Windows 12 May Require a Subscription
[A]n INI configuration file in the Windows Canary channel, discovered by German website Deskmodder, includes references to a "Subscription Edition," "Subscription Type," and a "subscription status."
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For the average consumer, this would help Apple and Google out more than anything. People want what they know.
On the more savvy user side and for gamers, this move would, potentially, help Linux adoption rates.
It would help all of their competitors. A non zero number of people would move from windows to each of the others.
Whether or not the number moving away from windows and on to each of the others is significant or not is a different matter.
The biggest thing helping Linux right now is Valve's work improving the gaming experience, IMO.
Even the rumor of this makes Valve’s focus on Linux seem that much smarter.
I've never used Linux but if Microsoft goes subscription I'm out and I'll be learning Linux.
NGL PopOs is easy and the works with steam/most things easily.
I really hope Windows doesn't go subscription based because of the proliferation of ads.
I've been meaning to install Linux on my primary gaming PC but haven't yet due to laziness. This would 100% get me to pull the trigger if/when I ever had to upgrade/reinstall.
valve would be really happy if Microsoft do windows subscription, lmao
Exactly, which is why this will probably work, do you really think the average consumer that's used to Windows is going to switch to Mac when they can just pay 5$/month instead? Lol
As long as the price isn't ridiculous like 50$/month or some shit, the average consumer is just going to pay it lolol
To start, I don’t think it’ll be a “subscribe or else” type deal. My assumption would be something like a forced S mode unless you subscribe.
Second, people won’t jump right away. To start, word will get around and they’ll simply not update. Then, when it comes time to buy a new computer, the average user will be possibly swayed to look at entry level MB Airs (They often go on sale for like $750) or Chromebooks.
The people who will get really pissed will be power users and gamers who will be forced to shell out money to get back features they had in previous versions of the OS.
Honestly, I don't even think it'll be S mode. Just Home really and for pro users they'll end up with the subscription model
Yeah the only people whose minds this will change are agnostic techies
Yup, Chromebooks are already cheap and pretty intuitive, I think this will bump their sales a lot. I've ditched windows long ago except for my gaming PC and the PCs at my office (I don't have a say in those though, I just much prefer Linux
Won't matter to Microsoft at all. You'll use your Chromebook to connect your Windows 365 Cloud PC . They'll add it to the Microsoft Family Plan, same one that has MS Office in it, for free when its introduced and then slowly raise the price as people get embedded into it.
Gaming? You'll buy the WinBook Ultra that can handle streaming gaming or buy an Xbox.
Welcome to the future, it'll be here in 10 years or less.
Chromebooks generally encourage you to use Google's family of office apps. So I don't know about that.
It'll be a legal battle where MS will claim Google's closed ecosystem as a monopoly and force them to carry the "MS Cloud PC App" in the Play Store. Or you'll just go buy a "WinBook" made by HP, Dell, Lenovo, etc...
And tablets, which most people seem to be using these days.
Trust me, it’s already worth it. Literally every other operating system in existence is better than windows. I’d use Temple OS before going back.
Caveat: if the software you need is supported. Unfortunately that's the major reason I haven't switched
Does that include the Miley Cirus operating system?
Yes.
I was thinking, "Wait...what...?" But there it is:
https://hannahmontana.sourceforge.net/Site/Home.html
I'm dead! It has a song!
And a lot of linux programs take inspiration from Microsoft's design because they're the norm. When you think of a word processor you think of Word, same goes for all of Office 365 actually.
I think of Word 2007. All downhill after that...
Edit: Or was it 2011? I can't even remember anymore..
They implemented the ribbon menu in ~2007 office iirc, somewhen around Vista. 2003 is the old WinXP styled one with all these little menus and buttons, fugly but usable. Is that the one you've meant?
I’m having to use windows+office for work after a few years of being linux only, and god do I hate modern office’s interface.
The ribbon, on its own, isn’t super offensive to me - its just a chonky toolbar. But why on earth did they have to get rid of the classic menus?! If I don’t know where a feature is, it’s so much easier to skim through text menus than flipping from ribbon to ribbon, hovering over each button for tooltips, and popping out secondary toolbars of icons to find what I want. It’s maddening for someone who only needs to use office intermittently.
No I think it was 2011. Whatever the stable most streamlined release was before Office 365 rolled out.
Aha, okay. So we have different tastes in software. Are we supposed to fight each other now?
If i remember correctly, 2010 introduced the ribbon and 2013 was the last edition before 365 took over
That's the one!
I think of Google Docs now because the inconvenience of not being able to have word on my own system without a price caused me to use the free alternative.
@solivine Same, and it just works better. Whenever I need a word processor or spreadsheet at home I don't need that much, and I need to be able to access it on all my devices, not just my home computer. So having the free alternative work faster, better, everywhere, then I don't even see Office as relevant anymore.
@billiam0202 @q47tx @wintermute_oregon @WeirdGoesPro @H2207
Only if you're a cretin! The only thing one should envision when thinking of a word processor is WordPerfect 1.21a for the Apple IIgs!
Envisioning Calligra Words is also acceptable.
Now that's just some bullshit and you know it
Haven’t used windows by choice in over a decade, and no regrets.
Remove the bloatware with a free program like ShutUp10++, and Windows is a fine OS. Linux may very well be better still, but better enough to go through the effort of switching over, reinstalling everything, relearning everything, finding alternatives to programs, etc.? I doubt it. Not for me at least.
Then save yourself and use a Mac! /s
I think the general consumer mostly uses the web browser tbh.
Start trying some of the open source apps on Windows. For example, try using LibreOffice for a bit and see how it compares to Microsoft Office. You may be surprised to find that the difference isn’t as big as you thought.
LibreOffice works at least as well as Word on its own terms, the problem is how Microsoft deliberately breaks interoperability so you can't reliably share the documents you create on Libre with people who are going to open them with Word.
Absolutely. Works great for printing or converting to pdf, though. I just export them to docx anyway and see what happens.
Don't they both use the open format now? .odt? I haven't needed to use an office suite for a while, but I would have thought that it would force compatibility.
Word does not use odt
Sorry, first chance I've had to check.
I've just opened a new file in Word and gone to Save As, and .odt is the default choice.
OpenDocument Text (*.odt)
I wish. Try editing a document with tables.
LibreOffice is fine if all you are doing is writing a Dear Princess Celestia letter, but when you actually start doing advanced things, the jankiness of LibreOffice starts to become wasted effort. If I have to spend more time fighting the program than actually doing work, it's worth the money for Office. Especially at $70/year for M365, which is roughly 1-3 hours of work depending on what job and such.
Since most companies are moving their tools to web-based versions, the switch will be even easier.
Office already has extensive een versions. They're not entirely there yet, but good enough if you don't need advanced functionality.
Unfortunately the difference is huge. It's not just the cost of learning a new tool, it's that 10% of really important features are not there. For me for example it was the ability to apply a theme to an existing presentation in Impress. Well in the corporate world, it's mandatory.
Using Linux daily since 99, as my only personal OS since 2013, and still struggling with the office alternatives.
It does the same job but when you're using it constantly the small QOL things really matter.
Favorite OS be damned when you have a fiscal consequence. Switching to Linux full time will cost me money at the end of it and I can't justify that until it costs me more to NOT switch to Linux.
My biggest argument for Linux is: Windows isn't going to get better, but Linux will.
I started using a lot of the same open-source tools that are on Linux as replacements in Windows to ease the transition. As someone else mentioned, most of the top projects strive to match the workflows of traditional Windows options. Some lemmy instances have huge posts of top tier open source alternatives to most things you need and somethings you don't.
There might be a subscription option or a subscription tier with a windows suite like office and stuff included in it, but for normal windows OS, they're decades away from going to a subscription only model, at best.
I imagine they’ll split it into an enterprise version and then multiple consumer tiers, with a "free/lite" version with ads and progressively more function or less ads. Folks that dont use a computer for more than web browsing will jump on that
might as well be that they change their licensing model for businesses to some sort of Subscription. The resale of volume keys has been a pain in their butt for a long time.
That honestly makes sense B2B, wouldn’t hate that as a policy but I do dislike it on the consumer front. But I’ll never use windows personally again so I really only care for how it affects the rest of the computing world
Judging by this decade I don't estimate in decades anymore.
Too true brother. I went from decades to years to months to weeks to, ah fuck... tomorrow?
Why? They could roll out W12 with subscription-only plans. Besides the contracts they currently have that specify a specific amount of security updates for X years, they can let W11 and previous versions die. No more updates besides what they need to protect themselves.
It's not like governments and businesses will balk. They already pay a premium for Windows licenses and they'd probably get deals, anyways. Average home users might not upgrade, but all new PCs sold will have W12 and require a subscription if you want to be able to use most of the features.
This is what happens by not breaking up MS more or imposing penalties for anti-competitive behavior.
I could see them releasing hardware that's tied to a subscription that Windows would track, perhaps, or offering subscription as a payment model for Windows.
You're right, though I can't see a straight migration to subscription-only happening. They haven't even gotten Office to subscription-only yet, despite their wish to.
Getting closer every day. Having a M365 subscription for Office is now the normal way that SMB and larger businesses work with it and at home Microsoft's "Family Plan" that includes Office has been doing nothing but growing since they introduced it. Last I checked they were over 50 Million subscribers.
Windows as an OS will eventually be going subscription. You'll pay the licensing to unlock features like the Windows "S" mode model or you'll pay the licensing in order to access a Windows 365 Cloud PC that's part of your family plan.
Most home users will have hardware similar to a Chromebook. "PC" gaming will be done via streaming or you'll just buy an Xbox.
Welcome to the future.
I've been hearing a variant of this since I joined Slashdot in 1999. "Microsoft really messed up this time, mainstream Linux adoption is right around the corner!"
Yeah, except the Steam Deck has been giving a huge reason to provide compatibility with Linux, and Valve/WINE have been pushing hard as hell to help facilitate it.
Unity pushed me to go with Godot. Unity already had a Linux editor, but this has pushed me to also move from Photoshop to Krita, since we’re in that kind of mood.
I tried several games last night that were rated gold or platinum rather than native on ProtonDB. While some people provided launch options, they all worked flawlessly out of the box. I’m even the first person to file a compatibility report for Furry Cyberfucker, let’s fucken go.
Piper let me configure my mouse and keyboard without the need for GHub. My HOTAS works flawlessly without the Saitek software, since I’m used to configuring buttons in-game.
I tried this last year, and went back to Windows with the same “it’s not quite there” response as everyone there. But I’ve been keeping an eye on this since I had to use ndiswrapper to get Ubuntu to play nice with my wlan adapter, and this month, I installed PopOS, and have been getting along pretty well. I haven’t encountered a single issue or compatibility that outright breaks this move for me, and I’m generally stubborn as shit to learn new things.
It may not be the “year of the Linux desktop” for everyone, but it is for me. If you’re expecting some monolithic mass adoption, keep dreaming, but this progress doesn’t seem to be slowing down.
I have two main concerns with switching. I may eventually switch when these get better.
I was just reading that ACT doesn’t work will with overlays on Linux. Here’s hoping though! I can’t for the day when I have a solid free/open source Linux desktop running all my games. One where I’m not afraid to update in fear of breaking. One where I don’t need to use docker to host Overseerr and nginx. One where I have the control like I (mostly) do on my work laptop.
One day….
I can’t speak for your FF stuff, that’s outside of my wheelhouse. However, Piper has taken care of my configuration for my G502 mouse and G815 keeb. Even the lighting options work. Will need to re-record your macros, probably.
aaand he replies with a gaming rant. Most users arent children nobody gives a fuck about steam and le wholesome gaben chungus. We want excel and word. Witcher 3 is not a selling point. You live in a teenager reddit bubble.
Hey, that’s cool, man. You do you.
Right!
If I had gotten 10 cent each time I heard (or said) this I would be close to 10 € by now :D
I switched to Linux back in 2006 but not everyone has the knowledge, the capacity or the motivation to do so.
I have the capacity and the knowledge but not the motivation.
Someday Linux desktop percentage will jump up, but not how the optimists have thought. It's going to be more because the younger generations don't think they need desktop operating systems, leaving them exclusively to to younger gen-X, older gen-Y, various hobbyists, and those who need a desktop workflow at work and like it enough to bring it home. The desktop will settle into its niche, like live theater, fountain pens, and a thousand other mass culture relics, and Linux will still be there chugging along while Windows and OS X (as we know them) slowly molder due to reduced profits in the desktop space.
I have a kid, and yes, there's a laptop she uses, but to her it's exclusively for games and for dicking around in Roblox Studio or TinkerCAD. I've even seen her close a game, settle into her chair at the very same desk, and pull up Youtube on an iOS device. And this is from a kid who is more comfortable with a PC than most of her peers.
We're already there. The Millennials, and every Generation after them, by and large don't give two shits about the Operating System, they're used to working in an App Driven ecosystem...just like your kid.
2025 is the year of the linux desktop!
It legit could be. When Win10 support ends you have three options:
None of those three options are easy, and Linux is the only option that's free and guaranteed to work. Although to be fair most computers made after 2018 have the TPM chip, and so I don't know how many folks will actually be running 7+ year old hardware at that point. It's probably more likely to cause a jump in PC sales more than Linux adoption.
Personally, mine has TPM but Windows is complaining that it didn’t give itself enough space in the bootloader to upgrade itself to 11 and this is somehow my fault. I’m debating whether I’ll bother to try troubleshooting it when 10 goes EOL or just move my gaming PC to linux. I do like having at least one Windows machine around for compatibility but it’s getting too annoying to get caught up.
I’ve been using linux on my laptops and tablets for years so it wouldn’t be a huge hurdle for me to switch.
Yeah, and steamdeck might gain more customers too
if microsoft doing stupid shit with windows affected linux adoption rate, we'd all have switched by now.
I've played around with Linux before, but never really wanted to use it. I've always just been happy with windows. Without a doubt though, if they started a subscription for it. I would switch to Linux.
Or folks like myself that refuse to get a TPM just to run a worse OS. I’m fine with Windows 10.
I’m the tech savvy guy in the family. I’ve always said that I keep windows around for gaming and some level of music production. However, if this happens with Windows 12, I’ll move 100% to Linux and deal with the ramifications. Most of my game collection is on Steam which I know has some Linux support now for certain titles.
Only if they manage to contain pirates.
im really sad to say this because linux bros are cancerous but if they did a windows subscription i would probably have to swap linux...
I'm looking forward to the Year of the Linux desktop ™️
Remember when Microsoft said that Windows 10 would be the last edition?
I don't believe for one bit that windows will move to a pure subscription based model. They are greedy, but not stupid.
What's more believable is that the base OS will be the same as usual, but if you want fancy AI assistants in your OS, you must subscribe, with the justification being that MS must pay for the servers running the models you're using.
The idea that windows would require a subscription for an OS pisses me off more than I thought.
Good way for them to guarantee a exodus of people switching their OS.
I will be very curious to see how the KMS works after all this
Kinda like the reddit exodus...
If reddit decided to charge for access I'm sure everyone would leave
"Like all reddit protests, this will blow over too"
But why though? Like, the major complaint people have with Windows now is that it’s starting to advertise. They need to consistently provide updates and security patches, and the consumer has clearly shown it’s willing to pay subscriptions. This is kind of a blending of that. As long as they remove the advertising, and keep their “AI” out of my files I’d actually be happy paying for Windows again just like the “old” days except as a subscription. If it means that every windows install doesn’t come with Candy Crush and other bloatware I’d actually chalk this up as a win for consumers rather than the “free” windows right now that’s ad ridden and full of trackers.
Of course the realist in me also knows though that they’d fuck it up and make you pay while tracking everything, but I’d rather have an either or.
People hate advertising. That is why people switched over to cable. If you give companies money directly, they won't have to do ads to make money.... just like how cable has no ads! Or Netflix!
Can anyone confirm that my understanding of the source article is correct?
The "Windows 12 may require a subscription" is coming from the fact that the word "Subscription" exists in a Windows config file somewhere?
That seems like a pretty big leap to me. Not that I don't think it's impossible that Microsoft would do this, but the evidence here seems thin to say the least.
Time to contribute heavily to Linux open source and make Linux desktops super useful to everyone.
Maybe this will finally convince the world to move to Linux Mint
You'll be surprised/dismayed how resistant people are to learning something new.
It's extremely obnoxious to suggest that people don't use Linux because they don't want to learn something new. They don't use it because there's absolutely no need for them to do so when Windows is a fantastic OS for their needs
Even when you're a bit more savvy it's easy to configure Windows to your liking without all the bloat and spying
I'm perfectly happy programming a Pi for little projects so I know Linux wouldn't be a problem for me, but I simply have no need for the hassle
Linux users are like militant vegans; they do more to put people off Linux than promote it
Well, then don't. But don't be surprised when things keep getting worse.
The issue has never been whether Windows is a good OS or not. Almost anything you can do with Linux you can also do with Windows[1]. The issue has always been the risk that Microsoft could pull the rug from under your feet and the fact that there's nothing you can do about it as long as you're on their platform. You can see all the bullshit that people have had to deal with in the past 10 years as the result of people being comfortable with taking that risk - shitty upgrades, telemetry, ads, and now this. And nobody even knows what other kinds of bullshit they'll try to pull in the future.
None of this to say that you have to choose one platform or another. Everything is a calculated risk. Use Windows if that's what you want, but by this point, it's clear that you will have to continue with putting up with more and more of this abusive behavior from Microsoft if that's the choice that you're making.
[1]: This is somewhat starting to change though. These days, for a lot of programming- and data science-related tasks, Linux is starting to pull further and further ahead and Windows is becoming more and more unusable.
For me new Windows releases grow more annoying, slow and counter-intuitive. Switching PCs at work made it mandatory that I went through all 'bad' Windows, like Vista and 8, now on w10. Sure, XP-7-w10 weren't\aren't that bad, but they all feel worse than the previous one. Nevertheless, I could've sticked to one of them, get used to, no problem. But they all get outdated, can't use X RAM, don't have DirectX N, aren't supported with security updates and are blocked from installing latest software.
Configuring it was very limited too. In W10 I can't call TotalCMD or other file manager instead of win expoler from other apps. It eats RAM like candies for no reason. Touchscreen interfaces with empty spaces and no right click are everywhere. Undoing telemetry and defender requires know-how or executing scripts, otherwise it's bloated. Start up times aren't the best too.
Linux is a headache and it's still far from a thing regular PC users would trust without a doubt to handle their usual tasks. The same state Windows slowly comes to, imho. But without being free and insanely customizable. The only things that I need to emulate are superproprietary DRMed products with no alternatives. They are a minority. Most users don't need them, so they have one less argument against switching.
That's my personal account tho. I'm a bit asurprised you like windows as a home system, so I'd want to hear about your positive experience with it if you have some outstanding moments with it.
People don't use Windows because it's a "fantastic" OS for their needs. It very evidently is not "fantastic" (or anywhere close) for anyone's needs but Microsoft's. People use Windows because it comes bundled with their PCs due to Microsoft's monopolistic malpractices, and because they can't get bothered to figure out how to get rid of that bloatware / malware (or, they would get rid of it if possible, but are held hostage by the software — or malware, e.g., Adobe — they need to work only working on Windows, again due to said monopolistic malpractices).
When was the last time you used Linux on the desktop? It has come a long way and is getting better every month
A Linux user watching someone use (and bitch) about Windows is like watching someone right click to copy & paste.
If you know of a vast improvement, why would you keep the benefits of better things to yourself?
Think about how often Windows users bitch about Windows. Think about how many zillions of things they bitch about and how many new things they find to bitch about all the time. Think about how many Windows users say things like, "I love this OS!" or, "This OS is so cool! Look what I can do!"
Now think about how many Linux users you see bitching about Linux. Think about how many are super excited about it and how many instantly become, "fanatics" practically overnight.
There's a reason
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You sound like a 12 year old
Least insane windows fanboy
I'm technical and I still prefer Windows at home. Linux, as great as it can be for development, is not great for everyone. It doesn't "just work." My favourite example of Linux not "just" working is when Linus tried to install Steam on Pop_OS. He accidentally nuked the entire desktop. I could have easily done the same if I wasn't paying careful attention. One should never, ever be able to destroy their OS by installing Steam. That's part of the issue. When things go wrong, all of the instructions which present on Google are people providing terminal commands. Unless one is very comfortable with using the terminal, they're going to be copying and pasting these commands in and hoping for the best. This is what went wrong for Linus. This is far worse than following GUI based troubleshooting techniques which guide the user through defined and safe resolutions.
This over-reliance on the terminal is pervasive, and I find myself having to use it for everything from basic OS configuration to software installation to software configuration to drivers to hardware installation and troubleshooting. Every year I boot up a new flavour just to see if things have improved, and they haven't. Ultimately Linux is built by developers, for developers. That's great, and it does many things really well. I've just come to accept that it doesn't do consumer stuff very well. It lacks the UX polish present in Windows and MacOS, and most consumers like that. It fails especially hard when it comes to gaming. I literally cannot install any of my Fanatec wheel/peddle/shifter peripherals in any distro. Only 18% of games on ProtonDB are Tier 1. Even of those, it doesn't guarantee a trouble-free experience. Half the top streamed Twitch games just don't run on Linux at all, or require absurd workarounds and suffer from terrible performance.
I'll keep using Linux for my home server, but it's along way from replacing my PC or laptop OS.
There was nothing accidental about Linus. He did it on purpose, the system very clearly told him not to.
And Proton works much better than you imply. I don't know about their new "tiered" rating, but 30% games get Platinum rating (top 1000 most popular titles by player count). Besides that 45% have Gold, and nowadays more often than not that means the game simply just works.
Trying to say "oh, but it doesn't always work perfect!" is just nonsense.
How many games work perfectly without any issues on Windows?
And please don't say anything about "UI polish" on Windows when it can't even keep all its UI consistent - it'd be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
And Twitch... almost every game in top #10 works perfectly without any troubles, so what's your point exactly?
Happend to me without any warning.
I wanted to uninstall icons from the GUI and it did remove all desktop environment.
I had the exact same thing happen to me once, except I didn't get an ARE YOU ABSOLUTELY SURE warning. It just listed a bunch of packages like it always did, except this time it was listing packages it was about to remove, not packages that could be upgraded like it usually does. That was 8 years ago, so maybe they added the warning some time after that? But by that point I'd already dealt with enough issues that I just lost all motivation to use Linux as a desktop anymore. It's just always something.
No, the system asked him if he was sure he wanted to install Steam. He was.
You think telling players that 30% of their games are playable without issue is a benefit. What I read is that 70% of my games are not guaranteed to run.
I’m not sure how you can compare different menu styles with allowing the entire OS to self destruct. That’s quite the disingenuous comparison.
Of the top 10 video games playes on Twitch right now, these games either don’t run at all, or Proton reports game-breaking issues:
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No, the steam install failed, and he went looking for solutions and one of the potential solutions he found literally says "proceeding might break your system, continue?" And he said yes. The thing that broke his system had nothing to do with steam apart from being recommended by someone somewhere to fix the issue he was having.
Also you can very much play GTA V on Linux.
You know when's the last time I nuked my Windows install from trying out suggestions on how to fix a failing steam install? Never.
If you think this should be a normal thing to happen, you can just continue to dream of seeing Linux desktop ever reaching mainstream status.
And I never did it on Linux either. Just because Linus is a dumbass who can't read doesn't mean you should disregard an entire os.
It's pretty clear you're doing your best to misrepresent the reality, so arguing any further is useless...
Check you facts, see what Linus really did, as a self-proclaimed technical person you should be able to understand very clear warnings he ignored after running random commands he didn't understand.
Maybe read again. 75% of the most popular games on Steam have at least Gold rating, which means they have minor glitches or need trivial workarounds.
You've brought up the point about UI polish.
You're the one trying to compare UI polish to ignoring simple warnings.
Breaking your system on purpose does not quality as self-destruct.
I only use my over speed PC for one thing. Gaming. I've looked into going to Linux and shuddered at the immense trouble trying to make it work for me. I'm with you in that I have the knowledge, having used it for a couple decades, but I just don't care to put myself through mountains of bullshit for an idea.
I also do programming and am fairly used to the terminal, and I still have a headache when thinking of going back to linux, because even when I want to do something as simple as watching netflix on firefox I had to go through a maze of troubleshooting via the terminal to get the correct packages installed. I can't imagine what someone who isn't tech savvy who tries to switch to linux would do.
The user experience on linux and its distributions just aren't there for the everyday user, and until they are, windows will always be the preferable choice because it actually works. You don't have to end up having a dispute with it on some arbitrary software download because it doesn't quite like it, and have to wrangle through many software alternatives that aren't always available or even anywhere near feature ready because they aren't available on the platform.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s):
when Linus tried to install Steam on Pop_OS.
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source; check me out at GitHub.
This is actually funny because I installed steam on pop os without issues. But that said, sometimes it freeze my whole pc and I have to hard reboot it (idk why)
edit: I don't understand the down votes, it was supposed to be (as stated) funny and not insulting
Precisely
Linus fucked up his os by entering the command that prompted him "are you absolutely sure this is what you want to do? if you don't know, then it isnt." and presed yes. windows does the same when doing a factory restore, if you click "yes i'm sure" then that's on you. yes, ideally steam worked and he wouldn't have had to try to fix it, but that kind of thing happens all the time on all software, linux just gives you the option of fixing it yourself instead of going "welp i'm not using that".
this fix-it yourself mode of functionning is really what sets it apart from other OSes, for examp,e if you have a windows problem good luck finding anything beyond "have you tried dism /online?", which by the way is also a console command and is like the very first step in all windows troubleshooting.
as for gaming, I daily drive debian and i'm not really encountering any setbacks beyond the obvious "this game developpers is incapable of making a linux anti-cheat so it won't run on there at all" problem, or its cousin "this game developper is incapable of going into their EAC dashboard and click 'enable linux support'" (yes, it is that easy, i have done it personally).
Also worth mentionning that Linus is accused by ex-employees of misconduct, and is generally an asshat when it comes to technology despite being a technology reviewer.
The thing with your first statement is there's so many times dealing with software when you are meant to just click 'yes I'm sure' that I've become desensitised to those warnings.
And see, this is the kind of bullshit response that drives home why, even using it for a ton of things myself, I absolutely hate having to use Linux. Any time you ever encounter a problem, you always get the absolute shittiest responses imaginable from people. It's always your fault for being such a filthy uneducated peasant, and never the OS's for being incredibly unintuitive and esoteric at times.
"How do I do 'thing'?" invariably receives a response of "What kind of fucking idiot are you for wanting to do 'thing'? No one should ever do 'thing'. Thread closed"
After using Windows for nearly 25 years at this point and doing thousands of installs, do you know how many times I've encountered some basic thing that's utterly broken, and hasn't been fixed by one of the basic commands like dism or some other relatively painless fix? I can probably count it on a single hand. Do you know how many times I've used even very "friendly" distros of Linux and spent at least tens of hours having to fix something that completely shit the bed after doing something basic like Linus did? Damn near every single time.
Here's the thing: I don't mind dealing with those issues (aside from any time I have to ask questions, see the aforementioned community behavior), because I like fixing things and appreciate the incredible power and flexibility Linux offers, hence why I use it for my dev machine, homelab setup, etc. But 99.9% of the population is never going to put up with that shit, and the insanely toxic community doesn't help things either.
Also, nice ad hominem there. I had no idea that being a shitty person made it okay for the OS to nuke the desktop environment when trying to install Steam. I guess if it only happens to asshats, then it's totally okay then.
@skyspydude1
Trying to spread some FUD towards Linux and the Linux community, are you?
From his perspective, he was sure he wanted to install Steam. I don’t understand why you find that confusing. It’s only people with experience who understand that that message might indicate a system incompatibility, and it might nuke the OS. IMHO, no consumer OS should ever run the risk of being broken by installing Steam. There is no excuse for that.
No, this kind of thing doesn’t happen all the time on Windows. There’s no way to nuke Windows by installing Steam.
That's not the problem... The problem is Linux isn't "normal". Their work laptop comes with Windows or osx. Their home computer comes with the same.
Now go tell the average person to install Linux... To them, you might as well be telling them to open up their computer and snip a jumper to make their computer faster. To them, you're telling them to take their working computer and do something they don't really understand and is beyond their ability to undo.
It's an aftermarket modification to them. If you want to make Linux approachable, it's really damn simple. Hand them a computer running Linux, with a pretty desktop manager, and a GUI for everything you expect them to do with it. Better yet, add an app store so they can try out software and run updates without feeling intimidated
My point is, if manufacturers start selling Linux machines again, a lot of people will get on board
People aren't opposed to learning, they're just scared of breaking it, and they need to at least be able to use a web browser without going up a learning curve
LMAO
People like you are the reason I haven't tried Linux.
I’m not up my own ass enough to proudly declare myself “naturally adventurous,” but I have stayed at a few Holiday Inn Expresses in other towns before. I use Debian and Ubuntu somewhat regularly, but mostly use Windows and MacOS in daily life, and I don’t understand where the “sinking ship” metaphor comes in. Microsoft will attempt this recurring-revenue monetization, and it will either be successful, or it won’t; Windows won’t go away if it isn’t. Otherwise, Apple prints money from its beautifully made consumer-friendly hardware, which also features shockingly good in-house silicon.
No ships are sinking. This isn’t some grand narrative where Linux awaits us all at the end of personal-computing history.
Humans are creatures of habit. The average user won't switch until the pain of using what they know outweighs the pain of learning something new + the fear of something new.
I have mint dual booted on my laptop with Win 11. I find myself using Win11 more.
Idk why, linux mint doesn't feel finished to me:
It does work mostly ok though and is quick, but it doesn't feel polished. Ubuntu was great but fuck snap packages.
If you're using synaptics as the touchpad manager, there is a config element to control the speed of the scroll
It’d certainly convince me. I run windows 11 since my laptop came with it but if I had to pay for my OS I’d run to Linux. The existence of Proton makes it much easier to switch now as well.
I'm in the same boat and have been waffling about it for some time. At least we kind of have a target for when our research needs to be done.
Switching to a Linux can be overwhelming. A few distros have made great strides to make most of the OS work right after installing it. But even if there’s only 1% issues due to hardware, drivers, gaming, etc., troubleshooting those issues would often require using terminal and are not accessible to everyone. There’s no customer support to reach out to, and online forums can be difficult to navigate for someone not familiar with coding.
It 'can' be overwhelming, yes. I've never found, however, so MANY online guides that literally tell you step by step what to enter in the terminal window to succeed. There's always a learning curve, it's just about whether or not you want to pay Windows every month to avoid figuring this out. This is why I mentioned Mint specifically, btw. It's the most user friendly.
Most of my tech literate (yes, literate, not illiterate) friends were actually supportive of this.
So imagine what tech illiterates will be like.
Most people will just accept it as a cost of computing, I fear.
For personal use maybe. Im 100% my job (and possibly most workplaces) will just eat the subscription cost to stick with what they know.
Arch
btw?
I have used Windows for a decade now and keep using it because my workflows and the application support are there. But as someone that uses Linux on my server, has tried out Linux desktops, and uses WSL, I can confidently say that I am gone if they start charging me a subscription. It will be annoying as hell but just like leaving Reddit I am willing to give up some niceties to keep my money and my morals.
The rise of Linux is upon us
So the year of the Linux desktop is finally happening
So does Linux, I subscribe to the Arch rss feed, which is the operating system I use btw.
"We'll shut down your computer after this quick message from our sponsor!"
I knew sooner or later they'd push me to Linux, but that'd do it alright
With this subscription, the year of the Linux desktop will finally be here.
I know there's always someone evangelizing Linux when you mention Windows anything, but when Microsoft requires a subscription for Windows is the day I will actually move to Linux.
This might finally provide the momentum to switch to Linux.
I can confirm if Windows ever required a subscription I'd be swapping to Linux so fast. So Fast.
Would fit in with the fact that Microsoft has just patched the remote activation exploit that was used for years.
They patched KMS‽
They patched HWID, but looks like a new version dropped shortly afterwards
I think they're referring to the use of a Windows 7 key to get a Windows 10/11 upgrade?
Good thing I've been learning to use linux for the past couple of years, if they double down on this I'll switch permanently, just got to find a distro I like because I haven't been able to find anything that just "works" without eventually having to open the terminal for one reason or another.
I would switch to Linux.... Gaming has gotten much better on it thanks to proton.
I'm so confused why Bungie doesn't just flip the Linux switch on... they don't have to do anything else. Cheating can't be the problem, since most cheats are developed for Windows anyways... as for support, the Linux community is very self sufficient, look at all the games running on through proton out of the box
I actually rather like win 10. Win 11 I'm holding off on until they fix the taskbar.
If they go subscription, I go Ubuntu.
Sometimes moneygrubbing shareholders do us a favor by steering companies into implementing terrible policies. If Reddit wouldn't have been so greedy with it's treatment of third-party app developers most of use wouldn't be on Lemmy right now. If Microsoft forces Windows users to pay a subscription I think it sends more people away from closed-source garbage and into the arms of the open source community. I've enjoyed watching Reddit implode, hopefully I get to watch a similar show from our friends at Microsoft.
Uhhhhh....
https://www.windowscentral.com/software-apps/windows-11/no-of-course-windows-12-wont-require-a-subscription-to-use
Maybe this isn’t for personal editions.
I’d suspect Microsoft would prefer to move personal editions to being mostly perpetual and OEM licenses, while a subscription service for business/enterprise makes more sense. Windows licensing for business is a nightmare and a per-install subscription model could be much simpler to manage while still offering good breaks under Enterprise Agreements and putting license and support under one annual sku.
ETA: Also, worth remembering that “Windows 365” is a thing and it’s very useful for DaaS. Term-based licensing makes tons of sense for DaaS/Cloud Desktop/VDI environments.
And actually, that could make a lot of sense in a future home/personal market with purpose built thin clients. Or perhaps even a set top box. Maybe, even, the Series S. A small monthly/annual fee to to make your Series S into a full-fledged desktop PC, sounds like a hell of a deal to me.
Linux. Again. Install Linux
Ubuntu Linux Debian Linux Fedora Linux Pop!os linux Arch Linux for all i care
Install Linux, stop accepting this bullshit from Microsoft. ALL of their software sucks, they care more about marketing and pulling money out of your pocket than actually giving quality software.
Open source software blows everything Microsoft out of the water, stop accepting the bullshit
I'm already using Linux alot, and Windows 10 sometimes. I would drop Windows entirely if it were subscription model.
Not even confirmed but people here are already losing their mind.
Bahahaha okay. Linux here we come!
I have ran GNU/Linux since the early 1990s. Practically since it first existed. Distributions like MuLinux, Yellowdog Linux, Slackware, Debian, etc. This generally has lead to multiple difficulties. Sometimes I had to dual boot to get around said difficulties. Around 2010, I got good enough with WINE, software work arounds and alternatives that I didn't need to dual boot anymore. I did like to play various games still back then, but around 2010 Valve's GNU/Linux support was improving (unless my memory deceives me)
This post has made me feel that for the first time, all that struggle was worth it, heh.
On a side note, there's some sort of dark irony with personal ownership dying under capitalism. I feel like the majority of us hate all these subscriptions models, but we keep playing along .vs. becoming cave hermits.
After seeing what the Steam Deck does with Windows emulation for games, my interset in having a windows gaming computer is barely hanging on.
This would 100% influence my next gaming computer to shy away from Windows 12
"Windows 12 is now included with game pass ultimate "
Looks like the push I'll need to finally move all my gaming over to a Linux box.
Generally curious how many people that have clung to Windows largely due to gaming have made the switch or plan to make the switch now that Valve has done such great work with Proton. I know I am certainly considering it and this is the kind of thing that will expedite that.
Fuck that noise
A subscription really would push me to linux. I already prefer it at work anyway.
I don't even want windows 11. What makes them think I'm gonna actively buy and pay a subscription for Windows 12. Linux exists and I will absolutely buy a computer, wipe it and put a Linux distro on it. Microsoft is way too invested in this subscription nonsense.
Hmm, I’ll be running Windows 10 after EOL then. I won’t pay for Adobe subscriptions, I won’t pay for ANY monthly subscriptions. I will license lifetime software with 1 year of updates but that software works after the update phase has passed.
They’re seemingly making windows less and less enterprise friendly. Which I thought was their bread and butter. It’s crazy since they’re not even competing with other OS on a price level. Linux is free and MacOS is free but with hardware. It’s like MS is purposely tanking Windows I don’t get it.
I've started to transition into linux to prepare for the future. It's been good so far.
That feel when you just moved to Linux and you still enjoy Halo and Forza.
Sign me up! I need yet another monthly subscription!
I'm only on windows because it's easier for my setup and game support. The second that becomes costly or annoying is when I nuke my C drive and reinstall Mint. I used to use it as my daily before I started gaming heavily, I can easily go back.
And Windows 12 will become business use only.
edit, i only see this being the case for an enterprise version tied to azure ad. There will still be a retail version.
What will be the Windows equivalent to "drink verification can?"
I’m just so sick of it. God I miss the early 2000s era of just about everything.
Looks like M$ really got to like Linux! It does everything to promote it! :D
autokms is gonna get a lot more popular if microsoft do this
I mean, how the hell wouldn't it? What's more surprising to me is that they didn't do this with 11. Everyone is totally used to this model at this point and while we all hate it, it's become the accepted way of living for most tech products now. If you are a big corporation and can get away with making customers rent your product instead of buy it, you are going to make so much more money. Of course they will choose this.
I'm somewhat amused by the fact that lots of people are suggesting Linux as an alternative but can't agree on which flavor to use as the alternative.
Don't get me wrong, I think Linux is awesome, but this is the problem. You're never going to get the saturation necessary to bring average consumers over in significant numbers until they have a clear choice.
This has already been debunked.
I would definitely pay a subscription for windows 12 if hell froze over and it was the only operating system on Earth. I have very little experience with Linux, limited entirely to my steam deck, and it certainly hasn't been awful. It isn't what most of us are used to but it's not like it's completely insane and unusable.
This is good news for everyone.
Hello Linux my old friend..........
I would assume that the subscription they found is similar to existing subscription models for enterprise like E5, which includes Windows 11. I doubt this will get to the consumer level.
They can't even consistently get people to pay for one time and they're expecting a subscription? Lol they're massively out of touch.
Windows was kind of cool until Windows XP (Windows 2000 was also really good), because at the time you felt like you had software where you could see that lots of engineering went into it, and most importantly that you could feel you owned (EULA-aside obviously): you pay once for the license and it's done, the OS is immediately usable. Recent Windows versions went through enshittification and Microsoft now harasses you from time to time to join their online services. Even on the first boot you immediately get harassed to create a Microsoft account and allow them to use your data, and you need to say no many times. Microsoft still makes you feel like you aren't done paying.
It's frankly hilarious how Microsoft is killing its own product. Windows went from something that used to be good and felt like a real software engineering product (Windows 2000 and XP) to something now that feels like a sketchy malware-infused phone app.
I have been using computers since before there was an internet. I have used DOS and now Windows 10. Is there a good place to learn about Linux with a GUI and which one I should purchase? I'm so tired of M$.
Edit: I am primarily a PC gamer that uses Steam and this is what has kept me from using another OS in the past.
Ha! They can blow me all the way to my full Linux conversion at that point.
How to lose marketshare speedrun?
I'm probably going to get flammed for this, so let me just say I'm already a Linux user.
We need to cool our jets here. Windows 12 isn't even confirmed yet, and there's no proof that it will require a subscription. That being said, a subscription service isn't necessarily a bad thing if it will allow users to have access to features they need, or replace other existing subscription services like xbox game pass, cloud storage, media, etc...
I L O L from Linux.
Subscriptions need to fuck off. I made a stand a few months ago. I will not subscribe to anything at all unless i'm getting INSANE value.
Cancelled streaming, random apps, patreon etc. I now have usenet and backblaze b2 for about £3 a month each. Saving me a fortune 🏴☠️🦜
If only Photoshop and After Effects worked on Linux / Wine I wouldve switched long ago..
I don't think this is anyway a serious option. They aren't idiots.
My guess is they’ll follow the Office model: offer both as an option, but slowly improve only the subscription version until it’s not really feasible to stay on the pay-once model. Then kill it off. So maybe we have another 5-8 years before it’s fully enshittified?
I mean, they already advertise in the operating system, is it really that far of a stretch? Shareholders have to squeeze that rock as much as they can.
I think it's a stretch, maybe not a big one but still. This could cause a shift to another os, at least in countries where having such a model is out of the question. And something like that can cause a snow ball effect of people switching. Right now Microsoft is still in a sweet position, problems already coming from apple. They wouldn't.
I would imagine if it does happen, there will be another reddit style migration. The pissed off leave and everyone who doesn't care or aren't upset enough stays.
Microsoft please make the default OS a subscription. I want what happened to Reddit+Lemmy+etc to happen to Windows+Linux
It's not free, when you pay for a laptop or something that has a valid windows license on it, it's actually included in the price of that laptop
What support lmao
I doubt that Windows 12 itself will require a subscription. There will probably be a subscription for all the AI trash Micro$oft has been implementing into the OS.
I've seen some people saying that there's no way Microsoft is this stupid. Some really, really, really obviously bad choices (see: Wizards of the Coast's OGL debacle) have been made because MBAs got greedy and convinced themselves it would be fine. I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would fuck up this badly, but it's not out of the spectrum of possibility. What I think is more likely is that this is one of those 'leaks' where they're testing the public reaction, like when Wizards leaked the changes to the OGL via journalists. Hopefully (or not, if you're a Linux fan) Microsoft plays it smarter than Wizards, because Wizards saw the immense public backlash, gave the sorriest corporate half apology ever, and then proceeded to double down, and it blew up in their face big time.
And that will be the end of me using Windows for anything aside from AutoCAD & ArcGIS.
And even then Proton will probably let them run just fine in Linux.
Yeah, I'll just get Linux.
Do it now, it's great :D
My desktop PC kicked the bucket after 10 years a few months back and I ended up using my Steam Deck as my primary computer for about a month. In that time I learned that Linux isn't so bad.
If forced to either pay a subscription for Windows or switch to Linux the choice seems simple for me at this point.
Honestly OneDrive is actually very good as far as cloud storage platforms go. It just works. I paid for a subscription for a few years.
But starting around the 1000th time Microsoft tried to install even more bloatware I started looking for alternatives. For the low low price of "spend a few minutes learning about Tailscale" and buying a few extra hard drives, I've got 24TB of storage. My most important stuff gets encrypted locally and backed up to B2. I use Immich to manage my photos, so now I dropped my Google Drive subscription as well. Still on the fence about Nextcloud's office suites but LibreOffice works great.
The only reason I still use Win11 is because gaming on Linux still has some issues with the games I play.
They are doing the same with Windows that they did with Office. Win12 will come as either one time purchase or subscription based but over the course of 10 years they'll push harder and harder on getting people into the subscription version. Once it has enough uptake, and it will get there, they will then start pushing the "Why run it on local hardware when you can put it in our cloud and access it from anywhere?".
They're already doing the Virtual Desktop thing in both M365 and Azure now so it'll be a pretty easy transition when comes.
Proton will be ready by then.
It's Linux time then.
This will be the first day in years I will try to make gaming work on Linux once again.
I hardly think MS is going this route. It maybe for AI stuff they are pushing in the OS and not the OS itself
This is great for linux, but I think many laptops come with a protected BIOS that won't allow you to boot other OS's what do you guys do in this case? Also, correct me if I'm wrong!
And then Linux will finally get the attention it has always deserved.
I don't really know how your gonna sell people on this exactly. Like people will just stop buying laptops. The average person just buys a laptop at walmart in the desired size, from any brand. They don't even really think about windows. I just don't really see this working for anyone. What will end up happening is Chromebooks will overtake the laptop market if microsoft goes all in on this.
the only reason why I still using windows is gaming. give me a platform where I can use steam and gog and I will not be touching windows ever again if not in a professional capacity.
Fuck subscription models
@billiam0202
Windows is nothing but a nightmare. It's privacy invasive, uses too much resources, breaks 24 7, has a boring UI, limited customization, more susceptible to viruses than any other OS, etc...
People should just switch over to Linux IMO.
I went full Linux (at home - no choice a work) in 2007. It was painful, though way less painful than it was for the folks doing it in the mid-late 90s. (I took a shot and failed during that time.)
Literally each passing year since then, with what I see at work and in the news regarding Microsoft and Windows, has done nothing but deepen my conviction that it was the right move.
I'm years past trying to convince people who don't care about the technical advantages, but I'm really disheartened to see how the telemetry and privacy concerns, and now the idea of software as a service, is not even a blip on most folks' radar.
@be_excellent_to_each_other
Most people don't care about their privacy as long as they have something that works for them and doesn't require a learning curve.
You've just restated the problem, IMO.
yep i guessed it end of windows 11 will begin growing of linux
At this rate I'm gonna be on 10 for forever
Lmao!
I would happily subscribe to an operating system for a fair price, as long as it's stable, compatible, has timely security updates and - and I highly doubt MS will do this one - without any bloat-, nag- or crapware. Make your default browser a browser, not a spying shopping coupon Bing AI mess. Let me choose the search engine the start menu uses (or use none at all), stop telling me to sign into OneDrive every chance you get, fuck off with your widgets, etc.
If I pay, you have no business trying to fuck me over, Microsoft.
I'll just use the pirated versions with the malware ripped off of it, thank you. Tiny11 is a beauty to run already.
Ahoy Mateys 🏴☠️
As much as I'd like a Linux rise from this, I think it's not unlikely Google will make a desktop OS (not the half done chrome OS.
So basically, finally Linux time? I actually like Windows but I ain't putting up with that shit.
Microsoft would be as stupid as your typical League of Legends player for going down that route. Doing this would be an own-goal and would give Linux market share instantly.
I can't imagine this is entirely true. I bet they will charge for advanced features
I donate to Gentoo every once in a while so I don't have to live this life.
Please do this microchumps
Look at reactOS for a redo of golden-age windows.
Good thing that not one OS is Windows in our household and workshop.
There is literally no advantage in using Windows anymore for us.
Wondering how will F2P games with anti-cheat react to the news. Knowing that much of their player base may jump ship to Linux to avoid the subscription fees, will they relent and start using less invasive anti-cheat programs, or will they try to adapt specific versions of Wine / Proton to work in rooted mode?
Laughing in Debian 12
I dare them to try
They gotta be crazy to do this to consumer Windows, since it's been like, free for a lot of people now.
Except for Onedrive, office365 and your data
Too sad that there is not the Office suite for Linux because it's really powerful
(I do use Open and LibreOffice at work. Personally they are mostly worse in comparison.)
Besides that I don't have a high dependance except for games. And looking at my SteamDeck it's not a high dependency.
If Steam can solve the anticheat and maybe even releases SteamOS as a desktop distro it would be very tempting to switch if I can't get anything else than a subscription or a free key.
BWahahahahaaaaaa! Ahhhh shoot that’s funny.
That’s the most Microsoft thing ever.
Steamdeck ahoy, then. The only reason I have a Windows box at all is for gaming.
So there is already a thing with Windows 11 where you can, as part of a Microsoft 365 subscription, upgrade your Windows 11 machine from Pro to Enterprise.
The idea of having the base OS be a subscription is really just a stones throw away.
... but the Pro -> Ent activation process is really a PITA and often randomly PC's will revert back to Pro after they've been ugpraded, so I guess we'll have fun with that.
Fair enough. Give me a clean windows without ads, auto installs from the store, telemetry and other data theft, Cortana/copilot/clippy, onedrive, edge, teams, Microsoft account and nag screens and I will gladly pay 1€ per month. Otherwise, Linux it is.
Windows 12? Did they ever explicitly revoke the "Windows 10 will be the last"?
I thought 11 was an exception die to the hardware requirements.
But I guess any big enough change can be a new reason for the next.
Fck them. Fck all subscription models. I ended every subscriptions which I was forced into apart from proton ecosystem which is worth 10$ monthly to me. Either I own it or go fck yourself.
There ins no fcking way I'd pay monthly subscription for social networks.. 🤣
Microsoft can suck the juices out of my ass and thank me for it.
I want to see MICROSOFT burning along with streaming services, not only for the subscriptions they want to offer, but because they think they can do what ever they want, and that we will say yes and hand them the money! (harsh I know) What they want to achieve with subscription idea? profit monthly ? make more money than before? Yet people can install linux, but in our side as linux users, we have to provide safe interaction in linux environment to new uers.
We need to support true open hardware or less ACPI-WIndows first one. MS can do whatever they want with their OS BUT it should not mess with hardware.
I expected Framework to be a FOSS first laptop but eventually, it just became a wintel derivative.
I'll switch to fucking Apple before I pay a subscription for Windows.
Hopefully this is just some business related version and not for standard consumers
You can already purchase Windows through a subscription. Windows Business and Windows Enterprise are 365 subscription based editions.
already on linux. The only reason i ever load windows is my capture card doesn't work with linux yet (so like 2 times a month) this is how windows dies
at this point is there even a reason to use windows? I genuinely want to know from windows users, why are you still on this operating system?
for many years (since windows 8.1) I switched to using only linux (and at times macos), and I have never regretted my decision; what keeps you using this hellish platform?
That would be great. It would make it a lot easier to convince people to try Ubuntu.
Ok and I'll just crack it like I do with every other windows version.
Once I paid $250 for Windows pro and a month later my licence key stopped working, and Microsoft didn't do shit.
I even bought it directly from them!
Never paid money for Windows since.
IF there is going the be a subscription based windows version, it's most likely going the be the cloud version of Windows 11
Guess Microsoft is set on enshittifying itself to death like a sort of disgusting business dysentery.
They should make everything subscription corporations cant have enough money.
Aha-a-haha-hahahaHa!!!! Oh lord, that's so dumb.
Id rather be a femboy then use subscription windows
Please don't make me go back to Linux. Linux has become an unusable clusterfuck of bugs, poorly implemented trash, and garbage over the last several years and after using it since the late 90s through a few years back when it was good, I've recently decided to free myself from it because I couldn't take it any more. I've accepted that Windows is the only OS that has itself together these days (fuck Apple and its trash, overpriced, hardware-tied OS, fuck the extremely limited ChromeOS, fuck NODRIVERS *BSD, and especially goddamn fuck horrible user interface crappy system mobile OSes), so if Microsoft makes some shit moves to make their OS unusable, I'm just going to throw all the computers in the trash and go live in the wilderness in a shack chopping wood.
Guaranteed this is just some enterprise-level shit someone found and decided to publish for clickbait, though, so I'm not too worried. Too.
Is it possible to invest in Linux?
you can learn to code and submit a PR
I said invest, not donate! But this is also a good idea.
I said invest, not donate! But this is also a good idea.
Relax, it was a joke you raging fuckball