Honestly it's either or. I knew a couple of guys back in uni, one Indian the other Pakistani and they were really tight. Maybe it's just the narrow minded bigots who blindly hate another because of political history rather than treat them as an individual.
Also knew an Israeli and a Palestinian (weren't tight as such but were friendly with each other).
Honestly, it's a love-hate relationship. There's nobody they hate more than the other, at the same time there's nobody who understands them better than the other.
Even then, the hate is mostly political. It's politically beneficial to both countries to keep the hate flowing.
It's been seventy years now. How long do you think dead Britons will have more responsibility for and power over India and Pakistan than the people in those countries?
You're misunderstanding the issue. The British tried to fix certain issues that really didn't need fixing. To their credit they did abolish a few insane practices, but the partition was never gonna be a good thing.
I'm not a historian. I'm just recounting stuff I've been taught.
So you've never talked to Indians or Pakistanis about partition.
Because partition was a mistake and letting a nation being found on the basis of religion was terrible, and you can literally see it with how politically unstable Pakistan has been and how they are housing terrorists like Dawood or funding them.
disagree. see Radcliffe Line and its implementation.
spending five weeks to decide fate of 80 million people without even visiting the place in person isn't spending "a lot of time."
A lot of Latin American people see themselves as white and would get very offended if you suggest otherwise
Edit: Sorry I had no idea latinx was offensive
Having had this conversation with literally 300+ hispanic people, never once has a single one had a single positive thought about "latinx". Gendered nouns is literally a large part of their language.
Fun fact; English used to have three genders --masculine, feminine and neuter-- like most of the other Germanic languages, but they got stripped out over the years for historical reasons having to do with the Danelaw and the Norman conquest and are gone by the time of filthy old Chaucer.
I feel like it's something we might want to run with, like bring back gendered English!
English also used to be much more case-based as well. We still do the same things in modern English, but we don't do it with grammar and instead use syntax which isn't as cool.
Only Americans seem to draw a distinction between Spanish descendents other European descendents. Presumably because they're poor and on the wrong side of a line someone drew on a map.
Antonio Banderas was bemused when he was labelled a "person of colour".
Yes I've had this argument with some Latino people. I guess they don't to be on the shitside of the stratification, but the racist whites hate them as well.
Didn't occur to me right away but you're right. On the other hand, if they live in India then most of the people who ever wronged them would also be from India (which is also not an ethnic group as pointed out)
I have an Asian buddy that rages over how bad Asian drivers are and even gives them the fingers pulling his eyes even more closed move while passing them. I don't go anywhere in a car with him anymore... Come to think of it I rarely see him now...
India-Bangladesh and India-Nepal relations are usually good. There are disagreements over water-sharing and borders, but not to the extent that people hate each other.
India-Pakistan there is some amount of hatred. At this point it is mostly performative, but unfortunately some people take it too far.
As mentioned in the thread, self-hatred or the guy being Pakistani are two likely explanations. Maybe a third scenario could be he was testing if Anon was racist against Indians as well before presenting himself.
Could be Pakistani. The most Indian-hating person I ever met was a Pakistani guy.
India and Pakistan have a bit of a history
Understatement of the century ☝️
Hahahaha that’s akin to “Israelites and Palestinians have been in a bit of a disagreement for a few years now.”
They haven't always seen eye to eye, let's put it that way
It's like "The troubles."
Are Israeli's called Israelites? That's a very ancient biblical term, no?
Honestly it's either or. I knew a couple of guys back in uni, one Indian the other Pakistani and they were really tight. Maybe it's just the narrow minded bigots who blindly hate another because of political history rather than treat them as an individual.
Also knew an Israeli and a Palestinian (weren't tight as such but were friendly with each other).
Honestly, it's a love-hate relationship. There's nobody they hate more than the other, at the same time there's nobody who understands them better than the other.
Even then, the hate is mostly political. It's politically beneficial to both countries to keep the hate flowing.
Source: am Pakistani.
Fair enough.
Pakistan -> Muslim Indians
Same story for Africa and the Middle East
It's been seventy years now. How long do you think dead Britons will have more responsibility for and power over India and Pakistan than the people in those countries?
? They actually spent a lot of time looking over census data to see where the majorities were. That's why some of the lines are so weird.
You're misunderstanding the issue. The British tried to fix certain issues that really didn't need fixing. To their credit they did abolish a few insane practices, but the partition was never gonna be a good thing.
I'm not a historian. I'm just recounting stuff I've been taught.
From what I know, when Britain left India they really did need to partition it. I've never heard anyone say wanted India and Pakistan to be one.
So you've never talked to Indians or Pakistanis about partition.
Because partition was a mistake and letting a nation being found on the basis of religion was terrible, and you can literally see it with how politically unstable Pakistan has been and how they are housing terrorists like Dawood or funding them.
disagree. see Radcliffe Line and its implementation.
spending five weeks to decide fate of 80 million people without even visiting the place in person isn't spending "a lot of time."
I dont think that applies only to racist people
When you don't know that they are ethnically the same people....
I used to work with this lifted-truck literally red-necked red neck. He kept going on about how hot his girl was, and how white she was.
One day he shows me her picture, and she was indeed a very hot dark skinned Latina. Some people are just in denial.
A lot of Latin American people see themselves as white and would get very offended if you suggest otherwise
Edit: Sorry I had no idea latinx was offensive
They'd certainly get offended if someone referred to them as "latinx", lol
How are people still saying that unironically?
Latin akeese - I hate it, you should too
I'm from the wrong continent to really understand this issue in depth but what's wrong with 'Latin American' as a term?
What does the x mean?
As far as I understand it, "Latinx" is supposed to be the gender-neutral form of Latina/Latino.
Depending on who you ask, it may be more or less offensive than assuming their gender, or simply using a different word.
Ok, thank you.
Having had this conversation with literally 300+ hispanic people, never once has a single one had a single positive thought about "latinx". Gendered nouns is literally a large part of their language.
Fun fact; English used to have three genders --masculine, feminine and neuter-- like most of the other Germanic languages, but they got stripped out over the years for historical reasons having to do with the Danelaw and the Norman conquest and are gone by the time of filthy old Chaucer.
That is a very fun fact.
Right?
I feel like it's something we might want to run with, like bring back gendered English!
English also used to be much more case-based as well. We still do the same things in modern English, but we don't do it with grammar and instead use syntax which isn't as cool.
Yea the whole thing started and is mostly used by a fringe people who are going a tad too far with political correctness.
Mind you, I'm fine with political correctness and I'm left leaning but sometimes you can go to far.
But if someone wants to be referred to by those terms then be my guest.
Genered nouns is the backbone of so many goddamn languages. The people being offended by it are the ones that don't speak that tongue.
I lot of Latinos are white, but she was not. Of course to a racist like this guy, no Latino is really white.
Not as offended as they would be if called them Lafuckingtinx to their face lmao.
Please stop using "latinx".
Only Americans seem to draw a distinction between Spanish descendents other European descendents. Presumably because they're poor and on the wrong side of a line someone drew on a map.
Antonio Banderas was bemused when he was labelled a "person of colour".
Yes I've had this argument with some Latino people. I guess they don't to be on the shitside of the stratification, but the racist whites hate them as well.
I mean, we're on Lemmy, every American here hates America
Why did you bold the "a" at the end of America?
Probably to emphasize the difference with "Americans".
Didn't occur to me right away but you're right. On the other hand, if they live in India then most of the people who ever wronged them would also be from India (which is also not an ethnic group as pointed out)
I don't, but I'm not very popular around here either. My country is far from ideal, but I still mostly like it.
I don't hate America, I just wish we could be better. Hate takes too much energy
Just the loud shitters. I love my american friends and their culture
I love mericans
I have an Asian buddy that rages over how bad Asian drivers are and even gives them the fingers pulling his eyes even more closed move while passing them. I don't go anywhere in a car with him anymore... Come to think of it I rarely see him now...
Is it because you're pulling your eyes closed?
no, they're just like that
nah he just blends into the background of other asians he hangs out with
Asian driver roadrages over other Asian drivers driving around
Ah I see your friend is a man of culture congrats
I'm an old white guy, i think old white guys are mostly assholes so there is that.
How does anon know they aren't from Bangladesh or Nepal or something?
It's all India, mate
All part of Akhand Bharat.
Are you talking about North- and East-India?
India-Bangladesh and India-Nepal relations are usually good. There are disagreements over water-sharing and borders, but not to the extent that people hate each other.
India-Pakistan there is some amount of hatred. At this point it is mostly performative, but unfortunately some people take it too far.
Or possibly Pakistani. That whole hate your neighbour thing.
Have you met Americans?
Source: I'm an American.
It's like Americans on lemmy!
Oh yeah they made a documentary about the guy
Familiarity breeds contempt
The narcissism of small differences
Or they could be from Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka...
As mentioned in the thread, self-hatred or the guy being Pakistani are two likely explanations. Maybe a third scenario could be he was testing if Anon was racist against Indians as well before presenting himself.
Sounds like this Dave Chapelle bit...
https://youtu.be/BLNDqxrUUwQ?feature=shared
I'm not a fan of the british...
Am british...
Probably Canadian
Indians brought their caste discrimination system over here...