Casually erasing communists from that list, cool.

Laws are enforced by making some legal entity either comply to them, or be punished (via fines for example).

There's a limited extent to which laws can still be enforced on a service that's hosted outside of the countries with those laws, but the point of open source and decentralized alternatives to Discord is that they're harder for governments to force into enforcing these kinds of laws.

Which deportations are good and righteous as you say? What part of ICE has ever been good? Why do you think the solution for immigrants being in your country without papers is to use violence against them, instead of just... letting them apply for paperwork easier?

It seems like the user who posted that article makes similar posts attacking China exclusively, day-in and day-out. 4000+ posts in the last year.

This particular post is a summary from a report from a large European think tank that's obviously quite pro-NATO and worthy of skepticism from any anti-imperialist audience. The report itself seems to cast an extremely broad net as to what should count as nefarious Chinese meddling:

However, China’s efforts today are about shaping public opinion at scale. In a wider casting of the net, Chinese FIMI now relies on a busy ecosystem of other actors. For example, Beijing uses research partnerships, business associations, cultural exchanges, diaspora networks and social media influencers—who may or may not recognise their role in communicating CCP narratives. These locally based people and organisations (such as, for example, a Polish influencer talking to Polish audiences) provide familiar cultural and linguistic references and possess legitimacy that Chinese authorities lack. They help embed Beijing’s narratives into debates that, at first glance, may seem unrelated to China, such as the future of European industrial policy, global governance or the economy.

The underlying logic runs as follows: influence the wider information environment first, allow preferred narratives to become familiar and “common sense” in everyday online discourse and then let those narratives travel—with the help of local intermediaries—into mainstream media agendas and, eventually, national politics.

According to this report, a Chinese academic who's just participating in a research program in Europe is part of China's "FIMI" (their buzzword for disinformation/propaganda) efforts. But that, and the examples cited throughout here (except maybe AI which I'm willing to say is a different kind of phenomenon) is just a normal part of a country integrating itself in the globalized world.

If Algerian students start coming to European universities, and Algerian traveling influencers start talking about how cool it is to travel to Algeria, and Algerian artists make media that is consumed in Europe, European people's opinion of Algeria will improve. And I think that it would be perfectly OK for that to happen, and for the governments of Algeria and Europe to try to cultivate that cultural exchange and bringing down of barriers. Same with literally any other country on earth (especially the ones that I'm very critical of, e.g. USA and Israel, because it still is cool for people to be less ignorant, although with the US particularly I think people are already extremely familiar with their culture and it dominates everything).

Why is it any different with China? Why are Chinese people treated with this suspicion? Why are we contributing to sinophobia by acting like it's crazy that young people kinda want to be Chinese?

Can you elaborate on that?

With those obvious pieces in place: Do you think that someone that’s a murderer or tax cheat or rapist or Nazi or Pedohile (pretty much the entire Republic卐n party) should not be deprorted?

Why should they be deported? You're begging the question that deportation is the solution to those problems in the first place. You're also saying this like the point of ICE was ever to catch violent criminals, when it has always been an agency that exists to catch people who haven't otherwise been processed by the criminal justice system. The violent criminals who happen to be immigrants are already caught and processed by the regular cops who are tasked with dealing with those crimes.

So the Democratic Party is structurally incapable of pushing through the reforms and new programs that are necessary to stop fascism? Why should people keep being married to that party instead of supporting any other effort, and pay no rhetorical support nor lip service to a party that also facilitates fascism?

Did Biden win the senate?

It seems that now that Trump is president, what congress says doesn't matter at all and the President can do whatever.

Did he appoint the judges for the supreme court?

He could've expanded it, like FDR threatened to do and forced the court to let him do some of the New Deal reforms they were previously opposed to. Biden never lifted a finger with regards to that. This also could've maintained Roe v Wade.

I agree that he mishandled the conflict in Israel,

1. it's a genocide
2. "mishandled" is a really egregious weasel word for "gave unconditional support to the government even as approval ratings slid down the drain"

Taxes are not going to abolish the conditions that allow for the exploitation of labor.

Wanna share some of those hundreds of videos?

There's another side to this. I'm originally from Hexbear and only started checking out what the experience of someone on an instance that isn't massively defederated looks like. Lemmy.ml's meme comms are full of tankie ragebait, but then there's multiple .world communities that are the same, but they're liberal ragebait. The difference is that .world's ideology is hegemonic while .ml's is fringe. But to someone who isn't a liberal, looking at a Lemmy front page when .world is on that front page also has a lot of propagandistic content with little news or entertainment value; you probably just don't realize it.

If the government actually did its job and stopped the fascist goons then maybe this wouldn't have happened in the first place?

Europe provided something like 30% of the foreign weapons used to commit the genocide in Gaza. How many did China provide?

You have a🔻in your username. That makes you a "tankie" to a huge portion of the people who hate communists, too. We're both going to get sent to the same camps.

Though it might all come back to haunt Trump eventually since there’s thousands of lawsuits filed against him for all the times he misused executive orders. That’s just wishful thinking on my part though.

He'll die before any of those consequences matter. His fascist successor will probably rinse the next Democratic nominee because the Democrats don't intend to change anything or make any of the changes you're talking about happen. It's a million times more realistic to hope that the United States splits into multiple incoherent territories that are no longer able to terrorize the rest of the world than hope the Democratic Party suddenly turns around and become the opposite of what it has been during essentially its whole existence (maybe except for the minute that Lyndon Johnson signed the Civil Rights act).

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Join an actual socialist org and stop trying to fix the Democratic Party, you're only wasting your energy.

You're so preoccupied with your knee jerk anticommunism that you're doing revisionist, apologist history for the Reagan administration. Was Reagan doing what he thought was the best for the people when participating in the Iran Contra affair? Come on, the US is a country that has always operated to secure its own imperialist hegemony since it became a global super power. Every single government since the start of the Cold War has operated to do that by any means necessary, even committing genocide and propping up fascist regimes worldwide.

You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn't include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You're saying that system worked relatively well? I'm saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.

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Osama Bin Laden and I happen to have the same position that the end of the USA as a political entity would be a positive thing. I probably also agree with him that breathing and having meals is necessary for survival.

Are either of those propositions made less true by virtue of Osama also believing them?

Thank you, that's one. You said there's hundreds.

but I didn’t have the secret police disappearing people off the street during the last Democratic presidency

It wasn't as broad as what's happening with ICE right now but some student protesters in encampments for Palestine in 2024 were arrested in unmarked vehicles.

For what it's worth, what's the ratio of dead and arrested Americans to Palestinians that makes voting for the party that will kill the same number of Palestinians but fewer Americans acceptable?