Google is so bad these days, nothing but shitty SEO results
This search should obviously return the official Docker Hub Redis image, https://hub.docker.com/_/redis, but it's just a bunch of blogs.
On DuckDuckGo the first result is the Docker Hub image, which is what everyone would want.
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Google definitely has its moments of returning crap results, but you chose a terrible example.
Results from both docker and redis, on topic for exactly what you asked for.
Why even use Google at all, when you could search docker hub If that’s what you knew you wanted.
You asked for docker redis image, received docker.com talking about redis, and redis.io talking about docker
Idk that seems pretty on the point to me
With such a query the first expected result would be https://hub.docker.com/_/redis, and then blog posts if really that's what you want.
On my device I cannot find a link to dockerhub at all with the same query.
No, it wouldn't. If you wrote dockerhub instead of docker, then it would be. Or maybe a "site:" dork.
Yeah, I don’t see the problem here. Those are the pages with the download links (and also instructions to use them, for folks who need it)
What did you want, a direct download link to a file? An FTP site?
You literally got what you asked for. There are plenty of examples of Google search sucking, this is you just being pissy because there’s instructions on a download page.
That's what they wanted and it's the first result in seemingly every other search engine.
For anyone wondering, here's that same query in DDG (zoomed out to show same amount of results)
This is the moment I switch to DDG. I started using google in 2003 and I think I’m done now.
This is definitely what I'd want if I search for this
man SEO really has managed to break search. There's so many random blogs that just have pretty much just your search terms in the title and rarely have anything else of use.
There's usually just AI-generated meandering with no actual information in it.
idk.... the first two results seem both relevant and authoritative.
You may not be a developer, but the first expected result with that query would be a link to https://hub.docker.com/_/redis
Google is really bad at this for some reason and will point you to blogs that as a dev I don't care in the slightest. Hell, using the same query I cannot find a single link to dockerhub on my device, it's extremely frustrating
I'm a developer and I'd much rather have the docs. Who the fuck can remember FROM reddis?
It's important to look at the dockerhub page to see the available tags (I usually prefer smaller images like alpine)
The usage docs for the docker image should be in the dockerhub readme.
But the first result to the query
docker redis imageshould be the dockerhub entry, followed maybe by blog posts and tutorials.Otherwise you can query something like
redis docorredis docker tutorial.It's a garbage blog that starts as an ad for Docker Hub, that's clearly not what I want.
Clearly? Your keywords are docker and reddis.... here is a page, from docker.com talking about that exact thing.
How can you automate the relevance of the page? manually review? block all blog (some blogs are good).
Google uses signals, like you clicking on other links, to determine the quality of results, so your terminal click is the high quality result.
You complain the first result is an ad for docker hub, but your stated desired result is .... docker hub.....
But couldnt they active their brain during development? Or have for the big websites that have something special a special case?
for example on docker you dont want ugly Blogs from them you want the images if you ask for docker IMAGENAME. They know the path paterns /ORG/IMAGENAME.
If you have issues then you will query docker how to use IMAGENAME or similar then the blog would be perfect. Otherwise useless information.
your taking your human level domain specific knowledge of a specific site structure - and generalizing it to a search engine. How is the search engine going to know the best result to give you?
If a search is for docker NAME image so google shows users
Which result is going to get more terminal, and high quality clicks from searchers?
Realizing that many of the people who are using docker daily are either going to already go to the hub directly, or do site:hub.docker.com in some quick search bar
The population of searchers who find the A result more beneficial is probably higher then the B result, most people prefer step by step instructions and some hand holding when searching. The pros who have a groove and rythem, I suspect, have more direct ways to get what they want.
While google can improve, i'm not seeing this as gore, the relevant result this user wanted was the 5th link, and the first 2 links both got them there as well.
ok boomer then use “docker pull” why are you Googling it
Probably to lookup what are the possible environment vars for the container.
The second one is relevant official documentation tho
I'm confused then. If you were looking for a docker image, why not start in hub.docker.com?
I'm not an expert in containers, but I know enough to know if I am looking for an image, I go to docker hub.
I agree with OP here, these results are not great.
OP searched for the redis docker image, not a tutorial on how to use it, not a tutorial on why redis should be run in docker, and did not search for redis docker docs. While these are relevant, they should be further down, not the top result. DDG gets this right, and I'm pretty sure other search engines do too.
For a total newbie, these results are probably OK, but for a technical person who knows what they want literally as they type it, Google's results are (excuse my french) simply shit. DDG is miles better at handling this stuff, and they don't need your personal data to do it well either.
Edit: Just went and searched "redis docker image" in a private tab on Google, and the docker hub image for Redis is not even shown on the first page of results
It's the 5th result for me.
Don't really see the "gore" ... those are all relevant results.
The “gore” is “Google bad.” Not really much else to it.
On kagi, the first result is also the docker hub link. This example is not actually that bad though, the first 2 results at least still relevant (from docker and redis domains) instead of some random blogspam (3rd result).
It's the second result for me.
Funny I unintentionally searched kagi with the keywords in the wrong order - and got it in the first result
Kagi is so good
I searched for help on a game I was playing the other day and got 300 results, all the same forum post. Like, the exact same post 300 times
Just for fun let's compare the search results of docker redis image:
So more or less the same high quality results in the top 5 results across the engines, with a little reordering going on.
the* means blog spam.
I had a similar experience today. I wanted to run a battlefield 2042 server and forgot the URL.
(It’s https://portal.battlefield.com)
So I google searched for “Run a battlefield 2042 server” thinking obviously that would lead to that page. Nope, all it gave me were blog posts and wikihow shit.
Isn't duckduckgo just bing with disabled tracking?
cough-bing is actually alright, sorry-cough
I was searching how to cast the screen on an Android phone through USB yesterday, and I had to go through pages of "free" Play Store apps and their shitty tutorials, some of which I downloaded, (one had 50 million downloads) two of which were identical skins of each other that wanted payment information and charged $20 a month after a week long trial, to eventually find out it's a default included option on any Samsung phone and can be found in some settings. Google search has completely gone to shit.
If you're still looking for a solution, I highly recommend "scrcpy" https://github.com/Genymobile/scrcpy
Get docker redis images cheap! at....
I had moved to DDG a few years ago and enjoyed it until around the middle of this year when I started getting less and less relevant results.
Started using (and yes, paying for) Kagi 3 or so months ago and it's amazing going back to searches that actually work again. I don't know how well I'd handle moving back to an ad supported search provider.
!docker redis DDG bangs are the way.
don't need to bang that one out. docker redis image hit the mark, top result.
These things aren’t smart. They don’t know the context of your search. It doesn’t ask “why are they looking for [keyword]”, it just matches to results that score strongly for the keyword. Yeah, blogs tend to suck up the traffic but the results you got are 1 step away from what you were actually looking for but didn’t include in the search prompt.
The real problem is that the internet is being littered by AI generated articles and blog posts. Optimizing your SEO has never been easier because how quickly it can analyse key words / trends etc. This process used to be extremely time consuming- not anymore.
So now we have content that is generated for the sole purpose of getting traffic and serve no real value, competing with actual genuine sources. That's why we're seeing a shift in our search results.
Ideally search engines now have to adapt and learn to differentiate between "real" and AI generated content. but just like global warming I fear we've gone beyond the point of no return, and must suffer the consequences.
@Dagamant
@cozy_agent
There's still hope, we just need to actively sabotage these SEO hubs. The easiest and safest one would be an SEO site flagger plugin that would hide links to sites predominately featuring SEO garbage.
I hope so - but I have my doubts. In many cases it's already impossible for a human to differentiate between A.I generated- and real content. This applies to both image and text.
While I'm on the subject; data poisoning is an interesting idea. If what the researchers behind the tool is true, it may change how copyright laws work on visual content.
That doesn't make any sense, wanted to find the image, don't know the link by heart.
Is searching for a specific object really such a weird thing? Op is clearly asking for a file, but the search engine is overoptimized for blog posts
$ docker search --filter is-official=true redis.....did you even bother clicking the Images tab before creating this post?
He shouldn't have to though
I know, right? Google Search has been particularly sheet for the last couple of years.
It's, honestly, mind boggling just how bad things got with it.
The only stuff it's still usually better at finding, compared to other search engines, is super obscure stuff on super obscure sites. Which makes sense, I suppose: hardly anyone has fingers as grabby and far reaching as Google.
I was searching for a scripting language to embed into an application, then I got popular programming language comparisons, most of which hailed the functional programming paradigm, which is very bad for games.
gafam bad (apple is less bad)
That's why I made my default Chrome search engine duckduckgo
Are you high? This is nearly perfect.
Have to say I'm a bit surprised by all the replies that are completely fine with all the results being SEO ridden blogs instead of something useful, for example have you tried searching for a recipe in the last year, 1000 word blog and then the recipe as an extra.
The results you’ve highlighted aren’t “all the results”, they’re the ones you’ve screenshotted to make your point.
One is from dockers website, the other is official redis docs, the results aren’t that bad.
There is an issue with Google’s search these days, this post is just not a great example.
We are reacting to the high quality search results you used in your example as terrible.
You didn't post about a recipe search
The top two results you've posted here aren't even SEO blogs, they're official sources. Recipe sites have been bullshit since long, long, long before the past year and the current trend of SEO enshittification. This argument doesn't hold water.
I think most people are just used to Google, I used to be several years ago before moving to DDG.
Now I find Google is way too... "tutorially" and "bloggy" with results, and actually slows down my workflow a lot when I'm looking for a specific thing immediately - usually a bit of scrolling to get what I'm looking for.
DDG (for my use case as a casual search engine, and something to search docs for work) gets you to whatever you want with a much, much shorter and concise query, and pretty much always gets it right each time as the first result