How do some people "read lips"?
Is it like a rough inference of what's being said based on mouth movements, or is it more precise somehow? Would it be a mistake to think you knew exactly what was said by reading lips (even if you were good at it)?
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Your experience seems very much like my own. I don't have hearing loss, but what I assume is an auditory processing issue with speech.
It's much easier for me to understand what someone is saying when I can see their mouth and microexpressions. If my back is turned, I don't always catch everything. Sometimes I keep hearing the "wrong thing" no matter how much I ask for them to repeat it... so I just learned to repeat back whatever non-sensical thing I "heard"; and that either helps me process what they were trying to say, or they will repeat it back slower and more clearly. It's frustrating sometimes, especially in noisier environments with a lot of other stimulus... that's when seeing someone's lips will help the most for me
And of course, I love subtitles. Otherwise I have to blast the TV, and still will miss things. The subtitles just clarify what I'm pretty sure I heard, or what I missed. I'm not just reading my way through everything, unless it's in another language... which than does feel like a switch in the way I "see subtitles"
Similar for me: when my hearing started to go in my 30s, the doctor said "you already know how to lip read." I didn't believe him until he showed me "am I saying 'top' or 'cup'?" and if he had his mouth covered, I couldn't tell which one he was saying.
Wow that's nuts.
This, completely. I didn't even know how much I depended on reading lips until everyone worth listening to was wearing a mask.
Same. My mind makes up random words to sounds all the time, so if I dont have context or lips to read, the sentences I hear people say are just wild.
I repeat things back to people wearing masks so that I can be sure that I understand them. It annoys some of them, but whatever
As far as being similar to others' experiences: I don't have any significant hearing loss, but you basically just described my subjective experience reading lips (and subtitles).
When you say subtitles do you mean closed captions? Because I agree those are a boost for me to follow what I'm also seeing and hearing the person say. But with subtitles they're speaking a different language so lip-reading isn't helpful and hearing just adds tone of voice.
I mix them up all the time myself
Thanks! I appreciate the perspective on this, as lip-reading is kinda like "eye-reading" to me in that I've struggled to understand what's involved.
This also helps me understand, as I often do watch stuff with subtitles to help better follow dialogue, and I'm usually not closely reading them all throughout.
I think exact is impossible but I think with enough practice you can get pretty good at identifying words. A good example of lip reading for false words is Bad Lip Reading
No hearing loss here, but I'm semi-alright at reading lips. It's somewhat of a guesswork, but you can make out a decent amount of info, depending on how clearly the other person enunciates their words.
I suspect most or all people already do lip reading to some extent, but you can definitely "train" yourself to read lips better.
I mainly look for consonants since those are the easiest to identify (the shape you make when you make an m sound looks super different from when you make a t sound, for instance). There's a slight bit of guessing involved, since several consonants have the same mouth shape (m and b, for instance). Sometimes, vowels can throw you a bone and be really easy to read (the a in apple, for instance, has you open your mouth very wide), but I generally struggle to read most vowels. The rest is just piecing together what was said based on context clues.
I've heard that it's easier if you're familiar with the person, past that I'm curious too!
As a linguist, I suspect that everyone lipreads to some extent as a conversation repair mechanism. Accuracy probably depends on skill and context. Family members with hearing loss are pretty good at understanding a speaker that they can see clearly, even when there's no sound information available at all.
I can't do it at all, scouring this thread for tips. I suspect it is pattern recognition my brain has not yet been trained to do.
All I know is that when people started wearing masks, suddenly I had trouble understanding them. I guess I'd picked it up subconsciously alongside my hearing loss.
I still wear masks in public, but holy shit does it make people harder to understand when I can't see their lips. I wanna say that someone made a "clear" mask for that exact reason. Dunno how exactly or where I remember that from, but it's a good idea
https://www.theclearmask.com/
There's others but this looks like a good one
The muffling of the mask doesn't help at all
Hearing loss my dude. Army. Necessity is the mother of invention. It makes date night fun with my partner though. I can read and sign remote convos to her and sometimes that's spicy/fun. It's not perfect but I can usually follow the thread. More so if the target is animated/angry/excited. Unfortunately the best ones are the hardest. We love the first date awkward convos, the public breakups, and admissions of guilt but those tend to be subdued and difficult. When you get them though it is choice.
https://youtu.be/n1jLkYyODsc?si=S7RzbDjeLib7Moqz?t=30s
For anyone not wanting to click, it's a short video from the National Geographic channel titled: "What It’s Like to Read Lips" and it's good! It definitely reinforces how I'm not great at reading lips. 😅
Oh man that was awful. I watched it with sound off and did not get a single word. It is indecipherable flapping.
Seinfeld had an episode that revolved around lip reading.
https://youtube.com/watch?v=BxNl8VQ6tPk