It's not just navigating the pwd mgr; it's also all the 2FA. Or do you integrate the two? If so, why? The whole point of 2FA is to be separate from one's passwords for greater security.
It's integrated for convenience and suits my threat model. 2FA for the password manager is separate though. Isn't the whole point of 2FA to secure your account even if an attacker get their hands on your login info? Keeping it separate is just another layer of protection, no?
"Just?" What do you mean, "just?" That's entirely why we use non-browser pwd mgrs in the first place (and hopefully not Bitwarden with its incoming capitalist takeover from the CEO change), or else why bother, right?
Just add exceptions for the sites you login to. You already have a user account on their site, deleting cookies at the end of each session won't do much for these sites anyway.
I do. A self-hosted password manager makes it only a second or two inconvenience for most sites. The worst ones are the ones that send you a code for 2FA, but still, with those it's a 10-15 second inconvenience. One thing I've learned in my quest for proper digital privacy is that I had to give up my obsession of convenience. I used to be the guy that lost my mind when my internet was even a tiny bit slow, but I've had to get comfortable with not getting what I want immediately. I genuinely think it's made me a better person in other areas as well, but that could just be cope lol
i use temporary auto-applied containers (via the Temporary Containers Plus extension) to auto-erase data of sites that i dont manually put in a permanent container
random junk goes in private windows. but stuff i might want a history of (research or work related, for instance) to go back later for, stays on the normal window and history.
When a boomer shows you a cringe thirst trap on their tiktok feed and is like “who wants to see this?” You don’t know how algorithms work do yah uncle Scott lol
Yeah... my youtube throws them into the shorts every now and then. It's just fucking annoying. You're youtube, they're not even going to show anything anyway stick to the shit I actually click on.
A better way to use Youtube is to turn off watch history, and use Subscriptions as your homepage. Youtube taught me this a while back when they turned off my watch history and then insisted I signed into it to use it.
Better than that is Freetube with an extension that opens browser links in Freetube.
Even the algorithm shows new stuff sometimes just to see if it sticks. I get makeup and hair videos occasionally even though I'm male in late 30s that never showed any interest in such things.
Under what circumstances? That's a genuine question. I can't think of a single time in my life I've ever handed someone my phone's internet browser to look up something
It only takes a few taps to go from a meme, video, or picture you're showing someone to the browser.
Didn't have smart phones when I went to college, but I had some friends who prided themselves on how fast they could get to browser history on an "unattended" laptop, as in, I turned around to talk to someone else for ~60 seconds.
Of course, it can do everything Firefox can do if you play around with the settings. I don't think it's a good idea to deviate much from stock though. I use Firedragon now. It's sort of an in-between.
Or -- get this! -- you can use a private tab/window for the really bad stuff, so it won't get saved in your browser history. Then you can still have a browser history full of benign things, rather than an empty one.
Also very useful: Firefox has a feature of [Menu --> History --> Clear Recent History...] -- that allows you to delete any trace of sites you've visited within a given timeframe, with choices of 1 hour, 2 hours, 4 hours, or all day. If it's something older than that, you can also browse through your history and manually delete anything objectionable.
I've pondered this a bit. If we lock down akin to china, we'll have to start using plausible deniability. Our encoding will need to be in safe and clear looking datasets, which localLLM probably could push out
Yeah wtf is this bullshit? You either find "minions but purple plus miniature vore butthole no laughing sex avocado and pineapple insertion" vs ...nothing.
My browser history (the local one) is for my eyes only... so clearing it would only mean I have to go again about finding a page that I might've forgotten to bookmark.
Back in the late '90s I used to clear it and then visit a bunch of BS safe sites really quickly just to fill over here some garbage so my mom wouldn't see
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Mine just wipes every time I close the browser
Same, I don't really do "browser history"
Do you also wipe cookies, leading to needing to relogin every time you visit a site
Yes
That's very annoying
Meh, not really. It only takes a few extra seconds and keytaps to logon with a password manager.
Accidentally closing the browser when not done however, that's annoying
It's not just navigating the pwd mgr; it's also all the 2FA. Or do you integrate the two? If so, why? The whole point of 2FA is to be separate from one's passwords for greater security.
It's integrated for convenience and suits my threat model. 2FA for the password manager is separate though. Isn't the whole point of 2FA to secure your account even if an attacker get their hands on your login info? Keeping it separate is just another layer of protection, no?
"Just?" What do you mean, "just?" That's entirely why we use non-browser pwd mgrs in the first place (and hopefully not Bitwarden with its incoming capitalist takeover from the CEO change), or else why bother, right?
I have the same, but I have a hardware key.
Log in with the password manager and then tap my key.
I have a password database that is secure and offline.
Why the hell would I want my browser to store my passwords/session data?
Do you get autofill?
Hell no.
Copy, paste. Done.
aint there stuff that can read your clipboard?
it's a couple clicks on Proton Pass. takes 6 seconds.
minor inconveniences are the cost of privacy and security.
Just add exceptions for the sites you login to. You already have a user account on their site, deleting cookies at the end of each session won't do much for these sites anyway.
Is cross domain tracking resolved?
I do. A self-hosted password manager makes it only a second or two inconvenience for most sites. The worst ones are the ones that send you a code for 2FA, but still, with those it's a 10-15 second inconvenience. One thing I've learned in my quest for proper digital privacy is that I had to give up my obsession of convenience. I used to be the guy that lost my mind when my internet was even a tiny bit slow, but I've had to get comfortable with not getting what I want immediately. I genuinely think it's made me a better person in other areas as well, but that could just be cope lol
You can add exceptions, but yes
i use temporary auto-applied containers (via the Temporary Containers Plus extension) to auto-erase data of sites that i dont manually put in a permanent container
Or maybe you could just stay out of stuff that's none of your damn business.
Just use private tabs?
Browser history can be so useful (for looking up visited pages), and I dunno, archiving stuff just has an appeal of its own!
random junk goes in private windows. but stuff i might want a history of (research or work related, for instance) to go back later for, stays on the normal window and history.
My problem is that I rarely ever know if the "random junk" that I look up may be useful to return to later.
and that's where my 1000s of bookmarks came from.
When a boomer shows you a cringe thirst trap on their tiktok feed and is like “who wants to see this?” You don’t know how algorithms work do yah uncle Scott lol
Well, at the very start the feed isn't empty too , so your uncle maybe not at fault
Yeah... my youtube throws them into the shorts every now and then. It's just fucking annoying. You're youtube, they're not even going to show anything anyway stick to the shit I actually click on.
A better way to use Youtube is to turn off watch history, and use Subscriptions as your homepage. Youtube taught me this a while back when they turned off my watch history and then insisted I signed into it to use it.
Better than that is Freetube with an extension that opens browser links in Freetube.
or just use invidious
i use a browser extension (Redirector) to regex search and replace youtube urls with inv.nadeko.net
::: spoiler my setup if anyone wants it
extension: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-GB/firefox/addon/namless-redirector/
patterns to copypaste:
^(?:http|https)://(?:www.|m.)?youtu(?:.be|be.com)/(.+)https://inv.nadeko.net/%7B%7B1%7D%7D:::Nah, I'm not creating an account on there. I just wipe my browser when shit starts getting bad.
Even the algorithm shows new stuff sometimes just to see if it sticks. I get makeup and hair videos occasionally even though I'm male in late 30s that never showed any interest in such things.
I don't remember the last time I had search/browsing history enabled.
Seriously. Only let 1 of 6 browsers I use keep any history.
Your browsing history and cookies are a security risk.
Incognito mode ftw
I have straight up not used incognito since I was maybe 13 years old. Are yall really just handing off your devices to other people?
yes
Under what circumstances? That's a genuine question. I can't think of a single time in my life I've ever handed someone my phone's internet browser to look up something
They usually just send a link that looks like https://www.example.com/reels/funny_meme_compilation_42069?si=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%3D
It only takes a few taps to go from a meme, video, or picture you're showing someone to the browser.
Didn't have smart phones when I went to college, but I had some friends who prided themselves on how fast they could get to browser history on an "unattended" laptop, as in, I turned around to talk to someone else for ~60 seconds.
Probably have to identify at least a hundred crosswalks too.
i use it a lot, my parents are religious and thus i gotta stay safe when looking at anything remotely queer-supportive
Do you all use the same user account?
no, but my mum will demand i let her look through my phone
Wow, that sucks. Hope you're out of there soon.
I use it regularly for "this isn't something I'm going to be looking at/for again" type searches
I mostly use incognito mode for google image search so that they can't place a cookies on me
Just clear the relevant domain out of the history.
Not empty. Yet gone.
Unless you use Librewolf
Librewolf can be trained to remember some pages if you want them to.
Of course, it can do everything Firefox can do if you play around with the settings. I don't think it's a good idea to deviate much from stock though. I use Firedragon now. It's sort of an in-between.
firedragon is an epic name. I might check it out just because of that
Basically, only delete your browser history if the reality is worse than what people will imagine.
If reality is worse than what people could imagine, you need to unplug.
Or -- get this! -- you can use a private tab/window for the really bad stuff, so it won't get saved in your browser history. Then you can still have a browser history full of benign things, rather than an empty one.
Also very useful: Firefox has a feature of [Menu --> History --> Clear Recent History...] -- that allows you to delete any trace of sites you've visited within a given timeframe, with choices of 1 hour, 2 hours, 4 hours, or all day. If it's something older than that, you can also browse through your history and manually delete anything objectionable.
My browsing history would probably be more boring than what people would imagine. But it's my browser history, eyes off!
Yeah, my browser history is significantly more tame than my bookshelf these days
aka "If you're innocent, you got nothing to hide"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nothing_to_hide_argument
One will get you fired, the other makes it just that bit harder to prove.
I've thought about this. I think the next anonymity products will be LLM agents designed to obfuscate.
I've pondered this a bit. If we lock down akin to china, we'll have to start using plausible deniability. Our encoding will need to be in safe and clear looking datasets, which localLLM probably could push out
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Yeah wtf is this bullshit? You either find "minions but purple plus miniature vore butthole no laughing sex avocado and pineapple insertion" vs ...nothing.
I came in to make a joke like, "Nothing is a vast improvement over my history," but this was so much more colorful
Comedy's in the details 👈👈 😁 (how do I do finger guns on this thing?)
I tried to teach my grandpa's crabs how to read but he smacked me and told me to stop talking to his pubes
I periodically clear my history and rare go online without a vpn.
My browser history (the local one) is for my eyes only... so clearing it would only mean I have to go again about finding a page that I might've forgotten to bookmark.
Back in the late '90s I used to clear it and then visit a bunch of BS safe sites really quickly just to fill over here some garbage so my mom wouldn't see
Yeah i got burned by recently opened files back when we used to still download and save porn
Incidentally that's how I discovered porn. Older brother forgot it and I thought hey, new movie
That got me too. Always cleaned it after.
Unless it's always empty forever and always.
Its hints to more, with notes of shame