The data you're citing would falsely indicate closer to 100mil every 10 years. Started a tally in 1990, its 2026 and it included millions of pre 90s deaths. Now whose inflating😉. The 420 million figure isn't a measured death toll caused by capitalism. About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism. Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system. Especially when considering the billions of dollars capitalist countries give in aid internationally and domestically. Also, global child mortality has fallen massively during the same period the site is counting these deaths as capitalism's toll. The under-five mortality rate fell about 60% from 1990 to 2024, while the site attributes millions of ongoing deaths to capitalism.
Uh decreases in child mortality is a result from non-profit, state-driven public health initiatives and mass vaccination campaigns, publicly funded sanitation, and universal health protocols rather than market driven incentives. Credit belongs to public infrastructure, not private market distribution. You can thank socialism for this.
Well The World Health Organization attributes reductions in child mortality primarily to public health interventions, such as expanded immunization programs, water treatment, and maternal health services, rather than market-driven healthcare.
Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system.
Are you going to apply the same standard to your original claim? How many of the alleged 200 million would have survived under a non-communist system?
Data's messy... I get it. The actual mechanics of tallying all of this don't matter quite as much as applying those rules consistently. It would be a bit unreasonable for you to ask for a counterfactual tally of deaths under capitalism if you're unable to provide one for deaths under communism.
About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism
Ah the good ol tactic of "these people didn't die due to covid, but they died while having covid."
About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism
Yeah? You want to try applying this standard to your own numbers first.
I didnt make the 200 mil meme but I did just finish this book that does a pretty good job laying it out. More anti concentration of total power in government than anything. Although the entire premise of the meme is kinda flawed since communism has never existed in the first place. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/998056.Death_by_Government
As the historian Ronald Aronson pointed out, even if Margolin did not cite the figure of one million victims of Vietnamese Communism invented by Courtois in the introduction, at no point in his chapter on Communism in Asia did he mention that the US intervention in Vietnam had cost, according to some estimates, up to three million lives.
Which is a bare minimum to treating the symptoms of capitalism. So that means nothing, while the world fucking burns due to to insatiable wealth pisser.
Because if you do think about it, you would realize that a wide variety of species shows a wide variety of different behaviours. Which in turn means that all these opposing ways of behaviour are indeed natural, but not necessary natural for humans, as they are contradictory to each other.
Or if you want to follow your proposed line of thought to the logical end, I await your proof of human males attaching to the much bigger female and atrophying to a simple ball of sacks for insemination as angler fishes are proven to do.
Or to make the point even more direct: the whole concept of laws to give or take ownership is in itself so counter to all other animals behaviour that it is ludicrous to try and argue any part of that is in any kind of way natural. Or by definition of 'humans as animals' would mean any political system we adopt is natural by design.
Anything you don't like is capitalism. You can even apply it to your feelings and bodily ailments. "I've been feeling horribly capitalism today after my knee went all capitalism."
Capitalism as a mode of production is only a few hundred years old. It's essentially a mode of production where private ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and capital owners control the state. Before capitalism was feudalism, and before feudalism came slave societies, and before those came tribal communalism.
Human nature is incredibly malleable and depends most upon how we produce and distribute, how we live and how our environment shapes us.
Two hundred million? They managed to double their kill count since 2000? Impressive, especially considering the lack of invading Nazis to mow down en masse for easy numbers.
The 100 million figure includes abortions and Nazis killed during World War II, so even that's already horrendously off (not to mention the outright faked numbers).
You think I was using that source in my favor? Or that it proves literally anything? That's fantastic. Also, that last part was hurtful and I demand an apology. I'd also like you to work on understanding context. I believe you can be better if you work at it.
Doesn't have to have perfect opinions on everything to write a good book. Look at Marx and his views on jews/minorities or Schopenhauer and his views on women.
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Capitalism kills 200 million people every 10 years.
Yeah, but that's ok because a few hundred people get to have more money than god.
Can fairytales have money?
Considering most of their wealth is speculative anyway, I'd say it's fair to assume imagined entities can be included on the scoreboard.
Even if they can’t, wouldn’t that just mean that the category “more money than god” is just larger than you’d think at first?
Pretty sure a good chunk of Disney's budget is allocated to fairytales
Erm, source?
Here's a running tally
The data you're citing would falsely indicate closer to 100mil every 10 years. Started a tally in 1990, its 2026 and it included millions of pre 90s deaths. Now whose inflating😉. The 420 million figure isn't a measured death toll caused by capitalism. About 90% comes from deaths associated with hunger and inadequate healthcare, and the site makes the additional causal assumption that those deaths are attributable to capitalism. Show me the counterfactual proving those people would have survived under a non-capitalist system. Especially when considering the billions of dollars capitalist countries give in aid internationally and domestically. Also, global child mortality has fallen massively during the same period the site is counting these deaths as capitalism's toll. The under-five mortality rate fell about 60% from 1990 to 2024, while the site attributes millions of ongoing deaths to capitalism.
Uh decreases in child mortality is a result from non-profit, state-driven public health initiatives and mass vaccination campaigns, publicly funded sanitation, and universal health protocols rather than market driven incentives. Credit belongs to public infrastructure, not private market distribution. You can thank socialism for this.
That's a hell of a stretch comrade
Well The World Health Organization attributes reductions in child mortality primarily to public health interventions, such as expanded immunization programs, water treatment, and maternal health services, rather than market-driven healthcare.
Yes exactly, that's what I'm saying.
low effort ragebait
Thank you
That's not the only thing that's a stretch, check this out
Are you going to apply the same standard to your original claim? How many of the alleged 200 million would have survived under a non-communist system?
Data's messy... I get it. The actual mechanics of tallying all of this don't matter quite as much as applying those rules consistently. It would be a bit unreasonable for you to ask for a counterfactual tally of deaths under capitalism if you're unable to provide one for deaths under communism.
That's exactly what I mean
Ah the good ol tactic of "these people didn't die due to covid, but they died while having covid."
No, not even remotely close to the same thing. But, at least you tried to make a point.
Yeah? You want to try applying this standard to your own numbers first.
What numbers
Lazy troll
Idk seems like I've been doing a pretty good job with very little effort.
Also needs to be normalized by the number of people in each system.
You too
I didnt make the 200 mil meme but I did just finish this book that does a pretty good job laying it out. More anti concentration of total power in government than anything. Although the entire premise of the meme is kinda flawed since communism has never existed in the first place. https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/998056.Death_by_Government
Commies gotta pump those numbers up if they want to come even close to capitalism's death toll.
Fr fr on god
And how many due to capitalism? EVERY DAY?
But have you considered scary black book of communism?
never heard of it :)
Oh no. not again.
Again as many times as it has to.
"the claims that Courtois made in the book’s introduction were not even accepted by all of his own contributors."
The figure encompasses the number of Vietnamese casualties resulting from armed conflict with the US.
Idk, seems like a lot of food/aid gets delivered places.
Which is a bare minimum to treating the symptoms of capitalism. So that means nothing, while the world fucking burns due to to insatiable wealth pisser.
What would work better on a 8 billion multinational people scale? While still affording individual national cultures and freedom of expression.
I love you, Chippy. <3
nice wombat.
That's a photo of Jiri Procházka holding me.
Communism
Source?
capitalism being a system that promotes the accumulation of wealth / power by few to exert over many? So like.. nature? Yeah, that would be everyone.
Everyone that has ever died ever is due to capitalism. :)
Capitalism is not human nature.
what is capitalism?
Capitalism is the private ownership of the means of production.
There are special subdivisions with certain extra features, but the bare bones definition is just that.
Isn't private ownership kind of an extension of territorialism which is present in many species? Makes you think, huh?
No, not really.
Because if you do think about it, you would realize that a wide variety of species shows a wide variety of different behaviours. Which in turn means that all these opposing ways of behaviour are indeed natural, but not necessary natural for humans, as they are contradictory to each other. Or if you want to follow your proposed line of thought to the logical end, I await your proof of human males attaching to the much bigger female and atrophying to a simple ball of sacks for insemination as angler fishes are proven to do.
Or to make the point even more direct: the whole concept of laws to give or take ownership is in itself so counter to all other animals behaviour that it is ludicrous to try and argue any part of that is in any kind of way natural. Or by definition of 'humans as animals' would mean any political system we adopt is natural by design.
Took you long enough
No? Private ownership began to dominate society after feudalism. Turtles aren't compelling others to labor for them through capital ownership.
hey cowbee. How's it going?
THIS IS CAPITALISM?
Anything you don't like is capitalism. You can even apply it to your feelings and bodily ailments. "I've been feeling horribly capitalism today after my knee went all capitalism."
this is lowercase
thanks
we are a societal race, that thrives on empathy and community.
social animals, yes.
yes, as I said.
Capitalism as a mode of production is only a few hundred years old. It's essentially a mode of production where private ownership is the principal aspect of the economy, and capital owners control the state. Before capitalism was feudalism, and before feudalism came slave societies, and before those came tribal communalism.
Human nature is incredibly malleable and depends most upon how we produce and distribute, how we live and how our environment shapes us.
how is it different if you substitute economic capital with political capital?
I mean the means of production and distribution.
ok but why is it different if those that control these things accumulated economic capital or if they accumulated political capital?
I don't see what you mean. The means of production and who own them are both political and economic inherently.
Yes, they are. Then you do see.
Two hundred million? They managed to double their kill count since 2000? Impressive, especially considering the lack of invading Nazis to mow down en masse for easy numbers.
It includes the children who are never going to be born because Elon was sad and couldn't get boner with all his female employees
The 100 million figure includes abortions and Nazis killed during World War II, so even that's already horrendously off (not to mention the outright faked numbers).
We're on the same page. I even mentioned the Nazis in my comment!
I'm a big R. J. Rummel guy.
Person in Laos stubs toe
ANOTHER 100 BILLION TRILLION DEAD UNDER COMMUNISM!
No no, thats how this site works.
https://capitalismkills.info/
Sorry
child in the Ivory Coast dies from slavery farming chocolate for foreign consumption
ANOTHER 1 DEAD UNDER CAPITALISM!
See thats better! Instead of blaming the Ivory coast's labor practices blanket blame global capitalism. You're getting it!
As opposed to blanket blaming everything that happens under a socialist nation to reach the absurd metric of 200 million?
Chippy is an idiot. No need to waste time asking them for any substance
That seems pretty agressive bud. I'm over here having fun. I'll have you know I'm actually pretty smart, ... so... there!
Exactly
Hilarious that this source was just used to prove your bullshit and now you're trying to flip it around in your favor. Fucking loser 😂
You think I was using that source in my favor? Or that it proves literally anything? That's fantastic. Also, that last part was hurtful and I demand an apology. I'd also like you to work on understanding context. I believe you can be better if you work at it.
When I'm in a making up large numbers contest and my opponent is an anti-communist.
This is true, and I appreciate it.
TBH, some anti-communists also make up small numbers, to deny genocides.
oh snap it's braininabox! We got a constellation of stars going on in this post.
This figure seems to come from the Black Book of Communism except multiplied by 2.
Yeah, the real ragebait here is that OP can't event get the fake number right SMH 😔
Nah its from Death by Government: Genocide and Mass Murder Since 1900 by R.J. Rummel https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/998056.Death_by_Government
Interesting guy
Doesn't have to have perfect opinions on everything to write a good book. Look at Marx and his views on jews/minorities or Schopenhauer and his views on women.
looks interesting
Covers lots of governments. It's pretty dense but manageable.
Things people post when the U.S. empire crumbles
This is indeed, a shit post. They doubled the figure now!
Thank you, I try to get one going a couple times a month. "Communism bad" is the easiest by a mile.
Ain't most of the communist death nazis ? Are you guys crying out for nazis ?
Communism has never existed. Pretty sure anyone who isn't extremely far left is a nazi anyway. So we need to nail down terminology first.
wb chippy
Bout tree fidy
D:<
But the Soviets won the Space Race [if you don't count landing on the Moon!]
The actual goal was to land on a comet (EU won).
The true goal is to escape the solar system with exploration ships, so we're all losers.
Worth it then I guess
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laika
They killed a dog. Tortured to death.
"tortured" lol try harder
Wait till you hear about Fauci and the beagles.
I will down vote because you have said something that my Lemmy-Cult finds offensive and also say something about how you are capitalist pig monster.
Communism has never been done poorly in control of shit people, it only ever bring joy and happy to all.
Troo
My favorite is when they try to spin any communist leader as a good guy. Stalin in particular.
No such thing as a communist leader.
Edgy Marxists be like "Real communism has never been tried"
No? Marxists generally believe socialism can and does exist, and has existed thus far. The minority of Marxists believe it hasn't.
Nah, just Trots
Tru
Edgy Marxists: *whataboutism intensifies*
but what about those people that go but what about