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Predator Becomes the Prey

From Paul Woodford

Predator becomes the prey.

I had this lucky chance encounter recently on a trip to Lake Kerkini in Greece, This Dice Snake had just caught this Zander while we were watching it

04/06/2026

Lake Kerkini Greece

Sony a1 ii

300mm

F2.8

ISO 250

1/2500 sec - with Borislava Georgieva at Lake Kerkini National Park.

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Zander

Largest of the perch-like fish. Carnivorous with powerful toothed jaws including sharp canines. Usually around 20 inches / 50 cm long but can get up to almost double that.

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lemmy.world

Dice Snake

Non-venomous aquatic snake around 40 inches / 1 meter long. Eats fish and amphibians.

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lemmy.today

Eons ago, some hungry snake was getting desperate at not finding any small mammals to eat, when he noticed a fish just hanging out at the water's edge. He slipped in silently, and had his lunch, and thought, "How did nobody ever think of this before? Am I a genius among snakes?"

And that's how water snakes began.

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Your tale made me curious to see which direction snakes went, land to water, or water to land, and the latest theorizing seems to go with your version of events!

NPR

Some scientists have speculated that snakes first evolved in water and that their long, slithery bodies were streamlined for swimming. But a new analysis suggests that the most recent common ancestor of all snakes actually lived on land.

This ancestral protosnake probably was a nocturnal hunter that slithered across the forest floor about 120 million years ago. And it likely had tiny hind limbs, left over from an even earlier ancestor, says Allison Hsiang, a researcher at Yale University.

"They probably weren't using them in locomotion in any way, but they did probably still have vestigial hind limbs stuck on the back of their bodies," Hsiang says.

The evolutionary origin of snakes has been a bit of a mystery for scientists, because the fossil record has an unfortunate dearth of snakes. "For a long time there weren't very good snake fossils," says Hsiang, who explains that researchers had not found "things that sort of told us what snakes looked like early on, or transitional fossils between snakes and their closest ancestors."

That's because snakes are mostly small, with fragile skeletons that aren't easily preserved — although there are some notable exceptions, such as Titanoboa, which lived 60 million years ago and could grow longer than 40 feet.

In the past decade, though, scientists have discovered a bunch of new snake fossils — some new species, as well as better-quality specimens of known species. "Previously, we just had, say, a few isolated vertebrae," says Hsiang, "which tells you it's a snake, but doesn't really tell you very much else."

The new fossils allowed Hsiang and some colleagues to do a rigorous, comprehensive analysis, to try to determine what the most recent common ancestor of all snakes might have been like. Besides fossils, the team studied the genes and anatomy of living snakes. "We had a total of 73 species, and I believe 15 of those were fossil species," says Hsiang.

Their analysis, described in the issue of BMC Evolutionary Biology published Tuesday, supports the idea of an early snake that slithered over the ground, and perhaps went into burrows to find food. "Snakes probably did not evolve, originally, to be in water," says Hsiang. "That's not why they developed this body plan; that's not what the earliest snakes were doing."

It looks like the ancestral snake had needle-like hooked teeth that it used to grab small, rodent-like critters, which it then swallowed whole. And it probably wouldn't have been able to eat anything much bigger than its own head.

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lemmy.world

The guy's name looked familiar to me, but I looked him up to confirm he's legit, as this is one of those almost too fascinating to be real photos.

Coming across things like this all the time while searching for my owl posts and wishing I had a good place to share them is what had me jump at helping you revitalize this community.

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piefed.social

Coming across things like this all the time while searching for my owl posts and wishing I had a good place to share them is what had me jump at helping you revitalize this community.

❤️ !

Oh man, it makes me feel really good that we've managed to get this place going again, as to me, animals are... life. Just life, indeed.

I've also been dropping little hints and sharing little samples of our work here and there, and if I'm not mistaken, we've managed to add ~100 users here in the past couple weeks. Still just a drop in the bucket in terms of how wonderful & vital animal facts, experience and sharing is/are, but at least it's a start, eh?

Btw, on SuperbOwl, on my old Lemm.ee acct, I once shared a very silly post in which a hybrid series of owls had been mashed-up with other animals and objects. I seem to remember people liking that pretty well, and am now sitting on top of a growing archive of 'animal-hybrid' silly, creative, fascinating mashups.

I'm kinda torn on posting some, though, based on something you expressed pretty early-on: that you were attracted to this place specifically because it WASN'T the usual cutesy-animal fluff, and so forth. So I'm respectful of that. Eh, do you remember my crazy owl-mashup post, though..?

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lemmy.world

I've been seeing the number tick upward! Animal people are my type of people.

I don't know if I recall your specific post. I know I've seen many owl/cat mashups.

You should post whatever you want to. I don't begrudge when Lady Butterfly shares her whimsical stuff on superbowl. I like when other people bring their likes into the group, since it will attract eyes that don't necessarily find my style to be the be-all, end all. 🤪

You and I both post enough solidly educational stuff the occasional bit of fun isn't going to change the vibe. I've been treating c/animals as something a little more laid back for myself. I think my posts are a bit more basic, mainly as I'm less familiar with most of the animals, so they're things I just find fun or amazing. If people ask questions, then I'll hunt up answers, but I'm not being as proactive on the data hunting unless people show interest, like in this post. Having 2 groups to take super seriously is what kept me from posting other animals earlier, so it's nice that I'm able to relax more and have less of an established expectation for myself here.

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piefed.social

I think my posts are a bit more basic, mainly as I’m less familiar with most of the animals

For me, it is so damn funny. I've learned and observed so much about all kinds of animals everywhere, yet I'm still kind of a wannabe-idiot about animals & animal-facts, lol.

I think, perhaps... "curiosity" is, and always shall be, our KING.

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For sure. Think about how much you still don't know about your (human) best friend. There's way more than that we don't know about every animal out there!

I say all the time, I thought I'd be out of things to learn about owls by now, but I still feel I'm just getting started. These critters could keep us occupied indefinitely.

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If it were me, all we'd have is a snake shaped ripple in the water. 😅

Impeccable work by the photographer!

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lemmy.world

Looks a lot like a Common Water Snake and a Walleye, from the US. Very cool picture! Love how we can see it's breathing tube.

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piefed.social

Love how we can see it’s breathing tube.

Oh, that's what that is? So I take it it's something particular to air-breathing snakes that spend most of their time underwater?

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From The vertebrate larynx: adaptations and aberrations

CONCLUSION

The phylogeny of the larynx shows a steady progression from the simple slit on the floor of the lungfish's pharynx to the exquisite precision of the human vocal apparatus. The frog has acquired a cricoid cartilage; the crocodile, an epiglottic ana- logue; the snake, an extendable larynx; the mam- mal, a cricothyroid joint and membranous vocal folds. In Homo sapiens, the vocal fold is adjustable in length, tension and shape, giving the human larynx top honors for vocal versatility. But somewhere along the course of evolutionary time, man must have been influenced by his chosen (or predestined) role as a speaker and singer, trading off airway protection for precise control of his vocal output. The cost has been surprisingly reasonable-only a rare "café coronary" and the need to learn the Heimlich maneuver. While natural selection among wild animals tends to perpetuate those features that meet the requirements of function and gradually elimi- nate those that do not, the process can be frustrated through selective breeding imposed by man. The crippled larynx of most Thoroughbred horses and brachycephalic dogs are outstanding examples.

Café coronary sounded like a fun term, so I looked that up too. It got its name from people choking on food in restaurants. Since choking is often silent instead of the loud affair it gets played up as in media, people mistake it for a heart attack, potentially delaying treatment for their actual condition.

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It looks like the Zander is fairly close to the Walleye. They split from a common ancestor about 20 million years ago.

The snake's classification has been shaken up within the last decade. Everyone can agree on they are in the same family, but Colubridae was considered a "wastebasket taxon" where every snake that they couldn't categorize was placed. In 2018, new genetic data started to show they are indeed related, but now they need to do more testing to figure out all the "who begat whom" of the near 250 snakes places in Colubridae, so the snake people should be busy for a while. 😄

I looked up the tube structure, which seems to be called the glottis. I've discussed the glottis a bunch over at c/Superbowl, as this is also the same structure that lets the owls breath while they swallow their food whole.

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lemmy.today

That fish has been holding that look of surprise his entire life, waiting for this very moment.

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