He's one of the smartest youtubers I routinely watch. And yeah, crazy high testosterone, although you might never guess. I generally would assume someone with that much testosterone would have some facial hair.
im guessing he also has some degree of androgen insensitivity. having crazy high testosterone youd expect large muscles, lots of facial hair, male pattern baldness, a low voice, but hes not that big, has at least thin facial hair that he shaves, a full head of hair, and a relatively high voice. idk if any version of androgen insensitivity is associated with very high testosterone levels but i wouldn't be surprised.
Yes! Free oestrogen is not actually a particularly good thing if you’re not on antiandrogens and pointless if you are. E-maxxing is sadly money down the drain.
Might not have the hair for too long. Though you might. Depends on the tolerance for testosterone. Just know that high testosterone and baldness are highly correlated
You could also have a high tolerance for DHT, which is the metabolite of testosterone associated with hair loss.
In general though I think a lot of people focus very hard on the specific hormones, and typically they'll do what they say on the tin in standard doses. But there are a lot of edge cases. Higher or lower sensitivities, general proclivities, etc.
Before transitioning most people would've suspected I had very high T. I had a deep voice at a young age, built muscle fast, full beard as a teenager, the whole shebang minus baldness (but I transitioned young so that could just be time). But nope, my levels were average. I also responded fairly strongly to estrogen.
What's far more important than your numbers is if you're getting healthy and acceptable effects from your hormone levels. There's no need to mess with your levels unless there's need to mess with your levels.
Iirc, keeping or losing your hair as a guy has to do with DHT receptors in your hair follicles. T doesn't make your hair fall out, but DHT does, and your body produces more DHT as you get older (hence why finastride works as a hair loss inhibitor - it blocks DHT from the receptors in your hair). But only the hair on the top of your head is sensitive to this, with sensitivity higher in some places than others. Hence, some guys bald on the crown first, while some have a receding hairline first, and some never bald at all.
He has a very uncommon medical condition that he shared with his viewer base a while ago, largely because it had a serious impact on how often he was putting out videos for a while until he got it diagnosed
That's not how testosterone works. It's not fuel, it's just a signal. Everyone's neutral baseline is calibrated differently depending on developmental events mainly in the womb. It's not about how much absolute testosterone you have in a snapshot, it's about how much higher or lower you are than your own personal baseline. Your body will tend to maintain near your baseline, which might be much higher or lower than someone else's baseline, while "meaning" the same thing.
IIRC that’s why most labs require multiple samples but IANAMD.
Transient elevation is possible without long term aberrant effects, though the result will have to be explained to future doctors and insurance underwriters who will want to know if it was due to poorly-managed / self-administered HRT or an unchecked gonadal growth. If neither of those things, and no other symptoms present, it’s treated as normal.
He's posted very little on it. Last we heard they didn't find any cancers or anything and he wasn't really suffering from it. He had some strange symptoms and it it just came up in tests that didn't like up with what he was there for. But it was really really high.
one user says Luigi accomplished nothing, the other says Luigi got America talking and won a symbolic victory. both users throw personal insults at each other. this goes on for about 15 comments. sounds like you both wisely have them blocked
Thanks for the summary, I confirm I didn't see a thing, maybe my instance defederated from them (this is the speculation of someone who doesn't actually know how the fediverse actually works, so use a handful of salt)
Damn, poor little baby sure is jealous that Luigi got the entire US talking about the evils of private health insurance for weeks if not months and took down a mass-murderer.
Yeah totes wish I was getting locked up and watching the company I hated was hiring a new profit-focused CEO to continue its rollout of AI-powered claim review denying claims in record high amounts.
Hey, man, Luigi was fighting for you too; maybe with proper dental care, for example, you could finally have those boot polish stains removed from your teeth.
I dunno, that one CEO surely didn't think Mangione's alleged rage was very impotent, and all the other CEOs that got scared didn't think so, either. Unfortunately the American people let Luigi down, though
I sorta hear where you're coming from but I think for most people, someone getting out there and shooting someone is a million times more ballsy and proactive than we'll ever be. Agreed that it was misguided/naive though. I think it's hard to know what will actually bring about the much needed change.
No, actually, I can't think of any successful revolutions that have? Generally, the death or incarceration of a figurehead harms the movement dramatically.
That's not hard. Nelson Mandela, Václav Havel, José Mujica, Kim Dae-jung. I lived in Czechia under Havel and it was certainly the greatest moment in history I will ever experience. It still gives me hope for humanity.
Nelson Mandela died in 2013, though he is a good choice for being imprisoned for 27 years it is difficult to say that it in any way helped his cause since Apartheid lasted from the 1940s to 1994. He got a lot more done after being released in 1990 I tell you that much. It also didn't hurt to have people like POTUS Bill Clinton on his side.
Havel was cool but being the first and final president of Czechoslovakia isn't all that "revolutionary ".
Jose Mujica again a revolutionary in his youth and a normal politician in his later years.
Kim Dae-Jung...
Do you dudes have no idea what a successful revolution is? Because it isn't slow legislative reform. That's kind of the crux of the issue, all of these men had the sense to do what Luigi did not: pursue peaceful political reform and increase civillian engagement in democratic politics.
MLK, Nelson Mandela, Helen of Troy, the American revolution, the IRA, the entire history of Europe, the suffragettes, stonewall, Rosa parks, countless hunger strikers in prison, conscientious objectors throughout recorded history, Malcolm x, anyone persecuted under Jim crow, Rosa Luxembourg, Nadia Rumad. Off the top of my head.
You really asked if there are people from successful political movements who have been killed, had people make an attempt on their life, or were put in prison.
MLK Jr died in 1968, long after the civil rights act was signed into law.
George Washington did not die in the Revolution, idk where you heard that.
Helena as in the daughter of Zues? Okay pal.
The "suffragettes" generally refers to the WSPU which failed and disbanded in 1914 several years before some few women were allowed to vote in 1918 due to the efforts of different groups and more broadly in 1928.
How the fuck do you claim the entire IRA died but also accomplished a successful revolution?
The entirety of Europe? You think the entirety of Europe is currently dead?!
If you believe it is organic you can find over 115 of them right up there. Luigi Cultists, who reject the reality of his impact and substitute their own.
Though, given how hard it is to get that much engagement on a post much less a comment, it most certainly is not organic.
Okay sooo... what does your OP have to do with Senator Bernie Sanders again? It's not like it's impossible to support multiple paths of action, that's pretty par for the course in political movements. You shitting on one for not having immediate success just strikes as hypocritical and, ironically, not useful to the movement.
But those bots, oof yeah. big-luigi at it again siccing dozens of phoney Lemmy downvotes on poor, uh, you. If it wasn't for them then I and everyone else would probably agree with you.
If you become a Luigi Mangione you can never become a Bernie Sanders. Mutual exclusivity. Even if you become a political icon it will always be clear that you prefer the path of violence over all other action.
He was actually originally grey. That was a thing for a lot of Marvel characters in their early years; they kept wanting to do a grey character but they kept needing to change it. Happened to the Hulk, Iron Man and Beast.
It wasn't so much that they wanted a gray character; early printing just didn't do color all that well and a lot of characters started out gray because of printing errors.
This is a whole thing about clones and engineering a new body and mind transfers, the tldr is this is evil beast and he's made himself a new body with white fur for some reason
Oh okay. I missed that dark beast got a new body. I'm assuming dark beast (evil beast) is the same one from the AoA timeline.
I think I remember reading about Krakoa and Beast goes a little bit too evil with X-Force. Someone brings a beast from the past to talk sense into Krakoa beast. I haven't been reading the more recent runs.
I think there's a clear correlation there, but the axes are reversed: testosterone can't be the dependent variable of IQ score. Reversing the axes makes the gradient look incredibly steep, but that's only because of the obviously incorrect anomaly. r=0.435 is very much not a strong correlation, but it's not zero either, especially with a sample size this enormous.
My understanding is that 200 is pretty dire, would result in constant fatigue, struggle to build muscle, irritability, erectile dysfunction, low sex drive, etc.
i assume that it means people who are AMAB and never took sex hormones
data from hormonally transsexual people (most trans men and trans women, and some other transgender people) and from many intersex people (whenever the hormone balance is affected) would have many additional potential factors affecting controllability of variables and reliability
I read his autobios I guess 10-15 years ago and the misogyny felt weird. I was very much as McNeill described in the article: a young scientist who appreciated that someone could be a great in their field and fun, turning a blind eye to the dark side. I didn’t hear about the further shitty behaviour until now, but I didn’t really go looking.
Indeed, there’s no unlearning quantum physics; we should remember that achieving great things doesn’t make someone a good person.
Honestly, it could be a data point added because the researcher was getting really pissed off at the plotting software truncating the axis strangely. Normally you'd remove that after the fact, but...
Or it's a data oddity, like someone who specified units incorrectly (mg/mL) instead of (ug/L).
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That's styropyro:
He's one of the smartest youtubers I routinely watch. And yeah, crazy high testosterone, although you might never guess. I generally would assume someone with that much testosterone would have some facial hair.
im guessing he also has some degree of androgen insensitivity. having crazy high testosterone youd expect large muscles, lots of facial hair, male pattern baldness, a low voice, but hes not that big, has at least thin facial hair that he shaves, a full head of hair, and a relatively high voice. idk if any version of androgen insensitivity is associated with very high testosterone levels but i wouldn't be surprised.
Type 2 testobetes
Actual High-T, low-E build: https://www.researchgate.net/figure/The-27-yr-old-male-with-aromatase-deficiency-with-permission-of-the-patient-to-reproduce_fig5_11005642
Bro caught that Elon torso syndrome
these are just stereotypes
The lasers keep burning it off
Dude's in his 30s but looks and sounds like a guy in his early 20s.
At that level of androgen, some of the androgen will be transformed into estrogen.
Source: I’m on hrt
Yes! Free oestrogen is not actually a particularly good thing if you’re not on antiandrogens and pointless if you are. E-maxxing is sadly money down the drain.
Mostly you'd expect them to be bald
What does it mean if you have high testosterone and a lot of hair on your head? 😅
Might not have the hair for too long. Though you might. Depends on the tolerance for testosterone. Just know that high testosterone and baldness are highly correlated
You could also have a high tolerance for DHT, which is the metabolite of testosterone associated with hair loss.
In general though I think a lot of people focus very hard on the specific hormones, and typically they'll do what they say on the tin in standard doses. But there are a lot of edge cases. Higher or lower sensitivities, general proclivities, etc.
Before transitioning most people would've suspected I had very high T. I had a deep voice at a young age, built muscle fast, full beard as a teenager, the whole shebang minus baldness (but I transitioned young so that could just be time). But nope, my levels were average. I also responded fairly strongly to estrogen.
What's far more important than your numbers is if you're getting healthy and acceptable effects from your hormone levels. There's no need to mess with your levels unless there's need to mess with your levels.
Iirc, keeping or losing your hair as a guy has to do with DHT receptors in your hair follicles. T doesn't make your hair fall out, but DHT does, and your body produces more DHT as you get older (hence why finastride works as a hair loss inhibitor - it blocks DHT from the receptors in your hair). But only the hair on the top of your head is sensitive to this, with sensitivity higher in some places than others. Hence, some guys bald on the crown first, while some have a receding hairline first, and some never bald at all.
I will never go bald. I have a proceeding hairline 🤣
How do you know what his testosterone levels is?
See the first video in the screenshot
He has a very uncommon medical condition that he shared with his viewer base a while ago, largely because it had a serious impact on how often he was putting out videos for a while until he got it diagnosed
im pretty sure thats what the first video in the original comment is about
Integer overflow.
That's not how testosterone works. It's not fuel, it's just a signal. Everyone's neutral baseline is calibrated differently depending on developmental events mainly in the womb. It's not about how much absolute testosterone you have in a snapshot, it's about how much higher or lower you are than your own personal baseline. Your body will tend to maintain near your baseline, which might be much higher or lower than someone else's baseline, while "meaning" the same thing.
I came to say this! OG madlad.
Poor thing can’t fully close his mouth.
For your sins of axis-cropping, you shall be redeemed by reciting the periodic table thrice.
The only redemption is re-posting the full, properly cropped picture!
Shift the zone downwards quite a bit to be more accurate. Not many of them are high testosterone.
Well, there are a lot of rednecks with a circular family tree and more brain in their balls as in their head.
That's where they think they are. (They're also dumb enough to think that that is good.)
Now, I can find where I’d probably project to be.
we need a community / magazine for badly cropped axises in the lemmyverse! (if there is not one already)
Pretty sure that's just StyroPyro.
Maybe the initial testosterone measurement was just wrong, I wonder of they repeated it. Broken device?
IIRC that’s why most labs require multiple samples but IANAMD.
Transient elevation is possible without long term aberrant effects, though the result will have to be explained to future doctors and insurance underwriters who will want to know if it was due to poorly-managed / self-administered HRT or an unchecked gonadal growth. If neither of those things, and no other symptoms present, it’s treated as normal.
I Am Not A Mouse Detective?
Medical Doctor
mouse doctor
styropyro
He has some mystery condition where his testosterone is super high... He's very smart, but maybe not quite there.
high five, random internet poster. I came here to make a similar comment :)
That's literally who I thought about and I'm so glad someone mentioned it. He's a freakishly smart dude.
How is he now btw? Is he getting treated? Did they find a root cause?
He's posted very little on it. Last we heard they didn't find any cancers or anything and he wasn't really suffering from it. He had some strange symptoms and it it just came up in tests that didn't like up with what he was there for. But it was really really high.
Well, as long as it isn't negatively affecting him I guess. But I assume that he'll have to somewhat regularly monitor it with bloodwork checkups
Yeah, we have to assume he's in good hands. No good to assume anything else
Tbh if you told me there's a STEM youtuber with worryingly high levels of testosterone, Styropyro would be my first guess
Luigi Mangione ?
sorry all that happened to your comment
I didn't notice a thing... Is that the joke ?
there are people arguing in the replies to your comment
Weird, can you give us a summary? I don't see it either.
one user says Luigi accomplished nothing, the other says Luigi got America talking and won a symbolic victory. both users throw personal insults at each other. this goes on for about 15 comments. sounds like you both wisely have them blocked
Thanks for the summary, I confirm I didn't see a thing, maybe my instance defederated from them (this is the speculation of someone who doesn't actually know how the fediverse actually works, so use a handful of salt)
That's crazy. Thank you for the play by play!
Don't you mean the killer the feds mistook Luigi for?
I didn't say he killed anyone, he just looks good and is smart
Damn he does look good. I'd say inspirational, even.
The guy who killed a dude to accomplish no changes in the system he opposed and then went to prison for life?
Nah, I think he'd be on the other side of the chart.
Damn, poor little baby sure is jealous that Luigi got the entire US talking about the evils of private health insurance for weeks if not months and took down a mass-murderer.
What a little cockweasel you are.
Yeah totes wish I was getting locked up and watching the company I hated was hiring a new profit-focused CEO to continue its rollout of AI-powered claim review denying claims in record high amounts.
Sooo jelly
/s
Hey, man, Luigi was fighting for you too; maybe with proper dental care, for example, you could finally have those boot polish stains removed from your teeth.
You're not opposing any boots yourself, shoeshine. You're doing fuck all to help anyone.
Just like Luigi: impotent rage incapable of bringing about change.
No one said I was, you illiterate fuck. That's why I don't shit on people who are.
Like who?
I dunno, that one CEO surely didn't think Mangione's alleged rage was very impotent, and all the other CEOs that got scared didn't think so, either. Unfortunately the American people let Luigi down, though
Scared? UHC aren't acting scared, that's for sure, they're ramping up automation to deny more claims.
I sorta hear where you're coming from but I think for most people, someone getting out there and shooting someone is a million times more ballsy and proactive than we'll ever be. Agreed that it was misguided/naive though. I think it's hard to know what will actually bring about the much needed change.
I'll take one more Bernie Sanders over a million idiots with guns.
Oh no!
Anyways
All revolutions start with martyrs
No, actually, I can't think of any successful revolutions that have? Generally, the death or incarceration of a figurehead harms the movement dramatically.
Wow look, ahistoric nonsense proven wrong by even the most cursory look at world history. How embarrassing.
Got an example to work with?
That's not hard. Nelson Mandela, Václav Havel, José Mujica, Kim Dae-jung. I lived in Czechia under Havel and it was certainly the greatest moment in history I will ever experience. It still gives me hope for humanity.
Nelson Mandela died in 2013, though he is a good choice for being imprisoned for 27 years it is difficult to say that it in any way helped his cause since Apartheid lasted from the 1940s to 1994. He got a lot more done after being released in 1990 I tell you that much. It also didn't hurt to have people like POTUS Bill Clinton on his side.
Havel was cool but being the first and final president of Czechoslovakia isn't all that "revolutionary ".
Jose Mujica again a revolutionary in his youth and a normal politician in his later years.
Kim Dae-Jung...
Do you dudes have no idea what a successful revolution is? Because it isn't slow legislative reform. That's kind of the crux of the issue, all of these men had the sense to do what Luigi did not: pursue peaceful political reform and increase civillian engagement in democratic politics.
MLK, Nelson Mandela, Helen of Troy, the American revolution, the IRA, the entire history of Europe, the suffragettes, stonewall, Rosa parks, countless hunger strikers in prison, conscientious objectors throughout recorded history, Malcolm x, anyone persecuted under Jim crow, Rosa Luxembourg, Nadia Rumad. Off the top of my head.
You really asked if there are people from successful political movements who have been killed, had people make an attempt on their life, or were put in prison.
edit - cleaning up typos
MLK Jr died in 1968, long after the civil rights act was signed into law.
George Washington did not die in the Revolution, idk where you heard that.
Helena as in the daughter of Zues? Okay pal.
The "suffragettes" generally refers to the WSPU which failed and disbanded in 1914 several years before some few women were allowed to vote in 1918 due to the efforts of different groups and more broadly in 1928.
How the fuck do you claim the entire IRA died but also accomplished a successful revolution?
The entirety of Europe? You think the entirety of Europe is currently dead?!
Skipped the chapter on Easter Rising, didja?
As opposed to people who are being thrown in prison for wearing a black shirt?
Your argument has the consistency of a sieve in reality.
????
In what reality are those two things opposed?
You're saying if Luigi hadn't killed Brian that people in black shirts would be under arrest?
P.S. put up or shut up, if the world needs more Bernies like you say than step the fuck up or get out of the fucking way.
People like Luigi Cultists are the ones in the way. They don't want Bernies. They don't want people participating in "the system". They want violence.
Lol who is "they"? Got any examples?
If you believe it is organic you can find over 115 of them right up there. Luigi Cultists, who reject the reality of his impact and substitute their own.
Though, given how hard it is to get that much engagement on a post much less a comment, it most certainly is not organic.
Okay sooo... what does your OP have to do with Senator Bernie Sanders again? It's not like it's impossible to support multiple paths of action, that's pretty par for the course in political movements. You shitting on one for not having immediate success just strikes as hypocritical and, ironically, not useful to the movement.
But those bots, oof yeah. big-luigi at it again siccing dozens of phoney Lemmy downvotes on poor, uh, you. If it wasn't for them then I and everyone else would probably agree with you.
If you become a Luigi Mangione you can never become a Bernie Sanders. Mutual exclusivity. Even if you become a political icon it will always be clear that you prefer the path of violence over all other action.
lol too real to Lemmy to hear
I guess I'll just assume what the x axis is....
That's Elon lying about both.
Henry McCoy
He isn't as blue as I remember. Is he using a new conditioner?
He was actually originally grey. That was a thing for a lot of Marvel characters in their early years; they kept wanting to do a grey character but they kept needing to change it. Happened to the Hulk, Iron Man and Beast.
He was originally a normal looking dude.
It wasn't so much that they wanted a gray character; early printing just didn't do color all that well and a lot of characters started out gray because of printing errors.
This is a whole thing about clones and engineering a new body and mind transfers, the tldr is this is evil beast and he's made himself a new body with white fur for some reason
Oh okay. I missed that dark beast got a new body. I'm assuming dark beast (evil beast) is the same one from the AoA timeline.
I think I remember reading about Krakoa and Beast goes a little bit too evil with X-Force. Someone brings a beast from the past to talk sense into Krakoa beast. I haven't been reading the more recent runs.
What happened to his face?
A stressful residency
If you remove the anomaly, which may be due to an accidental additional digit, that correlation coefficient may climb a bit.
IMHO, they plotted an independent variable over random noise. The one gigathad changes nothing.
I think there's a clear correlation there, but the axes are reversed: testosterone can't be the dependent variable of IQ score. Reversing the axes makes the gradient look incredibly steep, but that's only because of the obviously incorrect anomaly. r=0.435 is very much not a strong correlation, but it's not zero either, especially with a sample size this enormous.
Dolph Lundgren
In case anybody is wondering about this answer, here's Sly Stallone talking about Dolph:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0WBV1vvee0
That's just John Testosterone, we don't talk about him.
Professor John Testosterone.
I laughed more that I was supposed to. We need a community just for funny outliers in charts!
A com for fake data.
Must be him
Obviously it's Brian Boitano
I bet on Dulph Lundgren
It's styropro
Is it this guy? I've always imagined him as an erudite scholar.
Dolph Lundgren?
I feel bad for the dude near bottom left. 200 Test and 70 IQ, rough existence.
They all hang out at r/conservative
Hey, you leave those beta males trying to be alpha makes alone
More like epsilon males.
how does low t give a rough existence???
My understanding is that 200 is pretty dire, would result in constant fatigue, struggle to build muscle, irritability, erectile dysfunction, low sex drive, etc.
Happy to be educated if I misunderstand that.
Because “manliness” rides a struggle bus. You might have to decide whether to gain muscle or sex, but both in a day is super exhausting???
Henry Rollins
Not a real study but okay
That's Brian May
It is obviously John Carmack
its that guy who took 300 covid vaccines.
And that man? Luigi
What are lifetime natural men?
In this context probably people that did not get testosterone therapy.
Aah, that makes a lot of sense
i assume that it means people who are AMAB and never took sex hormones
data from hormonally transsexual people (most trans men and trans women, and some other transgender people) and from many intersex people (whenever the hormone balance is affected) would have many additional potential factors affecting controllability of variables and reliability
Also nobody who ever took steroids or testosterone supplements.
He’ll blow your back out and cover you with his string theory.
Harrison Bergeron
I am reminded about that story every time I get distracted and forget what I was doing.
A nerd who injected himself with testosterone to ace the "test"
RIP Barry Wood
I was thinking Nick Offerman.
Richard Feynman?
Just gonna drop this off here just in case https://thebaffler.com/outbursts/surely-youre-a-creep-mr-feynman-mcneill
I did not know that, thank you
Yeah 😞 I only learned about it this year too.
I read his autobios I guess 10-15 years ago and the misogyny felt weird. I was very much as McNeill described in the article: a young scientist who appreciated that someone could be a great in their field and fun, turning a blind eye to the dark side. I didn’t hear about the further shitty behaviour until now, but I didn’t really go looking.
Indeed, there’s no unlearning quantum physics; we should remember that achieving great things doesn’t make someone a good person.
Oh, the Brendan Fraser in Bedazzled when he wished to be sophisticated, suave… Or Tony Stark.
Also, how did they get this data? Do they steal samples at night then check grades during the day?
Obviously Conan O'Brien
Hmmm, I wonder if testosterone keeps people from doing nerd shit like taking tests
Tests are fun as hell, are you really telling me it wouldn't be fun to take the LSAT and then not even apply to law school just to flex on everyone?
Saxton Hale.
Grigori Perelman
Honestly, it could be a data point added because the researcher was getting really pissed off at the plotting software truncating the axis strangely. Normally you'd remove that after the fact, but...
Or it's a data oddity, like someone who specified units incorrectly (mg/mL) instead of (ug/L).
Spermy McSpermface
ಠ_ಠ wha.. what do you mean? Genuinely what do you mean by that.
It's literally correlating testosterone with intelligence
Chuck Norris, obviously
It obviously has to be Chuck Norris
Henry Cavill
Ah yes his reincarnation. Follows Dali Lama rules apparently.
Chuck Norris is the toughest fish at Weenie Hut Jr's