I think you're right. But, I'm trying to make my memes inclusive: I don't bash ubuntu users for the same reasons I don't beat people already on the ground and refrain from mocking the handicapped.
But what makes ubuntu better as a first distro than mint or fedora? It installs snaps even when you specifically invoke apt, a new user who doesn't understand the messages will press yes, see that it seemed to work and have issues later that can scare them away from linux.
What I'm trying to say is that we should bash the people still recommending ubuntu.
Eh. Using Ubuntu is nothing like having a mental or physical handicap, or having fallen and gotten knocked down/pushed down.
My issue with Ubuntu is that there’s better distros- even for newbs coming from windows for the first time. The sole argument for Ubuntu is the first reason not to use it. People are installing it because they want something different than windows, after all, and canonical makes the same critical error (IMO) that MS makes: it assumes their users are stupid.
To be honest, I grew up in red hat; I remember trying Ubuntu when it first came out, being told how awesome it was. I found it to be infuriating and horrible. And it has always been so. To me, it’s popularity seems derived more from marketing than from merit.
Documentation is always outdated and useless. GNOME is crap. apt has a dependency issue every week. Repos have software ranging from bleeding edge to horrendously outdated. Netplan is next level stupid and also decides to break for no reason. Systemd waits for network to boot by default because reasons. Versioning and LTS adds more magic fun to doing anything because of the aforementioned documentation. Last time I used it, still had crap interoperability when switching DEs for some weird reason. Canonical is the big dumb dumb. All the downstreams inherit the same problems like PopOS and elementary.
I took all of that experience and thought it was the default linux expectations until I got to try Debian for server and Fedora for desktop.
Unfortunately, people make the same mistake as me and then assume broken Ubuntu is just how linux is.
Credit though, it did get to teach me the general ins and outs of linux because I needed to fix or change something every other week.
Not OP, I like gnome and all but I Ubuntu's extensions/custom version of gnome is awful and makes trying to change settings so much worse because the gnome documentation doesn't always match with all of the changes Ubuntu adds on top. Maybe they're talking about that?
That's true, but installing a whole new desktop environment also kind of goes against the whole "ease of use" part. If someone's going to go to a whole different flavor they might as well just use something like Mint or Mint DE unless they specifically need Ubuntu for a dev environment or program/driver compatibility. That way they can still get the ease of use benefit but without dealing with all of the weird oddities that Ubuntu can introduce.
Yeah I just find for newer users the amount of Ubuntu support has always been a huge plus if you're just getting in to messing with Linux. It's a lot better now but it used to be things like "how to do x on Ubuntu," there would always be some super easy to follow tutorial. My personal preference is just a Debian install but the more catered experiences like Mint and Ubuntu do a great job at presenting Debian to daily users without any hassle.
It most certainly does. It's the only distro that I do not trust anymore to do a proper job of automatically partitioning your drive during setup, after getting complaints from my parents that Ubuntu refused to install updates. Turned out it had created a rediciously small boot partition and was now complaining that it had not enough space left to install new kernel versions as they kept around all old ones. "Because users might want to use those", according to their documentation. Bitch, you market yourself as the distro suitable for absolute beginners, but you not only expect them to know what a kernel is, but also that they clean them up their selves? What an absolutely moronic decision.
I've had broken installations after upgrades to a major version in the past and I've seen a number of colleagues switch to plain Debian or Arch derivatives after Ubuntu decided to crap out after a major upgrade.
I've seen Ubuntu systems not being able to upgrade due to circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved by Apt, package Foo requires Bar, Bar requires Baz, Baz requires Foo. Or even packages from their own repository that couldn't be upgraded because some dependency wasn't available anymore.
Just a handful of the issues I've encountered with Ubuntu. Personally I'm done with that distro. If it works for you, by all means use it. But I don't help friends and colleagues (we all get to choose our own distro fortunately, but also have to fix issues ourselves) anymore when they decide to go Ubuntu. Use a proper distro if you want my help, not that Fisher-Price 'My First Linux' crap.
I'd love to agree but unfortunately with them pushing snaps I can't. When I used snaps I found them to be extremely buggy and if I didn't already know there were other distributions with other better package managers I would've straight up assumed it was a Linux problem and I'd just have gone back to windows. If there was no other Noob-friendly distro out there I could say "sure it's an ok distro" but there are better alternatives that don't do the same shitty decisions as canonical (like Linux Mint which is the one I recommend to every noob coming from windows or Pop_OS! for those who want something similiar to MacOS).
Just because it's Lemmy, I'm gonna share my "shitty Ubuntu" story, which is less about Ubuntu being shitty and more about me being a noob.
I had a 2004 MacBook that my grandmother gave me for college when she upgraded. I didn't hate it, but this being my first experience with a laptop, when the bottom 2/3 of the screen started blinking in and out, I thought maybe it was a software problem, so with the help of an SD card and my buddy's old CRT setup I downloaded Ubuntu onto a thumb drive. When I went back to my parents' place I decided that that was the moment to install, because my dad was really into jailbreaking his iPhone at the time, so I thought it'd be cool if we did kinda similar things together. Unfortunately because I couldn't see the bottom of the screen, I had no idea about the progress of the install, got impatient, and just decided to turn the thing off. This had the effect of deleting the partition tables, and it would have been like $200 to get a new hard drive. I would have paid it, but before I could, the guy I had helping me fix the thing moved away and took my lappy with him.
I'd have gone with a spork. Not particularly good at anything it was built to do, but functional enough to get the job done, and pretty straight forward to use.
Docker images should really be distroless most of the time. There's way too much junk in the majority of Docker images when in most cases, you really just need your app and whatever dynamic libraries or runtimes it requires (if you can't statically compile it). You don't need an OS in there!
Also there'd be way more servers running Debian compared to Ubuntu.
You often (if not most of the time) need some infrastructure in OCI containers (while we're at it, let's get rid of the misnomer Docker image). And that's going to be some subset of a distribution hand-crafted for that purpose. Most of the time, that should be Alpine, because they provide the slimmest base image.
I have a Dockerized C# app... I'm going to try .NET Native AOT (which was improved a lot in .NET 8, released today) to compile it into a self-contained binary, and see how well it works with a distroless base container.
I'm curious to hear how that works out. I'm a big fan of C#; not so much the Microsoft ecosystem. I'd say for maximum scalability you'd want languages which compile to small binaries. So, Go, Rust, C++, C, and theoretically some others. The approach with Java and C# to bundle the framework, JIT, etc, and then try to shave off as much as you can get away with feels kind of backwards. And I get the excitement of the Java folks when they manage to create a self-contained binary with GraalVM and co of 12mb. Like, that's impressive, but had you developed the same thing with Go it would be .5mb. Curious to see how .NET fares in that comparison to Java.
Debian isn't really an option if you want paid support. You really only have Red Hat, SUSE, and Canonical. Of course, there are a lot of Ubuntu servers out there.
Please put an NSFW tag on this. I was on the train and when I saw this I had to start furiously masterbating. Everyone else gave me strange looks and were saying things like “what the fuck” and “call the police”. I dropped my phone and everyone around me saw this image. Now there is a whole train of men masterbating together at this one image. This is all your fault, you could have prevented this if you had just tagged this post NSFW.
The fact that this exists makes me so happy. I doubt I'd ever use a smart buttplug, but I'm oddly relived that those who want Bluetooth up their ass can do so using open-source software.
This is garbage, preposterous even! Kali is a toy lockpick for script kiddies, parrotOS is where the real deal is. Or you know just install the tools on debian.
It was PHLAK back in the day. I just like Kali because it has so many tools ready to go out of the box. Run Debian as main OS though and it's pretty simple to add their repos and install them.
Everybody hates arch for no good reason, I'm so sick of seeing these ancient /g/ memes. The Linux community should have better things to do than shit on one of the most secure distros. Like, y'all realize backdoors are built into motherboards nowadays right? So sure, we need to be even more zealous, serious and loud if anything, but the infighting? The infighting is fucking childish.
They're not hating on Arch, they're "hating" on the small (but loud) group of people who have a superiority complex for just running Arch and doing it the manual way (and tends to see those who installed with archinstall as a cop-out).
Just like the people who shit on those for using Windows.
In the spirit of bashing Ubuntu, I'd like to propose we stick with the swiss army knife. But it's one of those strange Kickstarter projects where it's entirely controlled by an unnecessary phone app.
Arch being something that requires some research and prep beforehand makes sense through. As well as having fans who will swear that is actually quite enjoyable if you try it.
Counterpoint, Ubuntu is popular because it usually has what you need. For home stuff especially the limiting factor is usually time, not processing power.
I'd challenge that asking what do you really need above base Debian?
I've got a script to set up my debian servers and it doesn't include much beyond adding docker, assigning users to groups, and adding a couple tools (just looked them up: sudo ca-certificates curl gnupg ufw).
I saw a significant decrease in idle CPU and RAM load by switching from Ubuntu-server to Debian Bookworm + those tools.
Anyone who bashes distros hasn't really understood Linux. The fact that you can choose gives us the ability to choose the right tool for the job. Ubuntu has pushed a few weird things into the Linux world, but the distro itself is still legit.
Real question if I can sneak one in. If I want to buy a machine suitable to run Darktable for photo editing, which Linux distribution would be ideal for that? Other than photo editing, I might watch movies in browser while browsing other sites on a different screen. That's all I really use PC to do these days. Advice? I don't want to accidently use a butt plug.
Edit for additional context if it wasn't immediately apparent: I am a casual who just doesn't like Microsoft. But I don't use anything else that concerns me for a switch to Linux. I just want easy setup and use for my purposes.
I recommend EndeavourOS primarily because of it's ease of use and rolling distro means you'll have access to the latest bug fixes and patches (and a very active and supportive community), whereas it does come with the drawback of requiring to fix things every now and then if you've installed packages from places other than endeavour/Aur or require packages/apps that are older.
Yay (package manager) is very easy to get using as a beginner, however, if you don't want rolling updates and just large update packages similar in scope to windows service pack updates I'd recommend popos or the sister/base os ubuntu. (fedora apparently may be good in this instance as well but I've very little contact with the OS and have been avoiding RHEL-related products recently because of their anti-consumer and anti-open source actions recently).
Ultimately it's definitely recommended that you try a few distro's to get a feel for what you like and then customize to your hearts content.
https://distrowatch.com/ if you'd like a more in depth review of various distros and what their performance bonuses or problems are.
EndeavourOS with xfce4 is very clean and quick to pick up with their little introductory/learning module that they include (once installed or on live, it will provide a popup that includes the following):
I’ve switched from Windows 11 to Pop!_OS and don’t have any complaints. It looks different to Windows (no start menu like windows) but that wasn’t a turn off for me. If you want something that looks closer to a windows machine, Mint is a great option
I always recommend mint. There are a lot of small convenience features that remove friction points for new users and because it's based on the very popular Ubuntu there are a lot of documentation out there.
I have no experience with Darktable. But, really any and every distro should do it. Every distro comes with a learning curve. My personal advice would be not to go with distro derivatives. In the early days, Ubuntu was quite good, for making Debian "more accessible" to a larger audience and people unfamiliar with linux. I still like it for being an African success story. But, I can't recommend it anymore for a slew of reasons. So, I'd say, go with debian, fedora, or even Arch. If you want to go with debian, you should know about non-free. If you go with fedora, you should know about rpmfusion. If you want to go with Arch, you should be comfortable with a more bare-bones and hands-on experience and reading the Arch-wiki (which is one of the most extensive and best wikis out there, and even useful if you use another distro). If you want something stable that just works and don't need the newest of the new software, use debian. If you want the bleeding edge, that mostly just works, go with fedora. If you want the bleeding edge, want maximum control, and are not afraid to stay on top of it, go with Arch. Of course, many other distros could be a good pick for you. They all have pros and cons.
Seems like you're currently using Pop! OS. Just wanted to give you some tips:
Don't install Manjaro, AFAIK their packages are mostly outdated and the distro says it supports the Arch User Repository when it clearly does not and breaks the system.
Some more distros that you can use are Nobara (which is Fedora based so there is a chance you will face the same issues), Linux Mint, KDE Neon and Ubuntu.
After researching Nobara was actually my first choice of OS! Sadly, I couldn't get the live USB off their site to work, all I ever got was a black screen when booting from the USB. When I did it in command line it threw some kernel errors.
Fedora KDEPlasma was my second choice as I liked the desktop layout. It didn't like it when I installed the nvidia drivers.
Fedora 39 workstation was my last fedora. I actually got Nvidia working on it. But when I tried to play a video from my NAS server it was choppy and would crash when tracking within the video file. Which I'm guessing is some Nvidia compatibility issues based on what I was reading on the forums, which is apparently a known and unresolved issue in Fedora 39 as of now.
Pop!OS just worked. Off the rip, zero issues whatsoever with Nvidia or graphics issues. Most issues have been caused by my inexperience so far.
Yeah I think that's kinda the point. Fedora does a bunch of things in really specific ways that aren't at all like Debian based distros or Mac or windows.
Eg - Selinux.
So you, initial experience is pretty poor if you don't know a decent amount about what's going on
You can read about my experience with Fedora on my day 1 post if you'd like. Bottom line, there were a TON of issues with Nvidia compatibility, and VLC ran like garbage on it.
Linux users say that this is some kind of easy to use, can replace windows at any point in time, yet one of the most popular distros in existence is definitely not ready for prime time.
My day 2 and 3 posts have been pretty highly upvoted! Almost like linux users only like hearing the good and not the bad.
I hear you I hear you. Whenever people ask me about my device I usually tell them that you just exchange the windows problems for linux problems. I don't mind fixing things as much because the device really feels like my own so I am more forgiving than I was on my other devices. Don't know how that is for other distros since there are so many but in my experience but yeah I've lost count of how many times I've had to repair my bluetooth audio.
Linux users say that this is some kind of easy to use, can replace windows at any point in time, yet one of the most popular distros in existence is definitely not ready for prime time.
Well should we consider device specific issues? First of all thoose device manufacturers never made it for linux and when a new device comes in, its likely broken.
What I would say linux can easily replace windows is when a working linux install(i.e. when its running in a fully compatible device), can do all computing needs. And I think linux actually does that.
I know you wouldn't buy a new device for linux but even windows when you manually install in a device requires much setup and driver installs to get working well. But in the windows side, drivers are always availiable unlike in linux where community needs to reverse engineer and make the drivers themselves, which is always late than windows.
You came in here and started this saying it's basically my fault I had a bad time with Fedora. Your condescending and pretentious attitude has been noted, but I'm a new user to Linux my man. None of this is familiar. As my day 2 and 3 posts show I can actually troubleshoot and fix things, if I couldn't figure it out, I'd say it's indicative of production and deployment issues on the developers end.
But please feel free to not respond, you're exactly the kind of Linux user that gives the community it's negative stigma.
[...] and started this saying it's basically my fault I had a bad time with Fedora.
It is/was.
[...] Your condescending and pretentious attitude has been noted, [...]
I'll come back to this further down.
[...] but I'm a new user to Linux my man.
And evidently a very ignorant one at that. You come at it with preconceived notions of how distributions should work, and then get angry when they don't, when five minutes of googling could have prevented your problems. Only to be followed by troll-level low effort rants on the internet.
None of this is familiar.
And blind trial and error is no good way to change that.
As my day 2 and 3 posts show I can actually troubleshoot and fix things, if I couldn't figure it out, I'd say it's indicative of production and deployment issues on the developers end.
Or, your aforementioned ignorance and wrong preconceived notions of how you think things should work.
As your day 1 post shows, you have the attention span of a squirrel and frustration tolerance of a toddler. Your assumption, that your opinion on a distribution, after spending less than one day with it, has any merit or value is plain arrogant.
But please feel free to not respond, [...]
You can always walk away from this.
[...] you're exactly the kind of Linux user that gives the community it's negative stigma.
You are exactly the kind of person, why I'm in favor of something akin to a drivers license for computers.
[...] Your condescending and pretentious attitude has been noted, [...]
There's nothing noteworthy about your arrogance, ignorance, lack of frustration tolerance and attention span.
Then feel free to fuck off.
Your opinions have the substance of a vacuum and structural integrity of a house of cards. Do yourself and "us" (the linux community) a favor and kindly fuck off yourself.
First I wanted to contradict and say that I like arch linux because it feels good... So yes: I see your point
It's so plug & play
Universal Plug and Play: it works on all genders!
Pretty much everyone has a butthole, it's the ultimate input/output port.
Universal Serial Bussy.
;-)
Hmm, the Arch one seems to be incorrect. People who wear a buttplug won't randomly announce that they're wearing buttplug.
They likely would, if it was an Arch butt plug.
A Bluetooth controlled butt plug that runs Arch? 😩
Gotta commit some cahnges to this repo
Well,
git pushcomes soon9 months later you will get pull-request
Naw buddy, it was less than a week. So many bugs...
Marry me!
Good luck getting the BT driver for the vibrator to work, the AUR package has been broken for months
Sign me up!
What about a buttplug ran by arch?
We don't have the same friends.
Acutally.. They do on the internet. And may even earn money by doing so.
Also, too smooth for Archusers. They prefer more pain.
I read the meme as Arch is something that you should shove up your @$$
It's okay to say "ass" on the internet, FYI.
I feel like Ubuntu should be one of those squeaky hammer toys. Maybe I’m just biased,
I think you're right. But, I'm trying to make my memes inclusive: I don't bash ubuntu users for the same reasons I don't beat people already on the ground and refrain from mocking the handicapped.
Well you bash us arch users but i get it we can take it! Lmao. Or maybe ubuntu users just can't take a joke
You shure as hell can take it in the ass that's for sure
Yeah arch does get you laid
He shure doesh
I cam take a jork
But what makes ubuntu better as a first distro than mint or fedora? It installs snaps even when you specifically invoke apt, a new user who doesn't understand the messages will press yes, see that it seemed to work and have issues later that can scare them away from linux.
What I'm trying to say is that we should bash the people still recommending ubuntu.
Oh, I'm absolutely fine with bashing people recommending Ubuntu. Hand me the first stone!
Eh. Using Ubuntu is nothing like having a mental or physical handicap, or having fallen and gotten knocked down/pushed down.
My issue with Ubuntu is that there’s better distros- even for newbs coming from windows for the first time. The sole argument for Ubuntu is the first reason not to use it. People are installing it because they want something different than windows, after all, and canonical makes the same critical error (IMO) that MS makes: it assumes their users are stupid.
To be honest, I grew up in red hat; I remember trying Ubuntu when it first came out, being told how awesome it was. I found it to be infuriating and horrible. And it has always been so. To me, it’s popularity seems derived more from marketing than from merit.
No, Debian should definitely be the Swiss army knife, and Ubuntu should definitely be the playdoh Swiss army knife.
That's a weird Debian logo on the Swiss Army Knife
I use lube btw
is it really Arch if you're not going in dry?
lube = archinstall
No, I am the pain in the Arch
aaaAAAAaarch
Isn’t that gentoo then?
The swiss army knife should not be Ubuntu lol. Ubuntu would be like the dollar store knockoff that falls apart with use.
You mean to say the version where the Victorinox logo is replaced with the Ubuntu one?
Looks half way convincing but is shit in reality?
Always felt more like a hammer to me.
Used it for 2 years on desktop and server.
Documentation is always outdated and useless. GNOME is crap. apt has a dependency issue every week. Repos have software ranging from bleeding edge to horrendously outdated. Netplan is next level stupid and also decides to break for no reason. Systemd waits for network to boot by default because reasons. Versioning and LTS adds more magic fun to doing anything because of the aforementioned documentation. Last time I used it, still had crap interoperability when switching DEs for some weird reason. Canonical is the big dumb dumb. All the downstreams inherit the same problems like PopOS and elementary.
I took all of that experience and thought it was the default linux expectations until I got to try Debian for server and Fedora for desktop.
Unfortunately, people make the same mistake as me and then assume broken Ubuntu is just how linux is.
Credit though, it did get to teach me the general ins and outs of linux because I needed to fix or change something every other week.
Not OP, I like gnome and all but I Ubuntu's extensions/custom version of gnome is awful and makes trying to change settings so much worse because the gnome documentation doesn't always match with all of the changes Ubuntu adds on top. Maybe they're talking about that?
Can't you just use another desktop environment if you don't like the pre-packaged gnome? I just see Ubuntu as a flavor of Debian made for ease of use.
That's true, but installing a whole new desktop environment also kind of goes against the whole "ease of use" part. If someone's going to go to a whole different flavor they might as well just use something like Mint or Mint DE unless they specifically need Ubuntu for a dev environment or program/driver compatibility. That way they can still get the ease of use benefit but without dealing with all of the weird oddities that Ubuntu can introduce.
Yeah I just find for newer users the amount of Ubuntu support has always been a huge plus if you're just getting in to messing with Linux. It's a lot better now but it used to be things like "how to do x on Ubuntu," there would always be some super easy to follow tutorial. My personal preference is just a Debian install but the more catered experiences like Mint and Ubuntu do a great job at presenting Debian to daily users without any hassle.
Ubuntu LTS is the least stable LTS Linux distro I've ever used. There's why I avoid Ubuntu. It isn't about normies it's about avoiding Canonical.
It most certainly does. It's the only distro that I do not trust anymore to do a proper job of automatically partitioning your drive during setup, after getting complaints from my parents that Ubuntu refused to install updates. Turned out it had created a rediciously small boot partition and was now complaining that it had not enough space left to install new kernel versions as they kept around all old ones. "Because users might want to use those", according to their documentation. Bitch, you market yourself as the distro suitable for absolute beginners, but you not only expect them to know what a kernel is, but also that they clean them up their selves? What an absolutely moronic decision.
I've had broken installations after upgrades to a major version in the past and I've seen a number of colleagues switch to plain Debian or Arch derivatives after Ubuntu decided to crap out after a major upgrade.
I've seen Ubuntu systems not being able to upgrade due to circular dependencies that couldn't be resolved by Apt, package Foo requires Bar, Bar requires Baz, Baz requires Foo. Or even packages from their own repository that couldn't be upgraded because some dependency wasn't available anymore.
Just a handful of the issues I've encountered with Ubuntu. Personally I'm done with that distro. If it works for you, by all means use it. But I don't help friends and colleagues (we all get to choose our own distro fortunately, but also have to fix issues ourselves) anymore when they decide to go Ubuntu. Use a proper distro if you want my help, not that Fisher-Price 'My First Linux' crap.
I use arch btw
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Mint would be a colourful toy piano. Just the way I like it.
That guy is so rad.
Ubuntu. Multitool. Yeah, funny
Its pretty apt because while you can technically use it to do a variety of things its almost always outclassed in any particular use
I see what you did there
And it's popular, and it's something non-Linux users might recognize.
Exactly, multi role and underpowered.
But, good enough for just about anything most people need to do on a daily basis. For anything else there's specialized tools.
You're not going to win that argument on Lemmy about Ubuntu being a decent OS... Which it is ❤️
I'd love to agree but unfortunately with them pushing snaps I can't. When I used snaps I found them to be extremely buggy and if I didn't already know there were other distributions with other better package managers I would've straight up assumed it was a Linux problem and I'd just have gone back to windows. If there was no other Noob-friendly distro out there I could say "sure it's an ok distro" but there are better alternatives that don't do the same shitty decisions as canonical (like Linux Mint which is the one I recommend to every noob coming from windows or Pop_OS! for those who want something similiar to MacOS).
Just because it's Lemmy, I'm gonna share my "shitty Ubuntu" story, which is less about Ubuntu being shitty and more about me being a noob.
I had a 2004 MacBook that my grandmother gave me for college when she upgraded. I didn't hate it, but this being my first experience with a laptop, when the bottom 2/3 of the screen started blinking in and out, I thought maybe it was a software problem, so with the help of an SD card and my buddy's old CRT setup I downloaded Ubuntu onto a thumb drive. When I went back to my parents' place I decided that that was the moment to install, because my dad was really into jailbreaking his iPhone at the time, so I thought it'd be cool if we did kinda similar things together. Unfortunately because I couldn't see the bottom of the screen, I had no idea about the progress of the install, got impatient, and just decided to turn the thing off. This had the effect of deleting the partition tables, and it would have been like $200 to get a new hard drive. I would have paid it, but before I could, the guy I had helping me fix the thing moved away and took my lappy with him.
Always love story time 🙌
Well, I didn't see it from that point. Makes sense 🤣
I'd have gone with a spork. Not particularly good at anything it was built to do, but functional enough to get the job done, and pretty straight forward to use.
Any wet meal you would have previously used a fork a spork/splade works better. It is the apex of TV dinner eating implements after hands only. 😉
Checking calendar to see if April 1st
I don't know why, but it really is. You'd be surprised to see how many servers in the wild run ubuntu and how many docker images are based on ubuntu.
Docker images should really be distroless most of the time. There's way too much junk in the majority of Docker images when in most cases, you really just need your app and whatever dynamic libraries or runtimes it requires (if you can't statically compile it). You don't need an OS in there!
Also there'd be way more servers running Debian compared to Ubuntu.
You often (if not most of the time) need some infrastructure in OCI containers (while we're at it, let's get rid of the misnomer Docker image). And that's going to be some subset of a distribution hand-crafted for that purpose. Most of the time, that should be Alpine, because they provide the slimmest base image.
Distroless containers (e.g. https://github.com/GoogleContainerTools/distroless, Chiselled Ubuntu, etc) are often smaller than Alpine ones. Google's smallest Debian-based one is around 2MB.
I have a Dockerized C# app... I'm going to try .NET Native AOT (which was improved a lot in .NET 8, released today) to compile it into a self-contained binary, and see how well it works with a distroless base container.
I'm curious to hear how that works out. I'm a big fan of C#; not so much the Microsoft ecosystem. I'd say for maximum scalability you'd want languages which compile to small binaries. So, Go, Rust, C++, C, and theoretically some others. The approach with Java and C# to bundle the framework, JIT, etc, and then try to shave off as much as you can get away with feels kind of backwards. And I get the excitement of the Java folks when they manage to create a self-contained binary with GraalVM and co of 12mb. Like, that's impressive, but had you developed the same thing with Go it would be .5mb. Curious to see how .NET fares in that comparison to Java.
In the dotnet 8 announcement the brag is that a minimal web service will be 8.5 megs
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/aspnet/core/release-notes/aspnetcore-8.0?view=aspnetcore-8.0#native-aot
Google's distroless base images are based on Debian and are smaller than Alpine images.
Debian isn't really an option if you want paid support. You really only have Red Hat, SUSE, and Canonical. Of course, there are a lot of Ubuntu servers out there.
It's because of laziness.
There's a difference between lazy and focused on other things.
Potato, tomato.
It should have a tail.
You can glue your own tail, there are instructions in the guide for proper configuration and cleaning.
yay -Syu tail-plug
UwUntu what's this?
No. It should be minimalistic by default. If you want to add a tail just grab one from the AUR.
Well, you can install Gentoo with USE=tail
You can use those other distributions as buttplugs, too, but they're not going to be pleasurable or even comfortable.
This statement implies using arch btw as a buttplug is pleasurable and/or comfortable.
Did they stutter?
Anything can be a butt plug if you are brave enough
My friend who uses Arch...btw. Is good at chess
Is this them? Looks like a chess pro.
Yeah butt with a tail.
i guess i got something in common with ur friend:)
Bzzzzzzzt
That would explain the joy I'm feeling when using my PC
The weak prude mindset vs the based chad buttset
Not everyone's thing, but if you're into it, feels really good to use?
Only one way to find out if you would like it ...
I know I like it. That's why I have 2
Interesting. Perhaps we should get together and compare distros, for purely academic reasons of course.
Arch is so pleasant to to use...
But it's a little cold at first when you start using it.
using no install helper ≈ no lube, no prewarming
And one wrong move is a twinge of pressure
So I just spent the last day reading the Arch wiki on butt plugs. It is now fully configured and ready for use 🥴
You're joking, but-- https://buttplug.io/
The fact that this exists makes me so happy. I doubt I'd ever use a smart buttplug, but I'm oddly relived that those who want Bluetooth up their ass can do so using open-source software.
The second sentence on the website
> STARDEW VALLEY
Save up all of your starfruit wine for three years and turn it in at once to have your genitals tenderized into a fine paste.
I haven't played Stardew Valley. What does starfruit wine do? Does ot help you get especially romantic with Harvey or Leah?
It's just very rare and expensive. Getting my starfruit plantation running turned me into the biggest kulak in town.
So... the sex toy integration is just about the money? Lame.
I have no idea what triggers what, I don't have a smart buttplug
Explain. I'm a Boom shoot fan and this is on my wishlist after I clear a few in my backlog. Is Ultrakill popular with Butt Plug enthusiasts?
I think they implemented it just because they could. The developers of ultrakill are... Eccentric to say the least
I am just as confused as you are. If anything, your knowledge of Ultrakill could clear things up.
This could unironically be useful for adult themed games lmao
Wow I didn't know I needed this, thanks
You got kinda an obsession with arch 😂 BTW im using Windows 11
What "tool" should we then assign to Win11.
Chastity belt.
Useless Machine
Money Machine.
Than 1 and 2
This is garbage, preposterous even! Kali is a toy lockpick for script kiddies, parrotOS is where the real deal is. Or you know just install the tools on debian.
I use arch btUwU
It was PHLAK back in the day. I just like Kali because it has so many tools ready to go out of the box. Run Debian as main OS though and it's pretty simple to add their repos and install them.
If linux distros were WW2 tanks.
Linux Mint - M4 Sherman
Sturdy, reliable, easy to build and maintain
Ubuntu - T-34
Easy to build, does what you want it to but terribly unreliable and tends to break down after a while
Arch - Tiger
Hard to build and takes too long, works great in design but in practice it just breaks down, over riced causing it to be unstable
Debian - Challenger
The best, usable in any situation, fairly easy to build and mighty reliable.
Linux Lite - M24 Chaffee
Fast, small, easy to build and unusually reliable for a light distro.
CentOS - Char B1
Outdated but still a beast of a distro.
The fact you know this much about Linux distros and WW2 tanks might actually might actually make you the nerdiest of the nerds.
Dude this is awesome, and as a Linux nerd and tank nerd, a great comparison!
I find Rocky not being here at all funny.
Slackware - T-55 or M3 Stuart
Outdated and should have been dead and gone a long time ago, but somehow still in service in a few places and stable
Jokes on you I’m into that shit
Maybe it's time for you to move on to gentoo:
Please imagine a skull emoji
Sooo... Arch makes you horny?
I thought that would be Hanna Montana Linux.
Why are you booing? She's legal now.
Damn, maybe I should give Arch a try...
Read the wiki before so you know how to use it without hurting yourself.
Go slowly and use plenty of lube, right?
Also prewarm for maximum pleasure.
Gentoo would be the materials to make your own tool
Some iron ore, a ton of clay, and instructions on how to make a furnace.
Probably. Maybe Gentoo is the one where you get the furnace and various molds for various tools, but you have to cast the tools yourself.
The important thing is that Linux users are finally getting some outside time and fresh air.
Linux users touching grass challenge (impossible)
Yeah just some steel, a welder, and a grinder
Gentoo is the How To Make Everything Youtube channel.
Linux from Scratch is Primitive Technology.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
How To Make Everything
Primitive Technology
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
I don't know what I'm looking at here. I also don't know if I want to know.
Seems to be an asshole-mounted taco holder.
I know that it's Jesus.
But I really REALLY want it to be Moses parting the sea.
You're forgetting Jesus
So did the person who made it
Always thank the Lord before eating
Ooooh, intriguing ...
A kinky trailer hitch?
Brass knuckles... with a jesus figure... and side bars... with an embossed "have a taco"...
so... BDSM "furniture" tool? Perhaps maid?
And that.
Arch should be a megaphone so they can broadcast “I use Arch BTW” to all.
The plug has a speaker inside that shouts it every time you fart
so....
?
Yeah
Everybody hates arch for no good reason, I'm so sick of seeing these ancient /g/ memes. The Linux community should have better things to do than shit on one of the most secure distros. Like, y'all realize backdoors are built into motherboards nowadays right? So sure, we need to be even more zealous, serious and loud if anything, but the infighting? The infighting is fucking childish.
They're not hating on Arch, they're "hating" on the small (but loud) group of people who have a superiority complex for just running Arch and doing it the manual way (and tends to see those who installed with
archinstallas a cop-out).Just like the people who shit on those for using Windows.
Ancient maybe. But I only ever posted them to reddit. If you've seen them in /g/ that were reposts by other people.
True.
Zealot is like my middle name.
It's just so much fun. Don't you like fun?
_cn zealot t0
Well, okay so long as you're having fun 🌈 ☺️
Why, thank you! I have 🥰
Is this a new copy/pasta?
Yeah, I'd shove Pacman up my ass... wait you were talking about the package manager?
Found you, Rich Evans
What is NixOS?
A vibrating buttplug. It also self replicates at the press of a button.
Reproducible stimulation
https://uncovercreations.com/collections/ovipositors
🧐😧
If we want this meme to be accurate, they all have to be dildos with just slightly different sizes and colors
No.
In the spirit of bashing Ubuntu, I'd like to propose we stick with the swiss army knife. But it's one of those strange Kickstarter projects where it's entirely controlled by an unnecessary phone app.
Arch being something that requires some research and prep beforehand makes sense through. As well as having fans who will swear that is actually quite enjoyable if you try it.
No bashing Ubuntu!
Now there's an idea. Butt plugs with custom logos. I'm gonna be rich!
I'll take 10%.
I guess Gentoo should be customizable dildonator 9000.
https://sh.itjust.works/comment/5506431
I use Arch, bt…fuck.
It's OK. There's no kink shaming here.
*buttfuck
Debian instead of ubuntu for the multitool
Ok, but the multitool must have a steeper learning curve and less GUIs
Agree
With all the Ubuntu bashing. It's the only Linux image I have used for my server. Also used Kali and a bunch of others on an old laptop.
Is Ubuntu server bad or does it just hold your hand too much. I have everything running in docker and manage that from a web gui.
It's not that it's bad on a server, it's just that something like Debian with a couple tools on top gets you to the same place with less resources.
For a home server, that reduction in overhead can mean squeezing out a few more services on a single box.
Gotcha, I'll look into Debian. I chose Ubuntu as we use DoD STIGs at work and they have an automated tool and spec for Ubuntu.
Counterpoint, Ubuntu is popular because it usually has what you need. For home stuff especially the limiting factor is usually time, not processing power.
I'd challenge that asking what do you really need above base Debian?
I've got a script to set up my debian servers and it doesn't include much beyond adding docker, assigning users to groups, and adding a couple tools (just looked them up: sudo ca-certificates curl gnupg ufw).
I saw a significant decrease in idle CPU and RAM load by switching from Ubuntu-server to Debian Bookworm + those tools.
Anyone who bashes distros hasn't really understood Linux. The fact that you can choose gives us the ability to choose the right tool for the job. Ubuntu has pushed a few weird things into the Linux world, but the distro itself is still legit.
Last time I used Ubuntu Server I was annoyed by those ads for some weird canonical subscriptions. Now I use Fedora ofc.
True, not as bad as Microsoft but did remind me of them.
What's wrong with Ubuntu in general?
I’m personally not a fan of their approach to Snaps and hard pushing their snap store.
Apt works just fine and if we want sandboxed apps, we could choose to install flatpaks.
But the snapstore comes preinstalled and I’m not a fan of that.
nothing really, mint is preferable if you need to use a ubuntu based dist
Not sure if you are serious or your comment is a meta meme ...
ubuntu - kali
fedora - arch
Why is arch a buttplug?
Idk, but it feels good.
NixOS is just a hardware store
Ubuntu and Kali are both just flavors of Debian though. Need RHEL logo on a corporate middle manager desk chair.
Which one is that on the pick set? I don't recognize the logo...
Kali Linux. A pen testing distro.
Everything about this is wrong
I take objection to this statement. I pride myself with displaying nothing but objective truth in the memes I create.
Then explain your rational
Shall I also explain how to walk, breathe, and drink?
Damn.
Real question if I can sneak one in. If I want to buy a machine suitable to run Darktable for photo editing, which Linux distribution would be ideal for that? Other than photo editing, I might watch movies in browser while browsing other sites on a different screen. That's all I really use PC to do these days. Advice? I don't want to accidently use a butt plug.
Edit for additional context if it wasn't immediately apparent: I am a casual who just doesn't like Microsoft. But I don't use anything else that concerns me for a switch to Linux. I just want easy setup and use for my purposes.
I would personally recommend EndeavourOS or PopOS.
https://endeavouros.com/
https://pop.system76.com/
I recommend EndeavourOS primarily because of it's ease of use and rolling distro means you'll have access to the latest bug fixes and patches (and a very active and supportive community), whereas it does come with the drawback of requiring to fix things every now and then if you've installed packages from places other than endeavour/Aur or require packages/apps that are older.
Yay (package manager) is very easy to get using as a beginner, however, if you don't want rolling updates and just large update packages similar in scope to windows service pack updates I'd recommend popos or the sister/base os ubuntu. (fedora apparently may be good in this instance as well but I've very little contact with the OS and have been avoiding RHEL-related products recently because of their anti-consumer and anti-open source actions recently).
Ultimately it's definitely recommended that you try a few distro's to get a feel for what you like and then customize to your hearts content.
https://distrowatch.com/ if you'd like a more in depth review of various distros and what their performance bonuses or problems are.
EndeavourOS with xfce4 is very clean and quick to pick up with their little introductory/learning module that they include (once installed or on live, it will provide a popup that includes the following):
I’ve switched from Windows 11 to Pop!_OS and don’t have any complaints. It looks different to Windows (no start menu like windows) but that wasn’t a turn off for me. If you want something that looks closer to a windows machine, Mint is a great option
I always recommend mint. There are a lot of small convenience features that remove friction points for new users and because it's based on the very popular Ubuntu there are a lot of documentation out there.
I have no experience with Darktable. But, really any and every distro should do it. Every distro comes with a learning curve. My personal advice would be not to go with distro derivatives. In the early days, Ubuntu was quite good, for making Debian "more accessible" to a larger audience and people unfamiliar with linux. I still like it for being an African success story. But, I can't recommend it anymore for a slew of reasons. So, I'd say, go with debian, fedora, or even Arch. If you want to go with debian, you should know about non-free. If you go with fedora, you should know about rpmfusion. If you want to go with Arch, you should be comfortable with a more bare-bones and hands-on experience and reading the Arch-wiki (which is one of the most extensive and best wikis out there, and even useful if you use another distro). If you want something stable that just works and don't need the newest of the new software, use debian. If you want the bleeding edge, that mostly just works, go with fedora. If you want the bleeding edge, want maximum control, and are not afraid to stay on top of it, go with Arch. Of course, many other distros could be a good pick for you. They all have pros and cons.
As an Arch user I feel offended but indeed I own one. So I guess it's true...
I don't get it...
Loosen up baby
I've been documenting my experience with switching over to linux and how it's gone. Day 1 and 2 posts have been made.
Fedora is terrible from my day 1 experience.
Seems like you're currently using Pop! OS. Just wanted to give you some tips: Don't install Manjaro, AFAIK their packages are mostly outdated and the distro says it supports the Arch User Repository when it clearly does not and breaks the system. Some more distros that you can use are Nobara (which is Fedora based so there is a chance you will face the same issues), Linux Mint, KDE Neon and Ubuntu.
Yep! Pop!OS is my current OS.
After researching Nobara was actually my first choice of OS! Sadly, I couldn't get the live USB off their site to work, all I ever got was a black screen when booting from the USB. When I did it in command line it threw some kernel errors.
Fedora KDEPlasma was my second choice as I liked the desktop layout. It didn't like it when I installed the nvidia drivers.
Fedora 39 workstation was my last fedora. I actually got Nvidia working on it. But when I tried to play a video from my NAS server it was choppy and would crash when tracking within the video file. Which I'm guessing is some Nvidia compatibility issues based on what I was reading on the forums, which is apparently a known and unresolved issue in Fedora 39 as of now.
Pop!OS just worked. Off the rip, zero issues whatsoever with Nvidia or graphics issues. Most issues have been caused by my inexperience so far.
If your fedora experience is that terrible, you've clearly not figured out how it's done.
Yeah I think that's kinda the point. Fedora does a bunch of things in really specific ways that aren't at all like Debian based distros or Mac or windows. Eg - Selinux. So you, initial experience is pretty poor if you don't know a decent amount about what's going on
You can read about my experience with Fedora on my day 1 post if you'd like. Bottom line, there were a TON of issues with Nvidia compatibility, and VLC ran like garbage on it.
I think I don't need to reiterate the replies you got on that post and explain why it was downvoted.
Honestly, I don't really care what you think.
Linux users say that this is some kind of easy to use, can replace windows at any point in time, yet one of the most popular distros in existence is definitely not ready for prime time.
My day 2 and 3 posts have been pretty highly upvoted! Almost like linux users only like hearing the good and not the bad.
I hear you I hear you. Whenever people ask me about my device I usually tell them that you just exchange the windows problems for linux problems. I don't mind fixing things as much because the device really feels like my own so I am more forgiving than I was on my other devices. Don't know how that is for other distros since there are so many but in my experience but yeah I've lost count of how many times I've had to repair my bluetooth audio.
Well should we consider device specific issues? First of all thoose device manufacturers never made it for linux and when a new device comes in, its likely broken.
What I would say linux can easily replace windows is when a working linux install(i.e. when its running in a fully compatible device), can do all computing needs. And I think linux actually does that.
I know you wouldn't buy a new device for linux but even windows when you manually install in a device requires much setup and driver installs to get working well. But in the windows side, drivers are always availiable unlike in linux where community needs to reverse engineer and make the drivers themselves, which is always late than windows.
The feeling is reciprocal.
Then feel free to fuck off.
You came in here and started this saying it's basically my fault I had a bad time with Fedora. Your condescending and pretentious attitude has been noted, but I'm a new user to Linux my man. None of this is familiar. As my day 2 and 3 posts show I can actually troubleshoot and fix things, if I couldn't figure it out, I'd say it's indicative of production and deployment issues on the developers end.
But please feel free to not respond, you're exactly the kind of Linux user that gives the community it's negative stigma.
I'll come back to this at the end.
I'm the OP of the post; you came in here.
It is/was.
I'll come back to this further down.
And evidently a very ignorant one at that. You come at it with preconceived notions of how distributions should work, and then get angry when they don't, when five minutes of googling could have prevented your problems. Only to be followed by troll-level low effort rants on the internet.
And blind trial and error is no good way to change that.
Or, your aforementioned ignorance and wrong preconceived notions of how you think things should work.
As your day 1 post shows, you have the attention span of a squirrel and frustration tolerance of a toddler. Your assumption, that your opinion on a distribution, after spending less than one day with it, has any merit or value is plain arrogant.
You can always walk away from this.
You are exactly the kind of person, why I'm in favor of something akin to a drivers license for computers.
There's nothing noteworthy about your arrogance, ignorance, lack of frustration tolerance and attention span.
Your opinions have the substance of a vacuum and structural integrity of a house of cards. Do yourself and "us" (the linux community) a favor and kindly fuck off yourself.
I need then butt plug.
Not accurate at all. As bare minimum, Ubuntu should be dildo as it only gives you a great experience without assembling any sex toys lol.