Newer IPS screens actually managed to close the gap almost entirely, to the point where I personally prefer them over most OLED screens. And I used to be a huge OLED fan.
You'll probably never get pure blacks on a non-OLED display, but good LCDs nowadays are so close you'll only notice the difference in a completely dark room. Which I think is more than good enough, considering potential OLED issues that never happen on LCDs.
I know what you mean, I'm not a big fan of overly saturated displays. And the refresh rate thing is funny. The first time when I saw "Introducing 144hz" I had a giggle my CRT monitor did that already when I was a kid.
Not sure about that. On notebookcheck they test for pwm and about half of laptop screens have it, last time I checked. But I remember that most of the test winners had it.
"It was ME, Barry! I shredded the arm of the couch, I knocked the takeout off the counter while you were in the bathroom. I slipped through a seam in the wall to throw up in your slippers inside the closet! It was all ME!"
You'll say that right up until you have one right next to the other on the same desk. That's what I have on my workstation at home, and my (admittedly, rather high end) OLED panel makes the IPS monitor look like cheap newsprint by comparison.
I changed from an IPS screen to a nearly identical OLED. I switched them back after a couple months of using the OLED and holy smokes the IPS was so much worse than I remember! I swapped them because I wasn’t happy with the OLED, turns out I was misremembering how good the old screen was.
My phone and PC monitor are IPS and they certainly don't look washed out compared to my OLED TV. Blacks are just slightly grayer. It's really only even noticeable side by side.
I don't understand. My remark was about cats... ;)
A slightly off topic and more serious remark about displays: I don't doubt your experience. I heard that the situation got better. Still the higher power consumption is a factor for me.
TBF, I have yet to see a phone implement burn-in protection features. They're designed to be replaced within 2-3 years because phone manufacturers are greedy assholes.
(FWIW I left some of the burn-in protection turned on on my TV, just turned the annoying pixel dimming stuff off.)
Image persistence also. I can get the IPS panel on my Thinkpad to display a ghost of an image on what's supposed to be black space for upwards of a minute if I use the particular band of colors it seems to hate.
Well there's other downsides to it, but IPS glow is it's only defect.
Severe enough that it renders the monitor unusable. Even if you win the "IPS lottery", there's still some and I can't understand willingly buying something that looks broken. TN is definitely king still, even with the worse viewing angles, but like who uses their monitor from 45 degrees.
I mean, I really don't notice it with regular use, though my monitor is an IPS Black one, so might be less bad. And I definitely notice discoloration on TN panels given how close I am to my monitor =P
I've never heard being close as an issue, I can't see any problems from distance myself. They just have really bad viewing angles, so yeah if you are slightly off angle to it, the edges start to fade. My IPS experience was horrible though, tried a few and the blacklight bleed/IPS glow is just horrendous. I use dark mode on everything, so there's no avoiding seeing it. OLED gave me eye strain and burn-in isn't something want to deal with (the monitors just become ewaste after a couple years). So... here we are with the good ol' TN panel.
Nah that's just a calico and a dilute calico. They're both very cute. Possibly mother and daughter?
OLED displays are capable of showing more vivid blacks, but otherwise you can get damn good pictures out of IPS displays, and honestly I find that if I'm worried about the technical aspects of the picture or display or video signal, than the game or movie I'm watching must be quite mediocre because there were plenty of shows and movies that completely captured me on a 480i CRT.
I first saw Wrath of Kahn on VHS. It wasn't color depth or vertical resolution that made "Of my friend I can only say this: Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the mO'St...human." such a compelling experience.
If your show, movie, sext message, .swf or whatever doesn't work in 480i60 and 2.0 stereo, I don't want to see it because there's no substance, only spectacle.
In an airplane with an open cockpit and a fairly spicy power plant, I took off at dusk and watched the sun rise in the West as I out-climbed the planet's rotation. You think you can wow me with visual spectacle, whelp? That doesn't work on me, you'll have to use an art vastly more powerful but I fear lost to time: Good writing.
There's still well written stuff being made, it's just that there's so much now that the second you find creatives you like, you memorise their names and follow their work, or you're stuck with whatever an algorithm wants you to see.
I like the contrast of OLED but the threat of burn-in outweighs any color improvements over my VA panels. I know you can take measures to greatly reduce that risk, but I just want to use me computer without having to worry about things like hiding my taskbar, man.
My OLED TV is currently 9 years old and has no noticeable burn in. Used for a lot of gaming and video.
I probably wouldn't use it for general PC productivity work though, and tbh isn't suited for it anyway. Odd sub pixel layout for a start, text looked bizarre.
TVs don't really need windows, so most basic window managment is typically more than sufficient. Where even then, XFCE is genuinelly amazing, KDE is heavier than it's benefits imo
I am IPS or die because burn in is something I want to avoid entirely. When the Nvidia pulsar panels get better and not exclusive to Nvidia, then IPS will be the best for gaming again.
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Newer IPS screens actually managed to close the gap almost entirely, to the point where I personally prefer them over most OLED screens. And I used to be a huge OLED fan.
You'll probably never get pure blacks on a non-OLED display, but good LCDs nowadays are so close you'll only notice the difference in a completely dark room. Which I think is more than good enough, considering potential OLED issues that never happen on LCDs.
Also, fuck LG.
I like the last line, they can get bent.
I use a ten year old photography monitor, it's calibrated, and it's good for everything I use it for.
I still have a couple of old IPS monitors with fluorescent backlights. Colors look better on them than most monitors I've seen
I know what you mean, I'm not a big fan of overly saturated displays. And the refresh rate thing is funny. The first time when I saw "Introducing 144hz" I had a giggle my CRT monitor did that already when I was a kid.
I think some did 180hz too
I wouldn't be surprised. There was even a 3840×2400 monitor in the early 2000s. I wanted one so bad but it cost as much as a car.
That’s crazy. You’d have to use SLI or crossfire to run something that high res back then lol.
Oh yeah back then the graphics cards were cheap by today's standards lmao
Aren't oled screens still very bad for people with sensitive eyes due to pulse width modulation?
Basically all IPS displays use pwm as well. Good panels use higher frequencies so they’re harder to notice. But it’s not the rule.
Not sure about that. On notebookcheck they test for pwm and about half of laptop screens have it, last time I checked. But I remember that most of the test winners had it.
If that's the case the frequencies are so high they are undetectable by conventional methods? Plenty of displays get tested as not using pwm.
The left cat started white, but the right one burned its image on the other.
The cat's response time is much faster with "IPSpspsps"
Just touch a plastic bag or a metal can. I swear, my cats have a speed force connection. And one i suspect is Thawn...he mocks me.
"It was ME, Barry! I shredded the arm of the couch, I knocked the takeout off the counter while you were in the bathroom. I slipped through a seam in the wall to throw up in your slippers inside the closet! It was all ME!"
Look! He learn to write and use the internet and mocks me even here!
You have used some truely awful IPS screens buddy. OLED is nicer but not that much nicer.
And why are those cats not being pet? Pet them you monster.
You'll say that right up until you have one right next to the other on the same desk. That's what I have on my workstation at home, and my (admittedly, rather high end) OLED panel makes the IPS monitor look like cheap newsprint by comparison.
I changed from an IPS screen to a nearly identical OLED. I switched them back after a couple months of using the OLED and holy smokes the IPS was so much worse than I remember! I swapped them because I wasn’t happy with the OLED, turns out I was misremembering how good the old screen was.
I have 2 IPS monitors, and the older, cheaper one is much better than the other. so it's not just the IPS-OLED difference.
Might be an exaggeration, sure, but the contrast difference between OLED and IPS are very real
My phone and PC monitor are IPS and they certainly don't look washed out compared to my OLED TV. Blacks are just slightly grayer. It's really only even noticeable side by side.
Blacks are only lighter because the backlight bleeds through, but it's very noticeable in a dark room
Oh yes. Yes I have. Absolutely.
"Profound regret" is an exaggeration, but not by much. Looked fine in the carefully lit showroom. Wasn't fine at all.
If you saw my laptop next to an OLED laptop in my house, you'll eat these words. The difference is more stark than in the cat photo.
I feel seen right now.
Good IPS is good enough and 0 flickering.
Got a TCL tv, looks amazing many in my work have the same and agree with me.
Your TCL TV is VA, not IPS
True.
But OLED cat has a way faster metabolism, you will see it on your cat food bill. And older OLED cats are known to develop a greenish tint.
She is green for an amazing reason
Stop petting your cat while harvesting!
I don't understand. My remark was about cats... ;)
A slightly off topic and more serious remark about displays: I don't doubt your experience. I heard that the situation got better. Still the higher power consumption is a factor for me.
Sorry I misunderstood your comment.
I felt like you didn't, hence the ;). No worries.
My pixel 9a started developing noticeable burn in within 6 months.
TBF, I have yet to see a phone implement burn-in protection features. They're designed to be replaced within 2-3 years because phone manufacturers are greedy assholes.
(FWIW I left some of the burn-in protection turned on on my TV, just turned the annoying pixel dimming stuff off.)
I would accept TN Vs IPS, but not that
TN really depends on the panel, a good TN rivals IPS without all the defects IPS brings.
OLED has its own problems too, it's bizarre how we havent solved screens yet. Maybe MiniLED will triumph?
Are there more than the backlight bleed?
Image persistence also. I can get the IPS panel on my Thinkpad to display a ghost of an image on what's supposed to be black space for upwards of a minute if I use the particular band of colors it seems to hate.
I can't get my current IPS to ghost at all yet. But my old TN had an always visible imprint of the taskbar.
I think in many cases it's not so much the technology, but the quality of the monitor.
Yikes, that does sound bad.
Well there's other downsides to it, but IPS glow is it's only defect.
Severe enough that it renders the monitor unusable. Even if you win the "IPS lottery", there's still some and I can't understand willingly buying something that looks broken. TN is definitely king still, even with the worse viewing angles, but like who uses their monitor from 45 degrees.
Fuck it! I'm going back to an electron gun with magnets in a vacuum!
I mean, I really don't notice it with regular use, though my monitor is an IPS Black one, so might be less bad. And I definitely notice discoloration on TN panels given how close I am to my monitor =P
I've never heard being close as an issue, I can't see any problems from distance myself. They just have really bad viewing angles, so yeah if you are slightly off angle to it, the edges start to fade. My IPS experience was horrible though, tried a few and the blacklight bleed/IPS glow is just horrendous. I use dark mode on everything, so there's no avoiding seeing it. OLED gave me eye strain and burn-in isn't something want to deal with (the monitors just become ewaste after a couple years). So... here we are with the good ol' TN panel.
Nah that's just a calico and a dilute calico. They're both very cute. Possibly mother and daughter?
OLED displays are capable of showing more vivid blacks, but otherwise you can get damn good pictures out of IPS displays, and honestly I find that if I'm worried about the technical aspects of the picture or display or video signal, than the game or movie I'm watching must be quite mediocre because there were plenty of shows and movies that completely captured me on a 480i CRT.
I first saw Wrath of Kahn on VHS. It wasn't color depth or vertical resolution that made "Of my friend I can only say this: Of all the souls I've encountered in my travels, his was the mO'St...human." such a compelling experience.
If your show, movie, sext message, .swf or whatever doesn't work in 480i60 and 2.0 stereo, I don't want to see it because there's no substance, only spectacle.
In an airplane with an open cockpit and a fairly spicy power plant, I took off at dusk and watched the sun rise in the West as I out-climbed the planet's rotation. You think you can wow me with visual spectacle, whelp? That doesn't work on me, you'll have to use an art vastly more powerful but I fear lost to time: Good writing.
There's still well written stuff being made, it's just that there's so much now that the second you find creatives you like, you memorise their names and follow their work, or you're stuck with whatever an algorithm wants you to see.
I like the contrast of OLED but the threat of burn-in outweighs any color improvements over my VA panels. I know you can take measures to greatly reduce that risk, but I just want to use me computer without having to worry about things like hiding my taskbar, man.
So just use the monitor, live life a little instead of being scared of your monitor. I have 2, they're great.
I dont think anyone is scared, some people just value longevity.
I have displays in use that are 15 years old.
My OLED TV is currently 9 years old and has no noticeable burn in. Used for a lot of gaming and video.
I probably wouldn't use it for general PC productivity work though, and tbh isn't suited for it anyway. Odd sub pixel layout for a start, text looked bizarre.
Same, few years short of that though.
Text only looks weird in some apps, mostly windows stuff like word and excel and windows menus... Websites are fine, as are most modern apps.
Moreso TN I think
Where's Plasma?
TVs don't really need windows, so most basic window managment is typically more than sufficient. Where even then, XFCE is genuinelly amazing, KDE is heavier than it's benefits imo
Gnome out here wishing it had a cat.
C'mon, gnome will make it's own cat, gnome-feline, and it will have 3 legs and you can't choose any colors.
We have to go and visit the penguin.
crt cat is better
Lying in a sunbeam
Yeah getting nice and toasty
As a person using IPS, I can confirm these cats look the same /j
Now I have to buy the IPS. Thanks for making me feel bad for it.
I have a Retroid Pocket 5 (oled), and an Anbernic RG405M (not oled), and I am finding the latter kind of hard to look.
love my RP5. gives me nostalgic feels of my original PSP (even though it was LCD).
LCD?
liquid crystalline dildos
Don't I know it!
I am IPS or die because burn in is something I want to avoid entirely. When the Nvidia pulsar panels get better and not exclusive to Nvidia, then IPS will be the best for gaming again.
The cat on the left is more alpha.