Shooting upwards at the cameras puts innocent people in danger. I know gun cultures love to sky fire but in Canada we don't do that dumb shit. Especially out west where the mountains obscure who lives a few miles away. Could easily kill some rancher with no hospital for 100 miles. (or a cow!)
Ricochet. If the bullet goes through the camera and hits the pole it could deflect and injure a bystander.
Shrapnel. Hit the wrong spot and the camera might eject sharp pieces that could hurt someone.
Actually yes, it massively increases the number of potential charges. Also way more likely to get excited police officers turning up quickly and knowing you have a gun.
Discharging a firearm in a city or near a highway is a crime, as well as being unsafe and irresponsible. Shooting from a vehicle is also usually illegal and there may be other laws specifically for firearms that they be charged with too such as possession of a firearm when committing a crime.
For example robbing a bank is a crime but robbing a bank which a firearm is two different crimes and if you show the gun that can be brandishing which is a third. For this reason, and because bank tellers are told to just hand over the money which is all government insured, most people rob banks by only passing a note to the cashier and not having any weapons at all.
If these batteries get punctured, they'll burn like this. Source: I work in waste management, we have daily fires in the shredders because people are too lazy to properly dispose their old batteries.
Most of these cameras are traffic cameras. Personally I’m finding it a little gross that people against traffic cameras are putting on an anti-surveillance state image to take them down when in reality curbing aggressive driving is a pretty important part of pedestrianizing and democratizing urban centres. I’ve always had the vague feeling that this Flock camera debate has been hijacked by people who don’t actually care for improving communities.
The correct way to fix aggressive driving is traffic calming. In other words, making physical changes to the infrastructure, like removing lanes, lane-narrowing, adding speed humps or chicanes, etc.
As (a) a traffic engineer, (b) a bicycle and pedestrian activist, and (c) a mod of ![email protected], I find it downright insulting to be accused of "[not] actually car[ing] for improving communities" just because I also care about not creating a motherfucking totalitarian panoption!
I drive a car and really appreciate your work. I hope to someday help get public transportation in my part of Texas to a point that I can say "fuck cars" and not feel embarrassed by my own existence.
Again, I’m not debating the problems with surveillance for non traffic related issues. However these examples in your video are very clearly traffic cameras. It does not help the issue to carry water for aggressive car driver culture in the guise of being anti-surveillance.
Traffic cameras don't help stop dangerous drivers, the stats don't show that at all. Red light cameras decrease running red lights but increase rear end collasions by the same percentage and don't do anything to help pedestrian safety. It's been proven time and time again none of this is to help the public,it's to make massive profits.
You may be misinformed; The flock cameras in this video are not just traffic cameras but in fact are tracking everyone's location all the time in a national database in a way that violates the 4th amendment.
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New favorite American pastime.
Halloween is a good time for ... I forgot what I want to say ... but Halloween definitely is a good time.
The cameras are going up in the street lights next.
You got lights on your car, don't ya? Cut them down next.
Please don't take pictures of yourself or your friends doing this. Ffs people. Don't get caught.
Isn't it easier to shoot them with an air gun?
Real question for the USA people, will shooting them be anymore of a crime? Just sounds like a faster and more fun way of doing this.
Canadian here. Way too dangerous!
Shooting upwards at the cameras puts innocent people in danger. I know gun cultures love to sky fire but in Canada we don't do that dumb shit. Especially out west where the mountains obscure who lives a few miles away. Could easily kill some rancher with no hospital for 100 miles. (or a cow!)
Ricochet. If the bullet goes through the camera and hits the pole it could deflect and injure a bystander.
Shrapnel. Hit the wrong spot and the camera might eject sharp pieces that could hurt someone.
People suck at aiming.
Actually yes, it massively increases the number of potential charges. Also way more likely to get excited police officers turning up quickly and knowing you have a gun.
They don't put these cameras up in neighbourhoods where gunshots are expected
Yes, which means people will report them and the cops will turn up faster.
Discharging a firearm in a city or near a highway is a crime, as well as being unsafe and irresponsible. Shooting from a vehicle is also usually illegal and there may be other laws specifically for firearms that they be charged with too such as possession of a firearm when committing a crime.
For example robbing a bank is a crime but robbing a bank which a firearm is two different crimes and if you show the gun that can be brandishing which is a third. For this reason, and because bank tellers are told to just hand over the money which is all government insured, most people rob banks by only passing a note to the cashier and not having any weapons at all.
The heroes we need.
I played the video. Saw nothing. None of you did either.
EDIT:
Oh, oh no, I ain't see nothing. Ha! I ain't seeing nothing. Matter of fact, I'm blind in my left eye and 43% blind in my right eye.
It all went by so fast, I couldn't tell you what happened.
Some crazy weather ill tell you what!
What video?
You sure? I'm pretty sure we just watched a compilation video of Netanyahu's penchant for destruction
I just heard a song I like and lots of wind.
The Autumn Wind is a people
Struggling to be free
With a phone and car, they see quite far
And trackers all they see
Their bodies are well covered
And no one sees their faces
With lasers, saws, and power tools
Put fascists in their places
They go across the country
To knock down one by one
Care not to see just where they be
For this is not for fun
The Autumn Wind is a people
Who want to be alone
No one should know just where they go
Or what is on their phone
Dude, fuck yeah.
Oh shoot! What happened??
Nothing happened. Just good old fireworks for the 4th of July or something.
strong winds too
What would cause fire like that? Assume it is an internal lithium-based battery?
If these batteries get punctured, they'll burn like this. Source: I work in waste management, we have daily fires in the shredders because people are too lazy to properly dispose their old batteries.
A single spark can start a prairie fire.
What? We didn’t start the fire…
The bush doesn't help
Flock this shit
By the time this is over you're gonna have to look back when you're backing up.
Darn! My wife is gonna be pissed and I'm gonna have to reinstall that camera.
🤣
Most of these cameras are traffic cameras. Personally I’m finding it a little gross that people against traffic cameras are putting on an anti-surveillance state image to take them down when in reality curbing aggressive driving is a pretty important part of pedestrianizing and democratizing urban centres. I’ve always had the vague feeling that this Flock camera debate has been hijacked by people who don’t actually care for improving communities.
Looks like we got Flock astroturfing on Lemmy, not the first time I've seen this kinda shit
Found the fed.
The correct way to fix aggressive driving is traffic calming. In other words, making physical changes to the infrastructure, like removing lanes, lane-narrowing, adding speed humps or chicanes, etc.
As (a) a traffic engineer, (b) a bicycle and pedestrian activist, and (c) a mod of ![email protected], I find it downright insulting to be accused of "[not] actually car[ing] for improving communities" just because I also care about not creating a motherfucking totalitarian panoption!
I drive a car and really appreciate your work. I hope to someday help get public transportation in my part of Texas to a point that I can say "fuck cars" and not feel embarrassed by my own existence.
A network of "traffic cameras" might include other sensors than a camera.
The 24/7 monitoring of an intersection outside of an abortion clinic might be used to find women that had an abortion.
Police and others with access do abuse these systems for personal use with minimal oversight.
Again, I’m not debating the problems with surveillance for non traffic related issues. However these examples in your video are very clearly traffic cameras. It does not help the issue to carry water for aggressive car driver culture in the guise of being anti-surveillance.
These Flock cameras are ALPRs, but downplaying them as traffic cameras is disingenuous at best.
These cameras collect a myriad of descriptors aside from just plate numbers including bumperstickers, visible marks, vehicle add-ons, etc.
They allow sharing of data by not just government owned but also civilian owned cameras to create a much wider net than any standard traffic cam system. Police in Texas used a grid of 83,000 cameras to track a woman who got an abortion.
This is just the early stages of data harvest and tracking, as there's plans to integrate SignalTrace into the mix, allowing tracking BT, wifi, and RFID signals. . Pairing these together allows even more invasive monitoring.
Ignoring how Flock already helps ICE track people, there's also the abuse already happening as multiple reports have been filed related to officers stalking romantic interests
ALPRs arent their only product, just the first. They also sell pan/tilt cams for tracking people, high-sensitivity mics for "gunshot detection", and drones
Traffic cameras don't help stop dangerous drivers, the stats don't show that at all. Red light cameras decrease running red lights but increase rear end collasions by the same percentage and don't do anything to help pedestrian safety. It's been proven time and time again none of this is to help the public,it's to make massive profits.
Every one in the video is a flock camera.
Not a single camera there is a speed or stoplight camera.
Every single one in that video is a network camera on a searchable system that us regularly searched without a warrant.
You may be misinformed; The flock cameras in this video are not just traffic cameras but in fact are tracking everyone's location all the time in a national database in a way that violates the 4th amendment.
And the 1st, 14th, and 9th.
Have a council meeting to
blow upexplodiate in a few weeks. They put one of these things at the local playground of all places...Uh, may want to reword that a bit...
Which one is a traffic camera?
They are very clearly flock cameras, which also are traffic cameras.
Honestly everything around here is about cherished narratives.
But you do create an interesting tension between two cherished narratives:
I think number 2 is just winning out.