I have one. I got this pair of slippers as a present once, best alippers ever, I always wore them. Slip them off to go to bed one night, put them in their usual spot, next morning they are gone. Nothing else out of place or moved. My roommate was out of town and I was alone for the week. I tore the place apart trying to find them, checked everywhere, looked through all the trash. They were just gone, never to be seen again. Pretty sure it was a wizard.
I got none of that, and have a hard time believing I did it just the once and never before or again and that I somehow got the slippers so far away and left them there that I never saw them again. It was a wizard.
My little sister once told us that she sleeps.with her eyes open. My family was like uh no you dont we've seen you sleeping before. 100% convinced she said "yes I do, when I wake up my eyes are open"
My friends daughter does this too, they have a bunch of pics and videos of it (idk I don’t judge) and it’s honestly kind of creepy, she’s like 8 now and still does it so it might just be a lifelong thing for her
I have had the opposite happen. I looked at the clock and it was like 800. I fall asleep, or at least feel like I did for a full night's rest. Then when I open my eyes the clock reads 759. Still don't have an explanation, maybe a stroke and I just misread the alarm clock originally.
time preseption is easily broken, it's not a very good internal process, I took too much one time and in a single sentance sometime said to me I experienced years between the words just eons of space time melting through reality. but really I was just tripping balls.
Maybe he's had a good sleep. Children could sleep so easily and soundly. But it does sound like time really is perception.
I've had a similar experience except my eyes seem to be open? The first time it happened, I woke up and just stared at the ceiling. My mind was completely blank and it was very peaceful. I think I've done it for maybe one hour after realising what happened but it felt very quick. The second time it happened was on another occasion when i also stared at the ceiling. It seems to only happen when i stare at a completely white surface.
I have anendophasia which means I have little to no internal voice. Maybe I have done meditation by accident because of just how my mind works. When i do try to meditate, I don't get a completely blank mind, but when i don't even try I achieved it somehow.
Didn't know there was a term for not having an internal voice. I'm actually kinda glad I don't have one, seems like it would get annoying. I can make one when I try, but wouldn't want that shit going on all the time.
I also think in pictures, movies, 3D scenes, and abstract concepts. Very rarely, like when I need to plan what to say, I might have words intertwined in my thoughts. The book Thinking in Pictures by Temple Grandin explains this well.
I THINK IN PICTURES. Words are like a second language to me. I translate both spoken and written words into full-color movies, complete with sound, which run like a VCR tape in my head. When somebody speaks to me, his words are instantly translated into pictures.
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When I was a child and a teenager, I thought everybody thought in pictures. I had no idea that my thought processes were different.
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When I do an equipment simulation in my imagination or work on an engineering problem, it is like seeing it on a videotape in my mind. I can view it from any angle, placing myself above or below the equipment and rotating it at the same time.
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I create new images all the time by taking many little parts of images I have in the video library in my imagination and piecing them together.
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To create new designs, I retrieve bits and pieces from my memory and combine them into a new whole. My design ability keeps improving as I add more visual images to my library. I add videolike images from either actual experiences or translations of written information into pictures.
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When I recall something I have learned, I replay the video in my imagination.
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Like me, the mnemonist had a visual image for everything he had heard or read. Luria writes, “For when he heard or read a word, it was at once converted into a visual image corresponding with the object the word signified for him.”
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It wasn't until I went to college that I realized some people are completely verbal and think only in words.
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When I invent things, I do not use language. Some other people think in vividly detailed pictures, but most think in a combination of words and vague, generalized pictures.
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I used to become very frustrated when a verbal thinker could not understand something I was trying to express because he or she couldn't see the picture that was crystal clear to me.
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Unlike those of most people, my thoughts move from videolike, specific images to generalization and concepts. For example, my concept of dogs is inextricably linked to every dog I've ever known. It's as if I have a card catalogue of dogs I have seen, complete with pictures, which continually grows as I add more examples to my video library.
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My memories usually appear in my imagination in strict chronological order, and the images I visualize are always specific. There is no generic, generalized Great Dane. However, not all people with autism are highly visual thinkers, nor do they all process information this way. People throughout the world are on a continuum of visualization skills ranging from next to none, to seeing vague generalized pictures, to seeing semi-specific pictures, to seeing, as in my case, in very specific pictures. I'm always forming new visual images when I invent new equipment or think of something novel and amusing. I can take images that I have seen, rearrange them, and create new pictures.
I had that happen with morphine once. Watched the needle for the drip go in, looked away for a second, looked back and it was already being removed because my procedure was done.
It kinda does, doesn't it? It was a military dentist though, and I wasn't going to be able to refuse whatever they were going to give me, so I believe they told me the truth.
I did threaten to bite them if I was awake enough to remember to do so though, so maybe the IV bag got an extra squeeze!
That doesn't match my personal experience with propofol. The "going out" was pretty quick or the memory of it cut short, but the "coming back" was not quick at all.
When I woke up in the recovery room I had awareness first, but couldn't control my body at all, not even able to open my eyes, but I could hear things in the room. Then I remember having coherent thoughts, but everything was in slow motion like my cognition was swimming in molasses. As I tried to see what I had motor control off, learned later I was verbalizing all of these thoughts and was semi audible as I tried to talk. It took probably 15 minutes before I had motor control and could speak clearly enough to be understood. It wasn't a horrible or fearful experience, but wouldn't call it pleasant either.
That might have been a cocktail depending on what you had done, or they didn't give you oxygen during recovery while your respiration was still depressed
Probably some paralyzing agent, to stop you from twitching and moving while they worked. And probably a tiny miscalculation, or maybe even intentionally to avoid you doing something stupid before your rational brain was done rebooting.
Had Propofol once for a gastroscopy. Only took a few minutes to get back on my feet. What you describe reminds me of the cocktail you get for heavier surgery - it took me half a day after first waking up to stay lucid for longer than a few minutes, and motor control also took a while ro get back reliably. They even had to shake me (gently) every few minutes because I was breathing so shallow that my O2 saturation dropped and my bedside machinery caused a racket.
My worst experiences with anaesthetics were waking afterwards in the dead of night with nothing to occupy yourself while still not allowed to drink even a bit of water to get the dryness out of the mouth while hurting. Those were the most miserable experiences I've ever had.
Interesting. I've had propofol twice and both times it was basically instantaneous. Get injected, close my eyes, next thing I know I'm opening them and saying wtf to the nurse.
Reminds me of when I got my gallbladder removed. The nurse got me talking about cooking because I was freaking out and tensing up over the needle. One second I was just laying there happily talking about the lentil taco salad I made recently, and the next, I was hazily looking around the room in a state of utter confusion while a nurse stood over me and asked if I want a graham cracker.
Fresh air, zero light pollution, zero traffic or background noise.
The thing that took me longest to get used to after moving to the ciry was the noise, even in your backyard in the suburbs you can hear constant hum and drone, the occasional loud motorbike or distant ambulance.
That and never seeing the milky way again, sometimes on a new moon i can see like some stars in the scluster, but not the absolute cloud of endless stars you see when your 3hrs from the nearest city.
I had the opposite happen to me once back in my early 20s
One time I was dead tired and could barely keep myself awake after working in an university assignment due the next day. I finished past midnight and went to bed at 1am, I recall watching the clock before going to sleep since I had to set up an alarm for 8am or something.
Thing is, I fell asleep immediately, then I woke up fully refreshed before my alarm went off, I woke up feeling amazing, fully awake and ready to go. Then I checked the time... 1:50am. Since I couldn't fall asleep again I watched some movies until my alarm went off and then went to class like nothing happened.
Yes, I was tired very early the next day, but I still think of that night from time to time
I used to routinely stay up 3 days in a row, at least once a year during my uni days to get a final assignment in on time^[First day is the worst, second gets better once you switch from caffeine to fruit, and third day you're making stupid decisions like walking into traffic instead of waiting for the light]. I remember vividly after it was complete and I'd printed/binded/handed it in, I was on the train back home and saw weird shadows flickering across the carriage. Those flickering shadows followed me on my walk to the house, starting to creep in like oscillating blades at the edge of my vision, and when I finally got into bed and laid my head against the pillow that's when the daggers closed in, and everything went black.
I remember some times when I'd be up for a long time, eventually it felt like the part of my brain that controlled awareness of another person's presence would glitch out. Like if I was alone in my room playing video games, I'd get a sense that it was time to pass the controller when I died, or to comment on something for the other person that wasn't really there.
But I was alone in my room, which made it pretty easy to recognize what was going on as a form of hallucination (I'd also see dark spots moving around in my peripheral, which I suspect some less self-aware people might think are bugs moving around at the edge of their vision). If I was out walking, where it was harder to logically be sure that you're alone when your senses lie to you, I could see it developing into a strong paranoia. Would suck for that to be a normal feeling rather than something that happens after staying up way too long.
That's not how sleep works. Also, i think i had this too at least once. Probably a memory glitch or something in the category of lucid dreaming (except not lucid).
Ive definitely woken up from dreams where i was getting ready for bed, and had to walk myself through my day back to bed. Like, i had a dream of an entire day
Had that when I had a surgery under general anesthesia. They injected something, for about 20 seconds nothing happened, and next moment I was in the ward and everything was already done. Just instant time skip.
One of the first drugs they give you before surgery interferes with the formation of long term memories. There’s a good chance you were awake and aware for quite awhile after the first injection… you just couldn’t make long term memories about it.
Even worse, there have been people who woke up during surgery but the paralytics were still working just fine, so they were awake, aware, and fully experiencing the pain of surgery but couldn't move or tell anyone.
Yeah the theory that general anaesthesia doesn't put you to sleep and numb the pain, it only paralyzes you and prevents you from forming any memories. So you remain awake and feel all the pain of surgery, you just can't scream and you won't remember it.
The only reason I doubt that theory is because the pain would cause the heart to race which would be noticeable on the monitors and other autonomic effects like sweating and vomiting.
When I had to get surgery, they gave me opiates first, then the other stuff. I remember them giving me the opiates, everything became... soft and fuzzy. Like, not visually, just, the opposite of sharp. Actually, quite a nice feeling. And then they announced that they'd proceed with the other stuff, and I time-skipped to when it all was over.
I got half a valium when I had my last surgery. I was super jittery. I remember the nurse giving me this tiny half-pill and thinking "That ain't gonna do shit" 30 minutes later, as they're wheeling me into the theatre, I'm smiling up at everyone and thinking " Hey, you know what's great? Everything. Everything is so damn wonderful."
Then I woke up normal again and vomited on a nurse.
The only reason I doubt that theory is because the pain would cause the heart to race which would be noticeable on the monitors and other autonomic effects like sweating and vomiting.
i've had three procedures where my anesthesia was insufficient. two, fortunately, were dental and i could grit my mental teeth for five minutes. one was a gastro surgery and i think they just forgot to give me the ForgetMeNow because i was wide awake and talking to them the entire damn time while they rummaged around in me.
Nope, I definitely mean long term. That's the whole point... you don't remember what happens for a little while, and it's definitely on purpose. They also give you a soporific (makes you unconscious) and a paralytic (so you don't move voluntarily or otherwise).
When you experience anything it immediately forms a short term memory. To retain it for more than a brief period that short term memory has to be converted or moved to long term memory. These anaesthia drugs interfere with the process that moves short to long term memory.
Hm. I am not super firm on the definitions, but I remember having a hard time forming new memories when I took quite a bunch of cannabis. Scary shit. I basically "existed" in intervals of around a (subjective) minute or so, with nothing to do except to wait it out.
How long term are we talking about? Because I remember being immediately surprised by it once I got awake, way before the effects fully subsided. It's not that I just don't remember it now, specifically.
Yeah, you won't remember anything from the time it kicks in to the time it wears off, give or take a couple of minutes.
The first time I went in for a surgery, my memory ends shortly after they pushed the first drug into my IV but my mom was there and she said we talked for another 15 minutes before they took me to the OR. I remember none of it but she says I was completely lucid as far as she could tell.
I voted Fidesz in 2010 with the hopes they will raise the age of consent. They lowered it to 12 if the older party is under 18.
I got so angry I was shaking, and veins on my forehead were visible, just like that meme. When I tried to sleep, it didn't work. I still tried to at least try, so I lay in the bed, seeing the sun rising. Eventually I had to go to college, after that finished, I slept for like 20 hours, and accepted my fell for it again award (they also didn't make it easier for college students to get apprenticeship, so ultimately I ended up without a college degree, as I couldn't get anything due to a multitude of factors).
It happened to me semi-regularly in childhood, and it's even happened a couple times as an adult. I swear to god this is how we're all supposed to be sleeping but we're all kept awake by subsonic electronic whines or something
fun tricks for anyone who wants to get to sleep quickly: consciously thinking of and trying to relax each of your muscles, from your face, to your shoulders, down your arms and into your fingertips and so on. Sometimes, you might be tensed up in some subtle way without realizing it, and part of falling asleep is getting fully relaxed. Do this in your head a few times if you need to, but this actually does help me fall asleep somewhat more quickly than just laying there and waiting. I remember reading somewhere this was how new sailors in the Navy learned to fall asleep at sea when they weren't used to a moving bed, but that could've been bullshit, feel free to research that yourself.
Another one is, start with your hands flat on your thighs or your stomach (this assumes you sleep on your back, so this one actually isn't very effective for me) and start tapping your hands down, alternating which hand, lightly on your body at a constant rhythm for a little bit, and then just gradually slow the rhythm down. This didn't really work well for me because I'm a side sleeper, but YMMV. This was one I got from some TED(x?) talk I'm too lazy to go find.
These might not help if you have like, chronic insomnia or something, but if you just want tomorrow to come faster instead of dwelling on every mistake you've ever made for ~20 minutes, they might work for you.
I listen to the history of the roman empire by Mike Duncan. I literally just listen to something I enjoy and wake up next morning. I can count on my hand the times it hasn't worked in the last year and those were all me trying to take a nap full of coffee.
see, me I need white noise to sleep. I absolutely can not fall asleep with voices, music, or other ambient noises in the room (or plugged into my ears) unless I'm completely dead tired, I've tried and it has usually resulted in several hours of laying awake.
I'm the same with music and most podcasts and even my chosen one at anything above moderate volume. Not sure why it works for me but as long as it fits as a bedtime story it seems to work. I also can't fall asleep to something like Darknet diaries, it's just too exciting and too much "ok what happens next" and cliffhangers instead of the story being delivered to me normally.
You can absolutely get yourself to respond to a trigger that you make up. Sure, relaxation is also useful on its own, but I am pretty sure that a good chunk of the effect of that is Pavlov-ing yourself to sleep. "I always do this right before I fall asleep, so when I do this, I will fall asleep".
You want to hear about a glitch? I once went to hospital, and it was a rough first night. The second night, I couldn't sleep so I'd figure I'd grab a book and try some reading. I opened the book, and the text was flipping symbols like the Matrix ... like each word was flipping. I couldn't read it so I returned the book.
I have taken some fighting class where they taught us some techniques. After a few weeks of training the instructor put us through a scenario where he put on a RedMan suit and we had to fight him one by one.
When it was my turn, I remember walking towards him. Next thing I remember the fight was over. I was standing in front of the instructor who had been apparently repelled and said in an impressed tone "that was a great elbow".
None of the techniques he had taught us involved the elbow. I have no idea what I did but apparently it worked.
Reminds me of a university oral exam I had… I got a super hard question first, nailed it but took a long time. Got a second question but my mind just blanked. I looked at the assistant and said, “I am sorry, I don’t know the answer”. Assistant “prof just gave you full credit”
Had the same thing happen to me as a kid, however not the not tired part. Basically just went to bed like normal closed my eyes and bam morning. Never was able to reproduce it either.
I had that happen a few times when I was quite young. At least once, I did it on purpose. I had a sleepover with a friend and was excited for the next day and was impatient for the next day to arrive now. I fell asleep and woke up the next day seemingly instantly. No dreams. No perception of passage of more than like a second of time. Just instant morning.
It happened to me in my 20s! I was playing cards with some friends and one of them was dealing. The split second later, I ask where my cards were. Apparently, I fell asleep while they were dealing the cards, slept exactly through a full game and abruptly woke up while they were dealing cards again.
I mean, these things happen to only a small subset of people so I can understand where the frame of reference gets skewed for you normies. For instance, every time my aunt babysat me, I'd immediately find myself in another place after dinner. Everything would hurt from the cold, but the police would help me get back home and even they couldn't explain it to me, a "very brave kid" in their own words. Explain that, liberals.
I've had a few, but I chock them up to being tired. Twice on the way to work early in the morning, the sky turned colors on my. Once it turned purple, the other it turned an aqua color. Then, while working night shift, I was looking up at the sky and saw what I thought was a shooting star make a 90° turn before disappearing. It had to be sleep deprivation, on every account.
I beg to differ, by the logic used to justify the use of the f- and n- words by their respective groups, "I can say it because it was used against me."
As a neurodivergent American child from the 90s, "that's our word, we can say it."
I was just trying to be silly. I don't say it like I did when I was 16, but I'm in the same boat (queer 90s neuro xenial). Never say it maliciously, try to be conscious of today's environment, and my kids get on my ass if I do it anyway. But the joke was supposed to be retard with a 'hard R,' as a play on, You know, the other one with a hard R. I know not very funny and I'm probably going to get down down voted just cuz I typed out the word but, apparently my attempt at humor needs an explanation which I suppose makes it not funny anyways. Sorry if I offended anyone in advance.
Fake: Anon has no grandma
Gay: Anon's brother hypnotized him the other night, and installed a sleep trigger while removing any memory of being hypnotized. Then, when Anon lays in bed looking at his brother, he then triggers the sleep command, and then Anon passes out instantly. Then his bother molests Anon in his sleep. Then Anon wakes up, thinking it was all at an instant.
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I have one. I got this pair of slippers as a present once, best alippers ever, I always wore them. Slip them off to go to bed one night, put them in their usual spot, next morning they are gone. Nothing else out of place or moved. My roommate was out of town and I was alone for the week. I tore the place apart trying to find them, checked everywhere, looked through all the trash. They were just gone, never to be seen again. Pretty sure it was a wizard.
Id look into sleep walking.
I got none of that, and have a hard time believing I did it just the once and never before or again and that I somehow got the slippers so far away and left them there that I never saw them again. It was a wizard.
On the probability scale wizard is low.
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My little sister once told us that she sleeps.with her eyes open. My family was like uh no you dont we've seen you sleeping before. 100% convinced she said "yes I do, when I wake up my eyes are open"
She was nearly 20
wtf lmao
Totally off topic... Did you take that user name so the loser who runs Reddit couldn't have it? If so, bravo my good lemming.
plot twist — it's actually spez
Reddit is so shit now even spez doesn’t use it anymore
true
Well they got rid of r/jailbait
i did it cause it was funny to me. you can't really 'take' a username on lemmy since it's all decentralized
Sounds like the start of a philosophical argument!
i dated someone who legitimately slept with her eyes partly open. idk, she was almost as weird as me.
My friends daughter does this too, they have a bunch of pics and videos of it (idk I don’t judge) and it’s honestly kind of creepy, she’s like 8 now and still does it so it might just be a lifelong thing for her
Cats also do this sometimes.
I have had the opposite happen. I looked at the clock and it was like 800. I fall asleep, or at least feel like I did for a full night's rest. Then when I open my eyes the clock reads 759. Still don't have an explanation, maybe a stroke and I just misread the alarm clock originally.
time preseption is easily broken, it's not a very good internal process, I took too much one time and in a single sentance sometime said to me I experienced years between the words just eons of space time melting through reality. but really I was just tripping balls.
Maybe he's had a good sleep. Children could sleep so easily and soundly. But it does sound like time really is perception.
I've had a similar experience except my eyes seem to be open? The first time it happened, I woke up and just stared at the ceiling. My mind was completely blank and it was very peaceful. I think I've done it for maybe one hour after realising what happened but it felt very quick. The second time it happened was on another occasion when i also stared at the ceiling. It seems to only happen when i stare at a completely white surface.
I have anendophasia which means I have little to no internal voice. Maybe I have done meditation by accident because of just how my mind works. When i do try to meditate, I don't get a completely blank mind, but when i don't even try I achieved it somehow.
Didn't know there was a term for not having an internal voice. I'm actually kinda glad I don't have one, seems like it would get annoying. I can make one when I try, but wouldn't want that shit going on all the time.
I also think in pictures, movies, 3D scenes, and abstract concepts. Very rarely, like when I need to plan what to say, I might have words intertwined in my thoughts. The book Thinking in Pictures by Temple Grandin explains this well.
I THINK IN PICTURES. Words are like a second language to me. I translate both spoken and written words into full-color movies, complete with sound, which run like a VCR tape in my head. When somebody speaks to me, his words are instantly translated into pictures.
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When I was a child and a teenager, I thought everybody thought in pictures. I had no idea that my thought processes were different.
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When I do an equipment simulation in my imagination or work on an engineering problem, it is like seeing it on a videotape in my mind. I can view it from any angle, placing myself above or below the equipment and rotating it at the same time.
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I create new images all the time by taking many little parts of images I have in the video library in my imagination and piecing them together.
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To create new designs, I retrieve bits and pieces from my memory and combine them into a new whole. My design ability keeps improving as I add more visual images to my library. I add videolike images from either actual experiences or translations of written information into pictures.
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When I recall something I have learned, I replay the video in my imagination.
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Like me, the mnemonist had a visual image for everything he had heard or read. Luria writes, “For when he heard or read a word, it was at once converted into a visual image corresponding with the object the word signified for him.”
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It wasn't until I went to college that I realized some people are completely verbal and think only in words.
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When I invent things, I do not use language. Some other people think in vividly detailed pictures, but most think in a combination of words and vague, generalized pictures.
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I used to become very frustrated when a verbal thinker could not understand something I was trying to express because he or she couldn't see the picture that was crystal clear to me.
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Unlike those of most people, my thoughts move from videolike, specific images to generalization and concepts. For example, my concept of dogs is inextricably linked to every dog I've ever known. It's as if I have a card catalogue of dogs I have seen, complete with pictures, which continually grows as I add more examples to my video library.
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My memories usually appear in my imagination in strict chronological order, and the images I visualize are always specific. There is no generic, generalized Great Dane. However, not all people with autism are highly visual thinkers, nor do they all process information this way. People throughout the world are on a continuum of visualization skills ranging from next to none, to seeing vague generalized pictures, to seeing semi-specific pictures, to seeing, as in my case, in very specific pictures. I'm always forming new visual images when I invent new equipment or think of something novel and amusing. I can take images that I have seen, rearrange them, and create new pictures.
I had that happen with morphine once. Watched the needle for the drip go in, looked away for a second, looked back and it was already being removed because my procedure was done.
Anesthetics are super trippy like that. Wish falling asleep was like that...
So did Michael Jackson. It didn't go so well for him.
Your description makes me think it was propofol
It kinda does, doesn't it? It was a military dentist though, and I wasn't going to be able to refuse whatever they were going to give me, so I believe they told me the truth.
I did threaten to bite them if I was awake enough to remember to do so though, so maybe the IV bag got an extra squeeze!
Propofol is usually used with something like fentanyl and midazolam
That doesn't match my personal experience with propofol. The "going out" was pretty quick or the memory of it cut short, but the "coming back" was not quick at all.
When I woke up in the recovery room I had awareness first, but couldn't control my body at all, not even able to open my eyes, but I could hear things in the room. Then I remember having coherent thoughts, but everything was in slow motion like my cognition was swimming in molasses. As I tried to see what I had motor control off, learned later I was verbalizing all of these thoughts and was semi audible as I tried to talk. It took probably 15 minutes before I had motor control and could speak clearly enough to be understood. It wasn't a horrible or fearful experience, but wouldn't call it pleasant either.
That might have been a cocktail depending on what you had done, or they didn't give you oxygen during recovery while your respiration was still depressed
I was given oxygen during the procedure as well as in recovery, but to your other point they could have given me something else too when I was under.
Probably some paralyzing agent, to stop you from twitching and moving while they worked. And probably a tiny miscalculation, or maybe even intentionally to avoid you doing something stupid before your rational brain was done rebooting.
i've had way too many surgeries. my favorite waking up apparently i was trying to lead the recovery room in a singalong
the song's chorus goes "I hope you die, I hope we both die" so i'm really curious how far into it i got
Had Propofol once for a gastroscopy. Only took a few minutes to get back on my feet. What you describe reminds me of the cocktail you get for heavier surgery - it took me half a day after first waking up to stay lucid for longer than a few minutes, and motor control also took a while ro get back reliably. They even had to shake me (gently) every few minutes because I was breathing so shallow that my O2 saturation dropped and my bedside machinery caused a racket.
My worst experiences with anaesthetics were waking afterwards in the dead of night with nothing to occupy yourself while still not allowed to drink even a bit of water to get the dryness out of the mouth while hurting. Those were the most miserable experiences I've ever had.
Interesting. I've had propofol twice and both times it was basically instantaneous. Get injected, close my eyes, next thing I know I'm opening them and saying wtf to the nurse.
or versed. a 1 hour versed nap is like 9 hours of sleep
Usually they'd mix versed and propofol, and maybe fent
Mine have been either/or, not both, and I always woke up feeling rested after versed. Not so with propofol.
Damn they give me all three
Reminds me of when I got my gallbladder removed. The nurse got me talking about cooking because I was freaking out and tensing up over the needle. One second I was just laying there happily talking about the lentil taco salad I made recently, and the next, I was hazily looking around the room in a state of utter confusion while a nurse stood over me and asked if I want a graham cracker.
Grandparents lived in the country. Had the best night's sleep there as a kid. Put it down to the country air.
Fresh air, zero light pollution, zero traffic or background noise.
The thing that took me longest to get used to after moving to the ciry was the noise, even in your backyard in the suburbs you can hear constant hum and drone, the occasional loud motorbike or distant ambulance.
That and never seeing the milky way again, sometimes on a new moon i can see like some stars in the scluster, but not the absolute cloud of endless stars you see when your 3hrs from the nearest city.
Dude probably had to help his grandparents on the farm all day and was hyped and tired AF. Instant off switch.
Plus, 9:30 at night isn’t that early for most 10 year olds
I had the opposite happen to me once back in my early 20s
One time I was dead tired and could barely keep myself awake after working in an university assignment due the next day. I finished past midnight and went to bed at 1am, I recall watching the clock before going to sleep since I had to set up an alarm for 8am or something.
Thing is, I fell asleep immediately, then I woke up fully refreshed before my alarm went off, I woke up feeling amazing, fully awake and ready to go. Then I checked the time... 1:50am. Since I couldn't fall asleep again I watched some movies until my alarm went off and then went to class like nothing happened.
Yes, I was tired very early the next day, but I still think of that night from time to time
Good ol' Circadian Arrhythmia
Sleep 10 minutes? Rested up and refreshed to start the day.
Sleep 10 hours? Dead tired and need an IV of caffeine to function.
Worn out after a long day? Lay down & BOOM! you have the energy of a 5 year old full of Halloween candy and Red Bull.
I used to routinely stay up 3 days in a row, at least once a year during my uni days to get a final assignment in on time^[First day is the worst, second gets better once you switch from caffeine to fruit, and third day you're making stupid decisions like walking into traffic instead of waiting for the light]. I remember vividly after it was complete and I'd printed/binded/handed it in, I was on the train back home and saw weird shadows flickering across the carriage. Those flickering shadows followed me on my walk to the house, starting to creep in like oscillating blades at the edge of my vision, and when I finally got into bed and laid my head against the pillow that's when the daggers closed in, and everything went black.
Woke up 15 hours later feeling great.
I remember some times when I'd be up for a long time, eventually it felt like the part of my brain that controlled awareness of another person's presence would glitch out. Like if I was alone in my room playing video games, I'd get a sense that it was time to pass the controller when I died, or to comment on something for the other person that wasn't really there.
But I was alone in my room, which made it pretty easy to recognize what was going on as a form of hallucination (I'd also see dark spots moving around in my peripheral, which I suspect some less self-aware people might think are bugs moving around at the edge of their vision). If I was out walking, where it was harder to logically be sure that you're alone when your senses lie to you, I could see it developing into a strong paranoia. Would suck for that to be a normal feeling rather than something that happens after staying up way too long.
I thought the dark spots were little spaceships.
They are demons gathering strength and waiting for you to let your guard down and go to sleep!
That's not how sleep works. Also, i think i had this too at least once. Probably a memory glitch or something in the category of lucid dreaming (except not lucid).
Ive definitely woken up from dreams where i was getting ready for bed, and had to walk myself through my day back to bed. Like, i had a dream of an entire day
That's called a false awakening. I've had those, and they go lucid when I realize I wasn't in my own bathroom. Maybe yours was of the entire day?
Had that when I had a surgery under general anesthesia. They injected something, for about 20 seconds nothing happened, and next moment I was in the ward and everything was already done. Just instant time skip.
One of the first drugs they give you before surgery interferes with the formation of long term memories. There’s a good chance you were awake and aware for quite awhile after the first injection… you just couldn’t make long term memories about it.
Plot twist: you were awake and screaming all through the surgery but you don't remember it.
Even worse, there have been people who woke up during surgery but the paralytics were still working just fine, so they were awake, aware, and fully experiencing the pain of surgery but couldn't move or tell anyone.
Some Bella in twilight shit.
There's a theory about general anasthesia similar to that. Probably false but fun to think about.
Yeah the theory that general anaesthesia doesn't put you to sleep and numb the pain, it only paralyzes you and prevents you from forming any memories. So you remain awake and feel all the pain of surgery, you just can't scream and you won't remember it.
The only reason I doubt that theory is because the pain would cause the heart to race which would be noticeable on the monitors and other autonomic effects like sweating and vomiting.
When I had to get surgery, they gave me opiates first, then the other stuff. I remember them giving me the opiates, everything became... soft and fuzzy. Like, not visually, just, the opposite of sharp. Actually, quite a nice feeling. And then they announced that they'd proceed with the other stuff, and I time-skipped to when it all was over.
I got half a valium when I had my last surgery. I was super jittery. I remember the nurse giving me this tiny half-pill and thinking "That ain't gonna do shit" 30 minutes later, as they're wheeling me into the theatre, I'm smiling up at everyone and thinking " Hey, you know what's great? Everything. Everything is so damn wonderful."
Then I woke up normal again and vomited on a nurse.
i've had three procedures where my anesthesia was insufficient. two, fortunately, were dental and i could grit my mental teeth for five minutes. one was a gastro surgery and i think they just forgot to give me the ForgetMeNow because i was wide awake and talking to them the entire damn time while they rummaged around in me.
Wee there's a nightmare I didn't need to have...
Is the inability to form long term memories a side effect of something, or is that the main point of one of the drugs?
Causing memory loss is an important part of anesthesia. Usually it's done with very strong sedatives that are in a similar family to benzodiazepines.
I’d assume they meant short term, cus losing long term memory formation for any amount of time would be trrrifying
I’m unsure of it being the intended effect or a side effect
Nope, I definitely mean long term. That's the whole point... you don't remember what happens for a little while, and it's definitely on purpose. They also give you a soporific (makes you unconscious) and a paralytic (so you don't move voluntarily or otherwise).
That sounds like short term though
Like roofies affect short term memory, you can’t form memories during a short period of time (e.g hours). Short term memories feed long term memory.
Short term memory is what I ate for breakfast, long term memory are my ABCs and knowing how to drive.
What we have here is a terminology problem.
When you experience anything it immediately forms a short term memory. To retain it for more than a brief period that short term memory has to be converted or moved to long term memory. These anaesthia drugs interfere with the process that moves short to long term memory.
Hm. I am not super firm on the definitions, but I remember having a hard time forming new memories when I took quite a bunch of cannabis. Scary shit. I basically "existed" in intervals of around a (subjective) minute or so, with nothing to do except to wait it out.
How long term are we talking about? Because I remember being immediately surprised by it once I got awake, way before the effects fully subsided. It's not that I just don't remember it now, specifically.
Yeah, you won't remember anything from the time it kicks in to the time it wears off, give or take a couple of minutes.
The first time I went in for a surgery, my memory ends shortly after they pushed the first drug into my IV but my mom was there and she said we talked for another 15 minutes before they took me to the OR. I remember none of it but she says I was completely lucid as far as she could tell.
I see! Curious.
I once had the exact opposite.
I voted Fidesz in 2010 with the hopes they will raise the age of consent. They lowered it to 12 if the older party is under 18.
I got so angry I was shaking, and veins on my forehead were visible, just like that meme. When I tried to sleep, it didn't work. I still tried to at least try, so I lay in the bed, seeing the sun rising. Eventually I had to go to college, after that finished, I slept for like 20 hours, and accepted my fell for it again award (they also didn't make it easier for college students to get apprenticeship, so ultimately I ended up without a college degree, as I couldn't get anything due to a multitude of factors).
I've done something similar. Only once though. Sleep was like a straight up on/off switch with an instant jump in continuity awareness.
God how amazing it would be to have a sleep switch.
How would you turn it back on? It seems like you're just talking abstractly about suicide.
God how amazing it would be to have a sleep switch.
Do you remember deciding to wake up this morning? Just do that
Since I'd be in a world where a sleep switch exists I'd expect a built in alarm system would exist with it as well.
Alarm broke
I pretty much have. When I decide it's time to sleep, I just do. I just roll over on the "fall asleep" side, and then I'm gone.
It happened to me semi-regularly in childhood, and it's even happened a couple times as an adult. I swear to god this is how we're all supposed to be sleeping but we're all kept awake by subsonic electronic whines or something
Same thing happened to me when I was 8
fake: op left his house
gay: sleeps in same bed with his brother
The twin bed was a separate bed next to his?
Double and twin beds can be confusing terminology for non-native speakers. Both words mean 2.
Meanwhile, narcoleptics be like: "First time?"
In my experience those are really restful sleeps (probably because it means you're dead tired) but I feel robbed of the drowsy stage regardless.
fun tricks for anyone who wants to get to sleep quickly: consciously thinking of and trying to relax each of your muscles, from your face, to your shoulders, down your arms and into your fingertips and so on. Sometimes, you might be tensed up in some subtle way without realizing it, and part of falling asleep is getting fully relaxed. Do this in your head a few times if you need to, but this actually does help me fall asleep somewhat more quickly than just laying there and waiting. I remember reading somewhere this was how new sailors in the Navy learned to fall asleep at sea when they weren't used to a moving bed, but that could've been bullshit, feel free to research that yourself.
Another one is, start with your hands flat on your thighs or your stomach (this assumes you sleep on your back, so this one actually isn't very effective for me) and start tapping your hands down, alternating which hand, lightly on your body at a constant rhythm for a little bit, and then just gradually slow the rhythm down. This didn't really work well for me because I'm a side sleeper, but YMMV. This was one I got from some TED(x?) talk I'm too lazy to go find.
These might not help if you have like, chronic insomnia or something, but if you just want tomorrow to come faster instead of dwelling on every mistake you've ever made for ~20 minutes, they might work for you.
try to relax your anus, I mean your shoulders
I listen to the history of the roman empire by Mike Duncan. I literally just listen to something I enjoy and wake up next morning. I can count on my hand the times it hasn't worked in the last year and those were all me trying to take a nap full of coffee.
see, me I need white noise to sleep. I absolutely can not fall asleep with voices, music, or other ambient noises in the room (or plugged into my ears) unless I'm completely dead tired, I've tried and it has usually resulted in several hours of laying awake.
I'm the same with music and most podcasts and even my chosen one at anything above moderate volume. Not sure why it works for me but as long as it fits as a bedtime story it seems to work. I also can't fall asleep to something like Darknet diaries, it's just too exciting and too much "ok what happens next" and cliffhangers instead of the story being delivered to me normally.
You can absolutely get yourself to respond to a trigger that you make up. Sure, relaxation is also useful on its own, but I am pretty sure that a good chunk of the effect of that is Pavlov-ing yourself to sleep. "I always do this right before I fall asleep, so when I do this, I will fall asleep".
I keep waking up after ~6 hours to wiz and struggle to go back to sleep for the last 1-2 hours, so I appreciate this
I tried counting sheep the other night and it kinda worked but my mind wanders a lot, so maybe these tricks will be better
Thanks!
You want to hear about a glitch? I once went to hospital, and it was a rough first night. The second night, I couldn't sleep so I'd figure I'd grab a book and try some reading. I opened the book, and the text was flipping symbols like the Matrix ... like each word was flipping. I couldn't read it so I returned the book.
That's what books often do in dreams. Brain can't really keep lots of text straight, so it's a common sign that you're dreaming.
the carbon monoxide meme, but for real
Was it an off switch or do you just forget the time it took you to fall asleep?
I have taken some fighting class where they taught us some techniques. After a few weeks of training the instructor put us through a scenario where he put on a RedMan suit and we had to fight him one by one.
When it was my turn, I remember walking towards him. Next thing I remember the fight was over. I was standing in front of the instructor who had been apparently repelled and said in an impressed tone "that was a great elbow".
None of the techniques he had taught us involved the elbow. I have no idea what I did but apparently it worked.
Reminds me of Rutherford.
Reminds me of a university oral exam I had… I got a super hard question first, nailed it but took a long time. Got a second question but my mind just blanked. I looked at the assistant and said, “I am sorry, I don’t know the answer”. Assistant “prof just gave you full credit”
Had the same thing happen to me as a kid, however not the not tired part. Basically just went to bed like normal closed my eyes and bam morning. Never was able to reproduce it either.
I had that happen a few times when I was quite young. At least once, I did it on purpose. I had a sleepover with a friend and was excited for the next day and was impatient for the next day to arrive now. I fell asleep and woke up the next day seemingly instantly. No dreams. No perception of passage of more than like a second of time. Just instant morning.
It happened to me in my 20s! I was playing cards with some friends and one of them was dealing. The split second later, I ask where my cards were. Apparently, I fell asleep while they were dealing the cards, slept exactly through a full game and abruptly woke up while they were dealing cards again.
I mean, these things happen to only a small subset of people so I can understand where the frame of reference gets skewed for you normies. For instance, every time my aunt babysat me, I'd immediately find myself in another place after dinner. Everything would hurt from the cold, but the police would help me get back home and even they couldn't explain it to me, a "very brave kid" in their own words. Explain that, liberals.
I've had a few, but I chock them up to being tired. Twice on the way to work early in the morning, the sky turned colors on my. Once it turned purple, the other it turned an aqua color. Then, while working night shift, I was looking up at the sky and saw what I thought was a shooting star make a 90° turn before disappearing. It had to be sleep deprivation, on every account.
I mean, the sky can definitely change colors, especially if there’s bad weather or lots of magnetic activity.
So it's ok to post this, but every sublemmy will ban me (or at least remove my comment) if I type the r-word? What a bunch of hypocrites.
You can't use the hard r
I beg to differ, by the logic used to justify the use of the f- and n- words by their respective groups, "I can say it because it was used against me."
As a neurodivergent American child from the 90s, "that's our word, we can say it."
I was just trying to be silly. I don't say it like I did when I was 16, but I'm in the same boat (queer 90s neuro xenial). Never say it maliciously, try to be conscious of today's environment, and my kids get on my ass if I do it anyway. But the joke was supposed to be retard with a 'hard R,' as a play on, You know, the other one with a hard R. I know not very funny and I'm probably going to get down down voted just cuz I typed out the word but, apparently my attempt at humor needs an explanation which I suppose makes it not funny anyways. Sorry if I offended anyone in advance.
Never had that while sleeping, but I've found myself sort of becoming aware in random places when I was a kid.
Fake: Anon has no grandma
Gay: Anon's brother hypnotized him the other night, and installed a sleep trigger while removing any memory of being hypnotized. Then, when Anon lays in bed looking at his brother, he then triggers the sleep command, and then Anon passes out instantly. Then his bother molests Anon in his sleep. Then Anon wakes up, thinking it was all at an instant.