Spyke

Syndicated from the fediverse. Read and engage on the original instance.

View original on discuss.online

118 replies

lemmy.world

If you see that many ads you still have malware, we just call them apps now.

156
cravlreply
slrpnk.net

Ya know, that Alexa was probably more helpful than today's too. 😅

7

How did you get a screenshot of my ex wife's old Samsung netbook?

She called me up once, asked if I could have a look at it because it was slow as hell. Opened IE and I'm not kidding when I say that literally 1/3 of the tiny screen was toolbars.

4

I was looking into making a toolbar extension for fun, they look really whimsical. But all major browser removed the possibility :(

3
lemmy.world

Facts.

I mean, I haven't seen that shit on my system in years because I run redundant adblockers but... when viewing someone elses computer.... it's crazy.

61
orbituaryreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Going to my parents' house is mildly maddening. They watch network and cable TV... The sheer number of ads is unbelievable to me.

51
VitoRoblesreply
lemmy.today

I screamed when I saw a ad in the fucking Windows 10 start menu. Literally suggesting you download Minecraft. Like wtf Microsoft -- this is a work computer.

Not sure what win11 has but I bet its Cortana or bing or whatever AI slop they use.

29

Listen, I'll admit I've never experienced a virus download automatically and rarely experienced a virus from a sketchy file.

But nearly all of gen Z remembers the free internet. Even up to 2016 it was still possible to view every major website without an account.

Every time I disable my ad block, or I see Internet Archive fail to save a webpage, or I'm forced to download the app for the privilege of scrolling down a thread; I get mad at what was taken.

We didn't realize how brief the era of mostly reliable and always verifiable universal information access would be. Now we can't trust any video because Sam Alton threw gasoline on the AI fire to make a failed Tiktok clone.

34
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Conversely, ads are now one of the primary vectors how malware is distributed, so you still have at least 3 viruses on your computer. 👍

33

Ads have always been a primary vector for malware and viruses.

adblocking is basically a condom for the modern internet.

18
lemmy.world

"Back in my day" if a platform or service would look at all your messages and sell the data it would be called active spyware and we treated that like the antichrist.

32
mirshafiereply
europe.pub

Software peaked around 2008. And that's a looong time ago now.

Yes there has been a few improvements since then, but nothing that can really be said to compensate for the massive enshittification of performance, basic quality control, UI, UX, pricing as well as the anti-user practices that have become commonplace.

6
Tattorackreply
lemmy.world

Sad I never got to experience it.

The 2008 financial crises rendered me homeless through my teenage years and my early adult years. I went from experiencing Windows XP/Mac OSX 10.4 straight to Windows 8.1 (I just missed Vista and was quickly introduced to Windows 10).

1
mirshafiereply
europe.pub

You missed Windows 7 because you were homeless? Bruh.

Hope you're doing better. At least it's the golden age of Linux right now!

1

Yeah, ditched Windows 10 as soon as I could. Most of the tools I use have Linux native versions.

3
Wirlockereply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

Just like how boomers always used to assume millennials are children, everyone keeps assuming gen z are children.

The absolute youngest gen z are 14, only 4 more years and there won't be any child gen z left.

Though with how fucked gen alpha is appearing due to the systematic destruction of teaching basic reading skills plus brainrot plus AI; I have a feeling us gen z will go the way of gen x, being silently overshadowed by our neighboring gens over time. Also the nihilism, gen x and gen z share a lot of nihilism.

15

Eh, it might not be legally true but a lot of 22 year olds still seem like children to me.

1

I remmeber early years of Facebook and other similar era stuff. It was pretty alright as far as ads go.

6

I also find this weird. I feel like millennials have more in common with gen z than any other two of the "gens".

6

The main problem is, that the "generational concept" is sociologically useless.

4
sh.itjust.works

Advertising is the most prolific form of environmental pollution wrought by commerce.

It needs to become as socially acceptable as smoking, and every instance of it must be exhaustively scrutinised and required to be justified.

24
otacon239reply
lemmy.world

You mean the people who consume ads get extra work breaks throughout the day?

13

Thank you. People use power usage against cryptocurrency but their eyes glaze over when I ask how much of our resources are wasted serving constant ads to every screen in existence.

2

Completely agree. The worst are maybe the nonstop ads for various prescription medications. Those used to be illegal.

1
lemmy.wtf

I don't think you lot know how old gen Z are, older gen Z are turning 30 next year

23

I just want you to ask yourself, does putting that information out in the world make anyone's day better. Cmon friend, no one wants to see that.

15

It's roughly the right ballpark. Yes some of the oldest gen Zs dealt with that era in their childhoods, but by the time they were not depending on their parents to curate their computer, most of them weren't dealing with that reality anymore.

2
shneancyreply
lemmy.world

millenials are described as people who remember the turn of the millennium, so anyone born after 1996 doesn't count

3
lemmy.world

Watching TV, ads ran every 15 minutes and lasted 3 minutes when I was a kid but then jumped up to 4-5 minutes. So, 4 minutes of ads and 11 minutes of show, then another 4 minutes of ads. Unskippable, awful ads for deodorant and slap chop

Oh discussion is only about computers. I remember the first popup ads and pop under ads and they put a fake x so when you click it instead of closing it takes you to install malware

23
feddit.org

It's hard for me to say this but I actually miss older (NT based) Windows versions. They kind of worked, had a mostly consistent UI / UX and could even be customized a little bit.

Yesterday I had the Editor (the thing that used to me notepad) show me an account login notification, next to some weird copilot buttons that were not there the last time I used it. Best of all, the notification couldn't be confirmed due to a bug and stayed open the whole time and covered about 1/8 of the screen...

On my super locked down work laptop windows does weird screen size stuff with windows shrinking or getting larger, especially when they're moved between screens that have different scaling, sometimes task bar icons disappear or begin to flicker.

WTF?!

17

We used to have a Windows NT pc. It had 64MB of RAM iirc. I think we had it in a dual boot with windows 98 at one point? It was always crashing. There was a weird issue where if the pc crashed when it was shutting down, your profile got wiped. So every time we shut the pc down, we'd be like, "Please don't crash, please don't crash."

At first they all blamed me for the wiped profiles, because I was the only one it didn't happen to. Then they realised it was the shut down crash.

1
piefed.zip

Me being on the family computer running XP and finding porn for the first time around high school age. Learned a lot of things immediately after.

Got caught and lectured.

  1. So I learned to wipe history and cookies.
  2. I honestly don't remember anymore how adblockers work back then or it exists. Probably does. But fuck all the fake Download buttons and X to close buttons.
  3. I learned how and where from to torrent safely eventually.
  4. became the tech support cleaning all the stupid toolbars. FML
16

OMG I remember browser toolbars! One time I used my relatives PC and there were like 6 toolbars stacked on top of each other... I was like what have you been doing with this?!

18
lemmy.world

What ads? uBlock, Sponsorblock and an automatic cookie decliner and the Internet experience is only hindered by log ins.

Also change your DNS and if you can use a VPN and a faked user profile like user agent switcher.

Sites these days collect all the data they can, that includes your screen size, system data like sound drivers and operating system or your language and IP Adresss which sites you visit at what times (that is where the DNS comes into play).

But yeah, the Internet has changed a lot and for the worse. So far there are ways to mitigate them.

16
whereitsatreply
lemmy.zip

gen-z and alpha don't know anything about computers.

frankly, i have no idea how anything is even maintained. it's probably on the backs of millions of first and second-gen immigrants.

some of these dumbasses i work with can't even navigate basic windows features--and these are college bound young adults.

6
kadureply
scribe.disroot.org

I read comments like yours and always thought it was hyperbole, then I became a bioinformatics teacher.

Not hyperbole. iOS and Android destroyed future generation's ability to understand traditional computing.

They can't unzip a file, they can't navigate a directory hierarchy deeper than one level, they can't reply to an email without replying to all recipients.

A class about BLAST had to become a class about how to install a program on Windows.

6
shneancyreply
lemmy.world

wait... how to install a program on windows? you mean download the installer, yes, yes, next, i agree, next next next, done?

2
Kabakareply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

The main installation method young people run into nowadays is the Steam or phone app store experience: search for the thing in the store, click "install," wait briefly, click "open." Installing a program from a website or physical media is not as common an activity as it used to be — other than installing Steam itself or similar, for example, which is a quickly forgotten inconvenience.

1

o. o wild, i hope the kids discover the joy of installing independent software on their machines

1
shneancyreply
lemmy.world

gen z here, you're thinking of young gen z or gen alpha. us old gen zs have a lot in common with milenials, as in we're the ones doomed to export to .pdf and "fix the wi-fi please"

5

Hello friend, welcome to the next ten years of explaining to people that being 29 and being 39 are not the same

5

except when a website stops working when you enable adblockers, ive ever used monkeyscript

2
lemmy.world

ome of these dumbasses i work with can’t even navigate basic windows features–and these are college bound young adults.

It's funny, if you have a generation that hasn't ever needed to use Windows, wasn't trained on it, pretty hard to knock them for it. It would be the same thing as taking Windows users and dumping them on Mac, or worse, dumping them into a rando Linux distro and saying 'good luck, why do you suck at this'. Its a pretty popular YouTube video topic for the tech sphere lately though.

0

the same thing as taking Windows users and dumping them on Mac

Which has happened to me and was no problem, its very intuitive to use most systems.

3
slrpnk.net

Life was easy back in the day. People asked me to fix their computer. "I installed Firefox 3.5 and ABP. Life should be good for you now."

Come back years later annnnnnd they have been goaded to use Chrome and have trillions of bullshit apps. Was like "sorry, you have to actually pay me real money to fix this, people in this industry are actually very well compensated"

12
lemmy.world

I remember installing all the stupid search bar add-ons in the 2000s. How naive I was back then! Got to learn things the hard way I guess

3

Wearing browser search bars like a general with those little flat medals

3
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I've a friend who uses chrome on Windows and absolutely refuses to switch to Firefox for ublock. His kid is three and already knows what ads are.

I don't get it.

10

It’s because most people do their browsing on their phone and so when they use a computer browser the internet just looks “normal”

4

Yeah those people are absolutely frying their children's brains. I can't imagine not protecting kids against constant notifications or ads.

I think the worst is when parents give their children a phone, but do a really shitty job vetting what apps they install. Like, why did you let your small child install 150 "free" "games" which show two ads every 75 seconds? Are you insane, stupid, evil or all three equally???

My god I am so triggered.

4

I guess Firefox is some sort of outcast in their eyes, or something like that.

2
lemmy.world

sure kid. for me it would be a long interstate road trip in a car that runs leaded gas, has no A/C and only an AM radio.

9
wiesonreply
feddit.org

I still remember driving to summer holiday in Italy and my mum having the paper map out, the road marked with yellow highlighter and all the exits and changes written out beforehand. No A/C as well.

4

There was the pilot, and the navigator, whose job it was to read the map and say stuff like "the exit after this"

Somehow family members who lived through this lost the ability to navigate. I though my sister and later mother were fucking with me when I would ask and they would repeat word-for-word what apple maps just said, expecting me to read the names of every street we drove by. No turns out they literally cannot read a map and say "turn right in 2 streets, right before the McDonalds", they have to follow the little arrow until it gets to the turn. This was 2 different road trips btw.

5
eneffreply
discuss.tchncs.de

I've never even owned a car with A/C. I guess you can't miss what you don't know?

2

Growing up in the rural Deep South of the USA, getting A/C at home, school, and in the car was a life changing thing.

1

Fedi is great because if you saw as many ads as I see every day on fedi, it meant you had at least one virus, not three.

8
lemmy.world

Or you're a teenager making fat stacks with multiple ad bars. And by fat stacks, I mean fractions of a cent.

There was an ISP that also gave a discount (or was it free?) if you had the ad bar running. NetZero was it?

5
lemmy.world

I think? or Juno.. one of the dialups.

man I cant believe I remember Juno.. or NetZero.

edit I just looked it up.. NetZero still exists.And is still operating, as a dialup internet provider.

more so.. the company that owns NetZero, also owns Juno.. and owns K-Marts (Americas K-Mart, not Australia's) BlueLight Internet service as well.

Talk about a memory hole

5
taiyangreply
lemmy.world

Wow, that's wild. I guess there's still a market for dialup, even in the age of mobile and satellite.

4

Basically every time America gives huge telecom conglomerates money to expand rural services they literally just steal it and face no consequence whatsoever. It’s such a scam, politicians look good because they vote to spend 400 million dollars to expand rural access, comcast and Verizon take with the promise that in 5-10 years things will be better, then they do nothing hoping people will forget. Even when an expose article is written on the issue American cynicism kicks in and the politicians get away with letting them steal literally hundreds of millions of dollars.

It’s basically money laundering. It’s also a reason rural areas (which already tend to skew republican) have more support for musk, because for a lot of them starlink is the only real option for passable internet, but that’s expensive for internet that is pretty shitty compared to a basic broadband connection. And thus ~20% of rural Americans and almost 30% of Americans on tribal lands have no access to broadband in 2026

6

It is America, i'm sure theres still places that have nothing but phone lines for access to the outside world.

4
smeenzreply
lemmy.nz

I'm a command line, not a GUI

6
CEO_Monkreply
piefed.social

Now I'm waiting for Microslop to introduce ads to cmd and powershell

6
Sidheanreply
piefed.social

I think Ubuntu beat Microsoft to it, actually. "Get more security with Ubuntu Pro!"

Still, Watch MS make it so much worse. We just have to wait for people to start using window's command line interface!

4

they did indeed, and they did it all the way back in 2018! here's a ubuntu 18 box which i should really get around to updating:

1

Iam a Linux user GUI and CLI, graphene phone as android, will never go back to before, started recent with meshcore .

1
ikiddreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Normies don't understand adblockers. I mean, its a tough concept, like quantum mechanics. Can't expect them to know how to hit a button.

3
FatVeganreply
leminal.space

I know so many people who claim it's just easier to watch ads and click them away and tell me about their little hacks, it's crazy. Looking at a strangers phone gives me anxiety. My sister always tells me that watching tv isn't that bad, and she'd record it and skip ads, which to me is already insane. NOW YOU CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE. She said she can still skip it, but not on the "good" movies, it still works on some trash tv and daytime stuff. They clearly took that away by choice and she's still like: it's just like 5 ads a movie, we just go to tge toilet or whatever. Same with navigating the internet. Well yeah, you just ignore the pop ups and agree to all the cookies

5
ikiddreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

I haven't watched a live TV show outside of a game at a bar in like 30 years. Hell, I had tuner cards in a MythTV box and it would strip the ads for me based on the volume changes back when I paid for cable.

The complacent laziness and stupidity of people is why we have ads on everything today. 30 seconds on Google and the ads would be gone. Instead they just click through.

Fuck, I miss the old internet.

2
FatVeganreply
leminal.space

I do too. I know it's a very elitist thing to say, but the internet, while not as vast as it is now, was way better when it took some effort to browse the web. Like a pc, a modem, some knowledge, troubleshooting etc. It was like a bouncer, keeping some people out. I haven't had home tv for like 15 years now, and the only time i see live tv is when i'm at someone's home and the tv is running. No joke, i would rather not watch tv at all. Same with the internet. I've never been a social media guy, but someone tried to show me something on facebook the other day, the last time i saw facebook was when someone showed me their farm on farmville. It was pure nightmare fuel. I can not imagine apending my time like that. I know different people enjoy different things, but that seems really dumb, and these people are the reason you even beed adblockers, vpn, a piehole, cookie deniers and whatnot.

3

What people put up with on Facebook, especially after things like Cambridge Analytica, is utterly astounding to me. I burned my facebook account in something like 2007 after I heard about Zuckerberg's "dumb fucks" statement.

And then they post pics of the grandchildren along with every piece of trivia to be used against them in years to come. Weirdos.

2
rethnorreply
lemmy.zip

It's so jaring to use my work computer, I can't install an ad blocker, and it's over vpn which avoids my networks pihole. How do people deal with that level of advertising?

2

I think ,its provider and country related, I switch 3 times provider internet when I used windows, received some small amount of advertising.

When I left win. for linux ,journey was completed ,I was home.

1

Eh, as a member of Gen Z I remember AOL dialup before we moved to cable, and using Mac os 9 on some of the iMac g3's the school had for reader rabbit/type to learn.

I fondly remember infecting the family XP machine for cursor mania lmao.

Kind of like the modern "Lincoln telegraphing a samurai".

4

Now w3c has decided our browsers should run everybody's malware, and it's totally fine if every site breaks if we try to disable the malware

3

Now the viruses are in your brain. Never really went away...

3
lemmy.world

The whippersnappers think that as long as the ad is coming from someone hot and it's in their FYP, it must not be an ad.

3

That's the thing: that's still true, it's just that Windows, Chrome and Facebook/IG are all malware, and people (of all generations) seem to fail to process that undeniable fact.

2

Now w3c has decided our browsers should run everybody's malware, and it's totally fine if every site breaks if we try to disable the malware

0
lemmy.world

Ad Blockers are a thing. Watching Ads is a choice.

0

Not sure why you got downvoted for that. All it takes is downlading almost any other browser besides chrome. When my aunt shows me something on her phone and the page is full of ads, and I'm just like, why are you putting up with this? I installed a different browser for her that blocks both webpage ads and YouTube ads, but I strongly suspect she's still using the same old browser.

4

Yeah I'm a bit tired of all the posts nagging about ads lately. Why choose to not block them and then complain?

3