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About? Imagine my surprise when I logged into my WM portal to see if they picked up, and boom, full HD video of them dumping my trash into their truck, my property in full view.

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be nice if someone sued kws for the same shit. there is no real reason they need your name, address,ph no, and ss# just to watch risque videos or play mature-rated games online

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lemmy.world

Of all places, the fucked up red run Florida Oblast. I thought the MAGA nutters were all about "freedom."

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feddit.it

The problem with these, and all, automated systems that detect EVERYTHING is that current code enforcement hardly detects 0.1% of existing violations, by design. That's how they roll. They only kick into action when somebody complains.

Think of speeding tickets - how easy would it be for our roadside ALPR systems to time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you're over the posted speed limit? Not hard at all, but that's not how speeding tickets roll in this country (and most others, too.) If they really wanted total enforcement, your car already knows when you're speeding, it can already wirelessly tattle on you to roadside monitors, they could effect 100% citation coverage if they wanted to, but whoever tries that is comitting political suicide.

One of the reasons HOAs are such groaners is that the types of people who run for HOA president occasionally (not always) go in for this "100% enforcement" mentality and due to the utter apathy of HOA residents who can't be bothered to depose their despot, they can persist in that mode for years. Last HOA I lived in had fearless leaders who "lived in the back" and hired an outside company to write upkeep violations, but only on houses in the front of the neighborhood.

When I lived in a big city with a code enforcement department instead of an HOA system, things went along for decades without much flap, the occasional citation on the really persistently bad violators - as things are expected to work, but then some new neighbors moved in and attended the city-neighborhood meeting and started chanting "just enforce the law, JUST ENFORCE THE LAW" and, so, code inspectors were sent to walk the neighborhood by foot and write every violation they could see from the street. Our 400 houses got more violations written up in one day than the entire city of 40,000 homes received in the prior year.

So, these systems that "observe 13,000 violations in a single week" need to chill out, turn the filters way way up and figure out what the 13 most important violations in the city are each MONTH and work with those property owners to get them fixed. Use the photo-scans to pre-screen citizen complaints, ensure that there's even a problem worth sending an inspector for when the neighbor says "there's been a junky car here up on blocks for the past 2 years and somebody needs to do something about it" the records can show whether that's true, or a gross exaggeration before prioritizing which citizen calls get seen this week and which need to chill out and "wait their turn."

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It is like work monitoring that can monitor every keystroke and trip to the bathroom. If you expect people to be 100% rule abiding, perfect and predictable I've got news for you. The people putting these systems into place would never stand for them being applied to them.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

On the one hand, yes, fully enforcing these things would be gross overpolicing.

On the other hand, the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.

The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.

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the selective enforcement is, by design, a way to manufacture an excuse to harass and persecute minorities/undesirables.

Absolutely, and this is another thing that's going to prevent "fair" algorithmic enforcement from happening.

The correct solution is to relax or abolish the laws themselves until they diminish to the point that fully enforcing them is reasonable.

I have always thought this, but I don't get my jollies out of selectively "sticking it to" people different than me for the same things I get away with all the time. Apparently, a lot of our government, police, and voters do...

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kungenreply
feddit.nu

time your transit from point A to point B, calculate your minimum average speed to make the trip in that time, and mail you a citation when you're over the posted speed limit?

Norway does this.

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MangoCatsreply
feddit.it

Norway does a lot of sensible things that seem impossible in the USA.

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You’re not suggesting the automated mailing of speeding tickets based on average speed is reasonable, are you?

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I'm Norwegian. Read in the news that there was a guy who used to set a timer and count the seconds when driving through a tunnel with average speed cameras so he wouldn't get fined.

Just keep the speed limit, you'd get there at the same time. Sometimes i wonder how these people even survive.

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If it's clearly posted, that's fine - and appropriate in certain mountain pass situations.

If it's a surprise when the fine arrives in the mail, that's pure unadulterated evil.

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The idea of putting Cameras on City Vehicles and using AI to find problems, including Code Enforcement issues, is a good one IMO. The problem, as the article notes, is what that data is going to be used for in the future. We used to call this a Slippery Slope argument but the past 10 years have proven that if data is harvested that it will eventually be misused; it's some kind of parallel to Godwin's Law that I am going to coin as "Flock's Law".

In this specific instance Flock's Law tells us that the authorities will inevitably start scanning the photos / videos for people in order to track movements, the Police will be in the database stalking people, and you'll start getting tickets for over-filling your trash can.

Meanwhile all people really want, and what won't happen, is someone to come by to get that absolutely jungle of a lawn mowed, fix a broken sidewalk, replace a missing street sign, or move the damn boat / camper / trailer / junk car that has been parked in the street for the last year.

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The only way to stop or reverse this is to get conservative capitalists out of our government.

I mean aside from literal bloody revolution, which some people say is the only way. And, as much as this may be true, it will take a lot more than what has been happening so far to incite that sort of action, so the next actionable step is to vote for and support socialists to push back against the filthy rich and their corrupt cronies that infest our government at every level.

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The only way to stop or reverse this is to get conservative capitalists out of our government.

So basically everyone including the Democratic Socialist Mayor of Seattle.

...so the next actionable step is to vote for and support socialists...

On the east Coast the formerly fiery Mamdani has gone silent on this issue since becoming Mayor.

I can find examples of this kind of thing from all over the United States. I'm using Mayors Wilson and Mamdani because they directly refute the idea that "Socialists" will stop this. They clearly will not.

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So that they can get pictures of license plates tied to addresses to sell to repo companies so that the tow truck can come get your Hellcat.

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dubvee.org

Obviously the reader should confirm this for their own jurisdiction but there is no law against either removing or covering up your car's plate(s) as long as you're parked on your own private property. Just gotta remember to uncover them before you head out because that is illegal.

Car covers are also an alternative if you're a renter assuming you aren't required to have a parking pass or plates visible for parking enforcement.

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there is no law against either removing or covering up your car’s plate(s) as long as you’re parked on your own private property.

Not inherently true- most places ban having "unregistered" vehicles on residential areas, and if they can't see a plate when they're looking to cause problems, they're going to claim it's unregistered and make it your problem.

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ThePantserreply
sh.itjust.works

Anyone wanna build smart licence plate covers? Like it either rolls up or flips up to hide the plate.

Maybe actually have it just flip down your plate when parked to obscure it. I would say power tinting to obscure it but technically its illegal to cover it most places.

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"Smart" in this context wasn't as much of a thing back then, but The Transporter had a similar option.

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ThePantserreply
sh.itjust.works

Interesting but I just meant flipping down not completely making it look like no plate. I would say tie it to the ignition/power button so when off it flips down or up depending on what is less obvious. Like some cars have a bump above the plate that would be less obvious going up meanwhile trucks have ledges or tow hitch that would make it less obvious flipping down.

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It's better a manual one, if a police officer stop you and they make you turn off the engine, you are now in trouble

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[Flock] run what it calls convoy analysis to flag vehicles that keep turning up near each other.

There's an interesting article written back when it was revealed that the post office was recording the envelopes of every piece of mail it handles and what kind of data they could extrapolate from it. [If you've mailed a letter at the counter in the past few years, you'll know that they bug you if you haven't put a return address on the envelope.] Anyway, it's called "Finding Paul Revere" and I found it an interesting read.

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sh.itjust.works

Welfare slob huh? Stop relying on my tax dollars and get your own damn garbage truck already!

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You don't have to pay for trash collection service in your city?

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My car doesn’t even shift for me and has no cameras or cellular radios, nor any software that can make internet connections.

If she’s spying on me she’s being quite clever about it.

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lemmy.zip

Mine doesn't. Specifically downgraded big time to a nearly dumb car (AA is the only modern feature and this I can control)

I hope for the future those dumb things will still be built or else I'd have a problem...

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Dyskolosreply
lemmy.zip

Android auto, sorry. I also hate forced onboard navigation that either gets stale or where you have to pay for updates. At least after warranty ends in my case.

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danreply
upvote.au

or where you have to pay for updates

Some people prefer paying with money over paying with personal data.

Having said that, these days the paid solutions also collect your data ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Dyskolosreply
lemmy.zip

Exactly...that's why my only viable solution is the AA one. Phone on VPN with a dummy account. Automatically switched to airplane when car off and to my phone's hotspot when car is on. Google has no usable data here. Not perfect, yes.

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danreply
upvote.au

If you're going to all that effort, why not just use something that's powered by OpenStreetMap like OsmAnd?

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Dyskolosreply
lemmy.zip

Really tried. They just totally suck for us. Sygic isn't great either but way more helpful (with lane-assist or speedcam warnings and such). And the yearly sub costs a tiny fraction of what Bentley would want for a post-warranty service with nav-update 😁

Sadly found no better alternative so far, especially because I effing hate google and have it removed 99,9%.

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No it does not. The AA phone is a dedicated one without SIM and a dummy google account. Whatever they track is not only useless, it couldn't even leave the phone.

And the car itself has no uplink or anything that would need one. The best the onboard system can do is show the time and play radio. Without the phone the car is dumb as a wet rock.

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Interesting, bylaw stuff like this is usually complaint based, active enforcement just creates hostility with the city.

Of course if you’re a common nuisance maybe you should be actively enforced, but it’s not just about having enough staff. There’s a balance between relations as well.

And also, maybe the city should maintain their crap before actively targeting enforcement too….

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Not where I live. Few people even have smartphones and there's no garbage trucks.

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