Ohio Republicans Refuse To Accept Election Results, Claim Abortion Bans Will Remain
Days after Ohio voters passed Issue 1 and codified abortion rights into Ohio's constitution, Republicans are not accepting the election results.
In a new, unhinged press release issued by the Ohio House Republican Committee, GOP members rant that "foreign billionaires" impacted the election results and call the results tainted by so-called "foreign interference." It is unclear what they are referring to.
Ohio voters overwhelmingly voted 'Yes' on Issue 1 by a margin of 56.6% to 43.4%.
The press release further argues that the results of the election do not invalidate a 6-week abortion ban previously passed by the Ohio Legislature and that "no amendment can overturn the God given rights with which we were born."
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"no amendment can overturn the God given rights with which we were born."
...so, no birth no problem then?
The really weird part was this:
I mean I know that they love to mix things together, but this might be the first time I’ve seen abortion linked to pedophilia and supporting rapists.
It's just buzz phrase salad that they serve with every issue. Biden=pedo, immigrants=rapists, trans=rapist, abortion=trafficking, literally any issue=just add a,b, or c for justification. It's a tired recipe, but their customers enjoy it.
And they would be laughed out of court and into prison. It's not the fault of the law if someone reads it and understands it to mean something it doesn't say.
It doesn't have any language repealing pedophilia laws. Just for clarity.
What a fucking ridiculous stretch. Conservatives are deranged.
I don't see this part as vague as all.
Your own, not someone elses. If you're a kiddy diddler abusing a child, then you're affecting their reproductive decisions since they are under the age of consent. That defense isn't covered under this amendment. So it would go through the courts as normal. Hopefully ending in a lifetime sentence.
The interpretation of the law is up to the judicial branch and any judge who sides with the pedophile in this case is kissing his career goodbye.
I'm pretty sure they meant that line as a reference to their own god-given right to impose their will on everyone else.
It’s really funny when they whine about outside money. I didn’t see the GOP up in arms as Citizens United passed, I don’t see them upset when they SuperPACs give money to their campaigns so it seems they only care when it affects them, big fucking shocker there….
What type of foreign interference gives a flying fuck about Ohio specifically having abortions? It's such an unhinged thing to think foreigners would care about. But these same foreign bodies just snoozed through Ohio going mostly Red the past 6ish years?
Something something George Soros
Soros is an American citizen, not that this would stop them.
I mean foreign influence was the story of 2016. It was comicly obvious.
I have some shit to say about Trump and Russian influence. Think they want to have that conversation?
They would say:
"Now, if your states blue
And you don't know where to go to
Why don't you go where fascist sits
Putin on the Ritz"
Please proceed.
You just got pounded at the polls over this issue. Please keep the rage levels high.
"Let your enemy continue to fuck themselves in the ass."
~ Sun Tsu (paraphrased)
"We have not even begun to fuck ourselves!"
-Winston Churchill, via Last Week Tonight
They will proceed, that's the whole idea: proceed until they are stopped.
Pay attention, people. Recognize who you need to vote for in 2024 to preserve the rights that YOU HAVE ALREADY VOTED FOR..
They already set the stage to ignore the election results next year. Look at how many STILL think the 2020 election results were stolen. They're either enacting laws to overturn the future results they didn't like or commandeer the offices that handle elections to ignore them.
This time next year will be a very dangerous time for the United States. Even if every sane Republican voter, who recognizes the dangers proposed, votes for a Democrat, it may not even matter. I'm not looking forward to it...
Yeah, I don't think most people truly grok how pivotal this is going to be. Yeah, they may say the whole "this is the most important election of your life" like they say every time (and it has been every time, unfortunately), but I don't know how many people truly understand what's coming.
That's why they haven't stopped saying it about 2020. Repeat a lie enough and it becomes true...
Nah. It's hard to ignore an election in the US because the one thing Americans hate is feeling impotent.
WTF America. Don't you have some sort of neutral House Constable with powers to kick out these idiots in cases like this? How can they just ignore official results without consequence?
It sounds like there needs to be a bottom-to-top reform of the law where every 'norm' that used to be assumed, gets new enforceable law to back it up.
No, we have an impartial judiciary system that...... oh wait...
The Republicans think they have a right to rule us without our consent. Sooner or later the military may have to get involved.
Most military members are actually conservative. If we get to that point we're in big trouble.
The JCoS may be largely conservative but we have to hope they love America enough to fight for it in its intended form as a democracy rather than the fascist ethnostate the republicans want
It's a wild card, I'm not saying otherwise. The alternative though, could very well be a right wing authoritarian take over. My hope is enough of these guys saw Iraq or Afghanistan to know what it would look like.
Why do you think Tuberville is holding 400+ appointments hostage until the GOP likely takes the senate back?
It’s part of project 2025 to have insurrectionists in the millitary who would support a theocratic coup
Conservative or not, those of us who served, and didn't just sit behind a desk, know the oath we took. I think you would be surprised how many service members hold that shit in higher regard than a politician's butthurt response to election results.
The military is full of poor people. What do think will happen if you start turning them on their own families?
Not saying youre wrong but makes as much sense as your "actually conservative" theory.
It's been 6 hours. You might wait for the process to unfold.
There is no neutral role, everything can be made partisan.
If the people don't like the actions of an elected official, they can either try to vote them out in the next election or try to force a recall and replace them.
"No election can overturn our god given right to ignore your rights"
The federal Constitution prevents any state from recalling a member of congress, so your federal reps can not be recalled legally. They would have to be expelled from within the congress, you get to vote and thats it.
Our only recourse is the voters. You see how well that is going.
Don't shrug your shoulders and say "I guess we'll wait until the next election." They have shown what they think of election results.
Take note of how the French do things and fucking protest!
Articles like this are just to make republican voters stop crying. Give them hope while also selling a news article.
Abortion rights will go in effect, and the election results will stay.
Based on what? This wouldn't be the first time Republicans ignored a constitutional amendment and got away with it.
Exactly.
These chucklefucks got elected on conservative social repression. Now that it's been rejected, this is a desperate plea to their base not to primary them out next term.
Tar and feathers are neutral parties.
The party of Lincoln sure doesn't seem like they want a Government of the people, by the people, and for the people.
The most worrying part of this press release is the part where they're saying they're going to try and reign in the powers of the judiciary to enforce the abortion amendment. Sure sounds a lot like fascism to me.
Funny thing, it also looks, smells and feels like it too! I wonder why that is? Please don’t ask me to taste it.
Hey those brave men voted very valiantly on the beaches of Normandy that day!!
No, this is just normal dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. You're just more politically aware now.
I'm sure some of their Republican voters will be thrilled to hear that...
Oh by the way, I thought the GOP were about state rights?
Not long ago I read the best explanation of conservative brain cancer ever. If you look at everything they say and do through this lens, it all actually makes sense. It's insanity, but it does make sense internally.
"I get to tell you what to do; you do not get to tell me what to do."
That's it. That's their insane logic. They can't even elucidate it, but they all follow it.
Exactly. Republican legislators want to rule you, not represent you.
And religious fanaticism is the best vehicle to get that control
They are about their power and their control. Nothing else.
L'etat c'est moi.
They believe that they are the state, and that they should have absolute authority to rule over the residents without any federal government oversight.
Why do they hate freedom and democracy so much?
Freedom for me, not for thee.
This is their way of admitting to using foreign interference in our upcoming elections.
So about those pizza parlors...
I bet Matt Gaetz likes pizza maybe he knows.
I hate the scapegoating of "foreign interference"
It is like saying the problem is Jewish capitalists instead of capitalists
The problem is the legalized buying of elections not that .2 percent of the buy was from scary foreigners.
"You lost. Get over it." -- Republicans, 2016
Hey Republicans. Prove your specific god exists, and I'll recognize that you have god-given rights.
In the meantime, we have real, objective proof that you lost and need to STFU.
Sounds like they wanna take our freedoms. Hey, didn't we go to literal fucking war over that once or twice?
Supreme court here we come..... oh no....
Issues of State law go to the State supreme court.
Sometimes the Federal court butts in, but those cases are rare.
But this is the sort of reason the USSC was stacked the way it was.
As right-wing as they are, they've made a few good calls.
Here go one:
https://www.npr.org/2023/09/26/1200906844/supreme-court-alabama-voting-case
I'm guessing any Ohio Republican that gets this case in front of this court would have his ass handed to him.
By a 5-4 margin, which is terrifying when you realize 44% of the court is totally cool with racist gerrymandering
I'm pretty sure after writing his Bible, Jesus spent several weeks consulting at Wharton really locking down the supply side theory.
Yes someone posted this on Lemmy so now I can say what I want…
….maybe someone needs to revoke their license to living?
If they want to rule like kings than they can be treated as such
We watch while another group tries to overthrow
antwo elections.Can the legislature be forced to follow the people's mandate by law enforcement? We seriously need to pass laws that jail legislators who fail to act in a timely manner on the peoples will
You don't have to wait for law enforcement to do it.
Yeah, just call and tell them what you think. Then eventually vote based on their response.
Our system of government has issues but basically gives us the government we ask for. If the people of Ohio vote these representatives out, the problem with be solved.
What alternative are you suggesting?
Hahaha, sounds like a good plan
That's one option.
So they are doing the standard autocrat thing where they just remove the agency of voters until they get their way?
Time for a People V. Legislature of Ohio.
I am sickiof big government Republicans
Laws for thee, none for me my Goodman.
They should mention all these billionaires since they’re so convinced. Fucking idiots
I get that he misspoke but it does seem illustrative of the whole issue. Fetuses don’t have the rights we’re born with because they haven’t been born.
So…. They’re being fired right?
"Everything you don't like is fasict." Mmmhmmm
Catholic, Pro-Antiabortion Biden is silent as ever on this issue
What makes you say Biden is "Pro-antiabortion?"
So look. The GOP is insane.
But like, can we find sources that provide facts vs using the language of a Redditor? UNHINGED! LUNACY!
it's CRINGE WORTHY!
That's what a hierarchical comment structure is for. If you don't like a discussion thread, just collapse it and move on.
SLAMMED!
Op just got SLAMMED!
The GOP is going full Muslim, this won't end well.
I would not call 56.6% vs 43.4% "overwhelming," but okay.
A double digit win? What would you consider overwhelming?
Hm, personally, I'd say 80/20 split would be "overwhelming." Like, I never thought this would be controversial to say that 6% is not mindblowingly overwhelming. It's just a dumb word to use and shows the site's obvious left bias.
56-43 is a bit more than 6%, although I'm no mathematician
6% away from 50-50.
Your concept of the math is wrong. A two-thirds majority, where twice as many people have one opinion versus the other, has only a 17% difference from 50/50. The problem with looking at it like that is you ignore half the spread between opinions and that becomes more pronounced the greater the margin. Having 30% more supporters on one side than the other ( the math: 56.6÷(100-56.6)) is pretty significant, if not overwhelming. I'd say it was more than okay, and Ohio's constitution says it's more than enough.
Thanks for trying to explain rather than saying I'm apparently commenting in bad faith.
Considering it only take a 2/3 majority to remove the President from office, your split seems to be arbitrary and made in bad faith to minimize the results.
Also, it's 13.2%, not 6.6%.
I never said it was some kind of objective measure, and bad faith? Wth? You asked me for my opinion so I gave it to you. Your baseline of "to remove the president" is also arbitrary. I would have loved for the vote to be overwhelming, I'm sorry to say that I don't find this result to be that. And you can't say it's a double digit win when "win" is 50%.
In America, that's overwhelming. Compare it to recent president election results.
Maybe not overwhelming, but it didn't just squeak by either. For a historically controversial topic such as this 6.6 percent is substantial.
56.6% - 43.4% = 13.2%. What kind of math are you doing to get 6.6%?
I just saw how far above 50% it was since that's the mark you have to clear. I've always thought of elections and other votes that way. Not sure why. Never thought about it. Sure, using the more accurate 13.2% would have proven the point I was making even better, but I didn't really think that far ahead. I just wanted to give the context that controversial issues trend more toward 50/50 so passing with a 56.6 vote is nothing to turn your nose at. But to answer your question, I subtracted 50 from 56.6.
Honestly, I got defensive and wouldn't have written any of this if you hadn't said "what kind of math are you doing" like it wasn't t obvious what I did. But I guess it gave myself and others the opportunity to understand why we use the total percent and not how far above 50.
Just to give some context on how numbers can be misleading, a 40 / 60 split is only 10 away from 50; however, even though that 10% margin is small, in reality it that means there are 50% more people in favor of something.
For every 40 people that don't want something, 60 people do.
For every 4 people that don't want something, 6 people do.
For every 2 people that don't want something, 3 people do.
3 divided by 2 is 1.5, or 150%.
So, in this 56.6% versus 43.4% split, 30.4% more people are in favor of this bill.
But percentages are still weird. So even my example can be misleading. It's all about how you interpret it. For instance, a 95 / 5 split would mean 19x as many people want one outcome. So the gap is 90% in the ratio, but 1800% more people are in the 95 camp. (1800% more implies 1800% over 100%, so 1900% total, or just 5 x 19)
Another way to look at the data of the 43/56 split.
If 10,000 people are against it, then 13,040 people are for it.
If 10,000 people are for it, then 6,960 people are against it.
Numbers are tricky like that
Good on you for this, seriously. I sounded like a dick, but was asking earnestly.
And like, I knew you were being earnest! Tone is hard to get across on the Internet. But emotions react before the critical thinking can do it's work =P
It's 6.6% away from an even split.
But is a zero-sum outcome, so the 13.2% differential is what's actually relevant.
I'm certain you're right. It took me way too long to figure out why it was so confusing to me, actually. What would be the opposite of a zero-sum game? Is there a term for it?
That is a great question... That I don't know the answer to. Non Zero Sum according this website. It's a edu domain, but idk it's credibility.
Welp.
That's not how you compare votes. It's not like the only other option for that 6.6% was to flip their vote to the opposite side. Abstaining is also a valid "vote", so to speak, and more likely for those who felt passionate enough to vote in favor of it in the first place if they weren't going to vote for it for some reason. If the number of people that make up that 6.6% abstained, i.e. just didn't vote at all, the measure would still have passed with the majority. The full 13.2% would have had to abstain from voting for the vote to have broken even. Which is why you take the difference between the vote percentages, not the difference to 50%.
56.6 is more than 30% more than 43.4. ie, 30% more people voted yes than voted no. that's at the very least a substantial margin.
Yeah, it's a slim majority. I want it to be overwhelming, but let's not distort the facts.
That is not a slim majority.