And you’ll finally get your sound working on your new laptop after weeks of messing with pulse audio and realizing you just needed to install sof-firmware but didn’t scroll far enough in the wiki to see that, but now your pulse audio config is so messed up it’s just easier to reinstall Arch again
Oh no bigs, just... Never heard of that hahaha. Good luck, hope you make something cool! Check out hackaday if you want some interesting user interface ideas, be they physical or digital
Hmmm, Greatly lower my risk of heart disease and parasites overall? Allow me to enjoy deep-frying and carbs guiltlessly? Make me feel like I can fight god and win?
I'm vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think "those vegans" live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.
PS: I've had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain't got time to fight the OS as well as my work.
I’ve met one or two. It’s like fine, it’s a major lifestyle change often associated with ethics that sets you aside from most of society. Many folks have a period of a few months to a year or two of being really annoying about shit like that. It happens with all sorts of folks: linux and arch users, freshly out queer people, people getting into polyamory, new converts to religions… frankly atheists and people who just converted to Christianity are the worst about it in my experience. And yeah these people are annoying. You’ve been annoying too I’m sure, we all have, it’s part of being a person and the people being annoying about these things are typically doing so at an age where some variant of that is a common experience
I've been annoying? I'VE BEEN ANNOYING?!? I take offense of your liberal use of the past tense, Captain.
I hear ya though. I guess I've been lucky in my interactions, but the memes make it seem like it's constant and ever present with vegans, and that doesn't match with my experience outside of the Internet.
This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren't vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I'm living in a fairy tale.
Part of being vegan is understanding you'll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.
I’ll never forget the first time I successfully installed arch and got my I3 set up juuust like I wanted it. It felt like I did something. It was great. Fuck you!
No way the Fedora user figured out how to configure partitions in the installer without having to google it at least five times! I've installed Fedora a few times over the years, and that UI still makes no sense to me!
Lol. I tried to google it too and i still am unable to define a custom home partition for my most recent Nobara install. Gave up and just let it automatically create what it needs.
Yeah for some reason whenever i try and install Ubuntu, the installer only sees the primary NVME drive if one is installed. Haven’t had that issue with any other distro
Huh. I had the complete opposite experience. I found fedora's manual partitioner to be the worst of any distro I've ever used (I had trouble understanding it and it always ended up giving me some weird error when trying to finalize the partitioning step). I think I just ended up ditching fedora's default manual partition manager.
Debian guy could have just downloaded the nonfree installer that includes some common wifi and other hardware firmwares. There are some pragmatists at Debian.
Well... Say that to my live USB I tried booting off of a machine with a very modern nVidia card. I had to create a new boot entry to disable nouveau and install nVidia proprietary graphics into a persistent partition.
I understand nVidia is shit, and doesn't play nice with others. But my point is - it's not always that easy. (I thought it would be! I lost many hours, and pulled out lots of hair!)
Not in the good old days. Back in 2000something I built a custom installer image with a backported kernel from testing and some firmware to get debian installed on a new laptop.
Agree but Debian is still damn manual compared to many Fedora quality of life improvements.
Meanwhile, removing snaps and replacing with flatpaks on a set up ubuntu system is crazy! All those loop mounts suddenly start showing up when snapd is gone
Me: "Yeah I need reliability for work and sometimes I just don't have time to repair stuff. Last time I was on rolling release some update fucked my system right before an important deadline"
Other person: "It wOn'T bReAk If YoU UndErStANd iT"
I'll have you know that I eat a vegetarian not vegan diet and I really don't have a man bun (got no hair for that) ...
The stickers on the laptop however really felt like you took a photo of my machine.
man I knew this was going to be rough when I saw him wearing a vegan shirt but god DAMN
"All Arch users are stupid vegan crossfitters who never shut up and contribute nothing to society and the only thing they ever care about is making their desktop look l33t and Arch is a horrible distro and did I mention all Arch users are stupid?"
Oh. My. Sides.
I switched from Ubuntu to Arch because I was sick of packages not compiling due to a complete lack of dependency management. I use stock KDE with zero frills and I spend most of my time hacking on open source projects. I never tell anyone what OS I use (unless they ask for recommendations for their new machine, and I'm prepared to also tell them why I personally prefer it) because they don't care. I'm a normal guy who keeps myself to myself and hates the people who think a pretty desktop is more important than a usable system just as much as everyone else.
However, I use Arch, and Arch bad, which means I must be the most annoying person on the planet.
oof i wish it was that easy. that's the simple version of what i spent the last 2 weeks doing. On Windows I'd consider myself a power user. I get a lot of work done, quickly, and besides that I would say I'm pretty tech literate over all. But arch is just ridiculously difficult to understand how to use unless you're already very familiar with linux. I feel like any wrong move i make is gonna break my setup. i got my comptia A+ , which while very basic, definitely goes to show I'm not some random luddite
I installed Linux mint on a trusty old thinkpad. Used it probably 5 times over the course of a year. Then installed arch on a newer T480s I received from work. I am a complete novice. It is literally that easy. You download the arch installer, follow the wiki on the 2 or 3 commands needed for internet, then type archinstall. Thats it. You literally dont even have to install anything else, especially if you choose desktop instead of minimal like I did. I have no idea what anyone is talking about it being difficult. Its easy.
Not that I remember finding any rules, so that's mostly just messing around; technically you can quickly setup your own mirrors in LAN, although I don't remember if that was done. Stuff was mostly about knowing what to type and blindly pre-typing next commands while previous are still in action
There are some minor choke points (restorecon if installing with a "dirty home" and installing RPMFusion), but yeah, otherwise it does a great job of staying out of your way.
For me it is, in so far as I'd see it as a personal failure if my contributions here failed to create at least some controversy and ruffled some feathers :P
You see, it's fun to poke things. Poking a pumpkin is funny for about 10 seconds. Poking a beehive on the other hand ... that has a certain thrill to it. Sure, one might get stung, but it keeps on giving for a long time.
Yeah but how many knew that? Context helps, I initially thought you were commenting on "if you tell everyone you're vegan, you're probably also the type to talk up arch".
Is this comic a useful contribution? It seems more divisive, made by someone who really concerns themselves with being part of an ingroup, vs anything meaningful.
Nope, I can run it on old potato with 3GB of RAM and i doubt i could run Ubuntu's full snaps flotila . They also remove the telemetry of Ubuntu. But AFAIK you can turn on snaps. The way i understand it Mint has these main goals : get rid of questionable Ubuntu things, keep it super stable, be welcoming to newcommers (like my none tech parents who never seen Linux could just use Mint outbox the box)
I've found Garuda pretty much gets you all the perks of Arch without the drawbacks and installs just as quickly as debian if not faster. And I love ancient Linux memes as much as anybody but neither Debian or fedora is much to write home about nowadays IMHO.
Endeavour is a great alternative IMHO, but Garuda's development is definitely more skewed towards gaming and comes with a lot preinstalled/preconfigured.
I'd say it's even more simple. Comes with stuff like snapper and zram preconfigured and a bunch of tools to do various things. I use their KDE lite version since I do not like their theme AT ALL.
The 32bit libtcmalloc_minimal.so.4 that all Source 1 games ship with needs to be updated. You can symlink it to your system's version to get TF2 running again. It's usually only a matter of time before it starts to effect more downstream distros.
The other problem I have with TF2 is queueing for casual just stops for no discernable reason or error every time, even if I'm not the party host. But then I come back later and it works again? Only real solution I've found is to have my friends queue without me and then join after they've found a match.
See, I did all that... and then audio broke. So, I couldn't anymore, man. I probably could've copied the install, kept it updated and held it for a resolution but I just don't demand that much from my builds anymore really. I went with Mint with XFCE and haven't had a single issue since install. I'm good. If it comes down to Ubuntu's base, a lot more eyes will be on the problem and I'll sort it out then.
When I started using Arch I just set it up on a btrfs filesystem and wrote a simple btrbk hook to take a snapshot before any package updates. That made it trivial to unfuck anything that broke after an update. I can't remember the last time I had to roll the system back but it's nice for peace of mind.
Start by playing with subvolumes and snapshots so you can get a feel for how they work. Once you've got that down you can break down your root filesystem into sensible subvolume chunks (/, /home, /var/log, /var/cache etc) so that you only snapshot relevant content during each update. I wrote a btrbk config at that point, tested it a few times and then wrote a pacman hook to fire it on install, update or package remove events and went from there.
Here's what I use to take snapshots - you'll need to write an appropriate btrbk config file for your subvolume layout but it's otherwise feature complete. https://gitlab.com/arglebargle-arch/btrbk-autosnap
Like I mentioned above, I haven't actually needed to roll the system back in ages but I get a lot of mileage out of being able to reach back in time and grab old versions of files for comparison.
Time shift is a lot easier if you're just starting out but it also requires a specific subvolume structure and isn't very flexible.
Edit: pro tip: don't make /var a separate subvolume from /, it's way, way, way too easy to roll one or the other (/ or /var) back without the other. If you do that by accident pacman's state becomes out of sync with the running system and everything breaks. Stick to splitting frequently rewritten data like /var/cache and /var/log off, leave /var itself in the root subvolume.
I feel like I keep posting this everywhere but there's a project called AstOS that attempts this. Also someone clued me in on this distro neutral solution. AshOS. Full disclosure I haven't used either.
It looks like solutions like these miss the whole point of what Nix is trying to do. Nix comes with the belief: "Unix has some fundamental issues, because it was designed in specific way. If we store things differently it works really well, and we even get those cool properties for free".
The authors of those projects instead of thinking "this looks interesting, and it is a paradigm shift but it might be worth to to try feel like Linux noob for some time and start thinking a bit differently how the file system is structured to see if this change is really worth it"
Instead it is: "I don't need to be PhD in Computer Science (whatever that means), here is how I can force this Nix feature or two on traditional Linux, with ansible, bubble gum and some duct tape and make it immutable-ish, which fails sometimes but, hey, it has the same feature on paper."
Well to be fair I think it's because they aren't trying to be NixOS. You could leverage those arguments against any distro that's trying out an immutable flavor. Which is mostly accomplished through btrfs features.
I agree that Nix/NixOS does a lot more and it's a genuinely impressive and paradigm shifting project but it does break with traditional Linux layouts and thinking in a way that immutability doesn't necessarily have to do.
You could also make the same argument with the systemd and non-systemd crowd.
Either way I look forward to the future of both immutability projects and NixOS. I feel like both areas still need a bit of work but they're both really exciting fields.
Well yeah obviously like NixOS. My reason for not using it is that they use a non standard Linux filesystem and it renders a # of packages I want to install incompatible.
I love it, because you can also get best out of both worlds in relation to the comic discusses. You can personalize OS to your liking, and the entire configuration is in a file, so you can redeploy the same setup again.
Just add rescue to kernel options (if you use GRUB, press e to edit it for the current boot) and it will boot into console from which you can do downgrade.
I've been considering dipping my toes in and trying to learn Linux for the first time recently, having seen a couple screenshots from Mint that look approachable and not intimidating.... Can somebody tell me how Mint would fair if it was included in this comic so I know what I'm getting myself into (or if I should try Fedora or something....)
Mint is hands down the easiest and most stable distro I have ever used. You don't need the terminal at all. Comes with everything necessary preconfigured and if you need any tutorial you can use any Ubuntu tutorial (its based on Ubuntu).
If you just want to get to using and enjoying an operating system without reveling in nerdery (which can be fun!), Mint is fantastic. Just make sure you understand partitioning basics if you want to install alongside Windows.
You can't go wrong using something like VirtualBox to try the install process without touching your actual system :).
If it were depicted in this comic, it would be even easier than Debian because it doesn't lean toward any particular extreme, it just goes for being usable.
I'm pretty sure there's a simple check box to include proprietary codecs and things that are commonly used, so you can still watch Netflix or open .mp4s and stuff.
Wide variety of drivers. Should just work on most systems. Friendly community if it doesn't!
That said sometimes the applications feel a bit old, and you're looking over at people playing with shiny new features in something like Blender or Krita...
Well, Mint has flatpaks built into the software store! Flatpak is basically a self-contained app that can be the latest version so it doesn't care about the rest of your system and "just works."
What's the process of switching distros? If I start with Mint but do decide later I'm enticed by those shiny new features, will switching over be akin to starting entirely over and learning a whole new system, or is it gonna more similar to just like reinstalling windows for a clean install (to use an analogy situation I'm familiar with)?
edit: wrote dispo instead of distro, goddamn stoner brain
Create a separate partition for /home so you can change distro without having to backup and restore the files in your home directory. Just be sure to NOT format that partition in the installer for your new distro. Take a backup anyways.
It's mostly a clean installation. You can copy the contents of your home directory, which is where personal configuration files are stored, in the hopes that some stuff will transfer, but surely that won't be complete.
You could also try dual booting, installing two OSes and you'd choose which to run at start up. You can configure these so that files on one are accessible from the other. This is pretty easy to do if you're even slightly tech savvy.
I've found that the shiney new features are usually buggy. If you're into helping improve things, using and fixing the new stuff is a great way to contribute. If you're reasonably tech savvy, you're going to be able to figure out any distribution. With few exceptions, they're all easy enough to use. I even doubt the portrayal of Arch in this comic. If you're not into developing stuff or just want to get your feet wet before diving in more, starting with Mint is easy. And it's also easy enough to switch or expand if you decide to try something different later. There's not a lot of lock in with Linux stuff.
Mint is a based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, so the guy on the left. The comic implies that it's easy but not quite as easy as Fedora. I would say that it is easier to use than Fedora.
Setup is simple and unless you've got something unusual going on on your computer, then everything will just work. Since it's based on Ubuntu, most Ubuntu information will also apply to Mint, and that's nice because there is a lot of information about Ubuntu.
Not everyone would care about this, but I personally don't like chasing updates and constantly installing the latest versions of things. All Debian distributions favor stability over cutting edge features, whereas some distributions are set up to try to get the latest changes quickly. Ubuntu leans very slightly toward cutting edge compared to stock Debian, but Ununtu has Long Term Support (LTS) releases which are supported for, I think, 5 years. Ubuntu also have other releases with shorter support times. If you're using Ubuntu and favor stability, you need to pay a little attention to what you're installing. Mint is based only on Ubuntu LTS releases, so Mint favors stability.
Cultural appropriation is a bullshit concept predominantly invoked by people not belonging to a culture who are not able to make valuable contributions to society.
My first real experience with installing/running Linux on my own machine back in the day was with Gentoo. My experience was basically the same as Arch guy there, except with the added step of compiling every single component from source. On a Celeron equipped laptop. Nobody warned me about that part.
It took fucking ages. I was stuck in textmode land with Matrix code flying up the screen for like three fucking days, before I even got to a shell prompt.
I did mine closer to 20 years ago, I'm guessing things might have changed a bit since then. That said I ran Gentoo on an IBM ThinkPad for about five years before switching to OSX.
I was in an IT school around 2012. I thought I was the only one using Linux besides Windows (predominantely though). I wasn't. He was daily-driving Gentoo where most of the students haven't even heard of Linux the kernel before confronted with a bash shell in a course.
I'd say in 2000 only the nerdiest people, academics or professionals knew the difference between say Red Hat or Gentoo at least here in Central Europe. Windows 95 (and 98) came pre-installed on every OEM PC and the best windows to that date (2000) would come out that year and I guess everybody was hyped for XP. Saying you are compiling your kernel and software yourself with GCC would have only got you puzzled faces instead of kudos in 2000 here.
For some reason, this didn't work on my old phone after installing PixelExperience 11 on it.
There's a third way. Bluetooth. At least you don't need a cable, and you'll save power.
For that reason, I usually use Bluetooth instead of Wi-Fi, unless I need higher bandwidth (except during peak hours of network usage, when my connection speed is below 1Mbps anyway).
Used archinstall too 3 years ago, btw. The result is still running with no noticeable performance degradation if not rather performance improvements. Games continue to get snappier and look better, I find.
Also it's stable af. Can coun't on one hand where I had to intervene on OS updates. On those only one case where I had a terminal after reboot. All were resolved within an hour or so. Driver updates for nvidia just run through. The only time I had to mess with them was when Valve rolled out Steam's new UI. That's when I learned about Arch's downgrade mechanism.
Did 2 manual i3 installs with BIOS boot mode and GRUB before I started using archinstall. I would bitterly fail with manually installing ESP/GPT/UEFI, Dual- and SystemD-boot, KDE, BTRFS, PipeWire. Used archinstall on a few PCs now and had 1 out of 4 where it wouldn't install. On the 1 archinstall-fail an EndeavourOS Jellyfin/Emulationstation is alive and rocking now.
Ubuntu, Mint or Fedora might be better for beginners than Arch-based but a colleague without prior linux knowledge installed it himself for work and seems to have no problems. The welcome dialogue with update-starter and notifier, package cleaner, arch news reader, nvidia-installer, logviewer, mirror ranking, and links to relevant topics is good stuff. IMO they should pre-install Octopi or Pamac instead of their rudimentary graphical package manager. Endeavour is as stable as Arch so far.
Edit: exchanged PulseAudio with PipeWire which is even better ofc
While RHEL and Fedora are siblings we can't mix em' like that. At least I haven't ever seen a server with Fedora pre-installed, or anyone offering support on a Fedora server...
We have a piece of fancy and expensive radio equipment in the office, the control part is a Fedora server, with precompiled binaries that run that piece of hardware. Every system library has frozen version, if you upgrade the OS the whole system stops working, and you just reinstall the disk image from the archive, and by reinstall I mean use dd to overwrite the hard drive partition from a supplied DVD.
Huh, at least it's Linux I guess? I've seen plenty Windows XP hanging around controlling expensive medical equipment and one time even a system were the control part was Windows 3.1. Air gapped not for security but because the server didn't have a NIC.
Basic kde install, I have it up in 30 min and then I never touch it again. Definitely better than a persistent full system lockup at the installer boot screen or installed system boot screen with no error logs.
It's probably either my 2070 super graphics card or my MSI x570 ace. Not worth the hassle of figuring out if I can't find a solution on Google.
I blame MSI because their software and bios was always janky. But hay, you gotta piss with the cock you got.
Yup. It's a very manual install that'll let you screw it up, so it's gained that reputation. But it really isn't bad if you follow the wiki (or have done it before).
That's only if you use an automated script, and only if it works. 'Default' install is almost entirely manual, other than letting pacman grab what it needs to.
Arch has been daily driver for years, I'm already familiar with the process. There's an option for a guided system. The default is a terminal with no guidance.
Installed fedora and then used distro box to have arch packages. It's like cheating but I can run packages that aren't in repo without the shit storm of the versioning.
Is absurd how aur is so good but base configuration sucks so much 🤣
Just restore a snapshot. Or just check which packages are gonna get updated. OR just don't update right before you have to do critical work.
If none of those work for you, then Arch isn't for you. That's fine too. I also sometimes get intrusive thoughts telling me to just go back to Mint. 😁
I think it's just a meme. I don't think people hate arch. Same thing happens with Ubuntu, but for being too easy to use/being the default linux distro (beyond Canonical and Snap). And yes, forums and wikis are amazing tools! Linux wouldn't be the same at all without them
archinstall
# btrfs
# user account in wheel
# install plasma-meta flatpak podman distrobox fish tmux konsole
# I guess thats it?
su $USERNAME && systemctl enable --now sddm
sudo sddm
# login
# Open Discover, install apps from Flathub
# install stuff from Arch repos
# install Ubuntu, Debian or Fedora packages with a fitting Distrobox, maybe root, to avoid weird AUR stuff breaking your system
I literally never used Arch and install took not very long after finding out what a chroot is and how to reboot from that.
Downvote for vegan. Thats just unnecessary bullying without getting the point. But I also dont know many "influencer hipsters" which are always annoying, no matter what they do
I want to see Debain users and Fedora users faces when they noticd they don't have access the AUR or PKGBUILDs.
I want to see them running sudo make install to install stuff from git.
Also reading the Arch wiki for so long is something new arch users probably do. I installed arch for tens of times btw and for me the system already runs with the installation media.
I am very sure no Debian or Fedora user is done after the installer finishes. Then comes the tricky part of the setup. The one that takes days. Adding ppas and making stuff work fedora doesn't package.
This process starts with arch right away. From the moment i chroot into my installation.
I actively maintain ~9 computers in my house running arch. Many of them have dual boot arch. E.g. one arch for work, one arch for everything else.
One arch for music production, one arch for everything rlse.
I run arch on my webserver. I run arch on my home sevrer. I run arch on my wifes gaming desktop. I run arch on my wifes laptop. I run arch on my kids netbook. i run arch on rasberry pi.
I am always a bit disapointed when I install debian every couple of years.
Like, after 1.5 hours, I am like "what, that was all?" Most of the stuff I need is installed by default, just add Jetbrains toolbox, install my ide, add a few more packages and git clone my current project.
no one's fucking downloading Arch to have a quick and easy OOTB experience, and no one's touching Fedora workstation for a lightweight and super tailored OS.
This is a strawman at best, and OP is full of shit.
It's funny how you completely missed the point. Isn't it an obvious satire portraying people who pretend to be better just because they use a specific distro?
portraying people who pretend to be better just because they use a specific distro
How exactly is your setup going to be better
it won't have all the bloat and will reflect who I really am
How the fuck is this satire? It's literally just shaming someone for having different priorities. Like the only attempts at "comedy" here are actually just going for low hanging fruit "I use arch BTW", the entire vegan t-shirt thing, the receding hairline.
Me being an arch using vegan with a man-bun makes this feel like a personal attack.
But once I get my new arch setup working I'll install gimp on it and create a meme making fun of you!
And you’ll finally get your sound working on your new laptop after weeks of messing with pulse audio and realizing you just needed to install sof-firmware but didn’t scroll far enough in the wiki to see that, but now your pulse audio config is so messed up it’s just easier to reinstall Arch again
Source: my life
Step 1: install pipewire
there is no step 2
Are you me?
Installing sound on Arch is really easy:
Do you also bike/lift?
Damn, sounds like a dream.
Veggie, Ubuntu, same otherwise but fuckin' C# for an Arduino??? Bruh.
Oh no bigs, just... Never heard of that hahaha. Good luck, hope you make something cool! Check out hackaday if you want some interesting user interface ideas, be they physical or digital
Check the arch wiki first if installing Gimp is going to bork your system.
Yeah, a long time ago, it's working great.
I just need to fix some drivers since I did an update yesterday.
I won't stand for the vegan bashing
ತ_ʖತ
You have elevated levels of stress hormone (and deserve it) if you eat animals, btw.
Then WTF did the plants do to you?
They know what they fucking did. They domesticated my species
Hmmm, Greatly lower my risk of heart disease and parasites overall? Allow me to enjoy deep-frying and carbs guiltlessly? Make me feel like I can fight god and win?
Vegans just casually setting up a class system upon which to value one life above others.
Cannibals are the real equalists. They don't discriminate on where their meat comes from and probably eat some veggies with their braised butt.
I respect the life of my vegetables as much as I respect the life of my meat, show me a vegan who says they do likewise and I'll show you a hypocrite.
I'm vegan for health reasons and I have yet to meat one of the infamous vegans the stereotype portrays. I ask questions, look for recipes, etc, and everyone has been super nice. I think "those vegans" live primarily on Twitter and Reddit.
PS: I've had a working Linux system in daily use since I started back with Red Hat Halloween and I prefer Debían based installs like Pop!_OS and Mint D. Nothing against Arch but I ain't got time to fight the OS as well as my work.
EDIT: The typo stays.
I’ve met one or two. It’s like fine, it’s a major lifestyle change often associated with ethics that sets you aside from most of society. Many folks have a period of a few months to a year or two of being really annoying about shit like that. It happens with all sorts of folks: linux and arch users, freshly out queer people, people getting into polyamory, new converts to religions… frankly atheists and people who just converted to Christianity are the worst about it in my experience. And yeah these people are annoying. You’ve been annoying too I’m sure, we all have, it’s part of being a person and the people being annoying about these things are typically doing so at an age where some variant of that is a common experience
I've been annoying? I'VE BEEN ANNOYING?!? I take offense of your liberal use of the past tense, Captain.
I hear ya though. I guess I've been lucky in my interactions, but the memes make it seem like it's constant and ever present with vegans, and that doesn't match with my experience outside of the Internet.
Surprisingly sane take, I forget sometimes that not everything on the internet is straight cynicism. Ty.
They're also on Lemmy. I haven't been here long, but I've already seen 2.
One is right here in another comment chain, lol
This is very likely my very environmentally influenced view, but I think there was a period of time where being vegan was a trend among the health hipsters, who weren't vegan due to ethics, but because either everyone else was doing it or because they claim it has massive health benefits like they did for paleo, keto or other diets. Those I think could indeed fit that stereotype. Or maybe I'm living in a fairy tale.
I’ll stand for it in your absence.
Part of being vegan is understanding you'll be mocked and criticized for completely unrelated things. Like Bubly sparkling water or blue denim, for example.
Do you do CrossFit™?
I know what you mean, I always sit down first.
Yeah, that's too much.
I eat chicken, btw.
Of course not. With the lack of iron and protein you need to complain while sitting.
-a vegetarian
Don't mock too much, that lack of B12 be sneaking up on us both lol
This dead horse is pulp by now
If we keep beating it for long enough, thermodynamics says it might spontaneously turn back into a horse.
And that horse will be using arch btw.
Freezer burned wooly mammoth goop.
So, like.. glue?
I use Arch, BTW.
I feed on your hatred.
I can feel your anger. It makes you stronger, gives you focus.
I’ll never forget the first time I successfully installed arch and got my I3 set up juuust like I wanted it. It felt like I did something. It was great. Fuck you!
Fuck you, too 😘
Needs a Steam Deck owner in the corner playing games, wearing headphones, and ignoring all questions.
I might have created this long before Steam Deck was a thing and just reposted it for fake internet points.
I feel called out
I love how "unbiased" it is and I'm not even an arch user.
Yah, I'm a huge fan of factual content. Biased people suck.
Not sure if ironic, or an incredible idiot.
Could be both. There's so many lunatics here, you can never be sure.
I don't use arch btw
No way the Fedora user figured out how to configure partitions in the installer without having to google it at least five times! I've installed Fedora a few times over the years, and that UI still makes no sense to me!
Lol I end up just opening gparted, do my stuff, then go and set the partitions in the installer
Lol. I tried to google it too and i still am unable to define a custom home partition for my most recent Nobara install. Gave up and just let it automatically create what it needs.
I just let it do partitioning automatically, or do it manually with GNOME Disks.
I switched a friend from Ubuntu to Fedora specifically because the partition setup during Fedora install is so good. (It was during a new build)
Yeah for some reason whenever i try and install Ubuntu, the installer only sees the primary NVME drive if one is installed. Haven’t had that issue with any other distro
Huh. I had the complete opposite experience. I found fedora's manual partitioner to be the worst of any distro I've ever used (I had trouble understanding it and it always ended up giving me some weird error when trying to finalize the partitioning step). I think I just ended up ditching fedora's default manual partition manager.
You just dont configure partitions, lol
Sounds like a you-problem.
Wtf?! No reason to get insulting.
Gentoo is still compiling
... still compiling ...
Kernel is done! Now Libreoffice!
Debian guy could have just downloaded the nonfree installer that includes some common wifi and other hardware firmwares. There are some pragmatists at Debian.
Also... It's included in all versions starting with Bookworm.
Well... Say that to my live USB I tried booting off of a machine with a very modern nVidia card. I had to create a new boot entry to disable nouveau and install nVidia proprietary graphics into a persistent partition.
I understand nVidia is shit, and doesn't play nice with others. But my point is - it's not always that easy. (I thought it would be! I lost many hours, and pulled out lots of hair!)
The boot entry is for secure boot. It would be required by any distro not just Debian.
It's not related to secure boot (I have that disabled) it's related to nouveu drivers not supporting the 4090 (yet)
Not in the good old days. Back in 2000something I built a custom installer image with a backported kernel from testing and some firmware to get debian installed on a new laptop.
Agree but Debian is still damn manual compared to many Fedora quality of life improvements.
Meanwhile, removing snaps and replacing with flatpaks on a set up ubuntu system is crazy! All those loop mounts suddenly start showing up when snapd is gone
before debian 12 though, it was kinda hard to find the nonfree netinstaller on their site
I actually encoutered this the other day.
Me: "Yeah I need reliability for work and sometimes I just don't have time to repair stuff. Last time I was on rolling release some update fucked my system right before an important deadline"
Other person: "It wOn'T bReAk If YoU UndErStANd iT"
._.
Anyway stable is awesome
Yep and that's why I refuse to use rolling distros. I don't need the latest update of everything to game. Give me a stable system any day instead.
Debian or openSUSE Leap for me.
Arch + BTRFS snapshots might be great. I am trying that out currently, but will probably just stay on Fedora Kinoite
I'll have you know that I eat a vegetarian not vegan diet and I really don't have a man bun (got no hair for that) ... The stickers on the laptop however really felt like you took a photo of my machine.
Also if it wasn't obvious I run arch
You eat vegetarians?
I prefer my meat grass-fed
The man bun is more of a mental thing. And, hey, I'm a vegetarian too according to the saying "you are what you eat".
man I knew this was going to be rough when I saw him wearing a vegan shirt but god DAMN
"All Arch users are stupid vegan crossfitters who never shut up and contribute nothing to society and the only thing they ever care about is making their desktop look l33t and Arch is a horrible distro and did I mention all Arch users are stupid?"
Oh. My. Sides.
I switched from Ubuntu to Arch because I was sick of packages not compiling due to a complete lack of dependency management. I use stock KDE with zero frills and I spend most of my time hacking on open source projects. I never tell anyone what OS I use (unless they ask for recommendations for their new machine, and I'm prepared to also tell them why I personally prefer it) because they don't care. I'm a normal guy who keeps myself to myself and hates the people who think a pretty desktop is more important than a usable system just as much as everyone else.
However, I use Arch, and Arch bad, which means I must be the most annoying person on the planet.
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Wtfff this guy knows a lot of Linux
But it installs so much bloat;!!!
If that's a first install, then sure. Otherwise... There was a speedrun installing arch under 2 min...
Might just be an old comic. The above was true a few years ago, but not so much anymore.
Yeah now its like archinstall, check some boxes, maybe google some packages to install at setup and you're done.
i installed endeavouros really quickly
oof i wish it was that easy. that's the simple version of what i spent the last 2 weeks doing. On Windows I'd consider myself a power user. I get a lot of work done, quickly, and besides that I would say I'm pretty tech literate over all. But arch is just ridiculously difficult to understand how to use unless you're already very familiar with linux. I feel like any wrong move i make is gonna break my setup. i got my comptia A+ , which while very basic, definitely goes to show I'm not some random luddite
What is ridiculously difficult to understand?
I installed Linux mint on a trusty old thinkpad. Used it probably 5 times over the course of a year. Then installed arch on a newer T480s I received from work. I am a complete novice. It is literally that easy. You download the arch installer, follow the wiki on the 2 or 3 commands needed for internet, then type archinstall. Thats it. You literally dont even have to install anything else, especially if you choose desktop instead of minimal like I did. I have no idea what anyone is talking about it being difficult. Its easy.
The fact that speedruns for installing Arch even exist kind of proves the point.
How does that work? Do they count user interaction time only by pausing the timer during package downloads?
Or do you need fast internet to play?
Not that I remember finding any rules, so that's mostly just messing around; technically you can quickly setup your own mirrors in LAN, although I don't remember if that was done. Stuff was mostly about knowing what to type and blindly pre-typing next commands while previous are still in action
Like you don't need to fix shit with Fedora
It's good but it's not left perfect
All my peripherals, NICs, and basic services worked out of the box. I had games up and running in fifteen minutes.
Mine's not technically stock fedora, but still.
Tbh I don't remember the last time I had to fix something on Fedora...
For me:
libvirt plugdevgroupslibavcodec-freeworldThere are some minor choke points (restorecon if installing with a "dirty home" and installing RPMFusion), but yeah, otherwise it does a great job of staying out of your way.
I've tried Arch before. I don't really remember it being a hassle. I've even installed Gentoo but never used it. Sabayon was the good shit.
omg I remember Sabayon! The theming was terrific on it
All the goodness of Gentoo with pacman and none of the pain! Nightly builds! BLEEDING EDGE.
Any place of discourse that incorporates the term 'master race' in its name is a place I give a wide berth.
Cringe "gamers" outing themselves even more easily?
Love how this has almost 80 dislikes (as of writing this), as if they actually took it personally 😂
For me it is, in so far as I'd see it as a personal failure if my contributions here failed to create at least some controversy and ruffled some feathers :P
You see, it's fun to poke things. Poking a pumpkin is funny for about 10 seconds. Poking a beehive on the other hand ... that has a certain thrill to it. Sure, one might get stung, but it keeps on giving for a long time.
I just don't like the unnecessary stab at vegans. Adds nothing to the joke except rehash 10 year old stereotypes.
That stab was necessitated by this existing: https://www.redbubble.com/i/t-shirt/I-use-Vegan-btw-by-Trollwut/42586279.NL9AC
Yeah but how many knew that? Context helps, I initially thought you were commenting on "if you tell everyone you're vegan, you're probably also the type to talk up arch".
Is this comic a useful contribution? It seems more divisive, made by someone who really concerns themselves with being part of an ingroup, vs anything meaningful.
Dunno man, it's a little... Mean spirited.
Nope, just pointing out the vegan dig is meh quality. Similar to some people's comments...
I did.
Context is for simple minded people.
Yes.
It entertained a lot of people.
Welcome to the linux community: united, yet splintered.
Meh. As a fedora user I'm on the right side.
That's an interesting way to express your tears of anger.
I'm a debian/Ubuntu/freebsd guy. So... Better luck next time with your guesses 🤭
Yeah man, if this is the general quality of humor, I'm unsubscribing from our friendship hahaha.
What guesses?
What friendship?
Go play with your snaps.
Anyone here remember when people would say "I use debian btw" ?
Isn't Mint kinda better Ubuntu these days? Could be worth the check if you are into Ubuntu.
Does Mint carry on the snap stuff? Usually I recommend POP!_OS for new users.
Nope, I can run it on old potato with 3GB of RAM and i doubt i could run Ubuntu's full snaps flotila . They also remove the telemetry of Ubuntu. But AFAIK you can turn on snaps. The way i understand it Mint has these main goals : get rid of questionable Ubuntu things, keep it super stable, be welcoming to newcommers (like my none tech parents who never seen Linux could just use Mint outbox the box)
I've found Garuda pretty much gets you all the perks of Arch without the drawbacks and installs just as quickly as debian if not faster. And I love ancient Linux memes as much as anybody but neither Debian or fedora is much to write home about nowadays IMHO.
Endeavour is a great alternative IMHO, but Garuda's development is definitely more skewed towards gaming and comes with a lot preinstalled/preconfigured.
I'd say it's even more simple. Comes with stuff like snapper and zram preconfigured and a bunch of tools to do various things. I use their KDE lite version since I do not like their theme AT ALL.
It doesn't come with a cool gamer theme out of the box 😎😎
Almost none
I quit using Arch after about ten years of using it because Team Fortress 2 quit working and none of the resolutions on protondb fixed my issue.
Priorities, people.
The 32bit
libtcmalloc_minimal.so.4that all Source 1 games ship with needs to be updated. You can symlink it to your system's version to get TF2 running again. It's usually only a matter of time before it starts to effect more downstream distros.The other problem I have with TF2 is queueing for casual just stops for no discernable reason or error every time, even if I'm not the party host. But then I come back later and it works again? Only real solution I've found is to have my friends queue without me and then join after they've found a match.
See, I did all that... and then audio broke. So, I couldn't anymore, man. I probably could've copied the install, kept it updated and held it for a resolution but I just don't demand that much from my builds anymore really. I went with Mint with XFCE and haven't had a single issue since install. I'm good. If it comes down to Ubuntu's base, a lot more eyes will be on the problem and I'll sort it out then.
Honestly this is the reason I want an immutable build of Arch like NixOS.
Let me roll back my mistakes and I could live more happily with rolling release.
When I started using Arch I just set it up on a btrfs filesystem and wrote a simple btrbk hook to take a snapshot before any package updates. That made it trivial to unfuck anything that broke after an update. I can't remember the last time I had to roll the system back but it's nice for peace of mind.
That’s quite clever, are there any guides for getting that set up? I’m using btrfs but haven’t gotten into snapshotting yet.
Start by playing with subvolumes and snapshots so you can get a feel for how they work. Once you've got that down you can break down your root filesystem into sensible subvolume chunks (
/,/home,/var/log,/var/cacheetc) so that you only snapshot relevant content during each update. I wrote a btrbk config at that point, tested it a few times and then wrote a pacman hook to fire it on install, update or package remove events and went from there.Here's what I use to take snapshots - you'll need to write an appropriate btrbk config file for your subvolume layout but it's otherwise feature complete. https://gitlab.com/arglebargle-arch/btrbk-autosnap
Like I mentioned above, I haven't actually needed to roll the system back in ages but I get a lot of mileage out of being able to reach back in time and grab old versions of files for comparison.
Time shift is a lot easier if you're just starting out but it also requires a specific subvolume structure and isn't very flexible.
Edit: pro tip: don't make
/vara separate subvolume from/, it's way, way, way too easy to roll one or the other (/ or /var) back without the other. If you do that by accident pacman's state becomes out of sync with the running system and everything breaks. Stick to splitting frequently rewritten data like /var/cache and /var/log off, leave /var itself in the root subvolume.Timeshift, Timeshift auto-snap, and btrfs in the grub menu to have your snapshots there, too. Auto-snap takes a snapshot automatically whenever you upgrade or install some packages.
I feel like I keep posting this everywhere but there's a project called AstOS that attempts this. Also someone clued me in on this distro neutral solution. AshOS. Full disclosure I haven't used either.
I'm looking to reload my daily driver and there's just not enough support for that.
Oh totally fair, it doesn't have a huge maintainer base for sure. But it'll never be anyone's daily driver if no one knows about it.
It looks like solutions like these miss the whole point of what Nix is trying to do. Nix comes with the belief: "Unix has some fundamental issues, because it was designed in specific way. If we store things differently it works really well, and we even get those cool properties for free".
The authors of those projects instead of thinking "this looks interesting, and it is a paradigm shift but it might be worth to to try feel like Linux noob for some time and start thinking a bit differently how the file system is structured to see if this change is really worth it"
Instead it is: "I don't need to be PhD in Computer Science (whatever that means), here is how I can force this Nix feature or two on traditional Linux, with ansible, bubble gum and some duct tape and make it immutable-ish, which fails sometimes but, hey, it has the same feature on paper."
Well to be fair I think it's because they aren't trying to be NixOS. You could leverage those arguments against any distro that's trying out an immutable flavor. Which is mostly accomplished through btrfs features.
I agree that Nix/NixOS does a lot more and it's a genuinely impressive and paradigm shifting project but it does break with traditional Linux layouts and thinking in a way that immutability doesn't necessarily have to do.
You could also make the same argument with the systemd and non-systemd crowd.
Either way I look forward to the future of both immutability projects and NixOS. I feel like both areas still need a bit of work but they're both really exciting fields.
You mean like nixos-unstable, the rolling release channel of NixOS?
Well yeah obviously like NixOS. My reason for not using it is that they use a non standard Linux filesystem and it renders a # of packages I want to install incompatible.
In that case, couldn't you just use something like btrfs snapshots + Timeshift to pull this off?
Yeah you could put some together I think, possibly with OverlayFS as well.
I feel like the value those distros add is not just the rolling mechanism but the package manager being tied into it.
So you just use the package manager like any other and it works.
Which packages?
I ended up packaging the thing myself, actually. The best part is my pull request was approved and I was able to contribute my work
I love it, because you can also get best out of both worlds in relation to the comic discusses. You can personalize OS to your liking, and the entire configuration is in a file, so you can redeploy the same setup again.
You can downgrade packages on arch too via
downgrade.If your pc still boots.
Just add
rescueto kernel options (if you use GRUB, presseto edit it for the current boot) and it will boot into console from which you can dodowngrade.https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/snapper
I've been considering dipping my toes in and trying to learn Linux for the first time recently, having seen a couple screenshots from Mint that look approachable and not intimidating.... Can somebody tell me how Mint would fair if it was included in this comic so I know what I'm getting myself into (or if I should try Fedora or something....)
edit: typo
Mint is hands down the easiest and most stable distro I have ever used. You don't need the terminal at all. Comes with everything necessary preconfigured and if you need any tutorial you can use any Ubuntu tutorial (its based on Ubuntu).
You can dip your toes and have a basic Linux desktop to play with up and running in 10 minutes (less if you know what you are doing).
It will run in a virtual environment within windows (assuming you're running 10 or 11).
So you don't risk anything relating to disk partitioning.
And you can always start it when you have a few mins to play with it without closing down everything else you're working on.
Not mint though. Ubuntu desktop which is I think is also pretty relaxed.
See here basic instructions
If you just want to get to using and enjoying an operating system without reveling in nerdery (which can be fun!), Mint is fantastic. Just make sure you understand partitioning basics if you want to install alongside Windows.
You can't go wrong using something like VirtualBox to try the install process without touching your actual system :).
If it were depicted in this comic, it would be even easier than Debian because it doesn't lean toward any particular extreme, it just goes for being usable.
I'm pretty sure there's a simple check box to include proprietary codecs and things that are commonly used, so you can still watch Netflix or open .mp4s and stuff.
Wide variety of drivers. Should just work on most systems. Friendly community if it doesn't!
That said sometimes the applications feel a bit old, and you're looking over at people playing with shiny new features in something like Blender or Krita...
Well, Mint has flatpaks built into the software store! Flatpak is basically a self-contained app that can be the latest version so it doesn't care about the rest of your system and "just works."
Hope you enjoy it! :)
What's the process of switching distros? If I start with Mint but do decide later I'm enticed by those shiny new features, will switching over be akin to starting entirely over and learning a whole new system, or is it gonna more similar to just like reinstalling windows for a clean install (to use an analogy situation I'm familiar with)?
edit: wrote dispo instead of distro, goddamn stoner brain
Create a separate partition for /home so you can change distro without having to backup and restore the files in your home directory. Just be sure to NOT format that partition in the installer for your new distro. Take a backup anyways.
It's mostly a clean installation. You can copy the contents of your home directory, which is where personal configuration files are stored, in the hopes that some stuff will transfer, but surely that won't be complete.
You could also try dual booting, installing two OSes and you'd choose which to run at start up. You can configure these so that files on one are accessible from the other. This is pretty easy to do if you're even slightly tech savvy.
I've found that the shiney new features are usually buggy. If you're into helping improve things, using and fixing the new stuff is a great way to contribute. If you're reasonably tech savvy, you're going to be able to figure out any distribution. With few exceptions, they're all easy enough to use. I even doubt the portrayal of Arch in this comic. If you're not into developing stuff or just want to get your feet wet before diving in more, starting with Mint is easy. And it's also easy enough to switch or expand if you decide to try something different later. There's not a lot of lock in with Linux stuff.
Same as Fedora in this comic
Mint is a based on Ubuntu, which is based on Debian, so the guy on the left. The comic implies that it's easy but not quite as easy as Fedora. I would say that it is easier to use than Fedora.
Setup is simple and unless you've got something unusual going on on your computer, then everything will just work. Since it's based on Ubuntu, most Ubuntu information will also apply to Mint, and that's nice because there is a lot of information about Ubuntu.
Not everyone would care about this, but I personally don't like chasing updates and constantly installing the latest versions of things. All Debian distributions favor stability over cutting edge features, whereas some distributions are set up to try to get the latest changes quickly. Ubuntu leans very slightly toward cutting edge compared to stock Debian, but Ununtu has Long Term Support (LTS) releases which are supported for, I think, 5 years. Ubuntu also have other releases with shorter support times. If you're using Ubuntu and favor stability, you need to pay a little attention to what you're installing. Mint is based only on Ubuntu LTS releases, so Mint favors stability.
Just run CentOS and call it a day
I use Artix btw
Same, I use Cinnamon
nice! i used to use openrc artix with kde
kubuntu
Nice!
I started using EndeavourOS which is pretty close to Arch with a better installer. Uses their repos unlike Manjaro.
Friends don't let friends use Manjaro
What the guy on the right is doing seems like cultural appropriation of trans catgirl culture.
Meow
Cultural appropriation is a bullshit concept predominantly invoked by people not belonging to a culture who are not able to make valuable contributions to society.
Wow. What an idiotic thing to say.
Also: Good job to not getting the joke.
Who hurt you?
You did.
I did?
Your idiot take on cultural appropriation made my brain hurt.
Oh you poor poor thing. Here, have some cotton to bed yourself into:
Well said
It's not a religion it's an ethnicity. Us penguins have to stick together. ...
Whispers: When is the next avian fury convention?
My first real experience with installing/running Linux on my own machine back in the day was with Gentoo. My experience was basically the same as Arch guy there, except with the added step of compiling every single component from source. On a Celeron equipped laptop. Nobody warned me about that part.
It took fucking ages. I was stuck in textmode land with Matrix code flying up the screen for like three fucking days, before I even got to a shell prompt.
I gave up. I just run Debian now.
After you've done Linux from scratch, Gentoo is a walk in the park
I should maybe attempt that at some point.
But knowing my brain, I'll just forget everything 0.4 seconds after I am done.
I did mine closer to 20 years ago, I'm guessing things might have changed a bit since then. That said I ran Gentoo on an IBM ThinkPad for about five years before switching to OSX.
I remember back in 2000s Gentoo was a distro you got cred for being able to install.
I was in an IT school around 2012. I thought I was the only one using Linux besides Windows (predominantely though). I wasn't. He was daily-driving Gentoo where most of the students haven't even heard of Linux the kernel before confronted with a bash shell in a course.
I'd say in 2000 only the nerdiest people, academics or professionals knew the difference between say Red Hat or Gentoo at least here in Central Europe. Windows 95 (and 98) came pre-installed on every OEM PC and the best windows to that date (2000) would come out that year and I guess everybody was hyped for XP. Saying you are compiling your kernel and software yourself with GCC would have only got you puzzled faces instead of kudos in 2000 here.
Debian guy could have saved time by connecting to lan after boot and installing the wifi package directly.
Or for laptops with no Ethernet, USB-tether a phone.
I completely forgot there are laptops with no lan port now.
NOT IN THIS HOUSE THERE AREN'T, YOUNG MAN!
For some reason, this didn't work on my old phone after installing PixelExperience 11 on it.
There's a third way. Bluetooth. At least you don't need a cable, and you'll save power.
For that reason, I usually use Bluetooth instead of Wi-Fi, unless I need higher bandwidth (except during peak hours of network usage, when my connection speed is below 1Mbps anyway).
Happened to me a few times already that the ethernet drivers are unfree.
WHAT?! I would have never guessed that. Lan has always seemed to be the one part that’s dependable, no matter what’s booting.
Last time was the integrated lan card in an MSI motherboard if I remember correctly.
*shakes fist at heaven*
Damned thou shalt be, Atheros gigabit ethernet chip!
Or installed Bookworm.
Guess it depends on hardware, I still had to add the wifi driver for bookworm.
When I first tried to install Arch, I gave up when I got confused with the documentation for an encrypted install.
But since I've discovered archinstall, it's a dream to do and arguably faster to install than other distros.
Used archinstall too 3 years ago, btw. The result is still running with no noticeable performance degradation if not rather performance improvements. Games continue to get snappier and look better, I find.
Also it's stable af. Can coun't on one hand where I had to intervene on OS updates. On those only one case where I had a terminal after reboot. All were resolved within an hour or so. Driver updates for nvidia just run through. The only time I had to mess with them was when Valve rolled out Steam's new UI. That's when I learned about Arch's downgrade mechanism.
Did 2 manual i3 installs with BIOS boot mode and GRUB before I started using archinstall. I would bitterly fail with manually installing ESP/GPT/UEFI, Dual- and SystemD-boot, KDE, BTRFS, PipeWire. Used archinstall on a few PCs now and had 1 out of 4 where it wouldn't install. On the 1 archinstall-fail an EndeavourOS Jellyfin/Emulationstation is alive and rocking now.
Ubuntu, Mint or Fedora might be better for beginners than Arch-based but a colleague without prior linux knowledge installed it himself for work and seems to have no problems. The welcome dialogue with update-starter and notifier, package cleaner, arch news reader, nvidia-installer, logviewer, mirror ranking, and links to relevant topics is good stuff. IMO they should pre-install Octopi or Pamac instead of their rudimentary graphical package manager. Endeavour is as stable as Arch so far.
Edit: exchanged PulseAudio with PipeWire which is even better ofc
Only ever recorded instance of hat-wearing Linux user saying “I’m in” and not meaning an access acquisition
Arch has an awesome installer now so this is pretty dated.
Yeah all the most popular distros have basically been next>next>done since 2010 minimum on most hardware.
Old comic
And inaccurate
Just plain illegible
Yes.
You don't install Fedora. You buy a server with pre-installed Fedora and a three-year support contract.
You don't care about updates. You don't care if it breaks. You just get a replacement server, covered by a contract.
You really shouldn't run fedora on production servers.
While RHEL and Fedora are siblings we can't mix em' like that. At least I haven't ever seen a server with Fedora pre-installed, or anyone offering support on a Fedora server...
We have a piece of fancy and expensive radio equipment in the office, the control part is a Fedora server, with precompiled binaries that run that piece of hardware. Every system library has frozen version, if you upgrade the OS the whole system stops working, and you just reinstall the disk image from the archive, and by reinstall I mean use dd to overwrite the hard drive partition from a supplied DVD.
Huh, at least it's Linux I guess? I've seen plenty Windows XP hanging around controlling expensive medical equipment and one time even a system were the control part was Windows 3.1. Air gapped not for security but because the server didn't have a NIC.
You think a Gentoo user would appear in a comic with a graphical interface?
It takes an extra 16 months of work or so, but you can technically get a GUI working in Gentoo.
/s
You just made me choke on tea. I hope you're proud
I'm using Debian, btw
This is why I switched from Slackware, it could run in a toaster but by the time I had setup a 5 button mouse others were already doing things.
It's great for learning tho.
Void Linux supreme light and efficient distro. But I really like Debian and Fedora too.
You are going to love my next contribution.
"contribution". 🤭
But... Endeavour though
EndeavourOS gang rise up 🤘
Basic kde install, I have it up in 30 min and then I never touch it again. Definitely better than a persistent full system lockup at the installer boot screen or installed system boot screen with no error logs.
It's probably either my 2070 super graphics card or my MSI x570 ace. Not worth the hassle of figuring out if I can't find a solution on Google.
I blame MSI because their software and bios was always janky. But hay, you gotta piss with the cock you got.
Maybe Debian guy and Fedora guy should get a room. Btw.
You can join btw :P
In a bit, still picking aur helper, it's harder than it looks since the community switches favorite every month.
Arch User: If CrossFit Used Linux
I don't remember installing arch. Hm. Can't have been a big hassle. Is this some kind of meta meme?
Yup. It's a very manual install that'll let you screw it up, so it's gained that reputation. But it really isn't bad if you follow the wiki (or have done it before).
That's only if you use an automated script, and only if it works. 'Default' install is almost entirely manual, other than letting pacman grab what it needs to.
Arch has been daily driver for years, I'm already familiar with the process. There's an option for a guided system. The default is a terminal with no guidance.
My favorite part about Linux users is that they'll just assume you have no idea what you're talking about even if you've been using it for years.
Installed fedora and then used distro box to have arch packages. It's like cheating but I can run packages that aren't in repo without the shit storm of the versioning. Is absurd how aur is so good but base configuration sucks so much 🤣
BSD users standing outside, face pressed against the glass, gently weeping.
For shits and giggles I actually used NetBSD as a daily driver for ~1 year on my laptop while studying.
Yes, a tear of joy.
cries in broadcom wireless card not supported
And I'll keep using it
Chill the horse is already dead.
I use arch btw.I had to do itSlackware users... You young kids, pffft.
All this work just to end using systemd lol
Just restore a snapshot. Or just check which packages are gonna get updated. OR just don't update right before you have to do critical work.
If none of those work for you, then Arch isn't for you. That's fine too. I also sometimes get intrusive thoughts telling me to just go back to Mint. 😁
I'm vegan btw
Brave little lightning rod we've got here, eh? You must also use Arch!!! (Just playing)
I actually do use arch haha Also this user has died due to protein deficiency
It's weird how much people hate on arch. I'm a Ubuntu/debian guy, but the arch wiki has helped me a few times for sure.
I think it's just a meme. I don't think people hate arch. Same thing happens with Ubuntu, but for being too easy to use/being the default linux distro (beyond Canonical and Snap). And yes, forums and wikis are amazing tools! Linux wouldn't be the same at all without them
That's hilarious 😂
It's been almost 9 years collecting memes hahaha
Don't use plain Debian, use MX Linux to have full up to date everything
I think the point of using Debian is to not have that
True but that's mainly why I don't use debian
Don't use MX Linux, use plain debian to have full stable everything*.
^*stable ^bugs ^included
Edit: aw man, there's no reddit style superscript here. Just imagine the fine print.
^stable^ ^bugs^ ^included^
surround each word with ^
Well, the first half of that sucked. Assuming the second half does as well.
Difference is the arch user can probably land a six figure job now.
And now back to reality:
Step 1) Install EndeavourOS Step 2) There is none.
I'm currently using Manjaro ARM, and it feels cool
I am a vegan with a man bun IRL, but I use Fedora.
I literally never used Arch and install took not very long after finding out what a chroot is and how to reboot from that.
Downvote for vegan. Thats just unnecessary bullying without getting the point. But I also dont know many "influencer hipsters" which are always annoying, no matter what they do
Arch. The best OS for installing Linux. The worst OS for using Linux. :)
I shouldn't be so mean, I use EndeavourOS BTW. But it definitely needs more care than a Fedora or a Debian.
I would like this comic done by an arch user.
I want to see Debain users and Fedora users faces when they noticd they don't have access the AUR or PKGBUILDs.
I want to see them running sudo make install to install stuff from git.
Also reading the Arch wiki for so long is something new arch users probably do. I installed arch for tens of times btw and for me the system already runs with the installation media.
I am very sure no Debian or Fedora user is done after the installer finishes. Then comes the tricky part of the setup. The one that takes days. Adding ppas and making stuff work fedora doesn't package.
This process starts with arch right away. From the moment i chroot into my installation.
I actively maintain ~9 computers in my house running arch. Many of them have dual boot arch. E.g. one arch for work, one arch for everything else. One arch for music production, one arch for everything rlse. I run arch on my webserver. I run arch on my home sevrer. I run arch on my wifes gaming desktop. I run arch on my wifes laptop. I run arch on my kids netbook. i run arch on rasberry pi.
btw.
This comment reads like your man bun is trembling in rage.
Why are Arch users always so angry?
I am always a bit disapointed when I install debian every couple of years.
Like, after 1.5 hours, I am like "what, that was all?" Most of the stuff I need is installed by default, just add Jetbrains toolbox, install my ide, add a few more packages and git clone my current project.
Edit: autocorrect changed git to it
no one's fucking downloading Arch to have a quick and easy OOTB experience, and no one's touching Fedora workstation for a lightweight and super tailored OS.
This is a strawman at best, and OP is full of shit.
It's funny how you completely missed the point. Isn't it an obvious satire portraying people who pretend to be better just because they use a specific distro?
You're right of course. Yet, fedora users actually are better.
Can't argue much as a Fedora user myself :)
How the fuck is this satire? It's literally just shaming someone for having different priorities. Like the only attempts at "comedy" here are actually just going for low hanging fruit "I use arch BTW", the entire vegan t-shirt thing, the receding hairline.
I am so so sorry for you. Life must be really hard if your humor is a potato.
Don't talk to me.
No, you don't talk to me!
I'm sorry, I just changed that by having a good dump.
Writing from the toilet btw.
It's rare to see toilet users in the wild.
I'm a toilet user BTW.
Arch user btw /s