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Ya I watched right to the end of the video hoping one of those was going to be the money shot.

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Omg this would be such a good method to save money, just make some of them concrete and you never know which one

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I love that idea, will not "damage" a vehicle but still very annoying for pricks like him doing it intentionally.

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startrek.website

They should lose their car and license, and be made to repair all the damage they did. Maybe some community service, too.

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My guess is those pop back up when knocked over. Hard to see in the video if they are standing back up after he hits them but i think they do. I agree he should loose his license and be charged with reckless driving.

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Having seen people drive over these, they are designed to flop around for this very reason, but usually don't stand up to anything faster than walking speed unless they're brand new.

So I'm sure quite a few didn't pop back up.

Either way, I'd make them pay for the entire row and use the money to make a more permanent barrier (that'll never happen in the US)

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protistreply
retrofed.com

They're designed to be knockable and pop back up to accommodate street sweepers and energy* vehicles, but not assholes going full speed

Edit: was sposed to say emergency vehicles

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Guessing an autocorrected emergency vehicles.

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lemdro.id

It's a shame there's not the occasional solid steel bar mixed in with them.

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That driver is already a severe risk to literally everyone and everything around it.

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uhh rubber does bend normally, yes, but not if you hit it at that speed. the rubber has no time to respond properly, and instead of bending, it tears apart, i think. so no, i don't think these will stand up again.

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You can see them pop up in some parts of the video. Regardless though, there's no way they aren't damaged by this. There's only so much wear something can take.

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Rebuild every single one of those by hand, with concrete and rebar. Lose license permanently . Have to speak every year at high schools about anger management, inadequacy and insecurity, for life.

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lemmy.world

23rd Street, Santa Monica. August 9, 2026, a driver in a green truck runs over bollards in the protected bike lane. On August 19, Councilmember Dan Hall reports that the Santa Monica Police Department “has identified the vehicle and owner. They have had the vehicle towed for expired registration and are following up with the owner on the vandalism of public property.” @electdanhal Santa Monica has built 119 of the 187 miles of bikeway in its Bike Action Plan. Roughly five of those miles are protected. The half-mile on 23rd Street is protected by plastic barriers called “armadillos” while other areas, such as 17th Street are protected by concrete curbs.

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slrpnk.net

Lol, 119 miles just a colored line, 5 miles this useless stuff? So none are actually protected

May be wrong

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You got all of that wrong somehow, while extracting numbers from that one paragraph.

  • 119 miles in total.
  • 5 of them protected, so 114 colored lines.
  • Of the protected ones this half-mile with these plastic bollards, 17th street with concrete curbs. Share of bollards to curbs not explicitly disclosed.
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taiyangreply
lemmy.world

I live near enough to know the layout and while it's mostly just colored line, the streets are still usually bike friendly, assuming you don't see this nonsense.

What SM did was actually reduce parking to the point that it forced biking or bussing (and made permits for remaining spots, lol). Driving remains is almost all single lane torture with a 25 mph limit, single because when I was a kid it was two lanes and they decided they wanted a dedicated bike lane (specifically thinking Broadway but probably others).

SM is a small place, too. A ton of those miles are in residential areas with little room for expansion.

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Sounds great. Make them actually protected and you have a neighborhood where people want to live and cars are unwelcome.

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I was getting unregistered jalopy vibes from the condition of the truck (dirty, preexisting body damage). Often also means uninsured, and an owner who doesn't have anything to pay for the damage they cause. The good news is that this driver may not ever get his truck out of impound (in addition to towing + storage fees they'll need to pay to get registration current, they probably wouldn't have let it lapse in the first place if they could afford to do that), so he may be off the road for a while. The bad news is that he'll probably never make the city whole for the damage caused here, though maybe they'll recoup something by auctioning the truck.

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programming.dev

That person should not be allowed to drive anything motorized ever.

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Well that is fine because he will be too lazy and scared to leave his house without a giant truck

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piefed.ca

Of course it's a pickup truck. Classic fragile ego in his emotional support vehicle.

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lemmy.world

That's why where I live (europe) those bad boys are full steel planted on the ground and not some wobbly noodles.

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white_nrdyreply
programming.dev

I would love to see one of them randomly replaced with a rigid bollard, but painted white to match

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Even if it was painted bright orange they probably wouldn't notice or react before hitting it at full speed.

And sue the city for damaging their car.

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Sadly not everywhere yet. From cycling in southern Germany, Austria and Switzerland a good bit this summer I see too many places where there is no bollard at all, just a line drawn on the ground that many ignore. Switzerland in particular was not fun to cycle in

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I think they're this way in some places to allow emergency services to use them as a dedicated lane (cyclists should move to sidewalks and stop when hearing sirens)

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dan69reply
lemmy.world

You just gave me a boner.. uh I want those soo bad too! But the only reason why I think it’s like that here in US cities bc potential need for emergency vehicles cases.

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Better protected bike lanes = more cycling trips = fewer car trips = fewer cars in the way of emergency vehicles = no need for emergency vehicles to shift into the bike lane mid-block

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The goal should be to protect vulnerable road users. Solid metal or concrete blocks would be better because they would actively prevent cars from entering the bicycle lane.

The goal should be safety. A single solid pole in a line of breakaway poles is spiteful.

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lemmy.ml

I'm 100% on board with being spiteful to carholes. My only note on the suggestion is that hitting the concrete one and disabling your car should be considered sufficient evidence on its own to convict the driver of attempted murder.

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A car entering a bike lane by accident is just as deadly as one that enters out of malice. Which is why the bollards should be solid, and visibly so. The dividers should prevent cars from entering.

These bollards are designed to collapse as they did. They are designed to be visible markers, rather than physical barriers. These are bad by design. Lawmakers are more concerned with avoiding airbag deployments than safety.

A single breakaway post that doesn't break away is not the solution. Though I would never snitch on someone secretly who filled one with concrete overnight.

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The collapsible bollards are often to allow emergency services to take the lane as cyclists should be evacuating such lanes upon hearing sirens until it becomes clear their lane isn't needed

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lemmy.world

I was thinking they should be connected with a steel cable at the bottom, and a hook inside the plastic shell, so if a car hits them, they grab on and start slowing the car down.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

No. Each post should be solid enough to stop, or significantly slow a car on its own. They need to be built to protect vulnerable road users from cars. Slowing the cars gradually does not do that.

Cables under tension can snap back which makes your idea even more dangerous than just a concrete block.

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That's how they are in Europe. Slam into one of those and you basically have to get a new car.

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Archimedesreply
sh.itjust.works

You need to promote it as "anti-terrorist hardening to protect cars from terrorist ramming attacks". It's more likely to get support.

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lemmy.world

Eh, there are genuine situations where you don't want to stop the vehicle immediately, like say if this trucker came up on the other side and pushed the filming car into the bike line. Having a controlled line that brings the vehicle to a stop is much safer than having concrete and steel barriers that just shred the car and the occupants. Similar cable systems are already installed to stop cars, so the engineering has been done to prevent those dangerous snap-backs.

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MBechreply
feddit.dk

Yet far more situations where you'd want to stop the car immediately. What's worse in your scenario, a few people in the car potentially getting injured or killed, or multiple pedestrians and cyclists getting mangled by 2 cars?

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lemmy.world

Which scenario is more likely? A car having a lane departure event, or a car having a lane departure event at the exact moment the area next to them is packed with cyclists and pedestrians?

Seeing how this truck managed to go for a mile or so in the bike lane without hitting anyone, I'd definitely err on the side of a car going into the bike lane being more probable than a car going into the bike line right next to a whole bunch of cyclists.

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MBechreply
feddit.dk

If bikers felt better protected, maybe more would bike. In my country something like this would become mass murder. It doesn't though.

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Every road is different, and the protections for the people on the roads should be based on how those roads are being used. This road has a bike lane, and it should make sufficient protections for the cyclcist AND the drivers. If the road had way more cyclists, or cycling was becoming more prevalent, it would make sense to put in better infrastructure to protect that use in those areas. You'll note that not every railroad crossing has a dedicated bridge going over it, or armature, or lights, or even a signal. Those protections are put up based on how frequently the crossing is used and weighed against the damage of an accident there. Simply put, that road doesn't have the cycling demand to build dedicated infrastructure, but there is definitely enough demand to make sure that a truck can't just brodoze down the lane.

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Those systems are designed to dissipate the forces by crumpling and creating debris that is thrown away from the middle of the road. The crash panels at the start of cable systems and guardrails are designed to launch debris in a colission. Incredibly dangerous for cyclists or pedestrians, which is why they are installed at road edges. They are completely unsuitable to be barriers between different types of traffic.

Highway medians are almost always concrete walls. There is a reason those cable systems are not used between lanes of traffic.

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lemmy.world

Highway medians are almost always concrete walls

Funny you mention this, because most highway medians are a W profile ditch, or a cable catch system (which is similar to what I described).

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I'm referring to urban highways where opposing lanes are right next to each other, like the sort of spacing that you would need for a barrier next to a bicycle lane. Those cable systems are only installed in cases where there is generous clearance for debris, which is not applicable for the roadside bicycle lanes we are discussing.

Admittedly it would be much safer for those in the bike lane if we dug a W profile ditch in pace of the car lanes. For some reason I don't see that happening.

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I think they need to be flexible for fire trucks and ambulances. A bike lane can turn into an E lane if designed properly.

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piefed.social

he should be finded for every single of those public infrastructure things he hit for their full replacement value outside of whatever the standard ticket and fine is.

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azimirreply
lemmy.ml

Not good enough:

  1. Loss of drivers license permanently
  2. Vehicle impounded and cubed
  3. Fined the price to change those from useless plastic floppy bits to the concrete and steel reinforced rails needed to keep people safe from cars.
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lime!reply
feddit.nu

vehicle cubed and returned to his driveway.

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piefed.ca

You have 30 minutes to move your car.
You have 10 minutes.
Your car has been impounded.
Your car has been crushed into a cube.
You have 30 minutes to move your cube.

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If you do not remedy this malparkage within 72 hours, your car will be thrown into the East River at your expense.

  • unrelated episode, but also classic
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Really wish some of these came with really harsh punishments like you are suggesting. This is an absolute psychopath who will eventually hurt someone.

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I'd have a raffle to allow someone to hit the button to cube the vehicle, and use the money from the raffle to pay for more/stronger bike infrastructure.

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lemmy.world

and this is why I couldnt give a single fucking shit about any law that says bikes cant be on sidewalks/must be on roads or whatever.

because every fucking car is a hostile, imminent threat to a person on a bike.

And even the sidewalk isnt that safe, I've personally been on a sidewalk that had 4 feet of grass between me and the road and STILL have had assholes swerve through the verge to try and scare me/knock me down/make me crash/whatever their sociopathic intent.

edit: and yes, it was by an asshole in a truck. Its almost always an asshole in a truck.

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altphotoreply
lemmy.today

They need tire punching dividers. It could be bollards that would be fine if a person hits them but would crack under the weight of a car to reveal a nice nail spike.

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lemmy.world

No, just put a goddamn wall in. large enough so a vehicle cant roll over it, thick enough so a vehicle cant crash through it, and heavy enough so an impact cant push it.

Last thing i wanna do is deal with an asshole who suddenly had their tires blow up and lose all control

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In many european countries. The bollards are either steel og concrete. Works like a charm.

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feddit.org

uhh be careful. in many regions it's illegal to just film other people. even if they're doing something illegal. be careful.

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mander.xyz

Imagine how miserable the life of this individual must be for him to do this. Smh

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azimirreply
lemmy.ml

You mean people with non-micropenises. Only jealous or fearful people carry that much hate around.

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Excuse me, as someone with a small package I would never do this.

They've got "pathetic whiny bitch energy" though. Probably complains about woke DEI antifa bike lanes to other dudes who take low angle photos in their trucks with oakleys on.

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Hey now, I like my Oakley's. They're the only ones that fit my face without gaps.

Tbf tho I don't post videos of me bitching about falling behind people without privilege.

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Excuse me, as someone who whines like a bitch, I would never do this.

They've got "grandma who can't find the lane energy" though. Probably complains about technology to other grandmas who blast shopping shows with bifocals on.

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I've never wanted just one of those to be a concrete bollard so badly...

Make it the same height and color, and just place it somewhere randomly within all the plastic ones 😈

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lemmy.world

If you were paying 2k a month on a luxury truck loan to pay 6 bucks for a gallon of gas to go 11 miles at traffic speeds slower than a bike on the shoulder, you too would be incredibly stupid and irate.

Also, that truck driver needs to have their license pulled indefinitely and the truck impounded. That's multiple murder attempts happening in a few minutes. I don't give a fuck if public transport sucks, or if you are crippled and can't walk anywhere. Should have thought of that before you tried to kill someone multiple times with your truck.

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One of these days I want a cyclist to pull a gun on someone pulling this shit. I know pickup drivers are often armed and typically feel safe in their giant trucks. But you drive through the protected cycle lane you should be at risk of being shot by someone fearing that you may continue attempting to attack them.

At least in gunland

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So they saw the green paint, but not any of the bollard things they crushed or the white lines? WTF?

Take this person's license away. They're too fucking blind to be on the road.

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MBechreply
feddit.dk

I'm not convinced that was accidental.

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this is hilarious actually. where do the posts go? they just seem to disappear. also imagine how much damage that car is gonna take. would be real funny if one of these posts was randomly steel instead of rubber lol.

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Crassusreply
feddit.nl

Sadly seem to be rubber posts. In the Netherlands they are used in some places so emergency vehicles can ignore them and go into a otherwise "blocked off" street

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Those bollards are made from recycled tires they'll just pop back up, Dodge Ram is risking a wreckless driving charge for nothing. What a fucking asshole.

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If those delineators are hit with such speed, many of them will be damaged in a way they need to be replaced. For sure this shit going to cost some money for the tax payers.

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Those bollards are made from recycled tires

I would be surprised if that were the case. The ones I see here are a semi-flexible plastic.

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It's funny, by me pickup drivers are usually the most considerate ones to cyclists. Cars with florida plates are usually the worst. I think the reason is that most of the pickups are DOT registered because people use them for work.

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orioler25reply
lemmy.world

I'm pretty sure I'm almost killed by a pickup weekly; definitely haven't gone over a month without it for quite a while

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Wow, crazy. I commute 21 miles (one way) to work in the rural north east on my e-bike. I get buzzed like once a week maybe.

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lemmy.world

pickup drivers are usually the most considerate ones

Not in Texas

Maybe California does it differently, but given the number of Hitler Particles in that state, I kinda doubt it

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That guy is an arsehole in a truck he only bought to try to compensate for his tiny dick. People in those trucks exist only to irritate the hell out of the rest of us.

(Don't get too happy I'm about to make you hate me)

At least he was driving down the bike line.. There's no cyclists in the bike lane, they're too busy on the footpath screaming at pedestrians to get out of the way or get run over.

I hate cyclists equally as much as I hate truck drivers, Van drivers and Tesla drivers.

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