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startrek.website

Really was hoping for a jury nullification. I don't care if he did it. I don't care who did it. People knowingly making massive profits on misery and cruelty don't deserve peaceful lives.

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Cethinreply
lemmy.zip

Yep. The real injustice is all the people who died due to the CEOs actions, and that he would have faced zero consequences. Why are they not held accountable just because they can stand a little further away from the murders?

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lemmy.today

I said if I made president he'd be pardoned. I'm not messing. I'm thinking of running, and the more I think, the more I want to fix the system for us little guys. I'll probably "Epstein" myself or fall out of a highrise window, but I'm thinking that's a risk I'll have to take.

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If violent terrorists on Jan 6 can be pardoned to then commit more crime, Luigi can be pardoned.

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I’d vote for a rando on the internet over anyone who was on the ballot during the last two elections

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Coupablereply
lemmy.world

Because he killed a monster. Monster hunters are heroes not criminals.

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lemmy.ca

Well I checked the law and there's no exception for monster hunters. It turns out that if you plan and execute a homicide, you're a criminal, even if you kill a monster. WHO KNEW???

The only morally self-consistent way to approach this is as civil disobedience. You gotta take the punishment or you're not an activist, you're just another monster.

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Slavery was and still is legal, so maybe reconsider what point you're making here.

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lemmy.world

What is legal is not always right, and what is right is not always legal - paraphrased from Algernon Sidley, late 1600s.

::: spoiler Full Quote

That which is not just, is not Law; and that which is not Law, ought not to be obeyed.

… the directive power of the law, which is certain, and grounded upon the inherent good and rectitude that is in it, is that alone which has a power over the conscience, whereas the coercive is merely contingent; and the most just powers commanding the most just things, have so often fallen under the violence of the most unjust men, commanding the most execrable villainies, that if they were therefore to be obeyed, the consciences of men must be regulated by the success of a battle or conspiracy, than which nothing can be affirmed more impious and absurd….

If this were so, the governments of the world might be justly called magna latrocinia; and men laying aside all considerations of reason or justice, ought only to follow those who can inflict the greatest punishments, or give the greatest rewards. But since the reception of such opinions would be the extirpation of all that can be called good, we must look for another rule of our obedience, and shall find that to be the law, which being, as I said before, sanctio recta, must be founded upon that eternal principle of reason and truth, from whence the rule of justice which is sacred and pure ought to be deduced, and not from the depraved will of man, which fluctuating according to the different interests, humors and passions that at several times reign in several nations, one day abrogates what had been enacted the other. The sanction therefore that deserves the name of a law, which derives not its excellency from antiquity, or from the dignity of the legislators, but from an intrinsick equity and justice, ought to be made in pursuance of that universal reason to which all nations at all times owe an equal veneration and obedience.

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A few examples for you (aside from the blatantly obvious and well known like slavery)

  • Jim Crow Laws
  • The Bloody Code (1700s England)
  • French salt tax
  • Vagrancy laws (still exist, and are nowhere near right)
  • Anti-LGBTQ laws - some are historic, some are current
  • Magdalene Laundries
  • the Combination Acts
  • Forced Assimilation laws
  • Window Tax
  • Debt Slavery
  • Three Strike laws
  • Civil asset forfeiture
  • Joint Enterprise laws
  • Extended detention without charge
  • Public protest bans
  • Tied visa systems
  • Sub-minimum wage exemptions

The list goes on and on and on. Many of which are still legal today, or have been reworked for the same effect and are in effect today.

Being "legal" or "illegal" is a distinction without merit.

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Unless you expect "murder" to become legal soon I don't feel like this is a very strong argument.

I understand why Luigi did it and the CEO was a piece of shit, but I'm not sure legalizing the execution of these dickheads in the streets is the best answer here. I'd rather see laws outlawing what that CEO did.

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I don't believe I said anything of the sort.

I said legality is a distinction without merit. It is a completely irrelevant element unless you are discussing the morality of a law.

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k0e3reply

I dunno about nerd. They just seem like an idiot.

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He's doing civil disobedience by your definition. Literally pleading guilty. In the hypothetical where he receives a pardon, nothing has changed in that regard.

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lemmy.world

“I shot Mr. Thompson and he died,” Mangione said. “I understood that my actions would place him in fear of death or bodily injury. I knew what I was doing was illegal.”

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United Health is trying to assainate his character to keep the private healthcare grift going.

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piefed.ca

Uh, they don't really need to. Has anything meaningful changed for you over there in the US since that dude got shot?

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1 insurance company out of thousands. Mine denied me a much-needed MRI two weeks after the incident.

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While Trump made healthcare even more expensive.

Absolutely nothing was practically accomplished.

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Universal Healthcare in the Soviet Union was fought for in blood, the white Russians leadership wanted to leave every everyday Russian for dead.

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Other executives from UnitedHealthcare, seated two rows behind the family, struggled to look at Mangione. Several put their hands on their faces, shaking their heads slowly in disbelief.

All we did was condemn millions to pain, suffering and death to maximize shareholder value and pur own bonuses and then a monster like this just comes by and kills us? Unbelievable

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I saw the video and was clearly the same fucker in the photo of the Flock camera vandal.

(shaking fist) Benjamin Netanyahuuuuuu!

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I'm Spartacus Brian the as of yet unidentified guy in the hoodie they're looking for, and so is my wife!

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nullspacereply
lemmy.world

A guilty plea indicates a deal was likely made for a reduced sentence.

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They got state and federal 1st degree murder charges dismissed and likely state 2nd degree murder due to double jeopardy or something so thats a still a big deal but it depends on how sentencing goes

Much respect for his fabulous lawyer Karen Friedman Agnifilo. She did a great job

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He was framed! The only thing he killed was my certainty of my heterosexuality.

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He was shooting hoops with me, not CEOs. That was probably some other hero.

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He said he armed himself with a gun that he manufactured with a 3D printer and affixed with a silencer.

“I shot Mr. Thompson and he died,” Mangione said. “I understood that my actions would place him in fear of death or bodily injury. I knew what I was doing was illegal.”

This is so extremely convenient to the establishment, it raises suspicion.

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