 28 years old and being filmed by the Raider of Ramallah. The dude who calls everyone a pedophile repeatedly until they ruin their life and career. This is who you are asking us to show a shred of attention to.

He is a Zionist who wants innocent Palestinians dead because he hates Arabs. His dad was an actual pedo, didn't he impregnate his mom while she was still underage and with a massive gap of like 10 years between the two? The fact Ethan calls others a pedophile as an automatic insult says a lot about him, it is a massive red flag, and the fact he had to move from Israel or whatever in his early 20s doesn't help the suspicion either. Ethan Klein has a high chance of being an actual pedophile himself.

Instead of attacking Hasan, why not attack some of his messages? What do you disagree with? If your suggestion is that he needs to be dirt poor to be considered a "real socialist or communist" that is corrupt capitalist talk. Capitalists love to guilt-trip communists/socialists like that so they give up their money/capital and have no way to fight anymore. Hasan is not even that rich when compared to the richest 1%. His life, spending 8 hours everyday, including most sundays, dealing with hogs, MAGAs, and also people like you, is a life I'd never want no matter how much money they'd offer, to be honest. I rather be poor, but play videogames with my homies as much as I do.

Who do you suggest we listen to or do? A news anchor? A podcaster? An author or artist? That'd be hypocrital. They are all paid and also seek views, because, just like you are a conglomeration of different teachers, voices and influencers that taught you in school or everyday life (and the good ones wish they have as many students as possible, because that's the goal of teaching, especially those who are heavily underpaid but do it for love: spreading a message to many people as possible, which is what Hasan wants to do too, reach millions).

What? I cannot just quit my job and go work for a non-existent Resistance or Community Group that you made up in your mind. If I stop going to work, work less or whatever, I'd be at a super high risk of becoming homeless and even starve and die and never be heard again, leaving you to think you were actually a genius who solved a problem. People like you always drop these really childish suggestions like "if you don't like living here, just leave," "change jobs," "just leave", but it's never that easy when you're genuinely poor. You might be a privileged middle class nepo baby who still has a big family he can rely on during hard times. The reality is that, that 50% of humanity that is still not connected to the Internet, do not have that luxury at all, dude. They are playing life on Hard Mode, you are playing it on Easy Mode. Just imagine. They still don't have Internet. Around 60% of the entire world lives with less than 20$ a day, for everything, including rent, bills, food, entertainment (if they get any)... About 10% lives with less than 5$ USD a day, etc. People like Hasan strengthened my empathy toward these people, and you trying to attack that is what turns people's fight or flight responses on, whenever they hear these unfair negative opinions about Hasan. It's fine if you don't like him, watch him, find him vulgar, as long as your heart and core ideas, of wanting to help all humanity, align. But when you try and smear his character like you did, to scare newcomers away, and then you admit you haven't even seen a single one of his streams in your life, just snippets or clips, that's evil, even if you are actually strengthening his community because it's backfiring so bad. Even I tell people to watch Asmongold or Charlie Kirk first before talking with confidence about him, so they form their own opinion about him, so they experience their "vibe" and hear them say the things people say he said, but Hasan haters or you? No. You automatically try to convince people to stay away from him as much as possible.

For example, thanks to Hasan, I now believe in this message: "Minorities, immigrants, women, people of color, LGBT..., none of them decided wages, healthcare or housing costs, or wars. People with capital did, and they love it when we fight sideways instead of up" stronger than before, when I was a capitalist supporter, when I used to think "capitalism good, communism/socialism bad." I was fooled into thinking that communism and socialism meant rewarding lazy people, when that's not true at all. I am aware though, that our biggest obstacle is human nature itself; greed, narcissism, ego... I rarely see MAGAs or MAGA influencers talking like this about systems or theories at all. They always talk about them like soccer teams, not tools we should analyze, evaluate and use properly to help everyone. Only Hasan does and I thank him for that. It's right. Human nature is more problematic, and killing or fully silencing it won't fix it, only education and providing safety and happiness, be it through free healthcare or affordable housing. 750k homeless people in America, 14 million unused housing units right now. Most homeless people in the world are the orphans who were never adopted and didn't receive enough education to thrive, not really junkies or gamblers as most people love to imagine to blame them and remove the responsibility or guilt off their shoulders. 20,000+ people lost every year to homicides and gun violence in USA. 30,000+ here in Mexico where I am from and live. We are the same. Our "competence," in Europe and Asia, have an average of losing no more than 3,000 people a year to homicides or gun violence. Their homicide rates are 5x - 15x times smaller than ours, which means, people are up to 15x times more likely to die to random senseless violence in the USA and Mexico than almost any other place in the world. The only exception is South Africa and you might already know why. All those slaves that were exploited for so long, and yet MAGAs still blame Black Lives Matter or complain about them trying to express their anger that things haven't changed in so many places yet, that racism hasn't left. You will never know what is it like to have 7+ children in average, a home at 19 years old or a stable nice happy family of 4 without a college degree like the AVERAGE baby boomer and some of our parents had. Both of my grandpas had a lot. One had 10 children, the other 7, both with massive homes. My uncles and aunts had no more than 2 children in average, plenty had 0. My cousins and friends, all 0, lol, and we are turning 30, an age where the chances of bearing a child with a disability increase significantly. They instead cry about RAM prices, living with their parents at their late 20s, no car, AAA videogames raising their price by 10 or 20 mere bucks, housing costs, rent costs, healthcare costs, people preferring to live with a broken bone or die than go into permanent medical debt, our leaders are blatant pedophiles...

Yet you are here. Focusing on Hasan and sometimes showing more passion about attacking him than any single name from the Epstein files, hands down, I am not kidding. I am sure Hasan is receiving more death threats and doxing attempts than dozens of pedophiles from the Epstein files combined together right the fuck now. How cool is that? It says a lot about humanity in general, the spot we currently are, how monopolized and controlled education is. How important it is, yet we celebrated those lazy capitalist classmates who'd say dumbass shit like "why do we need algebra?" "Why do we need history? Or geography? School is so boring." Those motherfuckers' votes are wroth as much as yours and they are also giving their opinions online, whether they are blue or red, doesn't matter, they lack so much perspective or respect for the world. Not saying they all suck, a lot change, sometimes it's just a dumb childish comment they made, but you see the pattern: the majority hates learning. Same with politics or let alone watch a single stream of any political commentator. They don't care, yet they cry when a warehouse is set aflame.

Hasan wants to help us solve things, and he has repeatedly said he's willing to pay an insane amount of taxes implemented by us, the people, not those pedophiles that will use that money to bomb and fuck children. So, why the hell are you still angry at Hasan? What the hell could go wrong about receiving or spreading messages like those unless you're one of those greedy rich leaders currently shitting its pants because the working class is finally being educated? It's insane. That's how it looks to some people who have watched at least one or two streams of Hasan in their lives.

When you reply like this:

"He reaches millions of people with his waffling. That’s much more than you are doing by posting."

Crazy how Hasan fans talk just like Maga and uses the exact same logic…

You actually come across as someone who wants us to keep fighting sideways. You are the one who actually sounds like a MAGA, because you never attack the messages, you always attack the messengers. That is a very efficient and powerful tactic republicans abuse, and also Hasan's haters, like Ethan Klein fans who call others a pedophile repeatedly until their lives and careers are ruined. They do that without evidence and hence a reason he recently got sued by a billionaire and lost. It was the only way to stop him doing that, by having more money than him, because those who tried to sue him before would get stomped with capital. Asmongold fans do the same thing. Destiny fans as well. Zionists and pro-Israel media do it as well, and media is all about making money and getting views too, yet you focus on Hasan. They all agreed to spread the dog collar shock hoax, a lie to again, attack him and never his messages.

I already made up my mind after dealing with so many people like you. People who doubt or criticize Hasan the way you did are a massive red flag. You might be a MAGA trying to act as one of us, just to be able to poison the water and cast doubt. It won't work, dude. Hasan fans are very stubborn. They will keep providing the evidence to people to judge by themselves and realize that you tried to fuck them up in the ass, unsuccessfully. People who actually care about the truth, that is. I know there are so many people out there who will proudly support people who hurt them, so, to me, those people are already dead. They abandoned their humanity a long time ago, lol

And no. Hasan ain't "Joe Rogan of the left." Joe Rogan is a gullible orc. Not the same at all. I have given 0$ in total to Hasan too, and if he's grifting me, prove it.

TL:DR They are in the F tier for being Zionists who use stochastic terrorism to cause immense amounts of pain and suffering unto innocent people. Not just because they are Jews. It is not antisemitic, it is anti-zionist, a very, very important difference.

He has proven to have the worst judgement possible, dude. The Boston video is just an appetizer that displays the kind of person he is and what to expect. Those two people in the F tier deserve to be there because they are pieces of shit who deserve to be insulted and made fun of for the rest of their lives unless they do massive things that tip the scale. That's it, stop trying to farm sympathy for evil people, it won't work, I don't care if they are "Jews"; they are Zionists, and Zionists killed my family in Lebanon and Palestine.

I won't excuse their crimes just because they went through the Holocaust anymore, and you should stop too. 2 years after WWII ended, they did the Nakba. They are not innocent little angels, they are human beings, and human beings are complex. You trying to make this black and white, by using antisemitism as a shield, is not going to work anymore. Zionists deserve everything that is coming to them, and I still respect Jews, because not all Jews are Zionists. I'd say the same about Americans, despite the anger I display, I can still separate MAGAs from Americans instead of treating them all as monolithic.

And I don't want to be around someone who benefits the pedophiles and Jeffrey Epstein Class like you.

Go on and keep attacking the few voices we still have that spread class consciousness. This is the exact reason you will never have even a quarter of the joyful life baby boomers had, you moral purist demon. You are morally inferior to everyone in Hasan's community for this crappy ass behavior. You generalized them all based on me, and I am literally one of their biggest outliers. I got permabanned in Twitch because I told an Asmongold viewer to go fuck themselves after they were publicly making fuck of Palestinians getting bombed.

You are literally someone who is benefiting people like Asmongold, when you say shit like this, so, fuck off. The time for stupid people like you is over. We don't have to appease or appeal you. Stay behind in the darkness if that is what you want.

Love the spirit, but people will do both. They will burn his business, his cars, his office and his home. I am not sure why you care so much about only the business. You want to keep it intact so we give it to someone better? A better CEO/the workers? That'd be the most ideal, I'd agree with that, but current times won't allow that to happen that easily, unlike the other, which is already starting. It's something that takes decades, it doesn't happen in one day. We might expect a story like the warehouse or Luigi's every year now.