Defederation from Lemmygrad.ml
Hello World,
Today, after careful consideration and evaluation of recent events, we have decided to defederate from Lemmygrad.
Regrettably, we have observed a significant increase in hate speech and calls to violence originating from the Lemmygrad instance. Due to the severity of the posts and comments, we are not waiting for the next Lemmy update that will allow users to block instances.
At Lemmy.world, we have always strived to foster an inclusive and welcoming user environment. However, recent posts and comments from Lemmygrad have clearly violated our server rules and, more importantly, our core values. We firmly believe that hate speech and incitement of violence have no place in our community, regardless of personal beliefs or affiliations.
As always, we encourage all users to report any content they deem inappropriate or harmful. No matter one's stance in any conflict, Lemmy.world will always take immediate action to remove and ban any posts or comments that incite violence or propagate hatred.
We encourage everyone to continue engaging in discussions within the boundaries of respect and understanding. As we move forward with this decision, we remain committed to providing all community members with a safe and welcoming space. We appreciate your continued support and cooperation in upholding our shared principles.
Thank you,
The Lemmy.World Team
Lemmmygrad supposedly is for people who support communism, but when talking to them, they really are supporting totalitarian countries which have nothing to do with communism.
Good riddance
They can have their little hate fest in private now! I think they wanted that anyways.
They do it to so many smaller forums too. I saw an old board I used to frequent for game faqs and questions turned into one, under the guise of being mostly transgender positive.
It’s crazy to watch one user create a wannabe cult, user shame everyone and constantly move goalposts with straw men bs. Meanwhile, they had moderators discussing in Discord chats who to drive insane next and pick on. Not to mention using a serious issue as means to divide people that frequent the site by having over 30+ accounts to pad the numbers that agree with their views in topics.
It’s scary how far they go these days, especially considering the site was relatively respected around Y2K era, and now it’s full of republicans pretending to be trans and liberal for a psychotic gimmick.
The "trans rights to tankie" pipeline is just as weird as the "hippie to fascist" pipeline. I saw a lot of it on Blahaj.
Yeah glad to see those fucks go. There's been an awful lot of bad takes filling up content sections on certain topics, every time I checked who had posted it it was almost always a lemmygrad user.
I need to start checking the instance when someone posts something stinky.
I’d honestly noticed it a lot over the last few weeks and thought oh well, eternal September.
There was a nice little period there where’s there wasn’t much discussion around and those actually poking their heads out were really kind of wholesome. Now I see so many people still coming across in that friendly, inclusive way and I realise it’s just a vocal minority ruining it.
Let’s hold each other to a higher standard.
One love.
I hardly ever even look at the username - I'm not sure I'll get to looking at instance names.
My preference is a good quality dark chocolate, but I don't turn my nose up at pretty much any chocolate. Hell, I'll dig into one of those waxy chocolate Easter bunnies if that's what I've got.
Most recent (a couple hours ago) was a very chocolate brownie from a pan I made last night.
One knock-on effect for me is that encountering those folks on here made me want to triple check my tone and emotionality when I post or comment. I absolutely want this to be a better place than reddit, and I constantly find myself going back through my comments, editing to add corrections, or outright deleting them if I realize in hindsight I was being a cranky asshole. I've got to admit, I've even appreciated the notification-free moderation here - if I got into a fight with someone and our lack of civility broke the rules, I'm happy when a mod wipes out both of our offending comments. Nine times out of ten it takes out the comment that caused me to fight in the first place. And as heated as I can get, after going on an online tear, afterwards I usually feel terrible for being driven by anger. And angry posts almost never do anything except stroke my ego.
Yea, see you sound like a good egg.
Thanks for posting. I’m going to start measuring how emotional I get too. The good of the community is more important than a momentary annoyance. Thanks for describing a higher standard let’s all encourage each other to aspire to it.
One love.
What kind of bad takes?
We just blocked an instance full of them, go there for an example.
Agree
I honestly don't get the big deal about defederation.
Free speech doesn't really seem achievable on social media because bad actors will always manipulate votes to ensure that some opinions are promoted more than others.
For example, the opinions of lemmygrad should probably consume ~1% of the total informed opinion "pie chart" if you will. They can be adequately represented by some idiot posting their opinion in a thread once in a while - yet here we are. Their bizarre takes are sucking all the oxygen out of the room.
Surely there's a better way to ensure that all opinions on a given matter can be considered rather than just saying we must allow our streets to be overrun with zombies lest we forget they exist.
The lemmygrad users think the same
Good for all 19 of them
Big assumption with the thinking
You mean they're sharing the same brain cell?
Thank fucking god. It's exhausting being around people for whom any meme, any post, any comment, has to spin into how good communism is, how bad the libs are, how good China is, and how bad The West TM is. It is exhausting.
Nothing of value has been lost
Value was gained instead.
Addition by subtraction
I just gotta say, the moderation here makes me so happy I joined this instance.
I think this is for the best, there are some seriously disturbed people posting on Lemmygrad. I saw comments cheering on and celebrating the Hamas attack and talking about how they hoped the people who were kidnapped get tortured. Whatever your politics, that is super fucked up and not "legitimate discourse".
Thank goodness.
I'm reminded of a story I read a while back - not sure where - about how if you let a Nazi into your bar, you eventually end up running a Nazi bar. I think the same applies to online forums. You let Nazis overrun a forum, everyone else leaves, and eventually you might as well just be running Stormfront.
Tankies mad
"Cowards" lol
They literally just ban you if you start to pick apart their bullshit opinions.
Proudly banned from ![email protected]
Oh hey me too! High five!
we should make t-shirts
"You chose to not have to listen to our bullshit? Cowards!"
We don't fear you, we pity you, so we put you in the pity party corner. Come back when you develop emotional regulation. Bye Lemmygrad!
Lmao posted to the Communism community. How is this about communism? It isn't. It's just that to them, everything is about communism.
When you're called a coward you know it's a W because it just means you don't want to be dragged down to their level
beautiful
🍿
tankies gonna tank
Lost all respect for lemmygrad when they deleted a comment i made about voting for the lesser of 2 evils being the correct course of action to advance the interests of the Prolitariat in the United States. They care more about larping as revolutionaries than enacting change that actually helps the Working Class.
Good Job! You make my experience of Lemmy continuously better! You cleaned that CSAM up with the speed of light (I've never even noticed it), you managed the Piracy Community Troubles very well and now you made an well thought through decision about Lemmygrad. Well done Mods! And thank you all very much!
I understand that they are staunchly pro-communist and also take a pro-Palestine, including some of them (many of them?) a more clearly pro-Hamas stance. And that all of this could annoy many of the centrist liberals that seem to dominate here. But from perusing the lemmygrad link I do not see clear signs of hate speech, certainly not a clear hate speech agenda as you would see with some hate groups. And judging by the comments on here many seem to be happy to be “rid of them” because they are “annoying”, or “immature”, or “tankies”, or whatever. It really reads largely like “their opinions annoy me” so I’m glad they’re gone.
There may be more to it, I don’t know, but personally I wouldn’t like lemmy.world, an otherwise fine instance by all means, to become a centrist liberal silo where no other opinion outside (mostly US-centric) liberal orthodoxy is heard. So yeah, not convinced that this was the right decision, basically because of a lack of evidence.
You guys were still federated with Lemmygrad this long?
Most of their communities were blocked since months, that's why you didn't see much of them.
I'm just surprised overall because most other major instances defederated from them weeks or months ago, along with Hexbear and/or Exploding Heads. .ca has been defederated with those probably for at least two months now.
The administration of this Instance has a moderate lean towards not defederating in general, they have to be pushed in general. I would describe LW as a free speech leaning Instance, within the Lemmy environment.
Naturally the topic is very divisive overall and tends to draw heated arguments no matter what position is taken. Free speech absolutists find it downright draconian. I imagine being on Beehaw for longer than five minutes might reduce them to ash, I'm not sure.
LW has some communities which are quite non-freespeech, with rules like "we can remove and ban anything against the rules or not" (see !world), and some which use their rules arbitrarily as excuses for removing content that doesn't match their ideology (see !politicalmemes).
You know, based on your username I think you might be just a little bit biased
We even know exactly who they are :) Well, were. This account got banned too!
We can take the bias out at the source, theres a few websites who list each public instance and how many other instances they are blocking and blocked by.
Well the dbzer0 example already tells that just the amount of defeds says nothing. Db0 has gone quite far to proactively blocking CP and nazi instances across the fediverse not just lemmy.
Considering we're even federated with hexbear still, can't call the block finger too trigger happy
So, how does it work if I'm on lemm.ee? Is this defederation global?
No its only for the instance. Lemmy.ee is still federated with lemmygrad.
Oh, bummer
Lemm.ee is still federated with Hexbear, so they definitely arent defeding .ml. The lemm.ee admin only cares if you deny the genocide that effected his family. To him all other genocide denial is apparently perfectly fine!
Is the admin Armenian!?
The phrasing of "an increase in hate speech and calls to violence" suggests that there is a tolerable level of those.
A tolerable level we can handle by moderation. And when even the admins join in it becomes clear there is a big incompatibility and cultural difference.
But you probably meant something else, right?
No, that makes sense.
;)
You folk do good work.
Not it doesn't, it suggests there's a finite amount of volunteer moderator time. Don't be a troll.
I'm pro voilence against people who block grocery store entrances because they figured that was the best place to chat with someone they ran into... so yes.
People going slow in the fast lane on the freeway
It's my way or the crime way.
Can't forget those whom text at the theater
My mother-in-law did a phone call and I chewed her out. I couldn't believe it but then she complained about "kids these days" being on their phone at a restaurant and I pointed out that she was holding her phone and that we were at a restaurant. She shut up.
*who
Use who when you would use he, use whom when you would use him. Who texts at the theater? He does.
What would I use for she or her?
Still who and whom, respectively. And for they and them.
Escalefters 🤬
Yeah, there is: using your critical thinking skills, what number comes before 1?
long pause
That's right! Zero! Good job! And what do we call it when 0 becomes 1?
long pause
And increase, yes! applause
Tune in next week with Dora the Internet Explorer! Bye for now!
This would be a lot more of a stinging response if they could read.
I took it to mean "it has increased to the point we can't deal with it all"
Well there are going to be assholes everywhere but I guess if that instance's admins/mods aren't doing their jobs of moderating their users then it makes sense to defederate so the burden doesn't fall on all other instance's mods.
The world isn't black and white like your comment is suggesting.
I'm pretty sure the problem with Lemmygrad wasn't that the admins there "[weren't] doing their jobs", but rather that they were doing their jobs and their jobs were to promote and encourage the hateful rhetoric instead of stopping it.
I'm wondering if you're trolling or just ignorant. I'll do you the respect of assuming ignorance.
There will always be hate speech in any forum. Period. This cannot be stopped short of closing the forum down entirely. If, however, the hate speech is low volume, it can be dealt with individually with post deletion, user bans, community deletions, etc. Standard "tactical" moderation techniques.
But...
Shitholes like lemmygrad.ml release a veritable flood of hate speech, as do their right-wing "Freeze Peach!" equivalents. Individual, tactical moderation does not scale to that level without a whole lot more money than a hobbyist-run instance can bring to bear. Thus if hate speech and calls for violence reach the point where tactical moderation can no longer keep up, you start with the strategic moderation. In older-style forums that might be an IP ban. In the Fediverse it's defederation.
See how that works?
Now please, prove to me you're not trolling and simply didn't understand how things work.
This will be a much better experience for new Lemmy users browsing /All.
Free speech is important. Every opinion should be heard and considered. However, your freedom ends when it crosses over someone else’s. Good riddance, i had blocked most of lemmygrad’s communities anyways, since all they did was spread propaganda and hate.
Love the mod team (being ex-reddit, never thought I’d say that), the transparency and clarity of their communication with the community is great!
Before I saw lemmygrad: wtf are we doing?
After I saw lemmygrad: glad we defederate..
About time.
Tolerating intolerance will only lead to intolerance.
FINALLY, thanks a lot! 👏
Pretty new to the lemmy thing. Learning the do not and safe zones of the federation.
Lemmygrad is a bit of a rabbit hole from the outside view. Like, holy shit. That place got wicked dark super fast.
There was a lot of it.
Like a lot.
Good, are you defederated from hexbear as well? If not, please do.
Oh, c'mon...
People have been celebrating when governments open their own Lemmy instance to put state services and support there and now we're defederating the very first of such Lemmy instances, that of the People's Republic Of China???!
/s
Thank fuck. I hate those jerks. Good riddance.
Based admin team and moderation team. You guys rock
I'd never heard of this instance, but the name kind of gives away that it's no big loss.
I can tolerate communists, but lemygrad is mostly just tankies
They're not communists anymore than North Korea is a democracy...
Anyone that tries to claim the USSR or China are/were communist regimes aren't worth listening to. They're either lying or don't know what they're talking about
Or they've convinced themselves into a massive state of cognitive dissonance.
Even worse, they revere current Russia and China as if they're communist, which makes absolutely no sense.
They're communism as practiced, not as theorized. There is a bit of difference.
They're as communist as the DPRK is democratic
As I said, communism the reality vs communism the theory.
And again, they're as communist as the DPRK is democratic
Or would you seriously say that the DPRK is democracy in practice and not theory?
No? Wtf are you talking about?
It's like efficiency of machinery and rotating equipment. It can never reach 100%, but you can try to get close to it. 100% efficiency and communism are both unattainable ideals.
They're the original lemmy instance iirc
Mark my words, .ml is going to be the next hive for spreading hate and calls for violent actions.
The .ml admins are already massive tankies, so it would only be natural.
Lemmygrad and lemmy.ml we’re both started by the Lemmy devs themselves.
Oh that's funny
Its the devs instance. They think the CCP is good.
Which is precisely why I don't donate to the devs.
I don't think the CCP is good, would you donate to my fork?
TANK U!
Sorry imma head out
It's kinda fun watching liberals realize that Bolsheviks aren't leftists
I fully support this. I don't think instances that breed hate and radicalization should be allowed an audience.
I have seen so much propoganda, hate, and lunacy from that instance since I joined Lemmy.
Well, I already blocked any community and user I came across since the exodus in June.
Better late than never.
Keep up the good work.
PS: Free Tibet
Hexbear next.
Thank you so much, excellent news.
I can't even think of ONE good community on that instance
Excellent. Those people must be either deplatformed or confined. Thank you .world admins for being reasonable and based.
Man this lemmy thing is cooler everyday
I do wonder why we didn't defederate from them long ago, it's not like they recently started showing signs of who and what they really are, they've been very transparent about their motives since day 1. Still though good it was done now before they started spamming things here (not sure if they do that or if it's just hexbear that spams).
Thank you, some of the most toxic content in the fediverse comes from there and am happy that this server’s experience will be better now.
Free Palestine
i don't interact with lemmygrad much, and i don't really want to. so please could somebody tell me what sort of hate speech was happening there?
Not a fan of defederations in general, but I can totally see why. Lemmygrad will not be missed.
What, you don't want to be accused of being unreasonable by people that cavalierly discuss the need to murder people to bring about the revolution?
Thank god
I've read a few posts from that instance and just no. I myself are on the left but both lemmygrad and lemmy.ml is just not places I go to.
Good to see that instance go as it didn't contribute to public discourse. Thanks for the practice work!
Well this is a shock, anyone know what kind of stuff they've said exactly?
finally, ty
Thank you good riddence
Good call honestly
Can we get the links/receipts/examples?
I'm onboard with the post, and glad to see Lemmy working as intended. Making a post (instead of silently defederating) is wonderful. That said, I think its very important to say "because of comments like X[link] and Y[link]" instead of "due to severity".
Imagine if the roles were reversed and the CCP was saying they're "defederating from lemmy.world due to severity". Members should be given the 1st hand evidence, rather than 2nd hand opinions/summaries.
Strong move.
Finally.
Thank Fn god! Good decision mateys.
Bye-bye tankies!
This is why I have logins on several instances.
Great call, kudos. Absolute trash.
Hells. Yes.
Great news! Thanks
Alas, thank you!
Id rather not interact with or even see a community that refers to the "working class" as subhuman trash. The mods and devs of lemmy.world are probably seeing even worse posts than what we have seen. Good riddence
Thank you! There was a lot of vitriol coming from that instance.
Weekly polite request: can we please get a setting to "hide downvoted posts"? :-)
Bye Felicia!
Halle-fucking-lujah
I reported a comment stating that the US genocide of indigenous was "rightful conquest" and it's still up. I totally get defederating.
sheesh. good riddance
Thank you so much, it’s like the Winter Solstice came early! They’re literally a bunch of sweaty, genocide-loving neckbeards who never outgrew the college commie phase crying about how hard and unfair their upper-class suburban lives are under (their idea of) capitalism and how North Korea is secretly a paradise because “something something healthcare that probably exists there”- all from the $3000 computer whose SSD made by abused children in Taiwan has 694.20 gigabytes of porn (shot by and starring filthy-rich adult content creators), in the comfort of their septuagenarian mothers’ basements on her personal, private property in Washington State- all made possible by capitalism. And they think they’d be better off under a system that would actually ship them off to die in Alaska on day one, instead of giving them a high rank and a state-issued bride. (But we Washingtonians don’t claim them)
I’m honestly surprised they had to cheer on the murder of innocent children in Israel for you guys to do this for us, when they’d spent months being all “ackchyually the Holodomor didn’t happen but I hope it happens again because daddy putin says all Ukrainians are nazis, therefore it must be true and they’d deserve it!!1”
Glad to hear this! I had them blocked already
I blocked their instance a few days ago when I noticed the described behavior. Good, now I won't see all the 'empty' comments
Kudos. Excellent choice 👍
Holy shit, good for you, lemmy.world. Was wondering if it would ever happen.
Thank you
Thank you
Finally, thank you.
Finally.
Thank you.
I hold out hope that they will reform their values and can be refederated in the future, but I doubt that will happen.
Finally
THANK YOU!
Good
Good riddance
I honestly thought this had already happened months ago.
LETS FUCKING GO
That’s too bad that people behave like that. Thanks for taking action.
I am always interested to read about different viewpoints but I don’t think I will miss Lemmygrad much.
BASED
Sweet!
Outstanding news
thank you
Good! Thank you.
based
Will it make a return once we gain the ability to block individual instances? I'm not fan of communism and I'm personally stoked to not have lemmygrad in my feed. And I think you made the right choice given the current state of Lemmy but I do think that a "free speech" forum requires that we don't silence hate speech en masse. I'm sure can agree to at least part of that statement. I just like to make the decision of what I wanted filtered out.
I should probably add that I'm not advocating for any illegal content. That has no place here.
No, even when the option comes for users to block whole instances we will still defederate with instances we do not want to moderate the content from. But we also always reserve the right to re-federate with any instance if the concerns are resolved.
And as per https://lemmy.world/legal : We are not a free speech zone. This Code of Conduct lays out the expected standards of conduct and behavior. Users may not say or post anything that violates these rules, and all participants are required to follow this code. If you disagree with this code, you are welcome to keep looking for other Lemmy instances. Here’s a list of all public instances.
Thank you for not being a Freeze Peach site!
Your modlog shows far more removed content from sh.itjust.works or lemm.ee users in comparison, so why don't you defederate from those instances as well?
Fair enough. I didn't really consider the moderation effort required. And you could stand to be a little less aggressive. I have no problem with the rules as they stand. It would be nice though if there were a way to still communicate with these users without being subjecting everyone to their community posts. But my concerns go further than LW.
I get why LW doesnt have an interest in being a free speech platform, but I still think it's better to be a good influence on people rather than shutting them out. Their bad ideas don't go away when we defederate and will probably even grow in momentum if left unchallenged. You shouldn't have to deal with them if you don't want to and their content need not be visible by default. I just think Lemmy needs options other than defederation. We risk recreating the siloed communities federation was meant to counter.
And it's not like these worst offenders don't deserve to be alienated, I just think it's inevitable that we will become used to defederation but and start doing it on a whim. Lemmy will become a sanitized environment devoid of anything coming close to contraversial. If this happens, it takes away the biggest advantage we have over Reddit, Twitter, etc. No important conversations will happen here, the population will fracture and dwindle, we will all return to Reddit.
I'm not really asking LW to change anything, I'm just saying there needs to be finer controls built into Lemmy that will prevent defederation becoming the default method of dealing with troublesome instances.
Lemm.ee seems to still be federated with some instances that are blocked here. Just an FYI if you’re looking for a more versatile instance.
And folks can have accounts with multiple instances! So if you don't feel like seeing certain content, you can use the .world account, if you'd like to see a larger array of content, switch to the lem.ee account.
Two M's, so: Lemm.ee
Edited! Ty!
I'm not really interested in seeing all of that. Id really just like an easy way to decide for myself what content I see and not relying on a server moderator to decide for me what is appropriate. Users being able to block certain instances isnt enough. We need to be able to add instances that are separate from what the rest of the server sees.
Thats not possible, I don't know how that would even work or if it could work. The home instance shouldn't have to host content they object with, but I also shouldn't have to set up my own instance just to find tune my feed.
This has made me to seriously consider leaving lemmy.world
Capitalism is a serious existantial threat to our ecosystem, rendering all our lives more meaningless with each passing day - all its enemies are my friends
But, however, just looking at the name... Lemmygrad, this rhetoric is just designed to hush everyone into the old trenches and that way keeping the capitalist death machine chugging along. To be the most effective, the truth of socialism has to rebranded and craftfully injected into new ideas. This is the only way forward.
So, good riddance I say!
Great, now defederate lemmy.ml, they have been getting increasing beligerent towards .world users.
Watching an overtly leftist site get it's own panties in a bunch when a different form of extremism takes root lol.
Don't get me wrong the leftism and communism that is allowed to just run rampant is sickening.
Still funny though watching you guys eat your own.
Ok so now do lemmy.ml
I've said in the past and will say it again. Despite someone talking nonsense, being rude, having wrong opinions, silencing them is not ideal. If nothing else it's exactly the behaviour of Totalitarian regime that this action is aimed at.
So again de federation is IMHO not best aproach.
While I welcome the return to sensibility, I'm going to miss the free entertainment.
You're always welcome to visit that instance directly if you want "entertainment."
Time for a new account it seems.
Seems pretty messed up to me that disagreeing equals hate speech.
If I wanted heavy handed and one-sided moderation I would have stayed on Reddit.
typical fediverse, lol
Is it still fine to call for the eating of the rich and burning of their capital, or did dotWorld decide to be a rightwing pandering platform for "enlightened" fence-sitters?
Finally. So sick of seeing their communist bullshit. No matter what I do.
I love how these posts always end up descending into a tankie bad circle jerk instead of asking for examples of hate speech.
BTW op, any examples of hate speech?
It's for being pro palestine isn't it. You mods are absolutely shameless.
I was banned from Lemmy.world for a week after criticizing Israel. The pinned post accuses this server of supporting the Zionist genocide of Palestinians. Should I go ahead and close my account now? Is this a Zionst platform?
Edit: I know that this server loves to mass downvote any post that questions authority, but it would be much more helpful if you would verbally confirm that you support genocide, or at least start abusing me personally to let me know you think I don't belong.
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This type of censorship never stops. There's no doubt in my mind as this trend continues we're going to see other taboo communities like piracy, not mainstream accepted politics, etc. ones being banned and their servers defederated.
We've already seen admins of this server removing comments and banning people for posting stuff they don't agree with. I don't see how Lemmy can succeed when we're not even at like 2.5k users per day on the biggest server and the admins here are already going extreme on the censorship.
Why not defederate them before things got outta hand?
For anyone who prefers to filter their own feed, instead of having it decided for them Lemm.ee is a good option.
Why would anyone care what those people think/say?
Theres like 5 of us, including the lurkers. 2 if you limit it to posters. Thats not exactly numerous.
And for record, Lemmygrad sucks and is not worth it.
It would be good practice if admins would link a selection of the offensive material. That would allow both sides to debate how they judge such behavior.
Right now there are celebrating comments but I haven't seen bad behavior myself, even in heated debates. That let's me assume that many are thin skinned or unable to refute lemmygrad's political opinion.
If I understand lemmy correctly then banning lemmygrad will prevent its users from participating in any debate on a lemmy. world community. Does a lemmy instance exist that federated with everybody where important communities should be hosted?
So which instance is going to be the next one to be designated the tankie instance?
That's a bummer. I'm a serious Capitalist but I kinda liked the Tankies and Pinks, they brought a fresh perspective and occasionally produced damn good memes.
The good news is that since I moved to another instance I'll still get their stuff, kinda stinks for those of you homed on lemmy.world though.
Pretty soon there will be no fediverse. And Lemmy will be nothing more than a CMS
But everyone could sign up for other instances that are federated. They can even have multiple accounts across different instances. I don't see this as the beginning of the slide down a slippery slope.
Lemmy's "the onus on moderation is on the instance" was always going to result in this. You can have an instance with really good content, and a really strong community, but none of that means shit if the instance owners decide that a certain brand of hate speech is ok. Now you have two options as an instance owner: Either blanket ban the entire instance, or expose your users to shit even reddit would have acted on.
Mastodon for all its flaws has a way better system for this: The instance owner AND the federated instance both get reports and can act on them as such. That way even if the federated instance refuses to moderate a post which breaks your instance's rules, you can still deal with it. If an instance is consistently bad faith and the moderators are sick of dealing with them, that's when you defederate.
Try lemm.ee
Not a lot of defeds there
I'm liking the lemmy.sdf.org situation so far
Yep, the great federation experiment is imploding. Back to reddit I guess.
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Bye, Felicia.
I do not approve of this kind of itchy trigger finger to defederate. Hopefully this decision is reversed in time like the piracy one was.
Honestly I sometimes wish the trigger finger was itchier. I think this should have happened back when hexbear was also defederated, but at least it's finally done with.
100% agree. I wish they had a minigun defedder that could defed from those tankies a whiile ago 😵💫
That's right. Let's use de-federating as a fuckin downvote button.
Just filter out anything and anyone you disagree with. Sounds like a good, healthy plan.
If your instance cheers on genocides it needs to be defederated
Now, do you know how to read? Didnt they say that this was after "carefull consideration"? Get yourself some glasses my man! 🤓
Oh wow they said they gave it careful consideration? Case closed must be the right move. How did I miss that??
You are funny 😅
Lemmy.world is run by the feds
Eyyyy finger guns
If a fed collides with an antifed, does it release a huge explosion?
They morph into one another and destroy both.
It is like matter and anti-matter
lmao an ml user mad about tankies getting defederated. Totally on-brand.
What’s the deal with lemmy.ml? I’ve noticed a more aggressive/4channy tone to it compared to lemmy.world but I can’t find any more information about it
Lemmy.ml is one of the major main Lemmy instances, and it has a bunch of the development crew for the project on the admin team and moderation squad.
The ML, incidentally, was picked to stand for Marxist-Leninist. The core Lemmy devs are very politically left leaning, but that usually doesn't cause many issues because there are enough instances running the software that you're not locked into their echo chamber.
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That's not true. At the time it was simply picked because the TLD was cheap.
It's got a lot of tankies. Also, they'll ban you if you say you hate tankies because they love tankies on .ml
lemmy.ml is like diet-4chan, they're some of the earliest adopters of Lemmy.
You wish lemmy.ml would defederate from lemmygrad.ml? The admins from lemmy.ml are admin on lemmygrad.ml so that's never going to happen
It's not a big deal to "jump ship". You can have multiple accounts and switch back and forth too.
Lemmy.ml will likely never defederate from lemmygrad, as the owners themselves are tankies. If you want to distance yourself, I suggest moving instances.
There's an account migration tool someone made that could make this easier for you https://github.com/CMahaff/lasim
Also the two instances are ran by the same admins. Lemmygrad is just their more mask off instance.
I would argue db0 serves that purpose better than .ml does, even if .ml contains the core Lemmy devs. All I talk with db0 guys about is internet privacy, Linux and open source software with a dash of advanced piracy.
As for unpleasantness, I find the constant Linux evangelism getting tiresome, even if it's apolitical.
The db0 guys are great. Just be prepared to listen to a lot of Linux evangelism. If I had to pick an instance to join outside of .ca it would either be db0 or startrek.website.
I applied to iusearchlinux.fyi and the admins said no :(
startrek.website has been probably one of the most consistently pleasant and well-behaved instances. Don't think I've ever clashed with em.
We're generally left leaning but not evangelistically so.
Most of lemmygrad.ml are lemmy.ml users saying the silent part out loud on a separate instance so they don't get lemmy.ml defederated.
I'd create a new account on an other instance in order to not be affiliated with those degenerates if I were you.
LMAO flat out using the nazi slur, you can't even make this shit up.
Did you ever think to yourself, that you sound like a madman? Do you really think that a Lemmy instance, of all things, are ran by the US FBI? Especially when the instance is european...
Oh btw, remember to equip your tin foil hat! I heard it was all the rage at lemmygrad & hexbear ;)
Most likely yes. The worldnews community is evidence of this.
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Here; I grant you the 2nd tin foil hat for the day.
And they immediately blocked all the piracy communities. Most of the .world and .ee users sound like AI posts. It's likely a massive AstroTurf
Didn’t those get unblocked though too recently?