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I have to admit, I kinda expected them to stir up some conspiracy-theorys about someone secretly killing off Republican senators. The AFD would have done that for sure....

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lemmy.world

I really wonder if the "both sides bad" people online have ever had like real human conversations with some of the people materially affected by our national politics. Because when the program you rely on to feed your kids gets cut, or your neighbors start getting disappeared into unmarked vans, or you find yourself paying 30% more for food, gas, and rent than you did 18 months ago, people like that don't tend to say "yeah but what have the dems ever done for me?"

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lemmy.world

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Respectfully, your reply makes no sense. Donald got a second term precisely because the Dems did nothing meaningful about any of this. Hell, the two ruling parties have failed so spectacularly it's made socialists electable.

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kheprireply
lemmy.world

Well yes, if you blame dems for the bad things that happen when they win, and also the bad things that happen when they lose, then your logic is sound but circular.

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Not at all.

When they have power and still rule as conservatives, we hate them for the fact that they lied to us. When they are out of power and fail to oppose anything they said they would, we hate them for being collaborators.

It's two different, but very shitty things.

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lemmy.world

Indeed.

If no one is willing to actually hold people accountable, laws become meaningless. Billionaires were on to something when they captured both ruling parties.

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lemmy.world

Or, rather, vote Green because whether you vote Democrat (not including DemSocs) or Republican, you know from 40 years of empirical data that they have no intention of making things better for you in a material way.

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piefed.social

oh yeah because the last two years are just like the 4 before. more trump. more maga. ugh.

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I understand that.

Joe was at least willing to try and put a kind face on all this, even though he too was corrupt and driving this country into the ground. People who tend to vote centrist place a lot of emphasis on presentation and less on what a politician actually accomplishes.

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lemmy.world

It just infuriates me that our federal politicians only work like four months out of the year.

(After doing nothing about the cost of living crisis.)

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lemmy.world

You have a fundamental misunderstanding of how Congress works.

Time spent in DC is supposed to be the smallest part of their job. Recess isn't vacation for them, if they're doing it right. Recess is when they actually do the job of representation. They're supposed to be spending time in their districts holding town halls, having open office hours, and working with local groups on issues that need to be brought up when they are in session.

They should be spending more time with their constituents than in DC. Spending time with constituents is the most fundamental job function of a representative.

A lot don't do that though, and that's on their idiot constituents for continually voting them in and not holding them accountable.

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I've met my federal representative in person a dozen or so times at her office locally, and been to 6 town halls, both in person and virtual teleconference town halls. My state House rep I have met a ton. He's extremely active in the community.

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lemmy.world

They should be spending more time with their constituents than in DC. Spending time with constituents is the most fundamental job function of a representative.

A whole lot of words there to say: "You're wrong... but maybe also not wrong."

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lemmy.world

You're wrong, but for a different reason.

Being on recess isn't the issue. They should be on recess and working in their districts more often than they are actually in session in DC. They ideally shouldn't be in session that much at all. Their primary role is being at home in their district working with their constituents and that's where the vast majority of work is intended to take place.

Not working while on recess is a completely different issue, and that's up the constituents to enforce via voting. Plenty of representatives and senators are actively working in their districts when on recess, like they should be. Those that aren't should be voted out by their constituents. If the constituents keep voting them in, they're openly saying that's the representation they want. And that's on them.

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sh.itjust.works

Those that aren't should be voted out by their constituents. If the constituents keep voting them in, they're openly saying that's the representation they want.

Seems like it should be a mandatory part of the job. Senators should have scheduled town halls in every district in their state, Representatives should have scheduled town halls in every municipality in their district, every year.

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lemmy.world

It should be, yes. The good ones are already doing this, but there absolutely should be some requirement to make the lazy ones actually do their job.

And, ideally, we'd have an active and informed constituency that keeps their representatives honest. They should be terrified of being voted out because their constituents keep their feet to the fire.

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sh.itjust.works

And, ideally, we'd have an active and informed constituency that keeps their representatives honest.

Ideally, yeah. But the mandatory town hall thing seems a bit easier to actually achieve. Have you met the constituency?

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Lol yeah that's the issue. You cannot expect people to put rules on themselves like that if nobody is going to enforce it. It truly does fall to the constituency to be the enforcement by voting them out when they abdicate their responsibilities.

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lemmy.ca

And get free healthcare they so vehemently deny all US citizens.

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lemmy.world

I don't mind their actual base pay, since by becoming a public official you are automatically hated by at least 40% of the population even if you do a good job.

Those getting that healthcare they deny us, even after they leave their job... that is the real slap in the face.

I got a lot of other complaints as well, but the healthcare for life is something that should be a human right.

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I mean, don't they also get retirement pay forever--something else that they've sought over the years to deny us?

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I looked it up for the specifics.

Short version is they get about 1% of base pay per year served, with a slight bonus once you start to stick around for a long time, like 10 years you get 1.1%, 20 years you get 1.2%.

I'm more concerned with them doing shady stuff back in the private sector where they still have all their political connections with less public scrutiny. I suspect that is the much more lucrative prize.

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lemmy.world

Indeed. If we count the bribes, I mean "lobbyist gifts", they get paid about as well as teachers or cancer researchers or whatever SHOULD be paid.

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Soulphitereply
reddthat.com

Yet, they do more harm than bad teachers and cancer itself. Make it make sense.

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You were probably being rhetorical, but it does make sense, in a way that should provoke revolution. Rich people are paying to make everything worse. The self-serving and shortsighted are happily helping them do it.

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They also rarely ever work 5 days per week. They get paid a full salary though regardless. Not to mention all the lobbying bribe money.

Our system is a sham.

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lemmy.ca

Also, don't they get like free healthcare, paid sick leave and all that other stuff?

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No. They are required by law to buy their own health insurance from the ACA marketplace.

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lemmy.world

And they spend most of the afternoon fundraising and with lobbyists. The clever ones start their reelection campaign immediately after getting elected.

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And it doesn't have to be this way! This behavior of spending most of their time in office campaigning or acquiring funding for reelection instead of, you know, governing only became the norm in the nineties.

(Add yet another "fuck Newt Gingrich" to the tally board.)

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That sounds like you’re advocating for some sort of General Strike. You can’t be suggesting such a thing to US citizens. /s

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