Does anyone know if it has a headphone jack? It seems dumb to brag about having B&O work on the audio if not, but I am still thinking it won't which will kill any interest in it.
Edit: I confirmed it does not have one. total junk
it's not that much a minority as you'd think. just like desktop computers largely still use wires to connect mouse and keyboard, people want to have wired devices.
sure, like those supporting Palestine, doesn't make them wrong. I hate not having a headphone jack, my Etymotic ear buds are 20 years old and still work superbly.
Have you tried a USB C to headphone adapter? They're quite small and never have to leave your headphones. And you could set the phone on a wireless charger to charge and listen simultaneously. Would that be an option for you?
I assume you mean a 3a, I don't believe the 3 still had a headphone jack. I held on to my 4a for as long as I could, but after their battery shenanigans it only lasted a few hours is very light use.
Due to not being able to get a graphene compatible phone with a headphone jack, I've been just using a DAP for the past year or so. It sucks needing to carry around a second device. If I hadn't already gone this route it would have been an option and I could have just used a rom that let me switch off the radios.
You're not going to get what you want here. Its abandoned tech. Not saying its better or worse, but they're not going to add them back in. They dont want ungrounded analog devices plugging into their digital devices.
But like, it doesn't hurt you. It's not like you have to choose between a phone that can do Bluetooth or a phone that has a headphone jack. Your opinion hurts us, bit of Orpington doesn't hurt you. You see that right?
The charging port doesn't break from plugging in the cable, it happens because the headphone cable gets pulled at angles and usb-c isn't good at handling the stress from. I've literally had this happen. And yes, Apple's dongle IS one of the best usb-c dongles. They have always sold it dirt cheap as a way to assuage the people that were angry at the headphone jack removal. I am surprised they haven't raised the price after all these years; it has to be sold at a loss at this point.
I'm still, after several years, confused on why didn't they make the USB-C connector circular. Wouldn't have to deal with the whole "spin 1/2" issue USB has had for decades, and there wouldn't be a "weird angle" for the cable to be pulled at, all angles would be equal.
I haven't had it happen to a phone in a long time (though it did happen to the LG phone I had like two phones ago).
I've had it happen to another device that charges with USB-C (Focus V Carta 2). To the point where I had to buy a wireless charger (that itself needs to charge with USB-C so I have to make sure not to do it again) built specifically for the device and it's the only way I can charge the device now.
Amazing device though. I've had it for like 6 years now and that's the only part that stopped working. I haven't inhaled combusted plant matter since.
Im sure the device is end of life after 6 years anyways, so that sounds about right. I personally havent ever had a usb-c port fail, but ive only been using iphones and pixels. Good workaround with the wireless charging though.
Much harder to replace the built-in USB-C port and you also lose a lot of other features of the phone (such as... ya know... charging) in the meanwhile.
Really, AI has brought people intellects that low, even here on Lemmy?
Um, so FYI there are multiple ways to charge some phones. Some can do wireless charging plus let the usb-c port use a 3.5mm adapter for a headset. Its a pretty decent solution.
How often you needed to replace 3.5mm female socket? I don't think I ever encountered that (if there were issues it was always with the cable), but had to replace USB female socket several times.
Interesting, experience was that those were quite durable: 3 connections and then the port soldered into the board.
Any issues I seen were with the headphone cable and the jack.
I had a lot of issues with USB especially micro USB that just worn down after use even when your were careful. And because it is using digital protocol I had to remove and insert jack again until it clicks.
90W charging, huge storage option, high quality cameras (I already have a billion lenses on the back of my phone so I just don't give a shit), great screen - yeah I don't care how the thing looks. I care about GrapheneOS support and that it has the hardware to keep it usable for more than a couple of years.
Right now its between this and a flip phone + umpc for me. We'll see where things go in the coming months.
Not me - I'm on Graphene but one of the biggest things I love about the software itself is that it's very well designed, which is rare to see in the FOSS / privacy community. I hate shitty UIs and shitty design in general.
I miss the days of a single camera lens. I wouldn't even mind a system where you can swap the lens for different needs, but having a "camera bump" on a phone is so annoying. I prefer not needing a case to make the back of my phone lay flat on a table.
at least this one is now horizontal. so if the individual lens does not protrude too much away from the island, like the iphone 17/18 do, it shouldn't rock when it's on a flat surface.
despite the stupid trend of putting massive islands o. the back of the phone, when well designed it acts as a finger cliff to balance on my hand.
I hand a large hand so mileage will vary as always.
Personally, I think it's better than the Samsung Galaxy Ultra series because, on those phones, the camera island goes down the phone, not across it, making magnetic accessories cumbersome to fit on at times.
The Motorola also looks like it doesn't have a camera island, just protruding cameras. I can't be sure though.
That hasn't been my experience in the past with android at all. I have missed having that extra storage the past few years of owning a pixel. That said I made my choice to buy a pixel for graphene and I stand by that choice.
Apparently it is to use cloud services 😉 pixel phone storage was incredibly small. At least this phone has up to 512GB internal storage allegedly. For a ridicous price I assume.
Expandable storage is for photos, videos, music, books, etc... not for "important data." Pixels made their storage tiny specifically to push users to use Google Drive, Google Photos (pushing the "clean your device" store everything in the cloud BS), YouTube Music, etc...
A vast majority of people also use their phone as an MP3 player and camera and apps, not just a chat device. My music library is not crazy and would not fit on a pixel together with my photos/videos, for example.
i mean you can just pull them out and read all data on them, so obviously yes
i mean you could technically use an encrypted file system on them ... but that's probably not compatible with the vast majority of card-reader programs out there so people are gonna complain next that you can't look at your SD card photos from a desktop computer ...
200 MP is craaazy high (as a layman). that's like, 10k × 20k screen resolution, right?
also i'm torn about SD cards. they sound good but also are a security hazard. anybody can pull them out and read them, right? for a portable device, i really doubt that that's good-enough.
If Graphene would run on the iPhone it would be my first choice. But my privacy is more important than sexy hardware.
It would have the added benefit of blending in, law enforcement is already targeting Pixel phones. That wouldn't be practical with iPhone.
Still no SD cards though.. but not even the Pixel does that
It's not a privacy based phone. It's a phone they're hoping to sell to mass market consumers that so happens to be about to run a privacy based OS.
You are not the target audience and will continue to not be unless people like you become the dominant consumer of such a device. The problem is the people who enjoy this community, by and large, own a pixel 3 and won't purchase anything unless it's got every feature they want.
Even more unfortunately is those features only end up on cheap phones because manufacturers correlated them with poor people. Need a headphone jack? Must be too poor to afford Bluetooth headphones. Need an sd card slot? Must be too poor to afford a cloud subscription or bigger phone. Need a removable battery or to repair your device? You obviously can't afford to buy a new phone every 2 years.
The bottom line is you are all too sensible to spend the money and influence design decisions so this is what you get.
I know they already said to expect flagships, but it's still very disappointing to me.
Personally, I'm just never going to buy a phone with something like the 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6, a flagship among flagships.
What are you supposed to do with a beast like that? It's just a lot of money wasted, because nothing you'll ever use a smartphone for requires even 50% of that performance.
I hope some cheaper, weaker options will be supported by Graphene too.
it truly, seriously is. I bit the bullet and got Google's camera app which sadly works much better. I just block it from having any network permissions but even then it feels really sketchy. but I'm not going back to the GrapheneOS camera, it's just so fucking miserable.
The contactless payments would be a huge step. If Linux phones could get the actual phone functionality working on most models, that would be nice too. I desperately want what we were promised with Ubuntu Phone like 15 years ago. A functional phone with convergence would be fantastic.
i'm getting the feeling that it's all an elaborate plan by the CIA to make sure that only rich people can afford privacy ... after all, the poor people are at a higher risk to commit crimes, right? (/s)
for me personally, repairability is a negative on portable computers.
the reasons are security, size, cost, regular lifetime. these are all negatively correlated to repairability. if you can screw your device open, that means that so can an attacker. it makes the phone bulkier and less efficient IMO if they have to keep in mind that every connector on the inside has to be standards-compatible.
my daily driver is a 2013 lg g2. it's compact than most (any?) other phones on the current market, it can be opened and repaired with a single philips head screw driver..
Do you think an attacker that would physically access your phone to physically probe internal debug pads would not own a heat gun or care if the screen gets damaged during disassembly? 😂 it is quite trivial to open.
They aren't giving the phone back. If it is such a targeted attack that the attacker is willing to open the phone at all, they will just fully disassemble it, it doesn't matter if it is repairable or not
It is bulkier, true, and harder to waterproof, but those are essentially the only 2 downsides.
Security shouldn't even be a consideration unless you are in the 0.00000001% of people doing professional spy or espionage work (or a target of them) that someone would be willing to go through the very elaborate operation of disassembling a phone to exploit firmware bugs to insert malware in order to put it back together into a compromised surveillance device and then slip it back into a location where you would just think you forgot to take it. In that case you should be using burner phones anyways, provided by the employer with a security team behind them.
My major issues with it is that it's the first phone to officially support Graphene, so you'd think it would cater to a different demographic.
Yet there's no headphone jack, no SD card support. And it's WAY too big. It's just another boring modern phone that is selling itself on being unnecessarily powerful.
You well know when they come, when qualcolm puts the features in their midrange chips. GrapheneOS is not going to support SOCs that do not have the features they require.
Hyperbolic much? $1k is a lot sure. But comparing a $1k phone to a bunch of billionaire pedos is laughable. Also you can buy previous Pixels that support Graphene.
It's about the branding for the sheeple, not about the high-profile users. We all know those are being serviced by military or corporate degree hardware thanks to their connections.
The phone looks ok, but I'm most disappointed that the price will likely be $1000+. What's the runner up OS for the midrange? Running GOS on pixel 8 since launch and looking to move in the next ~2 yrs
RAM prices have made it impossible for mid range phones to get the same profit margins they had before. Get a 2nd hand Pixel before they go up even more
That already exists? Install GrapheneOS on any recent Pixel Phone.
The only thing I'm aware of in years of using it are Apps requiring full Play Integrity, because Google quite deliberate chooses not to allow this for GrapheneOS, despite all requirements being met. I'm not convinced they'll make an exception for a competitor's phone running the same.
So, is GOS, like purposely saying "fuck the poors?" Why spend resources getting flagships when they need to focus on budget phones. Unless they dont give a shit about expanding privacy phones to everyday people.
They just need to add a 2€ TPM chip and the rest is mostly software/firmware work.
Pixel is breaking the support on purpose, graphene had a chance to bring that to budget phones, but likely got strong-armed by Lenovo saying "only for a flagship or no deal" or something.
As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn't make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn't check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.
I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don't think we'll see it any time soon.
That being said, I'm just happy Graphene has any partnership at all. One step at a time; once these phones are done they can focus on expanding their offerings more.
As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn’t make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn’t check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.
I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don’t think we’ll see it any time soon.
the CIA is behind it. they don't want the masses (= poors) to be able to talk privately and maybe organize a significant political change or sth. it's all about keeping the possibility for mass-surveillance open.
technically, it would be trivial to add a TPM chip to every SoC. that would literally cost less than $10 per chip; maybe they wouldn't have to add a chip at all but could do it all in firmware already, depending on how the exact boot mechanism works. there is clearly no technical reason for not doing it; the reason why SoC makers don't add it has to be because of ideological decisions.
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Does anyone know if it has a headphone jack? It seems dumb to brag about having B&O work on the audio if not, but I am still thinking it won't which will kill any interest in it.
Edit: I confirmed it does not have one. total junk
Minority of a minority of a minority.
Them and the "make it smaller crowd" too. A very small, very loud minority that fails to actually show up when such a product is released.
You're getting downvoted but as a part of that crowd, I agree
When it comes to phone size that is not a main issue for me. The problem is UI that forces me to tap the top left corner to go back.
That's because "make it affordable" is also an implicit ask with any sort of alike economy. And these companies are failing at hearing it.
it's not that much a minority as you'd think. just like desktop computers largely still use wires to connect mouse and keyboard, people want to have wired devices.
You can still wire through the usb-c port
sure, like those supporting Palestine, doesn't make them wrong. I hate not having a headphone jack, my Etymotic ear buds are 20 years old and still work superbly.
No jack? Send it back!!
I strongly agree
Have you tried a USB C to headphone adapter? They're quite small and never have to leave your headphones. And you could set the phone on a wireless charger to charge and listen simultaneously. Would that be an option for you?
Oh. I see someone else asked this. Never mind.
This is why I keep a pixel 3.
I assume you mean a 3a, I don't believe the 3 still had a headphone jack. I held on to my 4a for as long as I could, but after their battery shenanigans it only lasted a few hours is very light use.
A phone repair shop could pop in a new battery. It wouldn't be secure to use on the internet, but it'd be a good mp3 player :)
Due to not being able to get a graphene compatible phone with a headphone jack, I've been just using a DAP for the past year or so. It sucks needing to carry around a second device. If I hadn't already gone this route it would have been an option and I could have just used a rom that let me switch off the radios.
What a lot of whining over a stupid plug. You guys have absolutely no idea what it's like to own a graphene phone.
Sorry I can't hear you over how the bluetooth driver compressed your whining to 8kbps.
I wish you a happy tinnitus
I am on my second graphene phone, but nice try,
Got 2 myself, and 1 phone with lineage on motorola
All phones have headphone jacks if you buy a $10 adapter
We want it built-in, period
I honestly could not care less about it.
Good for you!
but the 5 cameras (6 with front) are soo worth it, right
Yes this must mean that I care about the cameras. Good point.
Yes, I care about the cameras. I do not care about the headphone jack, I almost exclusively use shokz bluetooth headphones.
there is no reason at all to put 5 cameras on the back.
and there's no reason for me to daily carry three camera bodies and 6 lenses but here we are.
No. Period.
yes, period (we can do this all day, let's go 😆)
No you want the vast majority of people don't care at all.
Yes I want a built-in jack connector lmfao
You're not going to get what you want here. Its abandoned tech. Not saying its better or worse, but they're not going to add them back in. They dont want ungrounded analog devices plugging into their digital devices.
But like, it doesn't hurt you. It's not like you have to choose between a phone that can do Bluetooth or a phone that has a headphone jack. Your opinion hurts us, bit of Orpington doesn't hurt you. You see that right?
"people don't care about good solutions"
Okay and that's a good argument because...?
Here is one of the best adapters you can buy:
https://www.apple.com/shop/product/mw2q3am/a/usb-c-to-35-mm-headphone-jack-adapter
The charging port (aka USB-C port) isnt going to break because you occasionally plug in a cable into it.
The charging port doesn't break from plugging in the cable, it happens because the headphone cable gets pulled at angles and usb-c isn't good at handling the stress from. I've literally had this happen. And yes, Apple's dongle IS one of the best usb-c dongles. They have always sold it dirt cheap as a way to assuage the people that were angry at the headphone jack removal. I am surprised they haven't raised the price after all these years; it has to be sold at a loss at this point.
I'm still, after several years, confused on why didn't they make the USB-C connector circular. Wouldn't have to deal with the whole "spin 1/2" issue USB has had for decades, and there wouldn't be a "weird angle" for the cable to be pulled at, all angles would be equal.
It absolutely can.
Which model phones have their usb-c ports breaking?
I haven't had it happen to a phone in a long time (though it did happen to the LG phone I had like two phones ago).
I've had it happen to another device that charges with USB-C (Focus V Carta 2). To the point where I had to buy a wireless charger (that itself needs to charge with USB-C so I have to make sure not to do it again) built specifically for the device and it's the only way I can charge the device now.
Amazing device though. I've had it for like 6 years now and that's the only part that stopped working. I haven't inhaled combusted plant matter since.
Im sure the device is end of life after 6 years anyways, so that sounds about right. I personally havent ever had a usb-c port fail, but ive only been using iphones and pixels. Good workaround with the wireless charging though.
Engineers disagree.
Which ones?
Qualified ones? 😆
Such as?
The adapter is extra room and gives a joint point that can be bent and broken.
Built-in > Bolt-in.
Right. Much easier to replace an adapter than a built in 3.5mm jack.
Much harder to replace the built-in USB-C port and you also lose a lot of other features of the phone (such as... ya know... charging) in the meanwhile.
Really, AI has brought people intellects that low, even here on Lemmy?
Wireless charging doesnt use up a port. What AI is involved with my responses?
Wow now I have to spend extra on a crappy wireless charger that isless efficient than a billion cords I already have
Bummer dude
Who said anything about wireless charging? The only wireless my phone needs is the network connection.
Um, so FYI there are multiple ways to charge some phones. Some can do wireless charging plus let the usb-c port use a 3.5mm adapter for a headset. Its a pretty decent solution.
How often you needed to replace 3.5mm female socket? I don't think I ever encountered that (if there were issues it was always with the cable), but had to replace USB female socket several times.
Ive seen quite a few slots pushed in too hard or bent sideways in my days
Interesting, experience was that those were quite durable: 3 connections and then the port soldered into the board.
Any issues I seen were with the headphone cable and the jack.
I had a lot of issues with USB especially micro USB that just worn down after use even when your were careful. And because it is using digital protocol I had to remove and insert jack again until it clicks.
I have this problem with USB C on my work's Mac.
ik it's subjective but the phone's design looks really bad. can't afford it anyway but..
gsmarena
I think people going for this hardware + OS are more of a function over form crowd.
90W charging, huge storage option, high quality cameras (I already have a billion lenses on the back of my phone so I just don't give a shit), great screen - yeah I don't care how the thing looks. I care about GrapheneOS support and that it has the hardware to keep it usable for more than a couple of years.
Right now its between this and a flip phone + umpc for me. We'll see where things go in the coming months.
Not me - I'm on Graphene but one of the biggest things I love about the software itself is that it's very well designed, which is rare to see in the FOSS / privacy community. I hate shitty UIs and shitty design in general.
I was referring to the hardware as that's what i was replying to?
Jesus, I don't care what it does to the image quality, I just don't ever want 4 lenses on the back of my phone
I miss the days of a single camera lens. I wouldn't even mind a system where you can swap the lens for different needs, but having a "camera bump" on a phone is so annoying. I prefer not needing a case to make the back of my phone lay flat on a table.
at least this one is now horizontal. so if the individual lens does not protrude too much away from the island, like the iphone 17/18 do, it shouldn't rock when it's on a flat surface.
despite the stupid trend of putting massive islands o. the back of the phone, when well designed it acts as a finger cliff to balance on my hand.
I hand a large hand so mileage will vary as always.
Always with the perfectionism with better alternatives.
Personally, I think it's better than the Samsung Galaxy Ultra series because, on those phones, the camera island goes down the phone, not across it, making magnetic accessories cumbersome to fit on at times.
The Motorola also looks like it doesn't have a camera island, just protruding cameras. I can't be sure though.
Will I finally be able to compile stuff and use Nix on it?
Sure, you can also just do that now.
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.termux.nix/
I was trying to use Nix-on-Droid but the Android OOM kept killing my builds, and this is with a phone with 12 GB RAM
5 cameras? can i get a phone with zero cameras?
It's 4, one is the flashlight
theres the front cam
Oh right, i forgot about that one
eh, i've seen worse phone designs
No card slot... Booooo !
I really loved their Droid 1. Phone jack, sd card slot, physical keyboard. It was one of my best phones.
They used to break all the time randomly. Are new sd cards more durable?
I have had a sandisk microSD in my last 2 phones for 7 years in total and my girlfriend has had hers for 8.
Absolutely no problems with the SD cards (besides Spotify being a piece of shit app)
You gotta pay more than you want for a high quality one. Cheap shit ones still break randomly
That hasn't been my experience in the past with android at all. I have missed having that extra storage the past few years of owning a pixel. That said I made my choice to buy a pixel for graphene and I stand by that choice.
Have you read what Graphene Phone stands for? What their goal is?
Apparently not. Only been using it for 3 years.
If I only keep unimportant stuff on the sd card, can you explain what the problem is?
Apparently it is to use cloud services 😉 pixel phone storage was incredibly small. At least this phone has up to 512GB internal storage allegedly. For a ridicous price I assume.
What kind of idiot stores more than 50 gigabytes of important data on their phone?
What? What are you talking about?
Expandable storage is for photos, videos, music, books, etc... not for "important data." Pixels made their storage tiny specifically to push users to use Google Drive, Google Photos (pushing the "clean your device" store everything in the cloud BS), YouTube Music, etc...
A vast majority of people also use their phone as an MP3 player and camera and apps, not just a chat device. My music library is not crazy and would not fit on a pixel together with my photos/videos, for example.
You sound like you want a dumb phone instead of a smartphone...
i mean you can just pull them out and read all data on them, so obviously yes
i mean you could technically use an encrypted file system on them ... but that's probably not compatible with the vast majority of card-reader programs out there so people are gonna complain next that you can't look at your SD card photos from a desktop computer ...
Granted, I would only keep a large collection of music on such a card. Wouldn't care if someone removed the card and went through that.
However, would the security issue be that some one could put something malicious on a card and insert it ?
no, AFAIK, android phones never execute any program code that is stored on an external SD card.
😱
Those cameras are stupid, 200MP is utter nonsense, no SD card slot is insane.. I wish Graphene would pick a better phone
Graphene picked an OEM who were willing to work with them and a device with the right CPU to support the hardware security features.
This was what was available.
200 MP is craaazy high (as a layman). that's like, 10k × 20k screen resolution, right?
also i'm torn about SD cards. they sound good but also are a security hazard. anybody can pull them out and read them, right? for a portable device, i really doubt that that's good-enough.
Nope, you can encrypt them. It is a default android option.
The iPhone is a better device for you. You'll never be able to get the most out of a graphene phone.
If Graphene would run on the iPhone it would be my first choice. But my privacy is more important than sexy hardware. It would have the added benefit of blending in, law enforcement is already targeting Pixel phones. That wouldn't be practical with iPhone.
Still no SD cards though.. but not even the Pixel does that
What is wrong with you?
I'm glad it comes with a Snapdragon 8 Elite Extreme instead of one that's not Elite or Extreme
this just means that it will be expensiveee
I'm glad it's 7 inches screen this way I can sell my tv to afford it while replacing it at the same time
Over $1000 but no headphone jack?? It's such a basic request for a privacy based phone
It's not a privacy based phone. It's a phone they're hoping to sell to mass market consumers that so happens to be about to run a privacy based OS.
You are not the target audience and will continue to not be unless people like you become the dominant consumer of such a device. The problem is the people who enjoy this community, by and large, own a pixel 3 and won't purchase anything unless it's got every feature they want.
Even more unfortunately is those features only end up on cheap phones because manufacturers correlated them with poor people. Need a headphone jack? Must be too poor to afford Bluetooth headphones. Need an sd card slot? Must be too poor to afford a cloud subscription or bigger phone. Need a removable battery or to repair your device? You obviously can't afford to buy a new phone every 2 years.
The bottom line is you are all too sensible to spend the money and influence design decisions so this is what you get.
how many people really care about their privacy? even if it's 0.1% of population, that immediately gives 700k customers in EU and USA alone.
Not a big market
Even the cheap motos have headphone jacks, but I guess that's to much to ask.
I know they already said to expect flagships, but it's still very disappointing to me.
Personally, I'm just never going to buy a phone with something like the 8 Elite Extreme Gen 6, a flagship among flagships.
What are you supposed to do with a beast like that? It's just a lot of money wasted, because nothing you'll ever use a smartphone for requires even 50% of that performance.
I hope some cheaper, weaker options will be supported by Graphene too.
All I want any phone to do is a great camera, a decent auto experience and contactless payments.
I hope linux can get a decent camera system operational. GOS stock camera is abysmal.
it truly, seriously is. I bit the bullet and got Google's camera app which sadly works much better. I just block it from having any network permissions but even then it feels really sketchy. but I'm not going back to the GrapheneOS camera, it's just so fucking miserable.
There are other options and also a neutered pixel camera somewhere but I cant find it again unfortunately.
The contactless payments would be a huge step. If Linux phones could get the actual phone functionality working on most models, that would be nice too. I desperately want what we were promised with Ubuntu Phone like 15 years ago. A functional phone with convergence would be fantastic.
i'm getting the feeling that it's all an elaborate plan by the CIA to make sure that only rich people can afford privacy ... after all, the poor people are at a higher risk to commit crimes, right? (/s)
buy a used one in 4 years and get the battery replaced ?
I've been so hyped for this, but wow am I ever disappointed. Here's hoping some better phones are to come with Graphene support
Better? Isn't this already a premium phone? Idk much about phones.
not the person you replied to, but i assume things like headphone jack, sdcard support, no insane camera bump, repairable design, saner price
in addition i wish for stuff like smaller size, LCD instead of AMOLED, no pinchhole/notch. yeah ik that's impossible these days..
for me personally, repairability is a negative on portable computers.
the reasons are security, size, cost, regular lifetime. these are all negatively correlated to repairability. if you can screw your device open, that means that so can an attacker. it makes the phone bulkier and less efficient IMO if they have to keep in mind that every connector on the inside has to be standards-compatible.
my daily driver is a 2013 lg g2. it's compact than most (any?) other phones on the current market, it can be opened and repaired with a single philips head screw driver..
Do you think an attacker that would physically access your phone to physically probe internal debug pads would not own a heat gun or care if the screen gets damaged during disassembly? 😂 it is quite trivial to open.
They aren't giving the phone back. If it is such a targeted attack that the attacker is willing to open the phone at all, they will just fully disassemble it, it doesn't matter if it is repairable or not
It is bulkier, true, and harder to waterproof, but those are essentially the only 2 downsides.
Security shouldn't even be a consideration unless you are in the 0.00000001% of people doing professional spy or espionage work (or a target of them) that someone would be willing to go through the very elaborate operation of disassembling a phone to exploit firmware bugs to insert malware in order to put it back together into a compromised surveillance device and then slip it back into a location where you would just think you forgot to take it. In that case you should be using burner phones anyways, provided by the employer with a security team behind them.
My major issues with it is that it's the first phone to officially support Graphene, so you'd think it would cater to a different demographic.
Yet there's no headphone jack, no SD card support. And it's WAY too big. It's just another boring modern phone that is selling itself on being unnecessarily powerful.
Though the problem is... If this flops, will there be a 2nd phone that supports gos?
My phone was unnecessarily powerful for me until /e/OS added local offline speech transcription.
Happy to hear it's coming, hoping midrange phones are next.
You well know when they come, when qualcolm puts the features in their midrange chips. GrapheneOS is not going to support SOCs that do not have the features they require.
I see people mentioning "features", "features", "features" what actually are the features they require?
Aren't these things $1400 or some crazy price?
From what I have seen, the last Motorola Signature was €999 (~$1,136 USD or $1,606 CAD). So not a cheap device at all.
Source: https://www.cnet.com/tech/mobile/motorola-signature-27-coming-to-the-us-rival-samsung-galaxy/
I'll probably get downvotes but the phone is SO ugly
Is it? The camera lenses are a bit off-putting but it's a slab with circles on the back like every other phone since the mid 2010s
and it's the "correct" orientation being horizontal.
Oh my god that is ugly as shit it looks straight out of 2006
Nothing to see here. Just a bunch of noise.
Only good thing is, graphene no longer locked to google devices.
I mean yeah no shit? That's like the entire point. It's grapheneOS
I think theyre making that point based off the community it was posted in.
So you agree that the post very clearly doesn't fit this community at all. lol
So spam
The negativity is strong with this comment, the war may be lost, but the battle is a success.
This is awesome; first non-google phone supported. It us a bit on the expensive side for me, but a good step in the right direction.
Hopefully they will be able to get Motorola/Qualcomm to have the required security features on a lower end SoC and hence phone.
GrapheneOS isn't even mentioned on the product page, strange.
It won't come with it
What makes you say that?
I read somewhere that they're not planning on selling it with GOS, you'd still need to install it yourself
Oh, that's too bad, I guess we'll have to wait and see.
Golly! Look at that Epstein Class price tag! And not even an audio jack to show for it! Who knows what else it's lacking.
Hyperbolic much? $1k is a lot sure. But comparing a $1k phone to a bunch of billionaire pedos is laughable. Also you can buy previous Pixels that support Graphene.
It's not hyperbole at all. The Trump Phone (the literal Epstein Class phone) is 32% cheaper than the new Moto.
I guarantee you not a single memeber of the Epstein class is using that phone
It's about the branding for the sheeple, not about the high-profile users. We all know those are being serviced by military or corporate degree hardware thanks to their connections.
epstein class phone
The phone looks ok, but I'm most disappointed that the price will likely be $1000+. What's the runner up OS for the midrange? Running GOS on pixel 8 since launch and looking to move in the next ~2 yrs
RAM prices have made it impossible for mid range phones to get the same profit margins they had before. Get a 2nd hand Pixel before they go up even more
looking expensive 😮💨
It's a whole class of its own in terms of price tag. One could call it, an Epstein Class price tag since even the Trump Phone is cheaper.
oh boy, i'm soo looking forward to a phone that runs any android version except the google-infested default android.
while also not breaking 1000 compatibilities to specific functionalities. or having gross security vulnerabilities.
That already exists? Install GrapheneOS on any recent Pixel Phone.
The only thing I'm aware of in years of using it are Apps requiring full Play Integrity, because Google quite deliberate chooses not to allow this for GrapheneOS, despite all requirements being met. I'm not convinced they'll make an exception for a competitor's phone running the same.
So, is GOS, like purposely saying "fuck the poors?" Why spend resources getting flagships when they need to focus on budget phones. Unless they dont give a shit about expanding privacy phones to everyday people.
AFAIK they have very strict hardware requirements, so budget phones might not make it. Even the pixel 11 is not confirmed to have support due to some missing features https://cybernews.com/tech/pixel-11-hardware-support-for-mte/
Other roms and even forks of gos support more budget ones.
Lol they are working directly with the company.
They just need to add a 2€ TPM chip and the rest is mostly software/firmware work.
Pixel is breaking the support on purpose, graphene had a chance to bring that to budget phones, but likely got strong-armed by Lenovo saying "only for a flagship or no deal" or something.
As far as I know, the problem is that Lenovo doesn't make the SOCs that actually implement the security features GrapheneOS requires; Qualcomm does (assuming this phone uses a Snapdragon chip - I didn't check). And Qualcomm only puts these security features into the most powerful SOCs, which are themselves only appropriate for flagship phones.
I hope that some day more budget SOCs will get these security features too so that more people can reap the benefits, and I hope Graphene is pushing for this too, but I don't think we'll see it any time soon.
That being said, I'm just happy Graphene has any partnership at all. One step at a time; once these phones are done they can focus on expanding their offerings more.
the CIA is behind it. they don't want the masses (= poors) to be able to talk privately and maybe organize a significant political change or sth. it's all about keeping the possibility for mass-surveillance open.
technically, it would be trivial to add a TPM chip to every SoC. that would literally cost less than $10 per chip; maybe they wouldn't have to add a chip at all but could do it all in firmware already, depending on how the exact boot mechanism works. there is clearly no technical reason for not doing it; the reason why SoC makers don't add it has to be because of ideological decisions.
There's a lot that Qualcomm could do better support-wise
GrapheneOS has never focused on being widely accessible
nope
What I really want is a phone that is Android based, that has Satellite comms built in
It would be interesting if it gets Droidian.
I should be able to afford an after market signature 27 in 2035....assuming I haven't been thrown in a eugenics camp by then.