I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don't know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
People need to remember that fallout isn't the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it's not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren't making Lord of the rings over here, it's not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They're keeping the aesthetic and design, so I'm happy. But so many people don't have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it's "unwatchable garbage". I've seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called "shit" these days.
What? It's almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any "top RPGs of all time" list and you're pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.
Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.
Those clickbait bot written posts have a bigger significance than your "No it's not lmao". I'm gonna side with the bots rather than some self-important contrarian.
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it's not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn't do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I'm cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
The thing with that series is that it’s not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on "who's the dragon? it's such a mystery!!" when that wasn't even a plot point of the first book. It's a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it's just a cop-out.
I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you've already admitted that it's bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I'm talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it's one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it's just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It's far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would've preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it's my favourite LOTR book.
No it isn't. It's terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn't even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn't be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien's works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth "round", so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn't make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it's so different that I don't even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn't like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin's are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it's terrible.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me.
But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so...
It's west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don't know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what's been written already
It's a very good setting for a show or mini series, but the way the IP's current owners have handled it so far gives me pause. Hopefully the writers will be competent enough to not resort to the "radiation and mutations are basically magic" writing that's been all too common with Bethesda.
I mean we already saw mutants (NOT Super Mutants or Centaurs) in the form of Chris Parnell's Overseer Cyclops in the trailer. The rest of the shots (especially the Yao Guai tearing up that Paladin) make me think it'll be more lore-accurate.
I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.
There's not enough wackiness in the trailer. Fallout has always had a thin veneer of grimdark with a whole hidden iceberg of goofy bullshit and it was amazing.
There are a lot of reasons to not judge it yet. First and foremost, the director/show runner has zero input on the trailer. That's all the marketing department, and the trailer is designed to get as many eyeballs as possible on the final product. Numerous examples exist of trailers which bared little resemblance to the movie/show/game/whatever.
Secondly, they buried the lead on the director. Jonathan Nolan did direct much of Westworld. But he also wrote a bunch of award winning films for his brother, Christopher Nolan. Movies like Memento, Interstellar, The Prestige, and Dark Knight. He's no slouch, and I'll reserve judgement until I see it.
J. Nolan also did "Person of Interest". It's a lesser-known show but it was very good.
It felt like a classic 80s show at first(the hero is a badass supported by an eccentric rich guy to help random people) but, without spoiling it, it takes a very interesting turn.
Scott was informed of some less than stellar French reviews of his film – French GQ called it “deeply clumsy” and “unintentionally funny” – to which Scott replied with the following solid gold banger: “The French don’t even like themselves.”
But don’t think that insulting an entire country is enough for Scott. Speaking to the Sunday Times’s Jonathan Dean last weekend, he also reserved some ire for historians, some of whom have suggested that Napoleon might not be the most rigorously accurate film ever made. Scott responded by addressing the entire historian community. “Excuse me, mate, were you there?” he raged. “No? Well, shut the fuck up then.”
I haven't found a place in my life for these types of TV series. Looks good though just prefer the complete arc of a movie or a mini-series.
Sets look kind of big budget artificial, soapy? Like that is some wicked blue dye on the suits, very fresh. Lovely hair and makeup. All good though I realize it's just not my thing. A cinematic 90 minute fallout movie laser focused on 2-3 character arcs would be exciting to me.
Fallout is not a masterpiece of story telling or cinematography. It was written by non writers mostly. It's not the godfather. It isn't going to be hard for professional writers to make it work better than the games, and clearly they're not fucking with the visual designs of the series.
If Howard is involved your can bet the show will be boring and cheesy as fuck.
I'm honestly shocked so many of you are giving this show a chance after the disaster of Fallout 76, Starfield's mediocrity + the weird ass review controversy. It's incredible how much loyalty a corp can command
I agree that their games have been shit for a while, I didn't even think F4 was good, and NV demonstrated that Bethesda shouldn't be the ones developing the series.
F3 was great at the time, but after playing NV, you can see that Bethesda is interested in creating a very railroaded experience (pun not intended).
However, I think a TV show might be fine, seeing as though the stories of Fallout haven't been bad; it has just been bad mechanically.
There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.
The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.
You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.
Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.
TV shows/movies based on games are usually just a cash grab that play on people’s love of the source materia
I really disagree on that. Most recent videogame adaptions have been pretty awesome: Arcane, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Last of Us, Castlevania. Sure there are some stinkers out there, but the quality really went up in the last years.
I'm kinda scared that the trailer was knee deep in "from the ____ who did _____ ."
Granted, it's a teaser trailer, but it would have been cool to see a little more of what this show has to offer. e.g. The Boyz is great, because the story adapted from it's source material was already interesting. I'd love to learn more about the story of this adaptation, esp since there's a lot they'd have to do to turn the non linear, choose your own adventure source material into a non-interactive story.
Feels like the showrunners and story writers would have the opposite challenge of, say, The Last of Us. There, it was all about retelling an existing story and resisting the urge to reinvent too much.
Here they'd need to pick one of many stories and fill in a bunch of gaps.
Even though each game is a player driven RPG, there's a canon "through line" of major events from 1 to 2 to New Vegas. 3 and 4 are set far enough away or in a different enough period of time that the plot impact is more minor.
Personally though, I hope this is less of an adaptation and more of a "side stories in the setting".
From what I've read about the series it's actually set 4 years after Fallout 4 events. So it's more "side stories in the setting" rather than straight up adaptation.
If it's an anthology series following different people in different parts of the world dealing with different scenarios then I'm waaay more on board from that than what they showed us in the trailer.
If you're a fallout fan, you're already on board. Our viewership is a given, and is theirs to lose. But for people who aren't big fans, having big names attached shows it's serious business. It's meant to convince people on the fence that it's worth an initial watch since there's money and names behind it so maybe it's not just "some dumb low budget video game shit."
I don't know. I've played every Fallout game (except tactics and that weird PS2/Xbox game) and it won't even be on my radar until word of mouth confirms it's good. The moment I saw Todd Howards name my interest plummeted. I'm happy that Bethesda has kept the franchise alive but Fallout 3 and 4 are a whole step below what Black isle/Obsidian created. If the show is going to be based on the Bethesda vision of Fallout then it's instantly going to be at odds with the fanbase.
Maybe it'll be good, maybe it won't. But after the 400+ hours I spent in fo4, I'm willing to commit to another hour to see if the first episode is any good. I've spent longer than that hunting for literal trash in-game. :)
Kind of a random though but do you think we will ever see shows done in a more connected way? I mean as of now, all the shows are always done in secret. Why not involve fans in the process? Publish videos from the set as you film and get feedback? Publish scripts, test footage and so on. Yes, the element of surprise would be lost but wouldn't it be nice to see how the show is made and they see the final product? And maybe even influence it a little bit? I would love something like that. What do you think?
Edit: interesting. Looks like only I would be interested in seeing how a show is made.
The only reason we watch shows is to get the story. Being spoiled ruins the whole idea of the show. Besides: Even though some showrunners miss the mark, most of the fans ideas of what might come instead are mostly terrible.
There's evidence that people like stuff just as much even if they know what's gonna happen, kind of like how placebos often work even if you tell the person.
Yeah, I don't know. In the age of remakes, reboots and huge franchises can we really say that we watch shows for the story? Is any of the Marvel movies about the story? You always now how it will end. If you read the script of Guardians of the Galaxy would it really spoil the movie? I think those movies are actually more about 'being involved'. Same as Star Trek or Star Wars. It's about following, being a fan. Story is the weakest part of those movies. It's all about CGI, action sequences and 'fan stuff' like callbacks, references and so on. I think showing what's happening on the green screen wouldn't actually spoil anything and would be really interesting to the fans.
And regarding fans ideas Sonic comes to mind. They released the trailer, fans complained and it got fixed.
But I not saying that all the shows should be made like this. For some (most?) I wouldn't work. I'm just saying... wouldn't it be interesting to see the entire process for a show like this?
No not really. There's a reason you hire experts to do a job and I for instance hates it if someone try's to explain to me, a designer, what a good design is...
Developers don’t use early access to get feedback on lore, world-building and visual aesthetic. They get feedback on gameplay balance and bugs. A movie/TV studio doesn’t have gameplay, it’s all visual. Apples to oranges comparison
Yes but aren't game developer experts on gameplay balance? Why would they listen to feedback from some amateurs? It's the same with movies. People who designed Sonic for the movie were also experts, right? Yet they listed to feedback.
I think part of why creators don't include fans in the process is to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit like "I said there should be a super-mutant/brotherhood of steel secret relationship, and they used my idea! I'm entitled to money!"
Idk where it looks great comes from, this looks like the Fallout 76 trailers. So focused on cheesey looking high budget CGI, the colors on the suits look too fresh and vibrant(imo), power armor CGI looks honestly too expressive- not like a hydraulic walking tank.
Edit: I just clicked the link, I think this is a different version of what I watched, this looks much better
Strange, I got the exact opposite feel from the teaser. If anything they nailed the tone of fallout in that 2 and a half minute spot. Plus the set design and costumes don't look cheap or fake. Im cautiously optimistic.
The vault costumes definitely looked cheap, more cosplay fan film than professional production in my opinion. And the cgi on the mechs was very uncanny valley
I mean fallout certainly has the world and stories to be turned into a series of movies or a tv show. I just hope they don't focus too much on the woke aspect and actually take advantage of the source material and storytelling
I'm against producers hamfisting woke ideals into content, like if the whole series was just shallow men=evil, women=strong, or every single character is non binary and points are constantly being made about it and things like that.
When it feels more like a circle jerk than just realities of the story, going out of its way to basically virtue signal removing focus from the actual interesting stories
I was never a fan of the Fallout games (just couldn't get into the setting for some reason), but this looks surprisingly good. I'll probably give this a watch. Hoping it's a better adaptation than The Last of Us was, as I love when a video game adaptation succeeds.
In my opinion, it very quickly became a generic zombie apocalypse survival story after a couple episodes. I thought the fungal angle to a zombie outbreak was a very interesting take, and I would've liked to see a bit more focus on that aspect of things. But they hardly showed off the zombies at all. It gave me TWD vibes for most of the episodes. And not the good "look at the flowers" vibes, but the "spend half of Season 2 walking up and down this small stretch of road looking for a girl who isn't there" vibes.
The cast were all fantastic, but I just wasn't that hooked with the storytelling, I guess.
I couldn’t disagree about genericness more. Also, the zombies have never been the central source of conflict for TLoU; they are just a plot device used as backdrop to flush out interpersonal and fundamentally human conflicts.
I don't want to give away too much if you haven't been playing Fallout since the very beginning but the NCR is not started until years after the first game when a person the vault dweller helps, organizes their village to become the New California Republic.
We don't know when this vault opens. It hasn't been mentioned in previous games so it might have opened and failed before anything else from series starts or it will take place many years later and we just haven't seen the NCR and the other factions in the teasers.
True so some time after the Arroyo incident, the brotherhood would have taken vertibird tech from the enclave after the chosen one took them down for the first time.
This assumes the writers for the show give two shits about the lore. They might only use the lore as set dressing for generic post apocalyptic trash.
I thought this trailer looked fantastic, I don't know what the rest of you all are smoking. As a fallout fan it was more than enough to get me excited for the series, also Walton Goggins as a ghoul chefs kiss.
People need to remember that fallout isn't the last of Us or god of war, fallout is a cool series with a cool world, but it's not a masterpiece of story telling and writing. These showrunners aren't making Lord of the rings over here, it's not gonna be hard to make a decent show based in an established world.
They're keeping the aesthetic and design, so I'm happy. But so many people don't have a nuanced opinion anymore, and a show is either a perfect 10 or it's "unwatchable garbage". I've seen and loved shows that I give a solid 8 to, but anything below a nine gets called "shit" these days.
I mean, New Vegas is known as one of the best written RPGs of all time. So.... there might be slightly higher than average expectations here.
It is not known.
No it's not lmao. It was good but it's far from anything like that
What? It's almost universally accepted that New Vegas is one of the greatest RPGs of all time. Go through any "top RPGs of all time" list and you're pretty much guaranteed to find New Vegas there, usually in the top half of the list.
Greatest action RPGs, perhaps. But even that has little bearing on TV show writing, since the important writing aspect of RPGs is the mass of options, not the actual writing itself.
Wow all the clickbait bot written top 10 list blogs put it in the top half!!!
Maybe broaden your horizon a bit. You're missing out.
Those clickbait bot written posts have a bigger significance than your "No it's not lmao". I'm gonna side with the bots rather than some self-important contrarian.
Ok. Enjoy your mediocrity. Ignorance is bliss after all.
Of course not, Lord of the Rings already exists.
We've had first Lord of the Rings, yes, but what about second Lord of the Rings?
I don't want to set the world on fire.
But I will if they fuck this up.
Where were you when we watched Rings of Power?
Where were you when we suffered Wheel of Time?
Ah, ok so I'm broken and don't have to worry.
I loved both those things.
Wheel of Time is not bad imo. At least not season 2. The thing with that series is that it's not possible to adapt every single thing from 14 books to 8 seasons with 8 episodes. I went into it as a new turn of the Wheel, and while the first season didn't do much for me, with the second one I can actually see the beginnings of something that can become really good. I'm cautiously optimistic about the coming seasons now.
Completely fair, but when they spend entire episodes on things that could have been easily and faithfully reduced to a 10 minute scene, or spent more than half of the first season on "who's the dragon? it's such a mystery!!" when that wasn't even a plot point of the first book. It's a fair argument, but not when they completely squandered their available screentime on frivolous things. At that point it's just a cop-out.
I get this was the approach of a lot of viewers, but when you have to do personal mental gymnastics to justify liking the way the adaptation was done, then you've already admitted that it's bad. And forget things like the order of events and such. I'm talking about radically changing the world rules, how the One Power works, and characters assassinations. Rand is supposed to be one of the most gentle and caring people alive. To the point that was slowly driving himself mad with trying to keep everyone safe and alive. The effort to do the right thing was breaking him inside and it's one of the major aspects of his character. And then in the show he murders a guy to get into the hospital where Logain was living. Nope, I have no interest. I have the books and I can enjoy those.
Rings of power was alright once you accepted it's just a completely different adaptation with no connection to the previous films. And is also not being true to the books to a T. It's far enough away from the events that I love in that world that I can separate it enough and still enjoy it.
I still would've preferred a more page by page adaptation of the Hobbit onwards though, especially the hobbit since it's my favourite LOTR book.
No it isn't. It's terribly written. The speech of Sauron to Galadriel was something a five year old wrote. Galadriel just jumped into the middle of the ocean? Also she took a pyroclastic blast right to the face and doesn't even have a scratch? Whereas other characters are fully blinded.
And all the changes, which each on their own might be forgivable, but there where just so many that it all added up to something off-feeling and weird. It would be like shifting each note in a Mozart piece by a little in different directions, and then listening to the whole thing wouldn't be pleasant. This is another one of those things where they made changes for sake of change or to fit a particular story/reveal they wanted to write. Tolkien's works were already a masterpiece, what was the benefit in changing it? At best it adds absolutely nothing to the final product itself, and at worse just makes the whole legendarium muddied and disjointed.
For example, when the show took place Aman was not cut off from Middle-Earth yet. Specifically because it was cut off after Sauron poisoned the hearts of the Numenoreans and convinced them to attack the Valar and invade Aman. As a punishment Eru Illuvitar sunk Numenor into the sea and made all of Middle-Earth "round", so that sailing west would just bring them back around to the other side of Middle-Earth. So to get to Aman after that required sailing through a special path that only the Elves knew about, which is what we see in the show. But before the sinking of Numenor, anyone could sail west to Aman. And, IIRC, in the show we actually see a glimpse of Aman in the distance of one of the Numenorean ships. They regularly would see the shores of Aman in the far distance and wonder about it.
So if Aman was only reachable by the secret path, why could the Numenoreans see it from their ships? But in either case, this is a huge change in the lore and order of events. It might not matter to the casual viewer, but to fans of Tolkien (the people who are the hype-men for these kinds of stories, and generally the reason shows like this ultimately get green-lit) it doesn't make sense and breaks the story.
You might want to re-read what I said cause I agree with a lot of that. Accepting it's so different that I don't even consider it a part of lord of the rings is what allowed me to enjoy my time watching it.
Sorry, I didn't mean to shoot you down or anything. I just really didn't like Rings of Power. There were things I did like, such as Durin and his wife (although all Durin's are supposed to be black-haired). But overall I think it's terrible.
I thought it looked pretty good.
That said, I thought the first few seconds right up until Dogmeat started eating the Radroach looked pretty mid. I got really psyched and excited when I saw the BoS power armor
Looks a bit cosplay-y, honestly.
But also I've never been into Bethesda Fallout, so I'm already not as much of a target for this one, I suppose.
That was my impression too. The costumes and CG seemed a bit goofy to me. But then again, so did the original Witcher trailer, and that ended-up looking mostly fine when I actually watched it, so...
shrugs
Yeah you’re right Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel is where I think this show should’ve taken its design notes from.
It's west coast fallout by Bethesda, and I really don't know how I expect them to handle the established material. I hope they do justice to what's been written already
I'm with you. I was excited once I saw the first look photos. They took a lot of care with costume and set design
Cautiously optimistic. Hopefully it's respectful to the source material.
It's a very good setting for a show or mini series, but the way the IP's current owners have handled it so far gives me pause. Hopefully the writers will be competent enough to not resort to the "radiation and mutations are basically magic" writing that's been all too common with Bethesda.
I mean we already saw mutants (NOT Super Mutants or Centaurs) in the form of Chris Parnell's Overseer Cyclops in the trailer. The rest of the shots (especially the Yao Guai tearing up that Paladin) make me think it'll be more lore-accurate.
I mean, the way Bethesda has taken Fallout, there's not much that could be ruined, just use a newish setting and go to town
I didn’t realize Jonathan Nolan was a showrunner. The first season of Westworld was brilliant. And Walton Goggins is good in everything. I’ll give it a shot.
Goggins is what got me on board too.
What the fuck man where the hell did this spring up from? This just started a flame in my heart.
I don't suppose in your heart you have but one desire?
Is that desire to light a flame in your heart instead of the whole world? You pyromaniac!
You can tell it's gonna be bad because they forgot to say "war never changes"
I bet you that this will be in the show and narrated by Ron Perlman.
And where are the TUNNEL SNAKES??? HMMMM???
We're the tunnel snakes
That's us
And we rule! Rule! R-r-r-r-rule!
https://www.tunnelsnakes.com/
In a tunnel?
Sweet! Well get a season or two and then they'll cancel it just like they do all the rest of the fan favorites.
That feels more like a Netflix move than an Amazon move.
An expanse tear runs down my cheek.
I'm not sure how that's meant? Expanse was saved by Amazon and allowed to have enough seasons to tell its story.
… you know it omitted the last three books, right?
The last three books are after a time skip and with a new set of main characters, right?
There's a 30-year time skip, but the characters are the same.
And ended in the middle of an arc too, iirc.
I don't want to get my hopes up, but I'm getting my hopes up.
My hopes have definitely gone up after seeing this trailer. I really hope they don't pull a Witcher.
How do you mod a TV show?
Don't worry, Toddyboy is on the case!
There's not enough wackiness in the trailer. Fallout has always had a thin veneer of grimdark with a whole hidden iceberg of goofy bullshit and it was amazing.
I'm getting huge "missing the point" vibes.
There are a lot of reasons to not judge it yet. First and foremost, the director/show runner has zero input on the trailer. That's all the marketing department, and the trailer is designed to get as many eyeballs as possible on the final product. Numerous examples exist of trailers which bared little resemblance to the movie/show/game/whatever.
Secondly, they buried the lead on the director. Jonathan Nolan did direct much of Westworld. But he also wrote a bunch of award winning films for his brother, Christopher Nolan. Movies like Memento, Interstellar, The Prestige, and Dark Knight. He's no slouch, and I'll reserve judgement until I see it.
To back you up, the first Doom Patrol trailers did little justice to how weird that show is.
J. Nolan also did "Person of Interest". It's a lesser-known show but it was very good.
It felt like a classic 80s show at first(the hero is a badass supported by an eccentric rich guy to help random people) but, without spoiling it, it takes a very interesting turn.
While i fully agree, a lot of people won't know what Fallout is, and they kinda have to set the basics first.
With that being said, I question whether Amazon can pull this off.
it's a trailer, it also has to get the normis
so the cyclops overseer drinking a moldy cup isnt wacky at all?
guess i will watch it. lets hope its not complete shit
the trailer looks great and really has that fallout spirit somewhere between funny, gruesome and batshit crazy.
Also great to see Walton Goggins in the cast, he's a great actor
I’m on a strict “don’t trust trailers” diet since seeing the new Napoleon film, so I’ll wait and see for this series.
What do you mean ? Is Napoleon shit; I haven't seen it yet?
Please 🙏 don't be shit
I haven't seen it yet, but one review said it was one of the most unintentionally funny movies of the year.
Also Ridley Scott is doing a hilarious press tour for it.
So your saying that its good but not historically accurate. I love history but I can enjoy historical fiction just as much.
I thought it was bad tbh
Didn’t like that it wasn’t historically accurate, but even looking past that it was just boring imo
I love Goggins, this is a perfect universe for his style honestly
He was fantastic in Righteous Gemstones.
Let's play Baby Billy's Bible Bonkers!
They're going to find a way to release the films with bugs and release a day one patch
I mean it can't be worse than the Halo show, at least this looks decent from the trailer.
Can guarantee it'll be better than getting mauled by a Deathclaw either way.
We don’t talk about that show
Honestly I can't wait to watch this. Consider me hyped!
Oh no... The time has come to shit all over two legendary games again... for the second time.
I was not excited for this show until seeing that trailer! Fingers crossed 🤞
I haven't found a place in my life for these types of TV series. Looks good though just prefer the complete arc of a movie or a mini-series.
Sets look kind of big budget artificial, soapy? Like that is some wicked blue dye on the suits, very fresh. Lovely hair and makeup. All good though I realize it's just not my thing. A cinematic 90 minute fallout movie laser focused on 2-3 character arcs would be exciting to me.
Yeah it looks like it's artificial almost on purpose. The vault opening and there's a neat little skull in the corner...
Tbh I don't mind shitty adaptations that fan service but I think they are missing the mark on this one. I hope I'm wrong tho.
Yeah the badly planted skull seemed pretty lazy. Just show a blasted landscape
SILO is fallout canon in my head
i hope they come up with a better ending than they did in the books
Fallout was an aesthetic that told super dark stories. How will a TV capture the vignette of nightmares that are the Vaults?
Fallout is not a masterpiece of story telling or cinematography. It was written by non writers mostly. It's not the godfather. It isn't going to be hard for professional writers to make it work better than the games, and clearly they're not fucking with the visual designs of the series.
It's almost hard to get Fallout wrong. Unless you shove a kid into a fridge for 200 years, or retcon the creation of the super mutants.
Todd Howard is involved, so I wager they'll get the themes right.
If Howard is involved your can bet the show will be boring and cheesy as fuck.
I'm honestly shocked so many of you are giving this show a chance after the disaster of Fallout 76, Starfield's mediocrity + the weird ass review controversy. It's incredible how much loyalty a corp can command
76 was actually good, and got better with updates. It just had a rough launch, like every Bethesda game.
I agree that their games have been shit for a while, I didn't even think F4 was good, and NV demonstrated that Bethesda shouldn't be the ones developing the series.
F3 was great at the time, but after playing NV, you can see that Bethesda is interested in creating a very railroaded experience (pun not intended).
However, I think a TV show might be fine, seeing as though the stories of Fallout haven't been bad; it has just been bad mechanically.
That could very easily be done, and it's not especially 'dark' anyway.
Not especially dark in the vaults, except for all of the body horror.
Fantasy horror ideal for pulp TV
There’s not really any limits for content anymore. Look at Amazon’s The Boys.
The way you play Fallout / Skyrim / Bethesda games might end up being a perfect format for a television adaption.
You can have a main character and follow their travels in a really strange setting. You can have 1 off episodes with perticular styles much like the quests in the game. You can easily switch from a dark horror filled vault to a campy town the next episode. Kind of like the files would have lighter episodes then some really dark ones and occasionally an episode about the main characters.
Because the fallout universe has a lot to be explored you a smart writing team could do a lot.
TL;DR Gimme Twilight Zone in the wasteland
I mean... you may have missed how episodic television works. Ironic horror antologies have been a thing on TV since the 50s.
Well I don't hate it yet..
Hope they manage to get the lead's makeup smudged.
Funny, didn't an earlier version of the trailer say "and the studio behind The Boys and Free 2-day Shipping"?
Now it says "fast delivery" with an asterisk.
I thought that must've just been a name of a show I hadn't watched haha
Yup, I watched that too!
Be prepared to be "There it no war in Ba Sing Sae"d soon.
that was shockingly interesting
this trailer looks better than the Furiosa trailer.
to me this looks like the most generic "Hollywood trailer" which is unfortunate but understandable.
TV shows/movies based on games are usually just a cash grab that play on people's love of the source material, but maybe in wrong we'll see.
I really disagree on that. Most recent videogame adaptions have been pretty awesome: Arcane, Cyberpunk Edgerunners, Last of Us, Castlevania. Sure there are some stinkers out there, but the quality really went up in the last years.
Plus One Piece
I hope Todd Howard had almost zero creative input
Remember, Brotherhood of Steel: Don't feed the yao guai! That is all.
It's going to be good. I can already tell it has The Boys humor in it and the surprise violence. It will be amazing.
I'm kinda scared that the trailer was knee deep in "from the ____ who did _____ ."
Granted, it's a teaser trailer, but it would have been cool to see a little more of what this show has to offer. e.g. The Boyz is great, because the story adapted from it's source material was already interesting. I'd love to learn more about the story of this adaptation, esp since there's a lot they'd have to do to turn the non linear, choose your own adventure source material into a non-interactive story.
Feels like the showrunners and story writers would have the opposite challenge of, say, The Last of Us. There, it was all about retelling an existing story and resisting the urge to reinvent too much.
Here they'd need to pick one of many stories and fill in a bunch of gaps.
Hope it works out 🤞🙏
Even though each game is a player driven RPG, there's a canon "through line" of major events from 1 to 2 to New Vegas. 3 and 4 are set far enough away or in a different enough period of time that the plot impact is more minor.
Personally though, I hope this is less of an adaptation and more of a "side stories in the setting".
From what I've read about the series it's actually set 4 years after Fallout 4 events. So it's more "side stories in the setting" rather than straight up adaptation.
If it's an anthology series following different people in different parts of the world dealing with different scenarios then I'm waaay more on board from that than what they showed us in the trailer.
If you're a fallout fan, you're already on board. Our viewership is a given, and is theirs to lose. But for people who aren't big fans, having big names attached shows it's serious business. It's meant to convince people on the fence that it's worth an initial watch since there's money and names behind it so maybe it's not just "some dumb low budget video game shit."
I don't know. I've played every Fallout game (except tactics and that weird PS2/Xbox game) and it won't even be on my radar until word of mouth confirms it's good. The moment I saw Todd Howards name my interest plummeted. I'm happy that Bethesda has kept the franchise alive but Fallout 3 and 4 are a whole step below what Black isle/Obsidian created. If the show is going to be based on the Bethesda vision of Fallout then it's instantly going to be at odds with the fanbase.
Maybe it'll be good, maybe it won't. But after the 400+ hours I spent in fo4, I'm willing to commit to another hour to see if the first episode is any good. I've spent longer than that hunting for literal trash in-game. :)
Kind of a random though but do you think we will ever see shows done in a more connected way? I mean as of now, all the shows are always done in secret. Why not involve fans in the process? Publish videos from the set as you film and get feedback? Publish scripts, test footage and so on. Yes, the element of surprise would be lost but wouldn't it be nice to see how the show is made and they see the final product? And maybe even influence it a little bit? I would love something like that. What do you think?
Edit: interesting. Looks like only I would be interested in seeing how a show is made.
The only reason we watch shows is to get the story. Being spoiled ruins the whole idea of the show. Besides: Even though some showrunners miss the mark, most of the fans ideas of what might come instead are mostly terrible.
There's evidence that people like stuff just as much even if they know what's gonna happen, kind of like how placebos often work even if you tell the person.
People rewatch movies because they love them.
I'm about to watch the final episode of the One Piece adaptation, even though I know exactly what has happened.
The adaptation has deviated slightly from the manga, but that's to be expected of a series known for filler.
Yeah, I don't know. In the age of remakes, reboots and huge franchises can we really say that we watch shows for the story? Is any of the Marvel movies about the story? You always now how it will end. If you read the script of Guardians of the Galaxy would it really spoil the movie? I think those movies are actually more about 'being involved'. Same as Star Trek or Star Wars. It's about following, being a fan. Story is the weakest part of those movies. It's all about CGI, action sequences and 'fan stuff' like callbacks, references and so on. I think showing what's happening on the green screen wouldn't actually spoil anything and would be really interesting to the fans.
And regarding fans ideas Sonic comes to mind. They released the trailer, fans complained and it got fixed.
But I not saying that all the shows should be made like this. For some (most?) I wouldn't work. I'm just saying... wouldn't it be interesting to see the entire process for a show like this?
Nah the last thing these shows need are a bunch of armchair experts chipping in.
Ackshully, those experts are statistically far more likely to be sitting in an office chair or a gaming chair than an arm chair.
*pushes glasses WAAAAY up nose*
Same reason I don't ask people what they think about my work while I'm doing it, it's a pain in the ass.
So you want to be like those execs that interferes with the production of the show/movie?
No not really. There's a reason you hire experts to do a job and I for instance hates it if someone try's to explain to me, a designer, what a good design is...
the nipple is the only good design
everything after that is artifice.
But we have early access video games. You can start playing when it's in alfa, give feedback. Is it really that bad for creators?
Developers don’t use early access to get feedback on lore, world-building and visual aesthetic. They get feedback on gameplay balance and bugs. A movie/TV studio doesn’t have gameplay, it’s all visual. Apples to oranges comparison
Yes but aren't game developer experts on gameplay balance? Why would they listen to feedback from some amateurs? It's the same with movies. People who designed Sonic for the movie were also experts, right? Yet they listed to feedback.
I never do it. I play games when they are finished
I think part of why creators don't include fans in the process is to avoid the possibility of a lawsuit like "I said there should be a super-mutant/brotherhood of steel secret relationship, and they used my idea! I'm entitled to money!"
Maybe 🤷♂️
I think it looks great and am super excited!
Idk where it looks great comes from, this looks like the Fallout 76 trailers. So focused on cheesey looking high budget CGI, the colors on the suits look too fresh and vibrant(imo), power armor CGI looks honestly too expressive- not like a hydraulic walking tank.
Edit: I just clicked the link, I think this is a different version of what I watched, this looks much better
This has tempered my expectations for the show. I'll give it a shot (fallout is my favourite game series), but I'm no longer super excited.
Strange, I got the exact opposite feel from the teaser. If anything they nailed the tone of fallout in that 2 and a half minute spot. Plus the set design and costumes don't look cheap or fake. Im cautiously optimistic.
The vault costumes definitely looked cheap, more cosplay fan film than professional production in my opinion. And the cgi on the mechs was very uncanny valley
Meh you're being overly critical of a teaser.
Also hard disagree on the vault jumpsuits
I'm worried about the humour. It felt like they're trying to force it. We'll see though, I'll be happy to be wrong.
I think it's best to not be overly critical of a teaser at this point.
Looks good. Didn't see any nuka cola references.
i really REALLY hope it doesn't suck
Did anyone else notice the abscence of shockwaves when the nukes went off?
Not the worst, lore wise the bombs were less explosive and more dirty
I see them clearly. They are not massive, but they are also not absent
Half the teaser looked really good, half looked incredibly mediocre.
Clean human skull at the entrance trope? Bit on the nose.
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To be fair they have produced a few shows that are really good.
Yes, but at least this stands a good chance of a few seasons.
I mean fallout certainly has the world and stories to be turned into a series of movies or a tv show. I just hope they don't focus too much on the woke aspect and actually take advantage of the source material and storytelling
Either you have never played the games or never paid attention to anything but the gunplay.
90% of Fallout is social commentary, and it's not even subtle about it.
What are we talking about here? Racism against ghouls? Fascistic vaults? Common, everyday slavery?
I never know what someone means when they say "woke". Are you for those examples above, or against them?
I'm against producers hamfisting woke ideals into content, like if the whole series was just shallow men=evil, women=strong, or every single character is non binary and points are constantly being made about it and things like that.
When it feels more like a circle jerk than just realities of the story, going out of its way to basically virtue signal removing focus from the actual interesting stories
I was never a fan of the Fallout games (just couldn't get into the setting for some reason), but this looks surprisingly good. I'll probably give this a watch. Hoping it's a better adaptation than The Last of Us was, as I love when a video game adaptation succeeds.
TLoU is the greatest videogame to screen adaptation, ever. What are you on about?
In my opinion, it very quickly became a generic zombie apocalypse survival story after a couple episodes. I thought the fungal angle to a zombie outbreak was a very interesting take, and I would've liked to see a bit more focus on that aspect of things. But they hardly showed off the zombies at all. It gave me TWD vibes for most of the episodes. And not the good "look at the flowers" vibes, but the "spend half of Season 2 walking up and down this small stretch of road looking for a girl who isn't there" vibes.
The cast were all fantastic, but I just wasn't that hooked with the storytelling, I guess.
I agree, was meh. Didn't finish the season.
I couldn’t disagree about genericness more. Also, the zombies have never been the central source of conflict for TLoU; they are just a plot device used as backdrop to flush out interpersonal and fundamentally human conflicts.
Eh, I feel like that's actually what makes it generic. The "survivors are the real monsters" trope is kinda played-out, IMO.
Take place in California. But no sign of the New California Republic. Not looking good.
It's a teaser trailer and the NCR is huge in the lore. It'll be fine.
So don't tease the fan favorite faction. Good guys. /s
All they needed to do is show a NCR flag in the background.
I don't want to give away too much if you haven't been playing Fallout since the very beginning but the NCR is not started until years after the first game when a person the vault dweller helps, organizes their village to become the New California Republic.
We don't know when this vault opens. It hasn't been mentioned in previous games so it might have opened and failed before anything else from series starts or it will take place many years later and we just haven't seen the NCR and the other factions in the teasers.
Good point, we don't know when the show takes place.But the Brotherhood have a Prydwen like aircraft. They didn't have that in the first two games.True so some time after the Arroyo incident, the brotherhood would have taken vertibird tech from the enclave after the chosen one took them down for the first time.
This assumes the writers for the show give two shits about the lore. They might only use the lore as set dressing for generic post apocalyptic trash.
In the Vanity Fair article. Says the show takes place 9 years after the events of Fallout 4, in 2296. So safe bet that is the Prydwen. 🤡 🌎
Also the NCR is not in the promotional materials from Amazon/Bethesda.