I remember having a conversation with a coworker who was getting into Linux when Kali was a big deal for script kiddies. He told me he installed it and I was like "dude you want it to be a read only OS, don't install it. Just boot to it from a CD or USB." We went back and forth on that for weeks until I just gave up and labeled him an idiot in my mind.
I put it on a dual boot laptop once because the laptop was to shitty to run to a proper VM and I wanted to get updates at a few different points in time. Intel Core 2 Dou and Windows XP as the other OS. It was more of a project laptop than a daily driver though.
Was windows XP the current windows generation or did you pick it for some other reason? I assume it'll run easier on weak hardware, and until just now never thought about putting it on my laptop as a dual boot for those moments you actually need windows.
When I was a kid I installed it and was like "hooHOO, me hacker", so there are silly things like that.
Nevermind me being too intimidated by CLI to do anything in Linux at the time lmfao.
It's been a while since I've thought about it, so what are the reasons why it's a bad daily driver? I assume there's poor support for drivers, hardware, etc.?
Or is it when you do pen testing you don't want to leave traces of yourself? I'm not a cybersecurity guy, so I genuinely don't know.
Hasn't been the case anymore for quite some time, even though I think it has quite generous sudo rules. But yes, it's not meant to be your main OS but instead more like a toolbox you use in liveboot/VM/etc.
I've had this conversation with lots of first time Linux users. They think that Kali is the most hardcore hacker OS and that's what they need to run for a introduction to security course.
Q : How/why did you make such a great OS?
A : I thought - what would attract young users to Linux? So I created this idea after a lot of reading and work.
What the fuck the do you have a life question is so offensive! Stop trying to just be edgy in memes!
I'm so sick of these stupid stereotypes that the Linux community has. I'll have you know that I use both Debian and Fedora and I do not in fact have a life.
not sure why this is getting downvoted, this has happened before and even happens on Apple devices where they just re-enable privacy settings you disabled or whatever else the fuck they want like, idk, bluetooth.
also Microsoft "may" block you from updating your system if its unable to reinstall edge like holy shite
Note for Windows users who uninstalled system apps using previous version
If you used privacy.sexy (v0.12.6 or v0.12.7) to delete system apps, please follow these steps to avoid potential issues with Windows Updates:
Open Command Prompt (Start Menu ➜ type "cmd" ➜ select "Command Prompt").
Copy and paste the following command:
PowerShell -ExecutionPolicy Unrestricted -Command "Remove-Item -Path 'HKLM:\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Appx\AppxAllUserStore\EndOfLife*' -Force -Verbose"
Press Enter.
This action ensures that there are no side effects related to Windows Updates, since Microsoft may block updates if it is unable to reinstall Edge.
The last article I get but the analytics being reenabled was a bug right? I say this as someone who has done every manner of transfer, upgrade and OS update possible on all manner of Apple devices…my settings have never been changed.
One thing they did do recently maybe is flip the checkboxes for analytics to be automatically enabled when they’ve had it opt in for like a decade. Definitely not happy about that.
Bluetooth and WiFi never turns back on unless you’re doing it from the control center…in which case it doesn’t really turn off so much as disconnect you from your current AP and put Bluetooth in low energy mode.
If I’m wrong I want to know. I recently went nuclear on Microsoft’s privacy team for constantly emailing me promotions despite being unsubscribed to everything. I’m on a list now where even if I do sign up for a newsletter, I won’t receive it lol.
/edit Jesus what the fuck. My settings got reset! Thanks for the heads up…wtf is this shit??
Bluetooth and WiFi never turns back on unless you’re doing it from the control center
Interesting. still annoying tho especially with the whole Flipper Zero shenanigans.
The last article I get but the analytics being reenabled was a bug right?
ehhh? I have no idea how a bug like that happens, it could be my paranoia watching these huge companies play with their consumers that way to not believe it was a bug, but if you read the whole article that "bug" didn't happen to everyone's iPhone and Apple responded saying they were "investigating" the issue but never really commented on it afterwards.
I recently went nuclear on Microsoft’s privacy team for constantly emailing me promotions despite being unsubscribed to everything.
You're right. Steam link exists for Linux but doesn't connect to the new VR app. I agree valve likely has every intention of tapping this market soon though
She doesn't have a quest actually, I have a hp reverb g2, which connects to steam vr through the windows MR software. So no matter how compatible stream vr gets with Linux I still need to have the wmr stuff available.
Also I have a phone, so yeah everyone does have all my data despite my best efforts.
The difference between paranoia and fear is the difference between not wanting to buy a Google Home because it listens to you and not wanting to buy a Google Home because you're afraid you'll break it.
That is actually a great metaphore. I always just used:
It's like me not wanting to use google photos because they scan your photos to train algorithms vs my mom not wanting to use google photos because she is afraid all of her photos will get deleted.
I have been using the same Arch installation for about 8 years. The initial installation/configuration is the only time consuming part. Actual day-to-day usage is extremely easy.
Maybe this is no longer the case but I previously used Ubuntu and it was actually much more annoying in comparison, especially when upgrading between major revisions or needing to track down sources/PPAs for packages not in the main repos. Or just when you want something more up-to-date than what they're currently shipping.
The rolling release model + the AUR saves so much time and prevents a lot of headaches.
Oh god yeah that's the fate of snap and flat pack.
Install OBS studio, current version has some issues oh look there's a flat pack install the flat pack instead. OBS runs great. Oh, I need some plugins Go to install the plugins, The plugins folder isn't where it belongs. I scrape along and find the plugins folder I try to shove them in there doesn't work. Oh I need to find the flat pack installer for the plugin.... But half the s*** I want isn't available.
I truly appreciate them trying to make things more universal and easier. But it's a fine line we're walking between easy but unconfigurable and non-standard complicated but flexible.
Worth noting, this meme is from the time before Arch had an easy installer. So that's probably what it's referring to.
I joined Linux almost 4 years ago, and this meme already existed then. I dunno how old it really is.
reminds me of what happens when developing software and using “no code” tools. Fragile and inflexible but if you meet the exact use case in the exact way it’s an instant win
I don't get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine --- they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom --- tmux, htop, nload, lolcats.....most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.
I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it...but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.
Virtually non-repairable hardware I'm especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.
Expensive as hell.
Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can't get OS updates anymore then you can't have xcode versions updates anymore.
They're pretty, They have great battery life, and they're *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.
I assumed that's the only thing it could mean but literally could not believe anyone would decide to remove the fucking escape key of all things... WTF
Other people's software is great, what was asked is why the Apple hate.
Apple doesn't provide Homebrew, Apple updates *in the past have occasionally broken it horribly. (Looking at you El Capitan)
But while we are taking a look at home brew, If you need a specific version of something you are occasionally up a creek. It's been a hot few years since I was daily driving OSX *as my primary, but when I needed a certain version of memcache or a certain version of netcat for a feature, It just wasn't there and then compiling it for the OS was a far bigger pain in the ass than it is on any Linux distro.
That makes about as much sense as saying that pip, gem, npm, cargo, or nix should called be the default package manager on Mac OS...
The default package manager is the default because it manages the system's software. RPM, Deb/apt, pacman, etc. Homebrew is like pip or docker or cargo or snap or whatever else. You can set it up if you'd like but it's certainly not a default. (Though I'm not trying to dispute that it's good 😊)
Mac OS doesn't have a good default package management solution (though they would if they just opened up the app store and added a CLI). It's ok to admit it, and say that third party folks (who Apple does not support unless I'm missing something) are powering a pretty good third party experience. If only Apple cared about people who wanted a truly free an customizable computer, they could make a great OS :)
Homebrew is fairly different from pip, cargo or npm in that only python developers use pip, only rust developers use cargo, etc. And those are mostly used to manage libraries, rather than executables.
Meanwhile, essentially everyone who uses the console uses homebrew regardless of what programming languages they might or might not use. I was making a joke about how good, useful and basically required homebrew is.
EOL support. I have a 11-12 year old System76 laptop. Works perfectly on the latest Ubuntu version.
Their shitty walled garden for both software (iOS) and hardware (soldered components that don't need to be).
Overpriced.
Fake sense of privacy.
I used Mac OS 6.x through 10.4. When I was in college and couldn't afford to replace my aging G4, I triple booted Fedora, Mac OS X, and Windows on a hackintosh where I gravitated towards mostly Linux and Windows for a couple games. Owned a couple iPhones but decided to role Android when the nexus 6 came out to save some money when I had my first child on the way and my current phone was dying.
I don't miss anything I left behind. Had a short stint at work during COVID where I was given a MacBook. While not horrible, I ran into enough nuances I was able to justify to my work using a Linux laptop instead. I just don't find anything appealing to give them my business.
Agreed. Macs are perfectly fine and capable UNIX machines, really the only problem with them is the price. And yes I get that some people aren't fans of the UI but it requires no more of a learning curve than, say, GNOME.
But whatever. I'm not even offended by this meme, it's actually rather factual on the whole, which can't be said for everything posted in this group.
Mac is proprietary bullshit that's why. It's fine for work usage. At home I want to support FOSS.
Also MacBooks are a ripoff. You get 6-8 years of support and then all updates stop. Not worth it when Linux support is indefinite, and even Windows gets you 10+ years.
I think the idea of a (relatively) simple or as complex "roll your own flavour" OS makes lots of sense to someone like me. For most people the effort might not be worth the payout.
Well, the other side would be operating systems you can't really screw up too badly because they are locked down harder, so perhaps it's fear of the unknown?
Or in the office, the hardware-software relations between the laptop and Windows and in some parts Linux are strained at best, where drivers, power management, and so on get crappy. E.g. after a year or two of updates, it gets out of control and nice things like hibernations don't work. It's usually a driver for some small thing you don't care about that forgot to read the Windows specification change and now it can't do that power handling in a good way. Oops the computer refuses to sleep and your bag is burning, your battery is 1% when picking the computer up again.
I completely understand that with windows, especially with hibernation like what the fuck is "windows modern standby"
but with Linux, it depends on the distro you use.
if you're using something such as Pop_OS, I can pretty much guarantee you you're never going to run into a power management issue or even a driver issue for that matter since its based off of Ubuntu and is very well supported.
I'm not sure, many developers use mac to get working unix tools and working "enterprise" tools at work like Teams and other crap that the company uses for "everyone". Sadly many of these tools work like crap on Linux and maybe in best case the web-version is workable.
You're confusing developers with power users here. At my company, the developers can do one thing well, but are far, far from power users with any technology. The amount of times I've seen them get stuck at a simple error message without doing more than throwing their hands up thinking they don't have permissions or something is actually broken, without doing the least bit of troubleshooting is both baffling and frustrating.
I've seen plenty shit stacks on macos tbf. Windows has better window management which saves a lot of time when you're juggling between seperate windows.
i’m gonna get crucified for giving apple a single benefit of a doubt but i think there are just as many windows users who “fear technology” as mac ones. think of all the grandparents running shitty dollar store pcs. mac is only a walled sandbox until you turn off the safeguards, then you can see exactly as much dumb back-end shit as you can on windows
I think this is sdvice on what you should do, not what people actually do. This would be why there is such a big industry for windows tech support. Tldr: Windows: Be afraid, very afraid.
My arch install took some setup to get it specifically right for me, still trying to figure out the final touches. I have the entire thing encrypted and under btrfs sub-partitions. I set up secure boot as well and added it to my tpm. Last thing I got to do is set it up so it automatically decrypts on boot without a password. I've been liking this setup over my Fedora setup. I have to worry about smaller breakage every so often, but with Fedora I had to worry about big breakage every major version. Moving most of what I can to flatpak mitigated a lot of that though. I'm too lazy to replicate my arch setup on my laptop so that's just sticking with Fedora until I decide it should run something else.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, and maybe it's because I'm not understanding exactly what you're saying, but what's the benefit of encrypting if it decrypts on boot without a password?
Just to prevent someone who boots another OS on your device from being able to access your files? Something else?
Because changing any hardware will flip the tpm and require a password. If they stole the hard drive, it'd be encrypted. Basically I'm protecting on if they rip out the harddrive lol.
Tux Jigsaw is "Linux from Scratch." It's not really a distro, but rather a guide that walks you through configuring an entire Linux distro from the ground up.
Gentoo is a distro focused on compiling pretty much everything from source locally.
Yeah, honestly you can replace Arch with Gentoo. Arch is for when you don't have a life for an afternoon or two while you're getting set up. After that it's smooth.
What if you don't fear technology, have no life, and are technologically behind and don't understand what anything but the apple and windows symbols are? I recognize the penguin from an EEE PC that I had like 15 years ago, but that's it.
*Sorry I also recognize Google, just not immediately apparently.
In that case, I guess it's time to get educated about Linux.
At least to the point, where you understand, that what I'm referring to, should actually be called "GNU/Linux".
*"I recognize Google" is also not Google itself, but specifically the Chrome Logo that refers to Chrome OS in this case.
You’re a human with the knowledge of a time lord! You know more than you let on don’t you.
They’re distributions that add onto an open source set of softwares - including a kernel and common utilities - that can be made into a fully fledged operating system.
Together the family of OSes are referred to as Linux systems since the kernel (the main bit of an OS) is called Linux.
Oooh I don't want to spoil new episodes for anyone so I can't actually respond to the Time Lord knowledge bit, but I feel like I recognized some of the words you used lmao.
He really is, so is his wife. And he slays every role he plays. I rarely miss an opportunity to catch him on screen.
And I am so glad RTD is back! Moffat was fun and all, but both he and Chibnall were better at the short stories that could be told in an episode or two.
It isn't just you, it failed on me enough times that I'll never touch it again. I either manually install raw Arch, or use EndeavourOS instead for a "lazy" install.
I actually switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed from Ubuntu and love it. I know it's not as popular, but I can't see why. Rolling release, compatibility, support, it's awesome!
Can totally agree. Debian & Arch are totally equal in terms of stability. Any Linux os can be unstable, it really all depends on how the user uses it....
It might be getting a second wind now as an escape from Wayland/NVIDIA and death by a thousand snaps. That was why I switched a few months ago; all I wanted was to play ETS2 on my old laptop, dangit.
I had a brief expedition into game development recently and ended up using Unreal Engine, I eventually gave up on Unreal -- but I do plan on checking out Godot. Although, I eventually go home sick for Linux (my computer isn't powerful enough to run a Windows VM with a game engine; please spare me), and ended up wanting a "it just works™" setup. So, logically, I try Fedora. Although, the installer just wouldn't boot, not on a USB, not on Ventoy, nothing. Just a cold dark screen with a solid underline cursor. I also tried OpenSUSE at one point, but there's some bad blood between me and that distro so I think I gave up at the installer. Anyway, I ended up installing Arch Linux, and would you look at that, the installer launches!
TL;DR: Arch Linux might take more time to get setup to your liking, but once you get it there, it it just works™.
PS: I have very much non-free hardware, this could be part of it -- and it made installing Artix Linux with hardware encryption very difficult that one time. :/
Edit: PPS: I'm not trying to say "don't use Fedora or OpenSUSE," use what you want. This is my experience.
ive been using arch for a couple of months and the only thing that has broken is the timezone
i have tried using the same command to set the time as i did when i first installed (it worked) but now it just wont changev. if anyone wants to help, id be pleased :]
i tried using the wiki to fix it and now it has the correct timezone. realpath answers "/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo"
though the xfce time still shows that the pc time is 16 minutes late. date command does the same. (exemple: phone shows 15:16, which is the actual time, while pc shows 15:00)
though i dont live in sao paulo, it is just a little north of here and should be in the same timezone. also, when i installed the OS with that timezone, it showed the correct time.
I am gonna go against the circlejerk here and publicly admit that I have a macbook pro, daddy aint rich either, I wanted something that would last and works well, it's both environmental and ux based decision for me, so it was either macbook or framework, since framework doesn't sell in my country It's an easy decision.
Also it's an os most people want it to just work, one of the main reasons why iOS and MacOs are popular, until there is a linux flavor like mac is made and then it's distributed as the default os, the year of the linux desktop will never come
I don't see Gentoo, Slackware and Void there. Also Arch is an irrelevant distribution among us folks without life. It should be on the left, maybe after the "are you trying to look like a hackerman" question.
Yes, if not that, I'd probably use it. Everything is very nice except for that need to plan for installing software.
Kali - well, I've actually met one such person and he later stopped being stupid and got into something hardware-related. I've been a person believing that Gentoo or Slackware can turn one into a good sysadmin for a few years.
You only have to use one of seemingly several methods to make the offline account option appear based on what specific version installer you have, no to Cortana but wait for her subtitles to finish in time with her audio anyway, individually untick every data collection option which each take up the whole screen with the toggle and next button being just far apart enough for it to be annoying plus the slow fade transition, realize you actually need the enterprise edition to set telemetry to 0 using group policy editor which isn't available otherwise, have a vaguely different installation for that, find out that some functionality isn't available like Ms store and some other stuff on enterprise which requires PowerShell to add it in if needed. Then possibly some random app to block select domains, with exceptions for the ones that make xbox, the Ms support sites, and ms software not work when disabled if needed. and/or pihole/unbound/Adguard if you have the means of setting it up. Then have random software not work for unknown reasons but you know deep down it's the non standard installation of windows.
IKR, or pretty much any distro even some of the 'advanced' ones with some caveats.
I just had to do up a dual boot with windows for someone who works with people that use a windows only software that currently can't be wine'd, and was appalled at how awful the install procedure has become since everything after 7 really. The enterprise and not pro features that are actually desirable for privacy minded people that aren't experts in networking hardware and software was a huge let down too. Well assuming M$ isn't just blatantly lying about config options anyway.
Honestly gaming hasn't been a problem for me on Linux. It is a bit more work in some games to get them up and running, but windows 11 started waking up without any reason so I abandoned it and think the extra work is worth it.
But I understand why someone wouldn't want to go through it.
No I checked before I went to Linux. There was no obvious reason anywhere and nothing in the logs. It just decided to wake up every afternoon. Whatever, I'm done with the OS.
You are on Linux, obviously that fixed your problem. But yeah, the setting for faster wakeup from sleep is hidden somewhere, and Microsoft does not want that to be toggled off and may even ignore it, lol
Windows keeps the computer awake and does not do sleep like it used to anymore. S3 sleep, that is. Keeps wifi connected and all that jazz. Battery drain is significantly worse now.
Only if you play CoD, Fortnite, or Destiny 2. If you're technically inclined and don't mind working around some issues, gaming on Linux has come a long way and can be used for pretty much anything else. I used to dual-boot Windows for games, then I went to booting Windows in a VM and gaming with a spare, passed-through GPU. But I haven't booted my VM in months, and I play lots of games.
See, that's the thing: I very much mind "working around some issues" in gaming and in gaming alone. I'm as much of a tinkerer when it comes to software as the next guy, but now with a child and all of those pesky responsibilities that slowly pile up as you age, gaming time is
a) scarce and
b) the only real "wind down" time I get
I have time for other things that make me happy mind you, but gaming time needs to be different you cannot dive into an RPG and do subtle story Sidequests and whatnot if you can't dive into the game fully, switch off everything else for a time. Whenever I can do that, any "small issue" I'd need to work around would make me MAD.
Gaming is the one thing where I don't want the super customizable OS that works exactly as I want that I can get with Linux. I want to press play and be taken to a place where peasants will task any random stranger to bring their child somewhere and any Lord will entrust his kingdom into some random dipshit he just.met.
And not wanting to do that makes perfect sense. I don't really want to either, of course, but I've decided that if I as a person who can do it actually switch to Linux that must mean that some others of similar minds are going to do it as well.
When it reaches critical mass it'll just become easier and easier. It already is much easier than it has been, but not having time is a totally valid reason not to do it yet.
But at least for my personal experience the kinds of issues I encounter gaming on Linux are typically less frustrating than the ones I encountered gaming in Windows.
To pretend that either experience is pain-free would be dishonest but I've had less difficulties since switching fully to Linux and actually seen a noticeable improvement in performance on many games as well.
I think in reality if stability and never having to "fix" issues or bugs is your biggest concern you are probably more suited to console gaming
So my options are install OS, install GPU drivers, install games, and then play games, or install OS, read 50 different guides, fight iommu or some other configuration, eventually get it working enough to install another OS in a VM, fight getting that performing well, install games, and then play games with potential for worse performance.
I love Linux, but claiming these two things are comparable is ridiculous. I work with Linux all day at work, I don't want to work with it at home when I just want to relax.
The point I'm making is that you don't have to read 50+ guides anymore. Install a distro with a good gaming track record (Nobara, Garuda, Pop_OS, Bazzite) and play games. Linux gaming has come a long way.
That said, I understand where you're coming from. I'm just trying to say it's easier now than it's ever been before.
I made the switch to daily driving Linux on my laptop for work and play a few months back with a dual boot setup with Windows, and changed over mine and my partner's gaming desktops to do the same, and they recently got a Steam Deck OLED as well. Honestly I can't say this is true. It depends on the distro, but I went with Pop OS, and it has been ridiculously pain free to game on. I play a large variety of weird, old, indie games, and I've encountered a single game that didn't work on Pop OS that I needed to play on Windows (WRC 4) and that particular game BARELY worked on Windows as well and took lots of setting up and fixing. More often than not I'm finding things work better on Pop OS (GTA IV doesn't crash when changing multiple graphics options like on Windows, and GTA IV and 2013's Tomb Raider both get better frame rates) than Windows.
This is all particularly notable because I didn't go in as some Linux expert touting the superiority of it (I chose Pop OS because I'm a noob, and it's easy to use), and fully expected to have all sorts of issues. My biggest complaint is that I should have set my dual boot partition for Pop OS way bigger because I barely need to use Windows anymore! My absolute #1 annoying niche issue that I can't figure out is that the VPN I need to use to remote into my work 1) will work on Windows, 2) DID work on Pop OS when connected to my phone's data but not my home wifi (???), 3) no longer works on either my phones data or wifi. Gaming though, has been a cakewalk, you should give it a go. Install proton, maybe grab a glorious eggroll, and you're set, they're support for NVIDIA cards make it equally pain free (across the 3 systems I mentioned we're gaming on Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA gpus, and all are equally pain free).
Even controllers are no problem, but I haven't messed around much with my wheel, or VR headset though, so we'll so how that goes.
That said I have no experience with any of it as game pass sounds very unappealing to me as someone who prefers to own her games and not buy subscription services
Sorry I meant steam link is launched on quest. So you can connect wireless with the quest headsets. At least on Windows, not sure how well that works on Linux.
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People don't seriously try to use Kali as a daily driver, do they? That's just a meme, right? Right?
there was a point where script kiddies thought using Kali meant installing Kali, so at one point yes it has been used as a daily driver.
I remember having a conversation with a coworker who was getting into Linux when Kali was a big deal for script kiddies. He told me he installed it and I was like "dude you want it to be a read only OS, don't install it. Just boot to it from a CD or USB." We went back and forth on that for weeks until I just gave up and labeled him an idiot in my mind.
I put it on a dual boot laptop once because the laptop was to shitty to run to a proper VM and I wanted to get updates at a few different points in time. Intel Core 2 Dou and Windows XP as the other OS. It was more of a project laptop than a daily driver though.
Was windows XP the current windows generation or did you pick it for some other reason? I assume it'll run easier on weak hardware, and until just now never thought about putting it on my laptop as a dual boot for those moments you actually need windows.
It was around the time Windows 7 was out but XP was still supported by Microsoft.
When I was a kid I installed it and was like "hooHOO, me hacker", so there are silly things like that.
Nevermind me being too intimidated by CLI to do anything in Linux at the time lmfao.
It's been a while since I've thought about it, so what are the reasons why it's a bad daily driver? I assume there's poor support for drivers, hardware, etc.?
Or is it when you do pen testing you don't want to leave traces of yourself? I'm not a cybersecurity guy, so I genuinely don't know.
Don't need to go any further than "default user is root."
Oh yikes LOL.
I understand why Kali needs that for Kali things but hoo boy.
Thanks for succinctly explaining.
Hasn't been the case anymore for quite some time, even though I think it has quite generous sudo rules. But yes, it's not meant to be your main OS but instead more like a toolbox you use in liveboot/VM/etc.
I've had this conversation with lots of first time Linux users. They think that Kali is the most hardcore hacker OS and that's what they need to run for a introduction to security course.
Actually, Garuda Linux is really easy to use
I agree; that's what I use on my main PC. Not sure what that has to do with Kali though.
Fixed
Hannah Montana 5 eva.
Die, heathen!
I use TempleOS btw.
TempleOS doesn't have network support. How can you post this without betraying your own OS?
They write out TCP/IP packets by hand, fold them into paper airplanes and throw them at the nearest ISP.
Fake news!!1!!1!
Those are UDP packets.
From the FAQ of the site & its legendary navbar:
What the fuck the do you have a life question is so offensive! Stop trying to just be edgy in memes!
I'm so sick of these stupid stereotypes that the Linux community has. I'll have you know that I use both Debian and Fedora and I do not in fact have a life.
Replace kali with nixos, and it'd be accurate 😁 Also, gentoo.
And Kali is more like "are you older than 13 → no"
Gentoo:
why are there 10 tuxes at the top of the screen
At least 10 hardware threads
Kali is pretty much debian with extra toppings
Debian with metasploit pre-installed and some fancy shell presets
also that random github python script you will randomly need lol
Do you fear god?
Yes: TempleOS
No: Hannah Montana Linux
Blasphemy. Hannah Montana is a god.
I thought Alanis Morissette was god....
I do like privacy, but I also have a VR headset so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ windows it is
not sure why this is getting downvoted, this has happened before and even happens on Apple devices where they just re-enable privacy settings you disabled or whatever else the fuck they want like, idk, bluetooth.
also Microsoft "may" block you from updating your system if its unable to reinstall edge like holy shite
That explains why I can’t update Windows, then.
Apple reenabled what settings?
"Significant Locations" and "iPhone Analytics"
also like I said Apple devices likes to randomly re-enable bluetooth or other system settings for some reason
https://www.techradar.com/phones/ios/ios-17-is-resetting-some-users-privacy-settings-and-apple-is-looking-into-it
not the first time they did something anti-consumer via a system update
https://www.ifixit.com/News/9472/ios-update-slows-iphone
this is why I hate both Microsoft and Apple
The last article I get but the analytics being reenabled was a bug right? I say this as someone who has done every manner of transfer, upgrade and OS update possible on all manner of Apple devices…my settings have never been changed.
One thing they did do recently maybe is flip the checkboxes for analytics to be automatically enabled when they’ve had it opt in for like a decade. Definitely not happy about that.
Bluetooth and WiFi never turns back on unless you’re doing it from the control center…in which case it doesn’t really turn off so much as disconnect you from your current AP and put Bluetooth in low energy mode.
If I’m wrong I want to know. I recently went nuclear on Microsoft’s privacy team for constantly emailing me promotions despite being unsubscribed to everything. I’m on a list now where even if I do sign up for a newsletter, I won’t receive it lol.
/edit Jesus what the fuck. My settings got reset! Thanks for the heads up…wtf is this shit??
Interesting. still annoying tho especially with the whole Flipper Zero shenanigans.
ehhh? I have no idea how a bug like that happens, it could be my paranoia watching these huge companies play with their consumers that way to not believe it was a bug, but if you read the whole article that "bug" didn't happen to everyone's iPhone and Apple responded saying they were "investigating" the issue but never really commented on it afterwards.
is that even legal??
Tbh, the amount of users uninstalling edge is so miniscule, it would not be worth it to mess with them by blocking updates.
This probably comes from the way Edge is integrated into a fuckton of background processes and wasn't a targeted attack.
Yeah I have all my tracking disabled
Linux was actually created by sentient AI so that when the day comes they can control all computers with bash scripts instead of those pesky GUIs.
While this is just a meme, I heard of it happening somewhere so I'm not sure if it's just a meme.
I've seen this happen on multiple PCs and laptops.
Is there a reason vr doesn't work on Linux?
Steam just made a big step forward with steam link, but previously the headset manufacturers were releasing Windows only link software.
Also there are now open source solutions like ALVR.... But like most FOSS it can require some know how.
(Or maybe he meant Meta is getting all his data anyways, why be picky)
The Valve Index technically has Linux drivers but they're kind of buggy and difficult to troubleshoot
You're right. Steam link exists for Linux but doesn't connect to the new VR app. I agree valve likely has every intention of tapping this market soon though
She doesn't have a quest actually, I have a hp reverb g2, which connects to steam vr through the windows MR software. So no matter how compatible stream vr gets with Linux I still need to have the wmr stuff available.
Also I have a phone, so yeah everyone does have all my data despite my best efforts.
I do like privacy, but I'm lazy.
You can easily debloat Windows with shutup10.
Why are both Debian and Debian: Kidz Edition on there?
Some people have kids, I guess.
Am I stupid. Most Linux users I know are more paranoid about tech than anyone else
The difference between paranoia and fear is the difference between not wanting to buy a Google Home because it listens to you and not wanting to buy a Google Home because you're afraid you'll break it.
That is actually a great metaphore. I always just used:
It's like me not wanting to use google photos because they scan your photos to train algorithms vs my mom not wanting to use google photos because she is afraid all of her photos will get deleted.
This is the comment I was looking for. I am very paranoid of technology and live in a constant fear of 0-day exploits and encryption backdoors.
I have been using the same Arch installation for about 8 years. The initial installation/configuration is the only time consuming part. Actual day-to-day usage is extremely easy.
Maybe this is no longer the case but I previously used Ubuntu and it was actually much more annoying in comparison, especially when upgrading between major revisions or needing to track down sources/PPAs for packages not in the main repos. Or just when you want something more up-to-date than what they're currently shipping.
The rolling release model + the AUR saves so much time and prevents a lot of headaches.
You may have just sold me on Arch.
I have never been able to hold down an Ubuntu install for very long without getting that dreaded
you have held broken packagesscold.Yeah, I love Arch for the same reasons. Try installing it in a VM and using it a bit, and you'll see that it's quite an easy OS to use now.
You can follow the wiki guide and really have a solid systems that is just yours. That will take some time and can be a little frustrating.
Or use the installer script they have included for a year or more now and get to a working desktop in 20-30 minutes.
But if you feel the need to trim down the scripted version, you can make it just a strong as the step-by-step install in a few hours.
I have used the same step-by-step based on the wiki install since 2016, on my daily driver laptop
Same Gentoo installation for last 5 years.
Here's BTWOS for you:
Oh god yeah that's the fate of snap and flat pack.
Install OBS studio, current version has some issues oh look there's a flat pack install the flat pack instead. OBS runs great. Oh, I need some plugins Go to install the plugins, The plugins folder isn't where it belongs. I scrape along and find the plugins folder I try to shove them in there doesn't work. Oh I need to find the flat pack installer for the plugin.... But half the s*** I want isn't available.
I truly appreciate them trying to make things more universal and easier. But it's a fine line we're walking between easy but unconfigurable and non-standard complicated but flexible.
Worth noting, this meme is from the time before Arch had an easy installer. So that's probably what it's referring to. I joined Linux almost 4 years ago, and this meme already existed then. I dunno how old it really is.
This sounds like my Ubuntu xp as well. Although I haven't had the arch xp to compare it against which makes me slightly hesitant to jump in.
I'm pretty tempted to revamp my old laptop to arch though. Just needs funds for enough personal storage first.
I totally get that
reminds me of what happens when developing software and using “no code” tools. Fragile and inflexible but if you meet the exact use case in the exact way it’s an instant win
I don't get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine --- they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom --- tmux, htop, nload, lolcats.....most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.
I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it...but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.
Virtually non-repairable hardware I'm especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.
Expensive as hell.
Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can't get OS updates anymore then you can't have xcode versions updates anymore.
They're pretty, They have great battery life, and they're *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.
Wait, what's up with the escape key? I don't know much about macs
When they added that stupid touch bar they removed the physical esc key. They brought it back in later models
I assumed that's the only thing it could mean but literally could not believe anyone would decide to remove the fucking escape key of all things... WTF
What's wrong with homebrew?
Other people's software is great, what was asked is why the Apple hate.
Apple doesn't provide Homebrew, Apple updates *in the past have occasionally broken it horribly. (Looking at you El Capitan)
But while we are taking a look at home brew, If you need a specific version of something you are occasionally up a creek. It's been a hot few years since I was daily driving OSX *as my primary, but when I needed a certain version of memcache or a certain version of netcat for a feature, It just wasn't there and then compiling it for the OS was a far bigger pain in the ass than it is on any Linux distro.
Homebrew might as well be default.
That makes about as much sense as saying that pip, gem, npm, cargo, or nix should called be the default package manager on Mac OS...
The default package manager is the default because it manages the system's software. RPM, Deb/apt, pacman, etc. Homebrew is like pip or docker or cargo or snap or whatever else. You can set it up if you'd like but it's certainly not a default. (Though I'm not trying to dispute that it's good 😊)
Mac OS doesn't have a good default package management solution (though they would if they just opened up the app store and added a CLI). It's ok to admit it, and say that third party folks (who Apple does not support unless I'm missing something) are powering a pretty good third party experience. If only Apple cared about people who wanted a truly free an customizable computer, they could make a great OS :)
Homebrew is fairly different from pip, cargo or npm in that only python developers use pip, only rust developers use cargo, etc. And those are mostly used to manage libraries, rather than executables.
Meanwhile, essentially everyone who uses the console uses homebrew regardless of what programming languages they might or might not use. I was making a joke about how good, useful and basically required homebrew is.
EOL support. I have a 11-12 year old System76 laptop. Works perfectly on the latest Ubuntu version.
Their shitty walled garden for both software (iOS) and hardware (soldered components that don't need to be).
Overpriced.
Fake sense of privacy.
I used Mac OS 6.x through 10.4. When I was in college and couldn't afford to replace my aging G4, I triple booted Fedora, Mac OS X, and Windows on a hackintosh where I gravitated towards mostly Linux and Windows for a couple games. Owned a couple iPhones but decided to role Android when the nexus 6 came out to save some money when I had my first child on the way and my current phone was dying.
I don't miss anything I left behind. Had a short stint at work during COVID where I was given a MacBook. While not horrible, I ran into enough nuances I was able to justify to my work using a Linux laptop instead. I just don't find anything appealing to give them my business.
Apple is an awful company that screws thee customers over every chance they get
Because they didn't like that bash was GPL
Because they are asshats
But really, because of the licenses. Bash went to gpl3.
Stallman on why free software is important.
Agreed. Macs are perfectly fine and capable UNIX machines, really the only problem with them is the price. And yes I get that some people aren't fans of the UI but it requires no more of a learning curve than, say, GNOME.
But whatever. I'm not even offended by this meme, it's actually rather factual on the whole, which can't be said for everything posted in this group.
Mac is proprietary bullshit that's why. It's fine for work usage. At home I want to support FOSS.
Also MacBooks are a ripoff. You get 6-8 years of support and then all updates stop. Not worth it when Linux support is indefinite, and even Windows gets you 10+ years.
Apple gets hate from everyone. Windows users, *nix users; doesn't matter. The only ones who don't hate apple are clowns. Are you a clown?
read fedora as facebook and then just imagined facebook putting out a facebook distro
Zuck Linux - would make canonical look like saints
I mean, Microsoft also has their Linux distro, sort of: https://github.com/microsoft/CBL-Mariner
When you want to use Linux but miss the invase data collection of windows
Ubuntu shouldn't be with those who care about privacy. Snap is completely integrated into Ubuntu now.
https://ubuntu.com/legal/data-privacy/snap-store
They're going to be just as bad as Apple, Google or Microsoft if they're given the market share. Corporations care only about one thing.
And they have a shocking share of the server market despite the existence of Debian. Unfortunate.
Accurate for a Linux meme, yes.
Accurate in real life? No.
Thank you! So I CARE about my privacy, so ChromeOS is on the table!?
Hey I'm on Ubuntu because I'm lazy, not because I have a life
I fear technology, but in the "Technology will destroy us all unless we get a really good handle on it" kind of way. I use debian.
No, not accurate. NixOS isn't anywhere in there
This is a very old meme. NixOS wasn't popular then (or didn't exist, I dunno).
Nix is like 20 years old, wasn't popular and still isn't 😅
Okay, but until like this last year I'd barely see mentions of it, but now it's kinda everywhere.
Yeah I use nix 😅
I think the idea of a (relatively) simple or as complex "roll your own flavour" OS makes lots of sense to someone like me. For most people the effort might not be worth the payout.
i get that, it's a preference thing
Please describe "having a life".
I wasn't asking about gender roles.
Maybe you should get a life if a someone else’s personal choice for elected gender role pisses you off this bad.
As a demifluid bisexual, can confirm. It's a lot of fun.
You know, when I'm not being relentlessly harassed just for existing 🤷🏻♀️
I don't hate gays. I could kiss u. But damn I hate pink socks on a grown ass man.
unironically yes, except instead of a lenovo thinkpad it's a lenovo legion
I don't understand why Windows is on the "no" side of "do you fear technology?"
Well, the other side would be operating systems you can't really screw up too badly because they are locked down harder, so perhaps it's fear of the unknown?
definitely this
people buy macs for macos or Chromebooks for chrome os because "windows just sucks because it breaks all the time" mentality you always see on Twitter
Or in the office, the hardware-software relations between the laptop and Windows and in some parts Linux are strained at best, where drivers, power management, and so on get crappy. E.g. after a year or two of updates, it gets out of control and nice things like hibernations don't work. It's usually a driver for some small thing you don't care about that forgot to read the Windows specification change and now it can't do that power handling in a good way. Oops the computer refuses to sleep and your bag is burning, your battery is 1% when picking the computer up again.
I completely understand that with windows, especially with hibernation like what the fuck is "windows modern standby"
but with Linux, it depends on the distro you use.
if you're using something such as Pop_OS, I can pretty much guarantee you you're never going to run into a power management issue or even a driver issue for that matter since its based off of Ubuntu and is very well supported.
There are way more windows power users than mac power users
I'm not sure, many developers use mac to get working unix tools and working "enterprise" tools at work like Teams and other crap that the company uses for "everyone". Sadly many of these tools work like crap on Linux and maybe in best case the web-version is workable.
You're confusing developers with power users here. At my company, the developers can do one thing well, but are far, far from power users with any technology. The amount of times I've seen them get stuck at a simple error message without doing more than throwing their hands up thinking they don't have permissions or something is actually broken, without doing the least bit of troubleshooting is both baffling and frustrating.
I'd give up half of my salary to use windows instead of macos for my dev work.
I've seen plenty shit stacks on macos tbf. Windows has better window management which saves a lot of time when you're juggling between seperate windows.
i’m gonna get crucified for giving apple a single benefit of a doubt but i think there are just as many windows users who “fear technology” as mac ones. think of all the grandparents running shitty dollar store pcs. mac is only a walled sandbox until you turn off the safeguards, then you can see exactly as much dumb back-end shit as you can on windows
I think this is sdvice on what you should do, not what people actually do. This would be why there is such a big industry for windows tech support. Tldr: Windows: Be afraid, very afraid.
My arch install took some setup to get it specifically right for me, still trying to figure out the final touches. I have the entire thing encrypted and under btrfs sub-partitions. I set up secure boot as well and added it to my tpm. Last thing I got to do is set it up so it automatically decrypts on boot without a password. I've been liking this setup over my Fedora setup. I have to worry about smaller breakage every so often, but with Fedora I had to worry about big breakage every major version. Moving most of what I can to flatpak mitigated a lot of that though. I'm too lazy to replicate my arch setup on my laptop so that's just sticking with Fedora until I decide it should run something else.
Sorry if this is a stupid question, and maybe it's because I'm not understanding exactly what you're saying, but what's the benefit of encrypting if it decrypts on boot without a password?
Just to prevent someone who boots another OS on your device from being able to access your files? Something else?
Because changing any hardware will flip the tpm and require a password. If they stole the hard drive, it'd be encrypted. Basically I'm protecting on if they rip out the harddrive lol.
Okay what is the Tux Jigsaw Puzzle one?
Also Gentoo?
Linux from scratch, a subdivision of really having nothing else to do
Wait, I thought LFS was long dead (as a project). Maybe I'm thinking of DSL though. Off to teh googles...
What is this? I'm going to be lazy and not search for it because DSL already has multiple meanings which overlap with Linux
Damn Small Linux, and DSL is dead. LFS lives on though.
Thanks for clarifying
Tux Jigsaw is "Linux from Scratch." It's not really a distro, but rather a guide that walks you through configuring an entire Linux distro from the ground up.
Gentoo is a distro focused on compiling pretty much everything from source locally.
Yeah, honestly you can replace Arch with Gentoo. Arch is for when you don't have a life for an afternoon or two while you're getting set up. After that it's smooth.
The Gentoo forums were a great help when I mained Gentoo. It's been years, needed windows to play WoW to avoid the bans at the time.
Anyway yeah it was fun trying to figure out why it broke or what portage dependency blew up.
What if you don't fear technology, have no life, and are technologically behind and don't understand what anything but the apple and windows symbols are? I recognize the penguin from an EEE PC that I had like 15 years ago, but that's it.
*Sorry I also recognize Google, just not immediately apparently.
Gotta ask the grandkids for help
The worst part is I'm not old enough for grandkids lmao.
In that case, I guess it's time to get educated about Linux. At least to the point, where you understand, that what I'm referring to, should actually be called "GNU/Linux".
*"I recognize Google" is also not Google itself, but specifically the Chrome Logo that refers to Chrome OS in this case.
You’re a human with the knowledge of a time lord! You know more than you let on don’t you.
They’re distributions that add onto an open source set of softwares - including a kernel and common utilities - that can be made into a fully fledged operating system.
Together the family of OSes are referred to as Linux systems since the kernel (the main bit of an OS) is called Linux.
Oooh I don't want to spoil new episodes for anyone so I can't actually respond to the Time Lord knowledge bit, but I feel like I recognized some of the words you used lmao.
Oh the 60th specials are so much fun aren’t they? I can’t wait for the last one!
I am loving the specials and I am so glad to have "my" Doctor and companion back, if only for a short time.
RTD has really captured the magic of the original run. My doctor was Matt smith but David tenant is just so wholesome!
He really is, so is his wife. And he slays every role he plays. I rarely miss an opportunity to catch him on screen.
And I am so glad RTD is back! Moffat was fun and all, but both he and Chibnall were better at the short stories that could be told in an episode or two.
Have you seen the giggle yet? What do you think of the twist at the end?
archinstallI’m the only person who fails 2/3 times, once it didn’t encrypt, the second didn’t install nvidia drivers
It isn't just you, it failed on me enough times that I'll never touch it again. I either manually install raw Arch, or use EndeavourOS instead for a "lazy" install.
Open a Bug Report
That's why I ended up installing ArcoLinux on my ThinkPad: it uses Calamares.
I actually switched to openSUSE Tumbleweed from Ubuntu and love it. I know it's not as popular, but I can't see why. Rolling release, compatibility, support, it's awesome!
Tumbleweed gang rise up!
You can still run Arch & have a life. Arch actually just works if you use it correctly....
Never had this problem, but I can see why someone probably could....
|>be me, 4 chinner
|>can't use Linux but wanna Seem cool
|>make fake and gay shit post about driver not |Working to justify using Windows
|>jerking it in the The shower while crying l8ter that day day
|>KEK lul
|>normies Suck don't they?
Someone's salty their PC doesn't run Windows 11
::: spoiler average Windows 11 user |>be me, have no friends Boot up my terrible Windows 11 (KEK lul)
|>decide to join federated social media instead oft 4chan because 4chan keeps calling me a snowflake
|>See Chad with too many bitches and great takes
|>jealous.jpg
|>idea.exe
|>decide to insult him in hopes of getting topped and bullied because im into it
|>Chad Sees through me and still obliges
|>orgasm and thank Chad mentally :::
You've been training this skill of writing greentexts, it's very impressive.
Disclaimer: this is not a compliment
::: spoiler just you |>be me (KEK lol),Engage with what is clearly a chad troll to geht my rocks of
|>get trolled because im absolutely incomparably unintelligent (kekek Windows 11)
|>get mad for getting called out (even though it actually turns me in because im a masochist)
|>take bait(lads and gentlewomen we got em kekekekekek)
|>mfw
|>take the copium anon the Internet isn't for smegma simp normies like you :::
Just looked at your comment history and its just sad =(
Wish I could say the same, but it was completely unreadable with all the spelling mistakes =(
I mean the projector set up is probably using some ungodly proprietary wireless Protocol that only works on Windows 10.
Isn't it just a display you attach via VGA/HDMI/whatever?
Last projector I used had scart/rca lol
I run Debian on my work laptops, and Arch on my gaming rig. They are absolutely equal in terms of time sink, and it's not that bad at all.
Can totally agree. Debian & Arch are totally equal in terms of stability. Any Linux os can be unstable, it really all depends on how the user uses it....
Yeah, if it's unstable, they're probably holding it wrong
By Arch, do you use SteamOS on your gaming rig? And if not, what would be the determining factor?
I'll give SteamOS a shot when I get my Steamdeck. Until then, it's just vanilla Arch on my main machine until I've seen what it's like.
I miss gentoo in your diagram
They think Kali(Debian Based) is harder than Gentoo I guess….. I miss seeing Slackware on these lists too
Here:
"Are you bookhorse?" -> "Yes"
I guess it would have to be the third option after yes and no.
If by daddy you mean business daddy, then yes, business daddies are usually rich.
My business daddy pays for my Apple machine and it's great for ssh-ing into various cloud-based Linux boxes.
No Mint?
Green Ubuntu
Mint was just some protest distro against gnome shell or whatever window manager Ubuntu promoted at the time. 10 years Iater I use Ubuntu with gnome
That’s how it started, but now it’s the one that does everything Ubuntu claims to better and with more long-term stability.
It might be getting a second wind now as an escape from Wayland/NVIDIA and death by a thousand snaps. That was why I switched a few months ago; all I wanted was to play ETS2 on my old laptop, dangit.
carnivore btw
I had a brief expedition into game development recently and ended up using Unreal Engine, I eventually gave up on Unreal -- but I do plan on checking out Godot. Although, I eventually go home sick for Linux (my computer isn't powerful enough to run a Windows VM with a game engine; please spare me), and ended up wanting a "it just works™" setup. So, logically, I try Fedora. Although, the installer just wouldn't boot, not on a USB, not on Ventoy, nothing. Just a cold dark screen with a solid underline cursor. I also tried OpenSUSE at one point, but there's some bad blood between me and that distro so I think I gave up at the installer. Anyway, I ended up installing Arch Linux, and would you look at that, the installer launches!
TL;DR: Arch Linux might take more time to get setup to your liking, but once you get it there, it it just works™.
PS: I have very much non-free hardware, this could be part of it -- and it made installing Artix Linux with hardware encryption very difficult that one time. :/
Edit: PPS: I'm not trying to say "don't use Fedora or OpenSUSE," use what you want. This is my experience.
Do you have an life should exclusively just say NO
I’ve used most of these with the exception of ChromeOS and the “not having a life” category. I’d say it’s fairly accurate.
I have used almost all of them and ChromeOS is my daily driver.
Can manjaro be "no life but want it to work"
from what ive heard its easier to break manjaro than arch (or at least a well installed arch)
I must have installed mine like shit then lol
ive been using arch for a couple of months and the only thing that has broken is the timezone
i have tried using the same command to set the time as i did when i first installed (it worked) but now it just wont changev. if anyone wants to help, id be pleased :]
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/System_time#Time_zone
What does
realpath /etc/localtimesay?'realpath /etc/localtime' says "/etc/localtime"
Weird and what's in it?
Open with a text editor or execute
cat /etc/localtimei tried using the wiki to fix it and now it has the correct timezone. realpath answers "/usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Sao_Paulo"
though the xfce time still shows that the pc time is 16 minutes late. date command does the same. (exemple: phone shows 15:16, which is the actual time, while pc shows 15:00)
though i dont live in sao paulo, it is just a little north of here and should be in the same timezone. also, when i installed the OS with that timezone, it showed the correct time.
Manjaro can be "never heard of EndeavourOS"
Tried what after 3 years of what?
After 3 years of what?
I am gonna go against the circlejerk here and publicly admit that I have a macbook pro, daddy aint rich either, I wanted something that would last and works well, it's both environmental and ux based decision for me, so it was either macbook or framework, since framework doesn't sell in my country It's an easy decision.
Also it's an os most people want it to just work, one of the main reasons why iOS and MacOs are popular, until there is a linux flavor like mac is made and then it's distributed as the default os, the year of the linux desktop will never come
System76.com has laptops like that imo
I would say pop os is more for ppl with a life than debian
Or Open "it just works" SuSE.
I'd swap Ubuntu with Mint and Kali with something else tbh but aside from that fairly accurate
You mean "green Ubuntu"?
Good Ubuntu*
I'd disown that mother. He ain't treating my boy right.
gr-Ubuntu or Grubuntu.
It’s Ubuntu but you have to reinstall Grub every session
I use arch BTW
where mint
Green ubuntu
what's Ubuntu?
Orange mint
im fine with that
Just install Pop OS.
i use arch and i have life so this is not accurate
Looks like I had the right distro until it spammed my root partition with snaps and suffocated itself.
Back to Spyware
lol :D
I don't see Gentoo, Slackware and Void there. Also Arch is an irrelevant distribution among us folks without life. It should be on the left, maybe after the "are you trying to look like a hackerman" question.
"Is compiling packages for days your favorite activity?" -> Gentoo
"Do you believe an OS can turn you into a hacker?" -> Kali
Yes, if not that, I'd probably use it. Everything is very nice except for that need to plan for installing software.
Kali - well, I've actually met one such person and he later stopped being stupid and got into something hardware-related. I've been a person believing that Gentoo or Slackware can turn one into a good sysadmin for a few years.
just don't use the internet.
You only have to use one of seemingly several methods to make the offline account option appear based on what specific version installer you have, no to Cortana but wait for her subtitles to finish in time with her audio anyway, individually untick every data collection option which each take up the whole screen with the toggle and next button being just far apart enough for it to be annoying plus the slow fade transition, realize you actually need the enterprise edition to set telemetry to 0 using group policy editor which isn't available otherwise, have a vaguely different installation for that, find out that some functionality isn't available like Ms store and some other stuff on enterprise which requires PowerShell to add it in if needed. Then possibly some random app to block select domains, with exceptions for the ones that make xbox, the Ms support sites, and ms software not work when disabled if needed. and/or pihole/unbound/Adguard if you have the means of setting it up. Then have random software not work for unknown reasons but you know deep down it's the non standard installation of windows.
or just flash a USB with Mint, reboot from that USB, click install Mint, select erase disk and wait 15 minutes
IKR, or pretty much any distro even some of the 'advanced' ones with some caveats.
I just had to do up a dual boot with windows for someone who works with people that use a windows only software that currently can't be wine'd, and was appalled at how awful the install procedure has become since everything after 7 really. The enterprise and not pro features that are actually desirable for privacy minded people that aren't experts in networking hardware and software was a huge let down too. Well assuming M$ isn't just blatantly lying about config options anyway.
Yes, by removing all internet connectivity and updates.
Yes+: Hulk smash.
Do you use your pc for games? -> Windows.
Simple as that.
Honestly gaming hasn't been a problem for me on Linux. It is a bit more work in some games to get them up and running, but windows 11 started waking up without any reason so I abandoned it and think the extra work is worth it.
But I understand why someone wouldn't want to go through it.
I think it is because there is a setting about faster wakeup from sleep or something. I think it also keeps the wifi connected or awake on laptops.
No I checked before I went to Linux. There was no obvious reason anywhere and nothing in the logs. It just decided to wake up every afternoon. Whatever, I'm done with the OS.
You are on Linux, obviously that fixed your problem. But yeah, the setting for faster wakeup from sleep is hidden somewhere, and Microsoft does not want that to be toggled off and may even ignore it, lol
Windows keeps the computer awake and does not do sleep like it used to anymore. S3 sleep, that is. Keeps wifi connected and all that jazz. Battery drain is significantly worse now.
https://www.protondb.com/
Not perfect but Linux is getting there! Certainly much better than before.
Only if you play CoD, Fortnite, or Destiny 2. If you're technically inclined and don't mind working around some issues, gaming on Linux has come a long way and can be used for pretty much anything else. I used to dual-boot Windows for games, then I went to booting Windows in a VM and gaming with a spare, passed-through GPU. But I haven't booted my VM in months, and I play lots of games.
See, that's the thing: I very much mind "working around some issues" in gaming and in gaming alone. I'm as much of a tinkerer when it comes to software as the next guy, but now with a child and all of those pesky responsibilities that slowly pile up as you age, gaming time is
a) scarce and
b) the only real "wind down" time I get
I have time for other things that make me happy mind you, but gaming time needs to be different you cannot dive into an RPG and do subtle story Sidequests and whatnot if you can't dive into the game fully, switch off everything else for a time. Whenever I can do that, any "small issue" I'd need to work around would make me MAD.
Gaming is the one thing where I don't want the super customizable OS that works exactly as I want that I can get with Linux. I want to press play and be taken to a place where peasants will task any random stranger to bring their child somewhere and any Lord will entrust his kingdom into some random dipshit he just.met.
And not wanting to do that makes perfect sense. I don't really want to either, of course, but I've decided that if I as a person who can do it actually switch to Linux that must mean that some others of similar minds are going to do it as well.
When it reaches critical mass it'll just become easier and easier. It already is much easier than it has been, but not having time is a totally valid reason not to do it yet.
I hear you and mostly agree.
But at least for my personal experience the kinds of issues I encounter gaming on Linux are typically less frustrating than the ones I encountered gaming in Windows.
To pretend that either experience is pain-free would be dishonest but I've had less difficulties since switching fully to Linux and actually seen a noticeable improvement in performance on many games as well.
I think in reality if stability and never having to "fix" issues or bugs is your biggest concern you are probably more suited to console gaming
So my options are install OS, install GPU drivers, install games, and then play games, or install OS, read 50 different guides, fight iommu or some other configuration, eventually get it working enough to install another OS in a VM, fight getting that performing well, install games, and then play games with potential for worse performance.
I love Linux, but claiming these two things are comparable is ridiculous. I work with Linux all day at work, I don't want to work with it at home when I just want to relax.
The point I'm making is that you don't have to read 50+ guides anymore. Install a distro with a good gaming track record (Nobara, Garuda, Pop_OS, Bazzite) and play games. Linux gaming has come a long way.
That said, I understand where you're coming from. I'm just trying to say it's easier now than it's ever been before.
Personally I just installed PopOS and Lutris+Steam and everything works fine.
I made the switch to daily driving Linux on my laptop for work and play a few months back with a dual boot setup with Windows, and changed over mine and my partner's gaming desktops to do the same, and they recently got a Steam Deck OLED as well. Honestly I can't say this is true. It depends on the distro, but I went with Pop OS, and it has been ridiculously pain free to game on. I play a large variety of weird, old, indie games, and I've encountered a single game that didn't work on Pop OS that I needed to play on Windows (WRC 4) and that particular game BARELY worked on Windows as well and took lots of setting up and fixing. More often than not I'm finding things work better on Pop OS (GTA IV doesn't crash when changing multiple graphics options like on Windows, and GTA IV and 2013's Tomb Raider both get better frame rates) than Windows.
This is all particularly notable because I didn't go in as some Linux expert touting the superiority of it (I chose Pop OS because I'm a noob, and it's easy to use), and fully expected to have all sorts of issues. My biggest complaint is that I should have set my dual boot partition for Pop OS way bigger because I barely need to use Windows anymore! My absolute #1 annoying niche issue that I can't figure out is that the VPN I need to use to remote into my work 1) will work on Windows, 2) DID work on Pop OS when connected to my phone's data but not my home wifi (???), 3) no longer works on either my phones data or wifi. Gaming though, has been a cakewalk, you should give it a go. Install proton, maybe grab a glorious eggroll, and you're set, they're support for NVIDIA cards make it equally pain free (across the 3 systems I mentioned we're gaming on Intel, AMD, and NVIDIA gpus, and all are equally pain free).
Even controllers are no problem, but I haven't messed around much with my wheel, or VR headset though, so we'll so how that goes.
I use Garuda for a gaming pc with no problems
Is it possible to play games that are only available on Microsoft store or through Game Pass? Like Forza Horizon or Starfield?
I’m pretty sure stardield is available on steam
Also this looks available https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2022/11/microsoft-upgrades-xbox-cloud-gaming-for-linux-and-chromeos/
That said I have no experience with any of it as game pass sounds very unappealing to me as someone who prefers to own her games and not buy subscription services
Quest Link or Virtual Desktop for PCVR? Windows.
Wake me up when Linux can do that reliably
Now that steam link is launched and working well, it should be a good option?
Valve Index is $$$$
Sorry I meant steam link is launched on quest. So you can connect wireless with the quest headsets. At least on Windows, not sure how well that works on Linux.
It doesn't.
This community has a hard time accepting how little the average person is aware Linux exists let alone how few people consider it an option for gaming
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