They just throw out the rationalization that Jesus appears to people in their own form or some shit. Nevermind he hasn’t appeared in a few thousand years.
What I find incredibly racist and chauvinistic is that if you look for “what color was Jesus” a large chunk of the returns are “Was Jesus actually (black, brown, some other skin tone than white)?”
These people start from the White Jesus and ask if a man from 2200 years ago living in the Middle East was some other color than white. Nah.
I can’t help but wonder if this was posted by someone who didn’t care about history, and just wanted to compliment a woman they thought was remarkably beautiful.
It's mental that people think Greeks were blonde haired with blue eyes, while Hispanics (and up until recently Italians and the Irish) didn't even qualify as white.
Look, a thousand or so years before that, god had realized that even if he personally impregnated some dark little middle eastern girl without her consent, the best he could hope for was a light skinned son with brown hair. It was so disappointing that he didn't even notice when they tortured the boy to death. Heck, when the little fucker showed up all unexpected at gods front door, god was so surprised that he accidentally drove his soul back into the corpse and reanimated it. What a mess that was! That little brown haired zombie bastard running around scaring the hell out of people... lol.
Anyway, fast forward a thousand years and god had realized that if he wanted to reset the color palette on the human race, he was going to go west a skosh and start with something a little lighter.
That worked out pretty well at first but eventually turned into its own complete mess.
Look the ancient rom- I mean greeks were bronze, that's a totally different color from hispanic. Unfortunately bronze doesn't exist anymore and all the scrolls were written in black and white so we can never verify this.
Yes, but when the ancient Greek describe "blonde" they aren't referring to the same colors we associate blonde with. Alexander the Great's hair was said to be xanthos.... Contemporary depictions of him are with light brown or chestnut colored hair.
The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.
Yes, because a lot of Greek people have some Slavic lineage in their family history and are lighter skinned than ancient Greek would have been.
Yeah, I think a lot of people underestimate how blonde some Scandinavians are. I had that realization when my school went to France, and I realized that almost every single one of my classmates was "blonde" by the French definition, while I had previously thought that only a couple were blonde with the rest being auburn, light brown or chestnut. The "straw" colored hair that gets white in the summer is kinda rare in teens and adults, even among Scandinavians.
Yes I knew a Greek girl with blonde & curly hair. Not bottle blond, she had naturally golden hair even as an adult. Obviously she was not an ancient Greek, but was from Greece.
I guess it would fit better in more of the globalization category? The bulk of the Slavic migration into Greece and Macedonia happened as a result of the effects of the Justinianic plague which caused the Byzantine empire to retract.
Is that AI or real person I'm just confused by why there's two pictures that are obviously taken in the same place but she's wearing different outfits.
First one is like the stupid promo tiktok for the business/for her own tiktok, second one must be an Instagram post or maybe someone met her and went "you're the lady from tiktok!! Can I get a picture?"
Well do remember that the Greeks of today would look almost nothing like the Greeks of the Bronze Age. Numerous migration waves and foreign conquerors have come in those intervening 3,000 years.
Nefrititi lived 3000 years ago and based on her bust wouldn't look out of place in most Mediterranean countries today, there's no reason to think contemporaneous Greeks would look any less Mediterranean.
That's not really true, especially in southern Greece. DNA studies have shown the modern Greek people share around 90% of their ancestry with ancient Minoans and Myceenans. In the South, especially on islands like Crete they're virtually the same. In the North there is some admixture mostly with Slavic and Balkans, and some traces from the Ottoman empire.
Relatively short term occupations or small migrations tend to change an ethnic groups DNA less than you would think. After 4 generations you would end up with the same scenario of seeing the whitest person you have ever seen claiming they're 1/16th Cherokee.
Your picture is a few centuries after the Trojan War and from a different culture.
I think the lesson is that cultures always adapt modern and local standards to cast into their historical tales. Beauty especially can change with time and place. You know all those round-faced women from the days of early film? It's not that women got hotter over the century--those women were hot. Guys from the 1920 would probably think our hot women to be poorly-fed vagrant farm workers.
Another data point: Mar-Al-Lago face. Hideous to us, but extremely attractive to the guillotine class.
That said, the blonde, blue-eyed nordic beauty standard is perhaps the most durable beauty standard we have in the West; it absolutely dominated at least between 1950-2000, so it makes cultural sense to make Helen look like that.
Edit: Another data point this Jewish guy from 30 CE Palestine:
It is more different and regional than pigment oriented. It would be more like my Scottish buddy who fucking HATES glasweigians and couldn't give two fucks about your skin color.
I guess. In the modern world we learn to pick up on the small on average differences between ethnicities that have had families live I uncertain climates for hundreds or thousands of years. But the thibgs white supremacists are projecting onto the past weren't even around until colonial days. Helen could have looked tan, it's probably most likely, but she also could have looked black. We really don't know for sure. You can look up the history of race. It used to just be nationality. race was not even a concept. Maybe you noticed some people had darker skin. Or some regions had people with darker skin on average. But people still migrated in the ancient world.
This is true. People were prejudiced, of course, but the concept of racism specifically, as opposed to ethnic tribalism, is comparatively modern. Don’t forget there were white slaves and black emperors of Rome, etc. Skin color is a modern obsession.
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These are probably the same morons who think Jesus was fair-skinned with blue eyes.
They just throw out the rationalization that Jesus appears to people in their own form or some shit. Nevermind he hasn’t appeared in a few thousand years.
What I find incredibly racist and chauvinistic is that if you look for “what color was Jesus” a large chunk of the returns are “Was Jesus actually (black, brown, some other skin tone than white)?”
These people start from the White Jesus and ask if a man from 2200 years ago living in the Middle East was some other color than white. Nah.
Aryan Jesus would approve.
Helen of Tromsø
I can’t help but wonder if this was posted by someone who didn’t care about history, and just wanted to compliment a woman they thought was remarkably beautiful.
Doesn't seem that way
https://xcancel.com/ArtisanAles1/status/2078954828844146971#m
Oh well. I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, which means I’m wrong A LOT. Thanks for adding context!
That looks like AI anyway. Look how her shirt in the right pic falls weird.
I don't think she is. I've been seeing her skits for a while. There's just lots of artifacts on that screenshot
Here: https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7221288622887324974
I had to go to TikTok for this. I hope it's appreciated lol
Yeah but now I have to go to TikTok.
Or the fact that, while in the exact same lpcation, even on the same chair, she is wearing an entirely different outift, top and bottom
Pretty sure she just works there. Looks like she's the hostess
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7221288622887324974
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7215731084120624427
Hmmm, still not convinced. Especially on that second one. These seem very set up, unless they have time to do skits while working for that drive up.
Three years ago (check the date on the tiktok post) video models were terrible. There is no way.
Because shops are always full throttle from opening till closing.
Hair clip is fucked too.
Whoa, that's hilarious. She's starting a new fashion trend by half hair-clipping your overalls.
In fairness, thats a good way to store a hair clip you’ve taken out if you don't have a bag or something to stash it in. I have definitely done that.
I've seen that being done since the 90's at least. Pretty common among the hair clip wearing crowd
Or maybe they're not commenting on her appearance at all and saying she owns a marina with 1,000 ships.
Also possible lol
It's mental that people think Greeks were blonde haired with blue eyes, while Hispanics (and up until recently Italians and the Irish) didn't even qualify as white.
Look, a thousand or so years before that, god had realized that even if he personally impregnated some dark little middle eastern girl without her consent, the best he could hope for was a light skinned son with brown hair. It was so disappointing that he didn't even notice when they tortured the boy to death. Heck, when the little fucker showed up all unexpected at gods front door, god was so surprised that he accidentally drove his soul back into the corpse and reanimated it. What a mess that was! That little brown haired zombie bastard running around scaring the hell out of people... lol.
Anyway, fast forward a thousand years and god had realized that if he wanted to reset the color palette on the human race, he was going to go west a skosh and start with something a little lighter. That worked out pretty well at first but eventually turned into its own complete mess.
Look the ancient rom- I mean greeks were bronze, that's a totally different color from hispanic. Unfortunately bronze doesn't exist anymore and all the scrolls were written in black and white so we can never verify this.
They'd be mad if a movie about Shaka and the Zulus had any black actors in it.
"Why would you make a movie about black people? That's racist." - MAGA
They wouldn't watch it
Some greeks supposedly were blond. They used the term xanthos, a term meaning golden, yellow, or light brown/auburn hair.
The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.
Yes, but when the ancient Greek describe "blonde" they aren't referring to the same colors we associate blonde with. Alexander the Great's hair was said to be xanthos.... Contemporary depictions of him are with light brown or chestnut colored hair.
Yes, because a lot of Greek people have some Slavic lineage in their family history and are lighter skinned than ancient Greek would have been.
Yeah, I think a lot of people underestimate how blonde some Scandinavians are. I had that realization when my school went to France, and I realized that almost every single one of my classmates was "blonde" by the French definition, while I had previously thought that only a couple were blonde with the rest being auburn, light brown or chestnut. The "straw" colored hair that gets white in the summer is kinda rare in teens and adults, even among Scandinavians.
Oh, i had this as a kid. Now it's dark blonde.
Yes I knew a Greek girl with blonde & curly hair. Not bottle blond, she had naturally golden hair even as an adult. Obviously she was not an ancient Greek, but was from Greece.
Can we blame that on Varangians specifically, or is it a more modern globalization thing?
I guess it would fit better in more of the globalization category? The bulk of the Slavic migration into Greece and Macedonia happened as a result of the effects of the Justinianic plague which caused the Byzantine empire to retract.
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Is that AI or real person I'm just confused by why there's two pictures that are obviously taken in the same place but she's wearing different outfits.
It's a real person on two different days.
Why they chose two pictures? No fucking idea.
First one is like the stupid promo tiktok for the business/for her own tiktok, second one must be an Instagram post or maybe someone met her and went "you're the lady from tiktok!! Can I get a picture?"
I think it's just two photos of some random girl at the place she works.
Too weak to be Scandinavian, just look at those minuscule shoulders.
Looks Swedish to me.
Heah? Yeah
Hair? Yeah
Body: mmm nah
Do you know where the Valkyries come from?
It goes from this:
to this:
https://www.npr.org/2022/07/12/1109995973/we-know-greek-statues-werent-white-now-you-can-see-them-in-color
If the girl looks like DLSS5, she's prompted y'all.
Bet they believe they spoke English with a British stage accent.
Well do remember that the Greeks of today would look almost nothing like the Greeks of the Bronze Age. Numerous migration waves and foreign conquerors have come in those intervening 3,000 years.
Nefrititi lived 3000 years ago and based on her bust wouldn't look out of place in most Mediterranean countries today, there's no reason to think contemporaneous Greeks would look any less Mediterranean.
That's not really true, especially in southern Greece. DNA studies have shown the modern Greek people share around 90% of their ancestry with ancient Minoans and Myceenans. In the South, especially on islands like Crete they're virtually the same. In the North there is some admixture mostly with Slavic and Balkans, and some traces from the Ottoman empire.
Relatively short term occupations or small migrations tend to change an ethnic groups DNA less than you would think. After 4 generations you would end up with the same scenario of seeing the whitest person you have ever seen claiming they're 1/16th Cherokee.
Helen of Troy, PA
Just say that you'd march to troy for her. Its fine
Racists are gonna racist
A depictionnof Helen of troy from Pompeii, looks as white as me, a Chilean.
Your picture is a few centuries after the Trojan War and from a different culture.
I think the lesson is that cultures always adapt modern and local standards to cast into their historical tales. Beauty especially can change with time and place. You know all those round-faced women from the days of early film? It's not that women got hotter over the century--those women were hot. Guys from the 1920 would probably think our hot women to be poorly-fed vagrant farm workers.
Another data point: Mar-Al-Lago face. Hideous to us, but extremely attractive to the guillotine class.
That said, the blonde, blue-eyed nordic beauty standard is perhaps the most durable beauty standard we have in the West; it absolutely dominated at least between 1950-2000, so it makes cultural sense to make Helen look like that.
Edit: Another data point this Jewish guy from 30 CE Palestine:
Late 4th century (very Jewish looking cuz you know, he was Jewish)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depiction_of_Jesus
Seems like a person who could be from troy (aka wilusa, in modern turkey) to me 🤷♂️
Trojans according to historians were probably closer related to Hittites than to Greeks. Meaning dark-brown to black hair and tanned skin.
Helen of Troy, famously wasn't from Troy though.
A very long and famous story was written about this.
Yeah I forgot she was from Sparta. Mediterranian appearance then.
It's from this new movie right?
I mean, it isn't unusual. Alexander the great was apparently blonde or light brown with fair skin
D...do they think that's what a Woman from Post Bronze age collapse Sparta would look like?
Her hair isn't straight it has a wave to it.
Source for the screenshots.
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7221288622887324974
https://www.tiktok.com/@jennarenee.s/video/7215731084120624427
She's not Greek, she's from New York. Seems she went slightly viral in 2023. Personally haven't heard of her before.
Smellin of Troy
She could play Kriemhild / Guðrún.
Norwegian/Turk - same/same?
They're comparing the general beauty level, not the coloring. I see no problem with that.
With the right makeup you could make it work.
It could just be that RusticLagers is saying the the woman is beautiful enough that countries could go to war over her.
Tojan men always going for the blonde shiksa..
Race wasn't even a concept back then, and people weren't segregated based on looks.
It is more different and regional than pigment oriented. It would be more like my Scottish buddy who fucking HATES glasweigians and couldn't give two fucks about your skin color.
I guess. In the modern world we learn to pick up on the small on average differences between ethnicities that have had families live I uncertain climates for hundreds or thousands of years. But the thibgs white supremacists are projecting onto the past weren't even around until colonial days. Helen could have looked tan, it's probably most likely, but she also could have looked black. We really don't know for sure. You can look up the history of race. It used to just be nationality. race was not even a concept. Maybe you noticed some people had darker skin. Or some regions had people with darker skin on average. But people still migrated in the ancient world.
Racism is nothing more than tribalism, but in a bigger "tribe".
The mentality has existed since we were apes living in caves, and that is where it should stay.
It does not belong in a civilized society.
This is true. People were prejudiced, of course, but the concept of racism specifically, as opposed to ethnic tribalism, is comparatively modern. Don’t forget there were white slaves and black emperors of Rome, etc. Skin color is a modern obsession.
Black emperors? I don't think so.
Really? People have always put other people in ‘boxes’. Even apes do it.