Now, some say I could just keep it inside my house, but really it broke containment when I decided to leave it on bank-robbing-mode and left the house for a week.
Israel uses fully autonomous killbots that use llm's and computers to make targeting decisions. Supposedly a person is in the loop, but I would be shocked if they haen't systematically testing them on all full auto.
Why would they bother keeping a human in the loop? Once it's over Palestinian territory there are no wrong targets anyway, let the clanker do its thing and tune it for maximum destruction afterwards.
and I’m certain they don’t check for nearby children
What??? Why wouldn't they check for nearby children? Israel loves two things: doing genocides and killing children. How else are they going to keep the score? Gotta make the number go up!
Those kinds of people won't care unless you specify that it specifically bombs white children or rapes white people (actually, they probably won't care about the rape either).
That's because empathy is not inherent to being human, but is a concept that must be taught, and it is against the interests of the elite to teach empathy to the masses, so they do their best to try to divide us instead so that we can be conquered easier.
When the masses are empathetic, the masses will organize.
Here's the thing... AI is just a convenient layer of obfuscation. Without the layer, those in power would just do it anyway and still rarely be held accountable.
While I have mostly negative feelings toward AI and would rather remove any potential layers of obfuscation so that the public can better see the reality firnwhat it is, the powerful need to be held to account directly. Targeting AI for this kind of thing is just a distraction Putting the focus on AI alone is what they'd want.
And my point is that their point is to minimize the bank robbing robots.
Both things are a problem, the people behind the robots infinitely moreso, but to not minimize the tools of the oppressors. Like blaming the US Gov and ignoring the nuclear bomb.
My inspiration was actually more that the powerful can get away with fucking over the population and blaming it on agents. If the average person used agents to rob a wealthy person, the agents excuse will be worth fuck all.
It's true for every type of societal issue. Let's just assume that for every problem, number one thing that we need to do is eat the rich hold the powerful accountable. But while we figure out how to do that, let's at least not ignore the actual smaller problem that we're dealing with.
A house is on fire because of poor regulations and corruption, poor regulations and corruption needs to be dealt with for sure. A house is on fire though, so it's also important to deal with.
I agree and also disagree. I'm not saying ignore it. Just be aware that there will almost always be an array distracting "smaller problems". I just advise we not spend so much time focusing on smaller problems that the root cause is ignored. Just don't let them be chaff.
The main thing is that they want you to keep talking about it. Even if it's negative press, it's still press. Just whatever you do...don't quit talking about it! That's why I have trouble even making a comment like this. I feel like I'm still feeding into it somehow.
Yeah. Whether these "AI" bots/systems/agents are doing good or bad things, its usually presented as impressive and/or important and fuels the AI hype train.
ooh as like a hobby? what're the cool things u discover? I love handwriting, even tho I don't make the most legible print >m< but most of what I write is for my own eyes so as long as I can understand it idgaf
I helped out with an art project once photographing a very old "illuminated manuscript" book so that it could be restored digitally. Literally pouring over thousand year old handwriting to fill in the time-destroyed gaps where letters used to be. It was neat and it permanently altered my brain to be forever interested in interesting handwriting 😅
Tsk look at this tryhard over here using his brain to do actually cool and interesting things instead of just feeding invaluable manuscripts into the book-eating machine /s
I was thinking today while driving my 30 year old car to town, what would happen if I somehow tricked an AI to use its spare capacity to mine crypto, and it somehow became a worm that all AI data centres picked up, resulting in me getting a nice wallet. Who is committing the crime? Who is losing for me winning?
Would it be like blaming the blue box because it gave me the free phone calls?
You, if they can pin some bullshit on you, which they will try no matter how much a stretch the charge.
And it'll be very hard to get it to stick, one of the few things--Wait.
I read OpenAI's bullshit technical paper on their "incident". I think I realized the easiest vector.
Their internal package repository systems.
During testing they both load them up with whatever the fuck they think will help what they're testing but they also let the models freely iterate with whatever else is there.
How do they determine what goes there?
Well.
Every slop purveyor starts or arrives very early on at the same conclusion; the marketing they got was over hyped and they need to attempt to build a better mousetrap.
The models are better than average for this task over others, because that is also what the AI company is doing all the time, to put it simply.
And the AI company has no issues with copying the repos of the sloppers. They literally just use their snoop ability to grab whatever "improvements" people using their platform's harness "develop".
So. If you were to make a particularly good at "tokenmaxing" approach targeting one of their platforms, just catnip fill it with all of the other Holy Grails these chuds are always chasing, and it gets popular enough, it just might make its way to those internal testing repos tainted code and all, if it's extremely subtle enough...
Well the guys that made computer programs to stream their own bullshit songs they put on places like spotify millions of times and earn real money in accumulated royalties were hunted down and charged under serious federal crimes.
Wire fraud is their go to in cases like this, it's really broad. Any sort of scheme or dishonesty that involves the mail or a wire can convict you of that 4 year felony let alone everything else.
Just don't get caught. The spotify one because you need to give them your identification data to put your songs up. The bitcoin address will be just a random wallet. You just need to be smart in how to turn those into other national currencies.
That is very true, and good advice. If someone knew how to ask, this community could enable even a tech dumbass like me to set something like that up, if said dumbass applied themselves a bit.
The lack of any meaningful accountability for any of this is frustrating.
I fully believe Donald met with all of these bastards behind closed doors and told them they have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want as long as he's president.
You should also mention that the robot helps others with bank robberies, and that they can even choose its outfit—which could make the robot look really cool—but that the lion's share of the loot still goes to you.
"Inevitable" That's what my sister-in-law said, believing AI is "nothing to be afraid of".
The samey Youtube thumbnails and announcement notices on Facebook are fucking annoying, to begin with. It does not help that government and politicians are all gung-ho for slop... because profits.
I've got news for you, Lemmy is not some super obscure underground platform. Yeah it's a bit too convoluted for a lot of super casual social media users, which helps keep the content well-curated, but it's publicly indexed and easily findable and definitely also being crawled for AI training.
There's a difference between feeding it to the slop machine willingly (if maybe unknowingly if they don't read TOS / follow news) and it being stolen illegally by evilcorps.
The small web is a thing and if you don't want to pay with your data ("free") there are ways to get your stuff online without it getting too technical.
It's not quite equivalent. While I 100% agree it's pretty fucked to do this with AI, and obviously it has to get the source material somewhere. The law is the law and you being upset, triggered, or have some traumatic relapse means absolutely dick. If someone draws kiddie porn, it's perfectly legal (although fucking disgusting) but still legal, even if they used a kid they saw while shooing for groceries. AI is being treated the same way, it's generating (drawing) based on what it's learned, the same way a pedo creeper would.
So to approach AI generated pedo porn being illegal you'd need to approach drawing it is illegal, in which case it would be nearly impossible. Since (someone) drew it they could always argue that they just look young and there's no real way to prove it unless they outright admit it, which isn't happening.
Like I said, the shit is fucked up, but LEGALLY it's legal and a grey area at best no matter how anyone feels about it.
Edit. If down voting me makes you feel better, go for it. I'm just explaining to you why it went the way that it did regardless of how you feel about. I'm sorry if you're upset by how things are handled. Like I said, if you feel better and can't handle the truth of how it was handled and why it was decided that then I'm sorry down vote me so you feel like you're doing something productive and I'm a bad person for explaining it.
To your first point, it's actually not legal, and possessing even drawn cp has been treated as a similar crime (which imo is incredibly stupid).
In the case of AI, the training data often included real CSAM material, so it's more like I viewed csam (illegal) then drew it from memory (still illegal but less so).
Humans are given the benefit of "I gathered this data and created a new thing out of it" because that's beneficial to humans. I'm not going to say that humans creating something is magically different from how an AI does, but it's training on often stolen data and/or throttling tons of websites to scrape their data against the wishes of the hosters. It's like if I steal a movie and then make my own movie slightly based on it, the problem isn't my movie, it's the process to get to it (and that it's a human who is benefitting from the result).
The money in a Bank isn't yours, never was. You pay for it that the Bank give you somewhat of it. Using an bot to rob a Bank isn't really not the worst you can do with AI.
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Now, some say I could just keep it inside my house, but really it broke containment when I decided to leave it on bank-robbing-mode and left the house for a week.
Yes I did ask it to please please stay inside. No I didn't lock the door, why do you ask?
the fucks a door
Bank-robbing robot don't know from doors
Now do the same but with "invented a child bombing machine" or "rape machine", for the people who are annoyingly dense and tone-deaf.
Wrong direction, I'm afraid. Entirely AI-directed suicide drones are a thing to avoid jamming and I'm certain they don't check for nearby children
Israel uses fully autonomous killbots that use llm's and computers to make targeting decisions. Supposedly a person is in the loop, but I would be shocked if they haen't systematically testing them on all full auto.
Why would they bother keeping a human in the loop? Once it's over Palestinian territory there are no wrong targets anyway, let the clanker do its thing and tune it for maximum destruction afterwards.
So this is how the Swarm from Black Ops 2 works IRL.
What??? Why wouldn't they check for nearby children? Israel loves two things: doing genocides and killing children. How else are they going to keep the score? Gotta make the number go up!
Those kinds of people won't care unless you specify that it specifically bombs white children or rapes white people (actually, they probably won't care about the rape either).
They don't care unless it's someone they know personally.
That's because empathy is not inherent to being human, but is a concept that must be taught, and it is against the interests of the elite to teach empathy to the masses, so they do their best to try to divide us instead so that we can be conquered easier.
When the masses are empathetic, the masses will organize.
It's against the interests of the elite to teach the masses anything but blind subservience, hence the US education system.
Greedy. Old. Pedophiles. and their cultists are fine with white girls being raped if you’re in the club.
These stupid traitors have even stated they’re fine with their children being raped by maga.
In-fucking-sane
It's a cult like any other. It's not an overstatement.
Just don't go down in the park.
Going outside? In this economy?
Here's the thing... AI is just a convenient layer of obfuscation. Without the layer, those in power would just do it anyway and still rarely be held accountable.
While I have mostly negative feelings toward AI and would rather remove any potential layers of obfuscation so that the public can better see the reality firnwhat it is, the powerful need to be held to account directly.
Targeting AI for this kind of thing is just a distractionPutting the focus on AI alone is what they'd want.Ignore the bank robbing robots!
I think their point is that they were robbing our bank accounts before the robots. Now they're just blaming the robot for it.
And my point is that their point is to minimize the bank robbing robots.
Both things are a problem, the people behind the robots infinitely moreso, but to not minimize the tools of the oppressors. Like blaming the US Gov and ignoring the nuclear bomb.
Tools are tools. If we look at the nuclear bomb, we also see it's basically the only way to keep the US from invading your country.
My inspiration was actually more that the powerful can get away with fucking over the population and blaming it on agents. If the average person used agents to rob a wealthy person, the agents excuse will be worth fuck all.
Powerful can also get away with fucking over the population using said agents* while we all not looking at them doing so.
*agent is a python script that runs in a loop and asks an llm the endless questions about fucking over the population
It's true for every type of societal issue. Let's just assume that for every problem, number one thing that we need to do is
eat the richhold the powerful accountable. But while we figure out how to do that, let's at least not ignore the actual smaller problem that we're dealing with.A house is on fire because of poor regulations and corruption, poor regulations and corruption needs to be dealt with for sure. A house is on fire though, so it's also important to deal with.
I agree and also disagree. I'm not saying ignore it. Just be aware that there will almost always be an array distracting "smaller problems". I just advise we not spend so much time focusing on smaller problems that the root cause is ignored. Just don't let them be chaff.
Emphasis mine
Fair enough. Apologies for not reviewing my word choice thoroughly.
Your house is on fire? Sending thoughts and prayers.
This is fine.
“I cannot be held responsible for what my goons were ordered to do! “ (Mr. Burns, the Simpsons)
The main thing is that they want you to keep talking about it. Even if it's negative press, it's still press. Just whatever you do...don't quit talking about it! That's why I have trouble even making a comment like this. I feel like I'm still feeding into it somehow.
Yeah. Whether these "AI" bots/systems/agents are doing good or bad things, its usually presented as impressive and/or important and fuels the AI hype train.
what is going on with those capital E's.
I tried my best at making ai slop manually... back to the prompting board I guess.
Nah it's awesome!!!
Weird background: I like to study handwriting. I was literally trying to figure out the process 🤣
Start bottom left. Straight line up, then right. Move to the left most part of the next straight line without lifting pen
Jup that's it, and while it feels natural to me, almost everyone has to do a double take. Not always fun :/
Embrace your oddity! Dare to be unique! It's the greatest advantage we have over GenAI right now.
It's the starting at the bottom part that confused me more, I can't make that feel natural.
ooh as like a hobby? what're the cool things u discover? I love handwriting, even tho I don't make the most legible print >m< but most of what I write is for my own eyes so as long as I can understand it idgaf
I helped out with an art project once photographing a very old "illuminated manuscript" book so that it could be restored digitally. Literally pouring over thousand year old handwriting to fill in the time-destroyed gaps where letters used to be. It was neat and it permanently altered my brain to be forever interested in interesting handwriting 😅
Tsk look at this tryhard over here using his brain to do actually cool and interesting things instead of just feeding invaluable manuscripts into the book-eating machine /s
Is it ironic that it was because they needed someone good at Photoshop?
Very cool, I've had a very similar experience! PS - please take as constructive criticism that it is to pore over, not pour over.
Looks like it came out of some forgotten typeset.
Can I self host the brick?
Only if you properly sandbox it. Dare I say, cement it even. Otherwise it'll brick your device.
I really want to crosspost this to c/fuckcars
Go right ahead! Spread the word of the brick!
Thank you. I was just about to post this. OP's post just wasn't evil enough.
Robochomo
Mmmm, now I got a hammering for some mouth watering White Castle burgers
I was thinking today while driving my 30 year old car to town, what would happen if I somehow tricked an AI to use its spare capacity to mine crypto, and it somehow became a worm that all AI data centres picked up, resulting in me getting a nice wallet. Who is committing the crime? Who is losing for me winning?
Would it be like blaming the blue box because it gave me the free phone calls?
🤔
You, if they can pin some bullshit on you, which they will try no matter how much a stretch the charge.
And it'll be very hard to get it to stick, one of the few things--Wait.
I read OpenAI's bullshit technical paper on their "incident". I think I realized the easiest vector.
Their internal package repository systems.
During testing they both load them up with whatever the fuck they think will help what they're testing but they also let the models freely iterate with whatever else is there.
How do they determine what goes there?
Well.
Every slop purveyor starts or arrives very early on at the same conclusion; the marketing they got was over hyped and they need to attempt to build a better mousetrap.
The models are better than average for this task over others, because that is also what the AI company is doing all the time, to put it simply.
And the AI company has no issues with copying the repos of the sloppers. They literally just use their snoop ability to grab whatever "improvements" people using their platform's harness "develop".
So. If you were to make a particularly good at "tokenmaxing" approach targeting one of their platforms, just catnip fill it with all of the other Holy Grails these chuds are always chasing, and it gets popular enough, it just might make its way to those internal testing repos tainted code and all, if it's extremely subtle enough...
🤔 Do I wanna risk jail yet?
continue pls this is better than mr robot
Cannot. I'm Impatient type. I'll leave the theory to posterity. There...there might be praxis here.
Well the guys that made computer programs to stream their own bullshit songs they put on places like spotify millions of times and earn real money in accumulated royalties were hunted down and charged under serious federal crimes.
Wire fraud is their go to in cases like this, it's really broad. Any sort of scheme or dishonesty that involves the mail or a wire can convict you of that 4 year felony let alone everything else.
Just don't get caught. The spotify one because you need to give them your identification data to put your songs up. The bitcoin address will be just a random wallet. You just need to be smart in how to turn those into other national currencies.
That is very true, and good advice. If someone knew how to ask, this community could enable even a tech dumbass like me to set something like that up, if said dumbass applied themselves a bit.
The lack of any meaningful accountability for any of this is frustrating.
I fully believe Donald met with all of these bastards behind closed doors and told them they have free reign to do whatever the fuck they want as long as he's president.
Make no mistake, prez had his fixers work out protection payments through layers of shell comanies leading to his personal control.
It really is like that.
Agreed. No doubt about it.
100%
So, like an popular AI stalking platform recently used heavily by authoritarians across the US.
You should also mention that the robot helps others with bank robberies, and that they can even choose its outfit—which could make the robot look really cool—but that the lion's share of the loot still goes to you.
SIR! I would like to buy one thousand robots.
I would like to rent the robots when you're not using them.
"Inevitable" That's what my sister-in-law said, believing AI is "nothing to be afraid of".
The samey Youtube thumbnails and announcement notices on Facebook are fucking annoying, to begin with. It does not help that government and politicians are all gung-ho for slop... because profits.
Yeah it's really getting to me how people are acting like what's happening with AI is the only way it can happen.
Ah, but you don't understand the politicians also get a cut so this is all fine
By the way, we also sell robot bank guards. Best way of stopping bank robbing robots. Would you like to buy some?
I don't know why but this reads with the cadence of Farnsworth from Futurama to me.
Good news, everyone!
Yeah, feed that right into the slop machine (posting on Threads).
I've got news for you, Lemmy is not some super obscure underground platform. Yeah it's a bit too convoluted for a lot of super casual social media users, which helps keep the content well-curated, but it's publicly indexed and easily findable and definitely also being crawled for AI training.
There's a difference between feeding it to the slop machine willingly (if maybe unknowingly if they don't read TOS / follow news) and it being stolen illegally by evilcorps.
Lemmy barrier for entry is at about Reddit circa 2010 levels.
Trust me. I'm a doctor.
The whole Internet is a slop machine. A few companies bought up all the places people used to go
The small web is a thing and if you don't want to pay with your data ("free") there are ways to get your stuff online without it getting too technical.
oh damn, my robot just inbented the bank robbing robot robbing robot.
We're just bastians of personal responsibility here in the USA
They invented a machine that preaches hate.
All hail the hate preaching machine!
We are just cogs in your greatness!
The only way for the bank to get its money back is to build a You Robbing Robot.
Banks just call the You Robbing Robot a bank.
Aka insurance policies.
You don't want to be left behind, do you?
It's not quite equivalent. While I 100% agree it's pretty fucked to do this with AI, and obviously it has to get the source material somewhere. The law is the law and you being upset, triggered, or have some traumatic relapse means absolutely dick. If someone draws kiddie porn, it's perfectly legal (although fucking disgusting) but still legal, even if they used a kid they saw while shooing for groceries. AI is being treated the same way, it's generating (drawing) based on what it's learned, the same way a pedo creeper would.
So to approach AI generated pedo porn being illegal you'd need to approach drawing it is illegal, in which case it would be nearly impossible. Since (someone) drew it they could always argue that they just look young and there's no real way to prove it unless they outright admit it, which isn't happening.
Like I said, the shit is fucked up, but LEGALLY it's legal and a grey area at best no matter how anyone feels about it.
Edit. If down voting me makes you feel better, go for it. I'm just explaining to you why it went the way that it did regardless of how you feel about. I'm sorry if you're upset by how things are handled. Like I said, if you feel better and can't handle the truth of how it was handled and why it was decided that then I'm sorry down vote me so you feel like you're doing something productive and I'm a bad person for explaining it.
To your first point, it's actually not legal, and possessing even drawn cp has been treated as a similar crime (which imo is incredibly stupid).
In the case of AI, the training data often included real CSAM material, so it's more like I viewed csam (illegal) then drew it from memory (still illegal but less so).
Humans are given the benefit of "I gathered this data and created a new thing out of it" because that's beneficial to humans. I'm not going to say that humans creating something is magically different from how an AI does, but it's training on often stolen data and/or throttling tons of websites to scrape their data against the wishes of the hosters. It's like if I steal a movie and then make my own movie slightly based on it, the problem isn't my movie, it's the process to get to it (and that it's a human who is benefitting from the result).
lol jesus christ....well enjoy your legal child porn while it lasts then...
The money in a Bank isn't yours, never was. You pay for it that the Bank give you somewhat of it. Using an bot to rob a Bank isn't really not the worst you can do with AI.
Yea but it hurts the capitalists for the sake of the example