what E-Mail provider do you use and why
I'm currently still using gmail unfortunately
Cock.li (airmail.cc)looks very nice but it is invite only
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Comments116I'm currently still using gmail unfortunately
Cock.li (airmail.cc)looks very nice but it is invite only
I use Protonmail as they offer quite a bit of privacy, offer lots of features, and are free. I particularly like that they protect from tracking pixels notifying the sender you read their email.
Proton gang checking in. So much so that I pay them 😊 (actually needed paid features)
Same. Proton gang.
I have plenty to criticize about their lack of creature comforts, but alas.
Yeah.... I love proton but their android app also needs work. They'll get there!
Yeah, the Android app is total garbage.
I don't know if it'll ever "get there" because they've not demonstrated that they're putting in any effort at all. It's currently on version 3.0.16. According to ApkMirror, they released 3.0.1 in June of 2022. So that's over a year of "stability improvements and bug fixes". Meanwhile they launched Proton Pass, Proton captcha, desktop clients for Drive, introducing new plans, etc.
Honestly, I just want threaded conversations on mobile.
They released the rewrite as a beta apk at the weekend for testers. So it's definitely going somewhere.
It's faster and has conversations on the app too.
https://proton.me/support/mail-android-beta
https://www.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/16veha9/join_the_new_proton_mail_beta_on_android/
Indeed, same here but while using my own domain name, this way if some day, for whatever reason, either they go "bad" or I find "better" I can switch without much worry.
Protonmail and SimpleLogin has been a great combo.
Then pay for it if that's a feature you want. They make a product, and want to get paid for it.
The service is absolutely free. That feature is not.
Local and offline desktop mail clients in 2023 are now niche features, especially when the service we are discussing gives you a super solid webUI and mobile apps (which also work offline). The rain why Protonmail has this as a paid feature is because only a small subset of it's users even need this as a feature, and it requires a special network bridge to make possible.
Posteo.de - 100% renewable energy. Full industry standard encryption. No tracking, no adds. Annual transparency report. Supporting social and environmental efforts. Great treatment of their employees.
Its reliable but I might look into other options that aren't so far away
Why would that matter?
Latency and speed
I mean, its email. What's the difference between 1 second and 5 seconds? I don't get why this is an issue, its hardly e-🐌✉️
Also comes with an XMPP account built in, although they should probably update their Ejabberd sometimes 😅
Opinion on the price changes? 1 eur plan doesn't work with custom domains anymore so I'm looking for alternatives.
Strictly speaking it's not a price increase, the 1 EUR plan is still there. However, support for custom domains has been removed and is only available from 3 EUR plan and upwards under the new pricing scheme.
I'm kind of grandfathered into the old 1 EUR plan that still supports custom domains, but I can't extend it any further. This means when my account credit dries up I need to choose one of the new pricing schemes ( 1 eur w/o custom domain vs 3 eur ... etc.)
Did not know this... Also currently on the 1 EUR plan since it was the best bang for buck that included custom domains. Might start looking into other options when my plan runs out
Search your inbox, they (mailbox.org admin) have sent multiple emails in the past urging users to choose between the new pricing schemes.
As for the alternatives, I'm considering runbox.com and migadu.com, but not entirely sure.
migadu does seem like a good option. Curious what you have chosen? I am also looking at fastmail standard to replace simplelogin email aliasing since it would be the same price as simplelogin + migadu/runbox.
Sorry for the late answer. I ended up choosing Midagu for the time being. Unlimited inbox sounded attractive enough as using alias in my use case wasn't cutting it.
Is self hosting a valid answer?
I host my own email.
Where do you host that's reasonably priced and still has an IP pool that isn't immediately blacklisted by Google, Yahoo and Microsoft?
I self host an email server at home with a 1€/month domain from strato.de, and I just use their SMTP server as relay. No issues so far, and they also include a backup mx for when my home server goes offline.
That's a pretty good setup. I used to use Amazon SES same way, but they dropped free SES tier. Still reasonably cheap, but more than 1€/mo.
I have to say though, having someone else take care of all updates, backups, etc is worth it for $10/year. You can also bring your own domain. Their servers are not the fastest, but that's my only real complaint with purelymail.com.
ICD Soft
I've used them for 20 years. I've never had an email problem. Their spam detection and mitigation is pretty good too.
Well I have some hardware colocated at a DC so I can't speaktoo much about cost plus IP reputation. I can also only rely on individual IP blacklist checking. If MS has decided on their own to blacklist an entire subnet there isn't much to be done about that.
That's what I mean. You cannot host in Hetzner, for example, unless you use an outside service like SES for outgoing mail. Their IPs are globally shit listed.
I can't think of another provider that even comes close in pricing for colo services.
My main point is that it is seemingly impossible to tell what Microsoft has and has not shit listed because may operate their own internal list which isn't published.
I'm somewhat of the opinion though that more people should self host email and try to be a thorn in the side of these corps implementing arbitrary rules. If more people aren't receiving email more reports about I will be generated and that will hopefully result in more people like us getting our email successfully delivered.
Couldn't agree more, but these policies exist because spammers host their own servers. Without a network of trust, you'd have to dig through a thousand of emails every day to find the one from your friend.
On the one hand I hear self hosting email is great, on the other hand I hear it's a pain in the ass to get whitelisted
I've had zero problems getting whitelisted, but I also don't send email much these days.
Well my IP isn't on any blacklists but I can't speak on getting whitelistred" by providers. I can send to gmail without going to spam. Idon't generally send much email though.
Just curious, are you using DDNS or do you have a static IP?
I have static IPs. That is going to be a required item for hosting email.
I'm oldschool.
I've had my own domains and mail servers for the past 3 decades and will maintain them for as long as I live.
And these days, all but the storage runs of Pi3, so it's barely using any power either.
I use Fastmail - not too expensive, really good webmail client, has working shared calendar that isn't OWA, and isn't advertising scraping my e-mail. I would have liked a more private service, but back when I moved from self hosted to a service, that was about the best I could get that also had calendaring.
I also switched to Fastmail. iirc they are not the best privacy wise as they are based in Australia. They do however have a no-nonsense IMAP connection (unlike Protonmail) and they allow multiple custom domains without extra pay. The IMAP connection however is not available on the lowest tier.
So far I've not regretted the switch, and it also integrates nicely with 1Password masked mails.
Any email with cock in the name will trigger filtering. It also has the side effect of making me unemployable
Proton (free - 1GB storage, 500MB before doing 4 "tasks") for family, friends, and business types uses, although I'd rather have an integrated calendar (instead of it being a separate app).
Tutanota (free - 1GB storage) for bills, purchases, etc., basically everything else, because I'm never going to say "my email is [email protected]" to anyone I know, especially business acquaintances. So far, I like Tutanota more than Proton, especially the integrated calendar, but that name...... sounds like something my mother or grandparents were scammed into using.
On desktop, I'm currently using Thunderbird (TB) for a couple of older gmail accounts (in the process of transitioning away from), although I hate the recent update to TB. Haven't tried the Tutanota desktop app yet, but web version of email & calendar work adequately. Maybe I'll transition from TB now, after their recent changes.
Considered mailbox.org, but I'm not going to pay for it (no free version), especially when they don't at least have a cell app. Skiff may be worth looking at. Can't recall why I didn't try them.
EDIT: I've now installed Skiff (free - 10GB) as well and liking it so far. Using webmail seems easy and straight forward, cell app looks about the same (but haven't spent too much time on it yet). REALLY like that you basically get 4 email accounts (1 main and 3 alias account names), which is different than Tutanota and Proton. With the different aliases, this gives me an option to use Skiff for everything (if I choose to "put everything in one basket" at some point). Skiff sounds a little better than "Tuta" for business acquaintances as well, but not by much. No integrated calendar, but significantly larger storage is a plus.
I tried Proton, even paid for a year. But hot damn the Android app is garbage. So I've moved to Fastmail and I like it a lot. The app is snappy and I love that it has calendar, contacts, mail, notes, and files storage all in the same app. I used a custom domain with Proton so wasn't hard to switch to a different provider. Just wish I would've known how bad the mobile app was before I plunked down the money.
They are rewriting android app from scratch rn
I've heard that. Boy does it need it. But I'll admit I don't like that their focus seems to be on introducing new products instead of making their existing lineup more reliable/performant. And not making many strides in the Linux world.
Fastmail here as well. I don't need super privacy. The phone app is great. Was easy to setup my personal domain.
I use protonmail, simplelogin (for email aliases) and tutanota.
This one isn't for daily private use, more like a throwaway email service for when sites and services have no earthly business asking your email other than to track you and send junk mail...
dispostable.com
Edit: You don't even have to register an account with them, just make up an email with them and it should just work for most sites.
I use irrelevant at dispostable dot com to use Walmart's free WiFi, the password on Walmart's side is Walmart1 hahahaha!
I’m gonna steal your walmart wifi
https://bugmenot.com/
this is a sometimes useful website for sharing logins - especially for websies that shouldn't need logins.
thanks for the link!
LOL, go for it, I gave Walmart the name 'Anonymous Human', as if I was gonna give them a real name.. 😂🤣
My last trip to Walmart I used the email [email protected]
Protonmail, but not really because of encryption. I just liked their Android client and webmail the most. I've had sensitive backups on Proton Drive for a long time, so that also played a role in the choice.
I hosted my own server for quite a few years, but the SMTP clients (Thunderbird, Evolution, K9 mail) all doing things slightly differently made me give up. Biggest push was that K9 mail didn't really move deleted mail to trash. These were probably dovecot configuration issues, but I got tired of searching for solutions. Never had any deliverability issues.
Purely mail.
$10/year.
Every provider out there encrypts mail at rest. You're exchanging emails with Gmail, Yahoo or Hotmail anyway. Pretending like your email is any safer with Proton or clones is a waste of money imho.
This is why I like posteo. They are cheap and easy
That's actually really expensive. 2GB is not a lot unless you're starting from scratch. My 50gb account would cost me ~15€/mo with aliases and extra storage fees.
But most importantly they don't support bringing your own domains which makes it a non-starter for most people looking for custom email solution.
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Tutanota. I used to use Proton, but they don’t encrypt folder names, which is a deal breaker. Tutanota does, and they’re also a privacy respecting, reputable, decent service.
Is that true? They don't encrypt labels on proton?
Sadly, yes. A Proton team member on Reddit confirmed it a couple years back:
https://old.reddit.com/r/ProtonMail/comments/hxomoy/are_mail_folderstags_encrypted_or_private/fzc6wry/
Do note that this is ONLY true for Mail. Calendar, and Drive does encrypt folders/label names.
Subject lines are also not encrypted, unlike Tutanota.
How would that work? Email doesn't have a subject line encryption standard.
They implemented their own way of doing this. They don‘t use PGP. I don‘t know how it exactly works, but it‘s open source, so you can look at it yourself.
The problem is it doesn't work unless everyone does it the same way. Pgp isn't perfect but at least its a standard.
I use runbox. It costs money, but is affordable. They also take privacy and security seriously, and they take steps to help the environment when possible.
First runbox user I've seen in the wild. +1 for runbox, it has worked great for in the last ~6 years or so.
The 100 aliases you get are very useful. The fact it costs money may be a turn off for many, but I'd personally wouldn't trust a privacy statement from a closed source free service.
Keep in mind that runbox 7 is the only Foss option. The other one is proprietary
How do you think it compares to Posteo? I mainly chose them because environmental awareness, privacy consciousness and usage of libre software.
I don't know since I've never used them personally
I'm in the process of migrating to Proton from Gmail and Outlook. All 4 mailboxes imported, now just the tedious job of updating credentials on all the websites remains...
Selfhosted mail-in-a-box solution. Easy to maintain and configure.
any competently run service that gets you away from the tech conglomerates will work
fuck proton mail, bring your own encryption
Paid Proton Mail with my own domain name and own PGP keypair. Although it now has a way to securely search mail, I use the bridge service to allow Betterbird mail to sync my mail to my PC for searching.
I use Tutanota I think it's a really good private email client.
Haven't seen his answer here yet, but I use Zoho. It has a free tier IIRC and supports custom domain.
Not sure how private it is, tho.
I've been using ProtonMail for a while now and it works very well, they also offer a drive, calendar, password manager, VPN; you can choose if you want all the features or just email.
I also tried Tutanota and they do a good job as well, they're a smaller company and don't have as many features as Proton but if all you need is reliable, private e-mail, it's a good option.
For privacy, I believe Proton Mail https://proton.me/mail has been the standard.
I switched to hosting my own inbound mail. I mostly switched because after trying a few providers they almost all dropped some email that I wanted (not Spam, completely dropped) so I set up my own. It is quite nice to have full control over configuration, filtering, backups and whatever else.
Right now I am using a paid rely to send, but maybe I'll see how my IP's reputation at some point.
Migadu they are super affordable. Great service. Privacy focused.
ProtonMail because they're at the very least non-intrusive and don't have a track record of snooping through emails, google im looking at you mf
I could invite you.
This would be nice
If I remember correctly cock.li is also hosting some really bad Nazi domains and has apparently no problem with that...
For the Proton people. I learnt about a guy that ended up in a US court and they asked proton for all his emails and the handed them right away, no questions asked.
While this is undesirable, you can't expect a corporation to break the law for you just because. proton at least is better than the rest of the corporate, for-profit providers who sell your data to the highest bidder.
Different country, this shouldn't have happened.
Got a source for that? Proton isn't able to access to any user emails. I believe Swiss law also makes it illegal for them to provide user information without a (Swiss) court order.
The only case I've heard of that was similar was when the Swiss court ordered them to provide all the info they had on a user. This was the last IP address they logged on from and a recovery email the user had entered. The recovery email is an optional thing the user had set up on their account. They also used this same email address to sign up for a Twitter account. They were able to get enough data from Twitter to identify the person.
Courts can require you to provide your password in some circumstances. Where your email is stored is irrelevant.
In that case Proton wouldn't be providing the data, the user would be. Proton can't provide what they don't have.
This wasn't the case, at all. Proton simply handed the entire mailbox decrypted.
That seems unlikely since your data is encrypted with a password they don't have.
I'm simply reporting on what I've been told and saw. Form what I read seem to be using asymmetric encryption and generating a private key itself protected with your password when you sign up. There's no guarantee they don't have an unprotected copy of that as well.
Vast majority of Proton users signed up because Proton promises your data is safe at rest. Even from them. In fact, they specifically advertise this protects them from subpoenas because they cannot provide decrypted copy of user's data.
Of course, the only emails that are encrypted with proton are proton->proton. Mail between proton and anyone else, like say gmail, isn't encrypted unless you pgp it separately.
You were being mislead with false information. Share appropriate sources to back up whatever you are saying. Proton has regular audits for security and encryption for all their products, which makes whatever you've been told pretty much false information
What's more likely? a) I'm being mislead by someone that actually got into legal trouble that involved them and isn't profiting in any way from it or b) You / everyone else that simply is eating their marketing and PR is being mislead in some way.
Truth is, none of us can prove their claims and auditors are true.
Yes I do, and I tried encouraged my source to make the entire thing public but no luck there. In this case the person was already identified it wasn't much of an issue, the issue is that Proton simply provided everything to an US court without even a flinch. Apparently they can access user emails and they do without much fuzz.
That's called hearsay.
That doesn't hold up against the publicly available source code for their applications, white papers on their security and encryption, and multiple independent security reviews. And again, they are legally required to ignore US court orders. Only a Swiss court order can compel them to provide user information.
Yes, I know about all of that.
show the source mothe*****r
iCloud Mail. I have a Proton account, but the app takes several seconds to load and show me my messages on my phone and I hate the delay. Plus, as of iOS 17, Mail now autofills email verification codes and delete the email afterwards. Plus Mail is built into Siri and all that jazz, so it sometimes shows possible events that I can add to the calendar. So convenient.
I use disroot.
They now require non free software to create an account which is a deal breaker for me
proton's honestly a great deal if you're gonna use the VPN and Password managers. nice easy drop-in replacement for Gmail imo, not much point putting a ton of effort into it since email is inherently insecure
Honestly, gmail for bills and that kinds of stuff. iCloud for personal stuff. I do not really use email that much other than getting spam. I imagine that is true for most people. I do not understand why the privacy community is so obsessed with private email. Are you really using it for stuff that needs to be so private?
I just want to use a email provider who I can trust
Dealers choice on emails imo. Doesn't really matter because you can't verify that they aren't scanning your emails for advertising.
Gmail actually isn't too bad if you use an email forwarder like simple login that kets you pgp encrypt your mail before it gets to google.
gmail, protonmail and tutanota also i will eventually get a posteo.de account
gmail because i love google!! nothing to hide, right?
edit: /s
Nothing to hide, but also nothing I want to share either…