Iran declares the Strait of Hormuz closed again after US lifts blockade
Iran re-closed the Strait of Hormuz Friday instead of heading to Switzerland for nuclear negotiations, citing Israel’s refusal to pull forces out of southern Lebanon and US forces’ ongoing presence in the region.
In a statement read over maritime radio channels, the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) said the US was in violation of the memorandum of understanding between Washington and Tehran, which President Trump and Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian signed Wednesday.
“Since Israel’s withdrawal from Lebanon, the complete lifting of the naval blockade, and the withdrawal of American terrorist forces from the Persian Gulf and the region are among the main conditions of the agreement between Iran and the United States, the Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until these conditions are met,” it said. “All ships are requested, for the sake of their security and safety, not to approach the Strait of Hormuz. Any vessel that defies this directive will be targeted.”
https://nypost.com/2026/06/19/world-news/iran-declares-the-strait-of-hormuz-closed-again-after-us-lifts-blockade/Open linkView original on lemmy.world
Israel is the Main Culprit keeping the ECONOMICALLY NECESSARY Straight of Hormuz closed? And because of that the US Economy is going to be DEVESTATED? Quick! We MUST give the Israelis MORE US Taxdollars and MORE US Military Intelligence!
-The US Congress LITERALLY!
Those days are over! Say no to Israeli funding and YES to merging the military industrial complexes together so that you’ll never know where the money goes, let alone stop it.
AIPAC is also dead! Long live a thousand innocent sounding organizations with “fundraisers” instead. Nothing nefarious, all above board. The most moral people work in the darkness in case you didn’t know.
Hopefully this helps drive a big wedge between Israel and the US. Lets stop giving them any weapons and aid. Tired of my tax dollars supporting a rich country dead set on genocide. Israel can handle their own affairs.
USA and UK created Israel for a reason, and they're fine with Israel's actions.
Israel is doing what it was created to do.
Correct. It's not just Trump, it's an entire generations-long policy norm to suppress peace and sovereignty across the middle east that passively scapegoats and endangers jews all over the world as consequence, perhaps intentionally. Pretty sure that Israeli money still funds the majority of both Republican and Democrat campaigns in congress. We need a whole-house cleaning, Israeli lobby funds from any sources need to be popularly seen by voters as a hard disqualification. Jewish voices that oppose genocidal Israeli domination narratives need to be amplified and normalized.
All of the red you see is a politician who takes money from AIPAC
Every one of them should have to register as a foreign agent and be barred from holding office
I think they are traitors and should be treated as such.
This chart is useless to roughly 5% of the population. Is there a version that doesn't use red and green?
It can double as a color blindness test
Should have been so for decades
Fuck man. Truths.
The Soviet Union was the first country to recognise Israel as a state, and the biggest original supporter. Link
The US became a pivotal supporter only after 1967. (And that's when Israel allegedly became an asset)
Britain literally created the state, of course they recognized them first, lol.
Britain got tired of having their people killed by the local terrorists and left. That's not pre-recognition of the government that those terrorists later set up.
Balfour declaration.
Yeah it is kinda interesting to see people act like Israel has suddenly commandeered the US, as if they aren't both colonial projects acting like colonizers, and building mural alliance on the grounds that you know, they wanna do colonialism shit
Theres a guy I follow online who always describes it as "the tail doesnt wag the dog", where the US is the dog, and Israel is the tail, which is an interesting metaphor I haven't heard much before,
There's a movie named after the saying: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog
I haven't seen it. Not sure how well it's held up.
Edit: There's a wiki page on the political term: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_dog
Hmmm, I'm not sure why each of those links takes me to a different wiki even though they're identical. I imagine it doesn't work the same for everyone else. I'll just link to the disambiguation:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wag_the_Dog_%28disambiguation%29
The film has both Wag and Dog capitalized. The term has only Wag capitalized.
Ah now I see it
It's a good metaphor for explaining the concept he wants to explain, but I think it falls a bit short in that it's not a dog with one brain that has one goal.
Instead it's controlled by a bunch of people who have been indoctrinated that being successful is making money. People like trump have no interest in the dog, apart from how much blood they can suck from it.
Hanlons razor: "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity [or incompetence]."
The US and the UK just didnt care about the Palestine area. It was a mess and had little strategic value. Israel is not some puppet of the west, thats absurd, and your stance has always been a way to wash Israelis hands of their own war crimes by attributing it to others.
Either way we can both agree that Israel and the US/UK should NOT be politically aligned and should go their own way. And whichever of those countries then violates universal human rights should be dealt with very harshly by the entire international community. Held at gunpoint North Korea style until they grow the eff up. agreed?
Hanlon's Razor doesn't always apply these days, especially when we're talking about literal fascists.
These are malicious people, of course we should be attributing the awful shit they do to malice
Israel has Epstein's blackmail against Trump.
The only way the US withdrawals support from Israel is after Trump either leaves office or croaks. He doesn't care if the entire country runs out of oil in >4 weeks. He'll destroy the country forever, all because he's a child rapist.
Does the blackmail even matter anymore? Bibi could drop 4K footage of him doing the same shit documented in the files and I'm convinced he's not leaving office until he dies or is forced out.
I mean, if it didn't matter then why is the demented child rapist still withholding and censoring the Epstein files?
Because there's a chance it might matter and he's not prepared to take that risk
That might be what Iran is thinking with this. Israel's continued existance is incompatible with peace, so splitting them off from their sugar daddy will help
It's like you think Israel US is a friendship or something...
Hopefully when American strategic reserves run dry, America goes into a depression and collapses!
America needs sweeping changes for sure. Hoping for a collapse would be catastrophic to 300million, and life alerting for even more. They don't exist in a vacuum.
Sure, you can reform the country founded on genocide and slavery, which still practices both to this day. Good luck!
Watching the US get its economy shredded by a pedophile would be a lot more entertaining if I wasn’t a participant in that economy.
bUt ThE DoW iS oVeR 50000!!!
Yeah. I also made $438 Quabrillion in Monopoly. What's the difference?
This is exactly how I felt after Brexit.
"Hahahaha...oh...oh no...."
Nukes are so 20th century. Who needs nukes when you can literally shut down the global economy with a phone call?
A phone call, an armada of speed boats, thousands of sea mines, and a mosaic defense strategy that allows for the continuous firing of ballistic missiles after suffering $1T in infrastructure damage.
Still less trouble than building and launching a nuke.
Iran did the most hilarious thing possible! They're going to bend Trump over backwards for the rest of his life.
Which won't be long, hopefully.
Come on, Death, do your fucking job!!
(Though an excruciatingly painful and debilitating illness is much preferred. I'd wish a long life to the Donvict if that happens)
As much as I fear the consequences this will have for the economies of the world, especially poor countries who will get hit the hardest, I enjoy watching Trump and his friends get humiliated. They deserve it.
did not help either
This moron can’t stop running his mouth. A person like this can’t handle diplomacy - his fragile egomania will always get in the way.
THE ART OF THE DEAL!
(written by a ghostwriter)
Unconditional surrender, for the US, I suppose?
Let's be real though. Iran expects Trump and Netanyahu to keep sabotaging this deal one way or another and is fine with them manufacturing consent to close the Strait and bomb more US/Israeli assets.
Let's see these "no limits" against Israel, hmm?
id say this is 3d chess but its more like being a nation-state 101. Iran expertly played israel and america off eachother to get exactly what they wanted and give neither america or israel anything, all while driving a wedge between these two assholes.
it would be impressive if they pulled this off against highly-capable nations with well developed diplomatic corps. As it stands it kind of feels mean to big up Iran for dunking on what are effectively two asshole toddlers screaming about their toys
American diplomacy had been obliterated in past 10 years
Thanks to weak Republicans.
Yes and so much more. It's insane the damage that's been done to US soft power for decades/permanently
What?? I'll tell all about this to ambassador football brain damage and ambassador son's ex-girlfriend, you'll be in trouble mister!
they dint do anything, why interrupt and enemy when they are destroying themselves.
On the bright side, green energy is looking better and better each day the straight remains closed.
It's amazing that people don't recognize the actual freedom that generating your own power gives your country
The problem is that it also grants individual freedom. Oligarchs hate that.
Bro, it even gives you freedom as a citizen.
Charging my car, cooking lunch and cooling the house all from solar panels as we speak. Awesome feeling.
It's also a cool hobby if you want it to be.
Yeah, Trump may unintentionally start the end for the fossil industry. Which is kinda ironic.
How the hell will I buy trilobites now!?
I have a ton stockpiled. Just DM me and I'll sell them to you at a premium!
Trump's bumbling is really helping the planet, ironically.
In other news "Americans to see extreme spike in electricity costs".
I guess I will just die. Might be cheaper.
The closure of the strait impacts helium supplies used for chip manufacturing which will impact data center build-out, so maybe the result is lower electricity costs overall.
That's happening either way. Might as well get on top of it.
If the straight remain closed, gay sex should look better and better, too /j
Netanyahu literally cannot pull his troops back. Any peace time for Israel means autopsies on the conflict and the whole Israeli government getting charged for war crimes. Governments understand this and it's going to be Western governments stepping aside and withdrawing their money to allow Israel to get flattened by the regional powers. I don't like the Israeli government, and there certainly are a lot of supporters in the region (probably over 50%), but we're probably about to see a whole bunch of innocent Israel citizens being vaporized as well.
Maybe they shouldn't have been openly celebrating in the streets when they were bombing Gaza.
What goes around comes around.
They have government-sponsored observation decks where you can watch Gaza through fixed telescopes while passing a blunt and cheer as bombs drop.
It's really a mystery that nobody likes them, huh.
I think you have an oversized confidence in our international justice system. When the good guys commit genocide or war crimes, no one goes to the Hague. Cases in point: Indonesia (twice over), Guatemala, the war on "terror".
These monsters are addicted to killing like a crack addict. Zionism is a death cult.
Charged by whom? Israeli courts? Yea right.
It's not even that complicated. If he lets Israel off a war footing, he's in front of the corruption court that he's attempted to subvert multiple times.
If Israel ever charges anyone over the actual war crimes, I'll eat a bug.
Not sure if I understand what you're trying to say. My read of this MOU is that the US is pulling the plug. Israel is already overextended in Lebanon, and they for sure can not fight Iran without the backing of the USA.
And even if they had that backing, interceptors are depleted and radars destroyed. Dimona got hit with a nuclear-capable rocket loaded with sand, a clear message which they know how to interpret. They'll keep testing the waters with Trump for a bit, but the US will clarify to them that they really aren't bluffing with this MOU.
Israel has no right to be butthurt that they didn't get a seat at the negotiating table. They're a proxy, not a partner. They are living way beyond their means and that's coming to an end. Their bluff has been called. Now they need to stfu and do as they are told.
There are no innocent Israeli scum. They are all guilty of the rape and genocide of real Semites (Palestinians).
Israel can have its peace when every last motherfucking zionist is all dead.
Do you think making pro-genocide statements actually helps anyone?
The only way to resolve this is to stop Israel.
Nypost? Seriously? There are dozens... hundreds of more reputable source to choose from.
Thanks for the links.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/iran-closes-strait-hormuz-over-ceasefire-violations-mehr-2026-06-20/
https://apnews.com/article/iran-us-israel-lebanon-hezbollah-june-20-2026-6e23fb5f37e23427dbfc2bc80c59bda8
It's more and more clear that the Wikipedia editors made the right choice in deciding that the US lost the war:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Iran_war
The US is less than 4 weeks away from losing all of its oil reserves.
If the Zionist pieces of shit thought support for Israel was obliterated before, its about to be 0% for anyone who isn't a billionaire
I can't fucking wait. The US will treat distance the same way Europe does when oil prices skyrocket. Then maybe we will see the end of urban sprawl.
Imagine if Iran is the one that forces the US to build public transport networks.
Oil reserves? The US is a net exporter of oil. The prices are only up because our government prioritizes oligarch profits over the people’s well-being.
The US exports the wrong type of oil that they're running out of. Their refineries are built specifically for the oil extracted from the Middle East and retooling them to accept American oil is just out of the question since it'll take too long before they run out stockpiles.
I'd love to understand the logic behind creating an industry where we don't refine our own oil and instead export it, and choose to import other oil that we do refine. It seems very counterintuitive.
Sure, and the Irish were still exporting massive amounts of food during the great hunger.
Both exporting oil and nearly depleted reserves can be true at the same time because of the absolute global refusal to learn from history.
Same with China under Mao's Great Leap where the country was exporting wheat to the USSR during a massive famine.
Good for them. If the US and Israel cant keep their word then treat them like it.
Watching this every day is like watching two narcissists with autism arguing.
How so?
Iranian, Israeli, and US leadership are all self absorbed authoritarians who care more about looking powerful and could give fuck all about the ppl they supposedly govern
Bro, iran found out that if they just block the strait they wont get bombed. In what universe is keeping their cities from being bombed not giving a fuck all about their people?
I am an iranian citizen, they do not give a shit about us. Trying not to get bombed is rule 1:1 of not having your government collapse
All the Iranians in exile will probably tell you the current government doesnt give a shit about the populace
That seems like a biased sample set.
You're telling me all the people who have had problems with the government think the government is bad? I'm shocked!
I’m confused… Are you hinting at the Iranian regime not being as bad as Iranians living abroad make it out to be?
No, I'm pointing out the concept of sampling bias. There are no doubt valid criticisms of the Iranian government as there are with every government.
When I hear Iranian immigrants on cable news being like "it's good the U.S. is bombing the homes of people I used to live with" I'm like
"that's a crazy take".more precisely "why would someone wish something so horrible on their former neighbor".Just cause you lived somewhere for a while doesn't mean you know what is best for the people still living there. It may imply a certain level of knowledge. But those people can still have bad takes --just like Americans can have bad takes about America-- and those bad takes can be biased by the particular experience they have had and that's worth considering.
Some Iranians I know said their family members protesting the regime were shot and injured and 1000s of citizens killed.
They drive by and seek out people using starlink type systems that communicated with the outside world, due to the communication ban , internet ban. While the Iranians don't want to be bombed they want their oppressive government out of power and were welcoming invasion originally.
Doesnt justify bombing grade schools and reservoirs of the citizens being oppressed though does it. So its pretty obvious that Israel and the Us arent bombing Iran to help the Iranian citizens out, isnt that right.
It's true of 100% of Iranians I know. It has to be accurate with the very large number Iranians I know.
3 is a really big number right?
They're selfishly preventing us from accessing the jet fuel we use to power our bombers.
It's unsporting, petty, and deeply unchristian. They should be ashamed of themselves.
I get the narcissistic part, how does that reflect autism tho?
At least Iran is trying to save millions of people from being bombed to shit.
So it can cover, cane, and oppress them.
There are no good guys here. Mommy and Daddy are fighting to see who gets to fiddle the kids.
I was referring to Gaza and Lebanon.
Iran only cares about those because they know if they let Gaza and Lebanon fall to Israel unopposed, Iran is next. It's complete self interest.
There is no "Iran is next." Pretty sure Isreal and the US just tried to beat Iran into submission and failed. Iran's time came and they survived.
Iran could easily turn it's back on Lebanon and survive, just as the rest of the world has. But unlike the rest of the world it's actually using the leverage it has to stop a massive genocide.
No one is saying Iran is a wonderful country with leaders that belive in peace and equality for their people but the blood on the US and Isreal hands flows further than Irans.
What's that got to do with autism?
Ever overhear an argument at a gaming convention?
Yes, but that's because they are assholes not autistic
They're both. It's a deadly combo.
It's only part to do with Autism. My experience with moderate to strong autism in people is like a dog with a bone. They will not drop a point and will stay super focused on it even when everyone else has moved on, or conversation moves forward. Autism makes people "sticky" they won't drop a view they hold without trusting the people they are interacting with to a significant degree. This is not
But the other descriptors are very important to producing shitty people. The part that makes this bad is the narcissist part.
Autism is just one that makes it hard to put themselves in the other peoples shoes. Autism makes it difficult to understand other people's perspective and can lock in on their own experience of the world which doesn't usually align with the vast majority of other humans. They have a really hard time relating to other people in some people.
Having 3 such people with the those specific traits arguing against each other, the autism part is not what makes them bad people. A better way to describe the affect autism would have in this scenario is that you could say ruthlessly and mercilessly tenacious instead of autism because that's the enhancement autism produces in this scenario.
It's a very useful capability when channelled in good ways, channeling it in narcissistic ways is what is wrong here. Autism is a powerup, it's not bad the way the other descriptors are
You don't have to be autistic to get stuck on a view, look at the MAGA base while the leopard eats their faces
No you dont. Absolutely correct. But it's a very different kind of compulsion for people who express their autism that way.
Hyper fixated on being dicks?
Don't need autism to do that.
Can't argue with that
True for half of the USA and most of Iran, but the vast, vast majority of Israelis are even more bloothirsty and shitty as their war criminal leaders. Dont rope the US and Iranian public in with Israelis. Thats fucking insulting.
Those narcissists at Iran, how dare they ask for peace and not be satisfied with invasion, subjugation, and killing of innocents
To be fair, the regime’s response to the civil unrest was so unnecessarily bloody and violent that some sort of international response was almost inevitable.
So yeah, crazy people who don’t give two cents about their people.
And if you really want to muddy the waters, then consider the Iranian diaspora in the US, who are hardcore MAGA-supporters and who literally asked Trump to bomb ‘their’ country.
Or the former prince of Iran asking Trump’s blessing to lead his country again, after spending the majority of his life achieving nothing and living of the fortunes his father stole from Iran.
It really is narcissists all the way down…
Now do Israel and the US.
Powerful and resourceful gangsters have banded together to make war upon the whole human race
FDR, Dec 9, 1941
Give them hell Iran.
You don't think the IRGC are gangsters?
Israel isn't gonna stop
All of Lebanon is included in the map of Greater Israel. God’s Chosen Master Race aren’t going to stop until they’ve genocided every last Arab and Muslim and anyone else who tries to stop them. Unless someone actually makes Israel stop.
"for a master race" jewish people sure have alot of specific disorders unique to them.
I concur. Putin is a bad guy. Trump is a bad guy. Nethanyahu is a bad human (just for once I misuse the word human)
I fear you’re correct. To the extent that they view this as an existential question (and for Netanyahu it truly is), they could give a shit about oil prices.
But now Trump can try to shift blame for the war onto Israel and Netanyahu.
Of course, this won’t work, but that’s why these stupid idiots picked this course of action. They knew they couldn’t stop Israel from being insane assholes, so they tried to figure out a way to shift a blame to Israel.
Oops!
He would never speak ill of his leashholder.
So the American surrender didn't do squat, eh?
America didnt have the zionists permission to surrender.
If only there had been a way to prevent all of this...
While this seems plausible — likely even — it appears this is only being reported by the NY Post, a known neonazi propaganda rag. I would wait for more confirmation.
Yeah, I'd wait, too.
It's also reported by German t-online (which also isn't a reliable news source).
https://www.t-online.de/nachrichten/ausland/internationale-politik/id_101304268/iran-schliesst-strasse-von-hormus-wegen-israelischen-angriffen-erneut.html
They do name their sources:
So that's https://xcancel.com/sentdefender and https://xcancel.com/Faytuks. Possibly this post https://xcancel.com/Faytuks/status/2067919275986124896 specifically?
Yes, and sentdefender has audio from the primary source (which is in Farsi, so I don't know if it's accurate).
https://xcancel.com/sentdefender/status/2067925165208490356#m
Well just male it the Gay of Hormuz and then everyone wins.
Underrated idea :D
Don't fycking remind me about raspberries and not give me a free promo code! The aliens use raspberries enough to control my consciousness, I don't need more!
Peace when markets are open and war when markets are closed.
It'd be funny if it weren't for Israel doing lebensraum and ethnic cleansing in Lebanon.
The title has since changed:
From taco Tuesday to fuck that guy Friday (you know who I mean)
Should've gotten my trades in.
I find this all quite amusing.
It's not just Israel refusing to pull troops back, they literally had a "round of strikes" according the Barrons
https://www.barrons.com/articles/oil-iran-war-strait-of-hormuz-39af4440
Lmao at that subscription model they have. They offer 2 subscriptions for more than twice the price if a single one for "serious investors".
While I can't root for any party involved in this, I have to say I'm really glad to see someone is holding America by the balls big time.
What? Our 300 billy not good enough?
Why did I post this?
I'm sure it'll shock you to discover that the $300B check was not actually in the mail
It was E-Transfered.
Trying to pay the $300B in TrumpCoin
It's like the penultimate scene in the old Street Fighter movie, where they find out M. Bison's bug out safe is just full of his own branded currency
When you negotiate with lying egomaniacal assholes who never say the same thing twice .... what do you expect is going to happen?
TBF the didn’t say they were surprised.
Fuck it, let’s roll out the fallout.
Well, that's embarrassing again.
Quite the Cluster Fuck and Israel, with their US politicians, are running the USA into the ground.
I'm shocked.
those local commanders are likely going to find themselves falling a sudden stop if they fuck up the central gov of iran's 300 bill deal i suspect
Trump promises payments his while life and then doesn’t do it. He has a long history of it.
It is surprising to me that anyone takes this $300B number seriously. It is not the slightest bit believable. There is not even any idea of from whom, specifically, this $300B is going to come from.
I can think of a bunch of people we could get it from, without touching taxpayer dollars at all.
Start with Trump's entire fortune, then go down the line. When Iran is paid back, we can keep collecting for health care, college, day care, school lunches, housing assistance, UBI, etc.
These parasites started it, they can pay for it.
Trumps word isn't worth shit. He's going to fuck you over the moment he gets the chance and it's beneficial to him. You cannot make a deal with someone like that who doesn't understand the value of trust. Irans leadership probably knows this too.
seemed like irans gov was
$300 billion is too low. They know they can get an even trillion.
I don't think you realize the scope of these sums. $300 billion is already a mindblowing amount of money, even for an entire country.
That's nearly 4x Iran's entire annual budget revenue.
And there are SEVERAL Sociopathic Oligarchs who could pay for it, so pass them the check.
Yeah you right only 4 year of annual budget revenu for this kind of agression is not close to enough. How long will it take to rebuild, I wonder. Without saying they have to restock their ammunitions for the future
I'm not saying it's too much or that it's uncalled for, I'm saying $300 billions is already an unsourmantably good deal and a sign of great victory, it's just unrealistic to expect even more.
Lol, why ? Elon have 2 trillions now, explain me why a country attacked a another, destroying infrastructur, killing families ruining countless lives, should be compensated less than one guy worth ? Dude just stop you are digging
You're literally comparing physical assets to some very serious robux money. And I'm the one delusional here? Plus - 2 trillions, give me a fucking break. Fuck off.
Most people seem to think "So-and-so is worth X billion" means they have X billion in straight cash, they don't know it includes any stocks or companies and properties they own or anything like that.
The rest of the people here that do understand that still don't think anyone should own private property to be fair, but they're not exactly thinking through how that works either. Basically (for example) instead of say Elon owning X and Tesla either he has to sell it to another rich guy for the trillions and then give that to Iran, or I guess transfer ownership of those assets directly to Iran so Iran just owns X and Tesla now, communism has nothing to do with it, no workers win, they just think "company bad" and all other thought goes out the window.
And you are saying that this ridiculous small poney amount is worth the life and consequences, the pesos ik chief inflicted. I am glad you have an exact amount worth for each life. But I wonder does this value move with the skin color ?. But yeah you right, we should go back on track, 300 billion is far from enough compensation. Considering the US broken infrastructures which were more expensive than that. And what is 300billion when one of your parasites "worth" far more.
So stupid
Damn man video media (news feeds) are way delayed.
Scummy from Iran. The US should immediately block the strait again and get back to bombarding Iran and killing their leaders
What is scummy for iran here ? Isreal attacking Lebanon ? Ho boy you are part of the bottom of the barrel aren't you ?
Is Israel a US state?
Geographically no, from an economic and a leaedership point of view yes. I will play along, no it is not, can you explain me why this invalidate the fact than Iran should'nt be attacked because Israel didn't respect any contracts and attacked an Iranian ally ?
No, America is an Israeli colony now.
Yes.
Ehm, is Lebanon part of Iran?
Were they negotiating peace with the US or peace between Israel and Lebanon.
I'd like for you to think why is Israel attacking Lebanon, my theory is that Hezbollah didn't respect ceasefire, but I might be wrong (I'm not).
Lol now countries can't be ally. Dude try to think a lillte before regurgitating talking points... Your fox news education is showing ;)
It's part of the MoU.
Israel attacking Lebanon I dunno, did Israeli an tried to not send settler kill Lebanese civilian ? Because this would be a root cause explaining this kind of tweet from Israel ministers. https://x.com/itamarbengvir/status/2067865510281170957
I see than Israel leadership is using it's youngling life to attack and taunt (by sending settlers) Lebanese into killing them to justify starting a genocide.
Username checks out
You are scum.
I feel like it wont open back up now unless we go to war with Israel. Which, I am not keen on honestly.
I'm super keen on it. They have committed innumerable acts of war and fired on American citizens without a care in the world.
I wouldn't be keen on it either, those guys are nuts, religiously motivated, and they have nukes.
The US ain't going to war with Israel.
Probably our best option at this point. Thanks Trump
This whole thing is stupid as fuck.
I've got no special love for Israel, but they are still an independent country that is not obligated to do as we ask.
Trump made a deal that promises they'll do something- a promise he had no standing to make. That's like if I promised everyone reading this thread that if you upvote me, Elon Musk will give you a million dollars. I have no authority to make that promise because Elon never agreed to it, and he's not bound by my statements.
And since apparently Israel never agreed to this, and in fact said openly they don't agree, this whole deal was bullshit from the start.
Hope we didn't send the money yet...
And the US - as an independent country - can also withhold military aid, intelligence, financial support, political cover at the UN, and overall Israeli dick sucking to get the ethno-fascist state to fall in line.
You don't provide any of that to Elon......though I can't tell for certain about the dick sucking, but that's totally your choice dude.
Lol
Yeah we can absolutely do those things, and some of them we probably should just on general principle. I have always been of the belief that if you give a guy a gun and he shoots somebody, and you give him another gun and he shoots somebody else, you may not be responsible for the first shooting but you're definitely responsible for the second. And all of the ones that come after that.
So if you're going to argue that we should take a harder stance with Israel, I'm definitely not going to disagree. Whether that will actually happen is a completely different story.
However even if we weren't going to strong-arm Israel, it's basic dealmaking 101 that while bluffing is acceptable in some situations, when it comes time to put the cards on the table and play them, you can't play a bluff.
I could see this as a comedy skit
Trump: if you reopen the Strait Israel will get out of Lebanon. Israel: no we won't.
Iran: okay we will open the strait and Israel will leave Lebanon. Israel: no we won't leave Lebanon.
Trump: okay we have a deal!
Iran: Why isn't Israel leaving Lebanon?
Israel: is my phone on mute or something?
Haha, I'd agree that it would be hilarious if so many people weren't getting killed.
Yes, Israel openly says that they won't stop. But if those are the conditions that Iran puts to the deal and the US is agreeing to those conditions, then it's really up to the US to pressure Israel to stop (via the multiple ways mentioned). Otherwise the conditions aren't met.
Oh yeah I agree on both concepts- too much death, and if US did agree to that then it's on us to try to push Israel to follow it.
My point stands though that we promised something that a. we cannot guarantee, and b. have no intention of even trying to make happen.
You're stupid as fuck.