The hypocrisy! “Linux bros” are constantly shitting all over Mac and Windows, even more than they shit all over every flavor of *nix that isn’t their preferred flavor.
That's not true. Linux users do this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Microslop users. Microslop has billions of users, but fewer than 20 fanboys, worldwide.
i've run across some people around here who i would never have guessed knew about linux.. and not only did they know--they ran it. and yea, more than one was 'i use arch btw'.
Used and supported Windows for over 30 years at this point. I've NEVER been a fan, and started looking into Linux back in '99. It wasn't ready back then, but two decades later and it seems like Linux does everything except anti-cheat, which I have no use for, better than Windows ever did.
I actually could not believe what was happening, when they rolled out 8 on us.
"We've removed... the windows... from Windows."
Saying that outloud made my boss very angry.
We spent a month pleading to let us go back to 7, to use some kind of standard, non tablet UI.
For a month they told is that didn't exist in 8, the UI was all totally new and redesigned from the ground up, and no we can't go back to 7.
But, they were lying, of course. There was a sequence you could do to override the new UI that had indeed been slapdashed over 7's UI, to go back to 7's UI.
(Where 7's UI is modified XP UI, which is modified 98 UI... etc)
We figured it out, they'd patch it to not work, some other email chain would figure out some other override, they'd patch that out.
After about a month of that they actually admitted that the 7 UI was indeed still there and was not just some kind of emergency fall back mode.
Some months later, 8.1 is basically just them making the 7 UI mode fully work.
Again, I literally could not believe how stupid this all was, to the point of sometimes literally dissociating.
Or maybe Windows 8 was my personal Vietnam, or something, lol.
That's okay because unlike Windows, Linux isn't guilty of market capture, adware, spyware, bloat, and any number of other things that are wrong with windows.
THIS Windows user has used Linux and BSD sytems for ~30 years and still manages a fuckton off Linux servers as his dayjob. The thing is - and it is a somewhat inconvenient truth - that Windows 11 has evolved to a point where it works just really, really well when used on dedicated hardware.
And Powershell is simply the better scripting environment, this is a hill i will gladly die on.
You're a sysadmin or a software engineer, not a non technical layperson like a teacher, accountant, nurse, web developer, etc. using a lenovo ideapad to do their taxes.
Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn't have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can't connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷♂️.
The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.
I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I'm not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.
Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.
I think it's like why people don't change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don't want to mess with it
Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I'm being sincere & my car's engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?
How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.
If you want a different engine, you're going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.
I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That's all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you're using... What it shipped with.
no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that'd just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.
Yes, either a junk yard used one or you can purchase a crate engine, that is just the main engine block internals and heads, and you swap all your parts to it.
Sure. Basically every part of a car is replaceable, including the engine (and parts of the engine). As the car gets older finding the parts gets harder but that's about it.
Engine swaps are expensive though, especially since you wouldn't be doing it yourself knowing next to nothing about cars, so a lot of people get a new car at that point.
What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don't work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work 'out of the box'. If you reinstall, good luck with that.
And even if some distros don't play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there's that.
Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I'm happy on the penguin side of things, you're happy on the... whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.
I did read, and part of what I said came from that as well. My steam deck has been on bazzite, SteamOS and ChimeraOS, and I've never had an issue there either.
To be clear, I'm not saying you're imagining anything. It could very well be faulty hardware, a BIOS level issue, the downloaded ISOs themselves. The possibilities are endless. But the reality is that I have not had that experience in the Linux world at all, but have had a way worse experience with Windows, and I used to build gaming PCs in my country for a living, with Windows, since XP. Windows is a royal pain in the ass unless you buy the equipment with it preinstalled, and even then, the 1 hour + updates and resources hogging are ridiculous.
Wait, are you saying you have to run scripts to make hdmi default... on Steam Deck? Cause I have the thing in desktop mode, and every time I turn it on while it's plugged into my tv, it automatically defaults to that tv no problem. What's going on with your setup?
Also wireless latency is a problem everywhere, with some controllers being better than others. Gulikit ES Pro works pretty well in my experience, but wired is always going to be faster.
Dude, wireless latency is well documented. Every controller has at least some latency, and if yours is to a problematic degree, that's a you issue. As I said before, I don't have issues with my controllers.
Yet every single one of them work with windows and the respective console. But yeah I'm holding it wrong and it's a me issue. 🤣
You people who turn a blind eye to Linux desktops issues are hilarious. Like, the hoops you jump through to tell people that their controllers that work everywhere but on Linux distros is crazy. It's like watching trumpers, just with less catastrophic consequences.
I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn't interested in the other stuff.
Also, I didn't say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.
My favorite thing is going onto the community for a game that explicitly supports linux with a problem just to have a bunch of replies to install windows from random chuds.
Nah, as a Windows user on the topic of Linux here in the fediverse I'll be totally honest: I mostly just feel like I'm looking at and a bit wishing I was smart and savvy and motivated enough to be one of the cool kids, but after my last disastrous attempt at switching (because apparently my video card just isn't supported I guess? whatever, I'm not looking for tech support here) I'm just happy enough to be at the cool punk party instead of predatory frat party (reddit, twitter, take your pick of corporate shithole) where I'm likely to get roofied.
I put off the switch for ages due to similar reasons, tried once that failed horribly. Later had a motherboard failure and Microsoft showed their whole arse. Reactivated the dual boot, channeled my inner old woman energy, solved the video issue and have been happily tinkering with the smaller issues as they come up. Still playing whack a mole, but now I'm getting things the way I want them, instead of disabling things I'm being told I want by some corporate nutcase.
And hilariously, I am spending less time maintaining Linux than I did for Windows.
Mint gets tossed around because it's pretty forgiving. It just shits me i have to rewrite udev for usb key removal. Its the 21st fucking century, no one "dismounts" usb any more
Kubuntu is another one that just works. Hubs hasn't has problems and he's definitely not hardware wired
+1 for Kubuntu just working. I put my grandpa on it and I actually had someone I support for IT install it on their personal computer because they were getting sick and tired of windows.
There is some fuckery I'm not a fan of, but the user will probably just be oblivious+happy it just works.
When I muster up the courage again, Mint is probably the distro I'll try. I'd tried Pop!_OS because I'd read that it's very superficially Windows-like as an easing in method, but I think the larger install base of Mint (and thus docs, support, etc) makes it the more appealing choice next go round, if ever that day comes.
I got thrown in the deep end professionally with slackware years ago and i personally think pop is satans taint, so don't feel bad.
Been playing with mint on media server builds, works pretty well (apart from aforementioned usb caching), just adjusting to the flatpak sandboxing. Also works well with retroarch and my 8bitdos but i haven't fired up the n64 emu yet.
Daily driver is kubuntu, the biggest issue with both is if you have a mixed os system - the ol "won't network browse or auth as guest on a win machine share" unless you use cifs.
This feels like a very friendly and supporting comment, so I appreciate it, but I'm not gonna lie, about half of what you said may as well be Korean to me it's so unfamiliar.
Flatpaks is a software control architecture. So instead of having files and executables able to talk to each other across the OS all willy nilly they're kept in little pens. This means the file locations change from what you automatically go to look for
8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven't tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.
Daily driver is my default go to pc to use. I run kubuntu on that. If you have windows-based servers or pcs that you're gonna mix with linux, kubuntu and mint have issues browsing to windows file shares with their default network browsers. You need to use what's called "cifs" instead, plenty of documentation if you need to poke about.
8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven’t tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.
This was the part I knew 😜 On my 3rd 8bitdo controller I think and been emulating games forever. The rest was legitimately foreign to me though, thank you
I fucking love 8bitdos. We have some for the retroarch, and then ones for legitimate systems - the SNES and the Sega Megadrive. I'm just salty I was never able to get my hands on their n64 controllers before they got slapped with copyright.
I was prepared to go through hell when I switched recently, since Windows was making me so mad. Everyone told me my graphics card wouldn’t work, gaming would be hard, etc. Then Mint just worked. 🤷
I did have to troubleshoot why my speakers were muted on startup, but it was worth it. Oh, and volume up defaults to 5% instead of the standard 2%, that took some fixing. Games just work, though.
I think that the motivation is the real key point here.
You could be the best technical person but if you are not motivated, it won't happen. And that's fine. When the motivation will be there, Linux nerds will be there to help you.
I had a much older nvidia card and just had to install the older drivers.
It was with OpenSUSE which has a repo maintained by NVidia directly, and they had generation drivers G03 , G04, G05 etc.
But I did find that while distro hopping that no all linuxes are equal for hardware support.
I had a laptop with a bios bug that would kill Debian based installs, but work fine with fedora or opensuse, and also fine with nixOS. Those distros acknowledge the bug and did a work around.
So if you have interest again, its worth shopping around sometimes.
Trying to switch was your problem. Linux is not like Windows or Apple. There's no marketing department trying to manipulate any brand loyalty. It's just a tool, and one that has been developed organically to fit in your life as much as you want it. Unlike Windows, Linux does not try to take over your whole computer, it can easily coexist with other systems in a variety of ways whether dual-booting, vms, or live distros.
I like to keep a distro on a usb stick ready wherever I go, in case I ever have to use somebody else's computer, for instance.
Once accustomed to using an operating system that's actually trustworthy, any time spent with the other big two feels like being violated. Windows is best kept minimized and quarantined.
It's Ok. You don't need to like Linux. (Evil villain accent slips out)-- You vill use Linux! Und you vill like it! Even if you don't like it. Ooops! Sorry! That just slipped out somehow.
An OS is a tool no more, nothing less. Use what you like and like what you use! And if you decide to try Linux again some day in the future, great! If not, that's great also!
When I complain about Linux it's in the hopes that some nerd will come along and provide actual solutions to the problems I'm having with it in an effort to prove me wrong. Unfortunately mostly I just get the "That's normal you just have to deal with it" kind of answers.
Or just fix it with this easy but entirely unreadable command in the terminal. Oh it did not do what I expected, welp you're on your own now.
I want a complete UI so I can move my non technical family members over to it, but the Linux bro's think it's fine to have a half functioning UI and just do the rest in the terminal. And yes I know the terminal fix is faster and usually simpler to run, but I can't explain that to my non technical family members, nor do I want to cosplay as a sysadmin for them.
Windows has an issue or flaw: Just switch to Linux bro! It's so customisable!
Linux has an issue or flaw (like middle click copy/paste being forced): just live with it, it was a decision made in 1965 because one dude wanted it that way and it's so baked in we can't fix it.
I genuinely have never seen this take. Sometimes someone shares something like "I tried it out and it wasn't quite for me", and that's about as vitriolic as it get. And even that's rare.
I see you have not been graced by madthumbs and the linuxsucks community. It's so hilariously stupid I've got it blocked so I can't link, but that should be enough to find it if you like.
Ha, I called out a few mistruths they were spreading, in a constructive way and got blocked too. Almost all comments there are removed, and the user was griping about downvotes. Somebody suggested his ex left him for a Linux dev and so now he hates Linux with a passion out of spite.
Fastest save of my life. Applies to so many things too. I never understood the appeal of showing up just to say negative things. I'm guessing it's some need to drag people down to your sad level or something but it's not something I can understand.
You ever see one of those videos of a guy sitting alone in his truck, filming himself talking about something that's bothering him even though nobody asked (or cares)? Same thing. They feel like nobody is listening to them and it just burns them up inside, and it fuels their bottomless sense of resentment.
Huh.. I never thought of it that way. And I can see how they're similar but I feel they're different still mostly because these are usually trolls or just idiots that come to complain, whereas those people usually post on fb/utube/etc. where they're easier to ignore. Feels less targeted.
I mean everybody's different, but a lot of those people (whether here or on fb, etc.) highly motivated by feeling un-listened to, and deep down they all share that motivation. Older folk tend to be the "in-my-truck" vloggers, and younger people tend to just be little shits wherever distance or anonymity gives them a sense of security.
But even people who don't lash out can harbor a huge sense of resentment when they don't believe anyone is listening to them. Take the last US pres election. It might not have been enough to make a difference, but plenty of people were voting (or staying home) because they wanted to punish whomever it was that they felt ignored by.
Oh it does happen. I've had people tell me linux isn't a desktop OS multiple times and they listed ludicrous reasons that either are completely irrelevant or not true for like 10 years.
I've also had people tell me that PHP is a shit programming language and the reasons for them hating it were all outdated for like years or even decades. Once had some kid at a university I gave a lecture tell me "PHP doesn't even have classes wtf how are you coding in that shit?" my man classes were introduced in PHP 5 which was released 22 YEARS ago, you weren't even BORN when PHP5 was released.
Some people just want to hate something. Mostly if it's something that's "competing" with what they're using. And that's especially true in the tech world.
yeah but then you have hundreds or even thousands of functions within the global namespace, that's fucking terrible to work with and a nightmare for auto completion
I had someone tell me you can't do work on Linux... If pretty much the entire internet, your router, your TV, your phone, your NAS, your car etc run on Linux then what is real work? They defined it as content creation and specifically adobe apps which can't argue don't run on Linux, but also are not what I consider "work."
Yep, I heard the same. Theres that animation studio that solely uses Linux. And I explained we work on an enterprise Product Lifecycle software that runs on SUSE or REL and it has high end CAD CAM FEA apps for desktop Linux. I worked on it for many years until Wayland and X11 started to swap which was default, then the parent company halted the GUI version of the software...you can still run the CAD CAM FEA as a headless app for solving and automating workflow, but I'm hoping once Wayland is sorted 100% and they see Linux went from 1% to 5% that they'll drop the GUI back in.
I'll openly admit that I've made comments that could be interpreted as this comic. That said, I don't hate Linux or look to "dunk on" people, I just see a lot of really uninformed takes about Windows being tossed around and can't help but try to correct people.
Like someone said something abysmally wrong and very confidently, I asked them when the last time they used Windows, and they said it had been over a decade. I get that people pull that sort of thing online all the time, but when I see it it bothers me.
So I end up making the occasional comment defending Windows from blatant misinformation in a Linux thread, or insisting that the Linux experience still isn't as smooth as it needs to be for non-tinkerers.
Usually someone will pop up and call me uninformed or something, which is rich given I've been casually messing with Linux since before USB thumb drives were ubiquitous, and I have a little more than a decade of career experience in IT support and systems admin/engineering/architecture neck deep in a Microsoft environment.
I love Linux and open source software. I want it all to succeed. But Windows does have its place, it is valid for certain use cases, and is not anywhere as awful as it's made out to be. Especially if you have the tech chops to switch to Linux, de-crappify-ing Windows is of comparable difficulty and I have not had any of the supposedly unavoidable Windows issues people regularly cite in around a decade.
Switching to Linux is a more than valid choice, but I hate to see it happen only because someone isn't getting good troubleshooting information for a Windows issue.
I also have a seriously hard time keeping my mouth shut when Linux users claim daily driving a Linux Distro as a smooth process. It is leagues better than it used to be. Mind bogglingly so, and getting smoother every day. But it is still inevitable that you will hit a point of major friction and have to get deep into tinkering, and you will still likely need to make concessions in terms of hardware feature support.
I'm no stranger to tinkering. No stranger to compiling things myself, or even troubleshooting an error all the way down to a specific line of source code and making a PR to correct it.
But I've reached a point in my life where I don't want to be spending hours troubleshooting things that in my mind should "just work". I want more control than Apple offers, and less tinkering than Linux tends to expect.
So I keep up with the Linux space, use it on VMs personally semi-regularly, and maybe once a year give it a serious try as a daily driver. For now, stripped down/customized Windows installs on my gear is more than good enough.
I think the majority of Windows users know you can buy an Apple or a Windows, and that's all they know or care to know. The percentage of Windows users who know enough about Linux to decide they don't like it has got to be pretty low.
On the other hand, most Linux users know the other systems well enough to have a strong preference. This meme should be reversed.
I wish all Linux "poofed" out of existence for exactly 24 hours (and then poofed back effortlessly) so that dummydumbdumbderps could learn just how much their Apple and Windows computers rely on them to ever communicate with any other device on the planet.
If the fediverse is shedding users, it's because we still haven't figured out a better way to explain federation other than "it's like email", the process of choosing an instance is vague and daunting, the process of moving to a new instance is vague and daunting, and people instance-police incessantly, creating a feeling that you have to choose the correct instance. That, plus the pervasive misogyny that rears its ugly head every once in a while.
I promise you though, people being "unwelcoming" by using silly terms is not why the fediverse is shedding users.
Was curious so I pulled graphs from fedecan. It looks like the fediverse isn't getting many new users per day (possibly because the first rule of Reddit Club is "ban anyone who talks about lemmy"), but active users appears to be mostly steady (with a slight downwards trend).
I find that I just don't really know what I'm doing half the time, and find it difficult to find help at a genuinely practical level. It's either total beginner "This is called the terminal" or assumes you already know exactly what you're doing. Like the installation instructions for something I was looking at was literally "usual cmake build" with absolutely zero elaboration what that means. The other thing I don't like is when you look up how to do something and the answers are always "copy and paste this code" without explaining what any of it is or what it does.
Something else I'm still not at all sure about is where you're supposed to install things. Like at least on Windows I know you just bang everything in "Program files", but now there's bin, etc, home, usr, and whatever else and don't know where you're supposed to actually put things.
At this point, it’s just insecurity about stuff not working right on Windows now.
To that point:
At the moment, on my dual boot desktop, hardware acceleration and video playback are busted in Chromium browsers on Windows. But it works perfectly fine in Wayland linux. And I don’t really know why.
This is fascinating to me, as the situation was reversed about a year ago.
And if I were Windows only, without years of experience under the belt to make Linux seem less daunting, I’d be feeling anxious about that.
Not that I’m a Linux fanboy: Windows is just better for some specific things. But still, I’m not going to either OS booth to complain.
What the fuck does the threadiverse even want for itself? Do you see yourself as an enshittification-resistant replacement for Reddit, or a communist Linux forum? This comic only makes sense if it's the latter.
The last week or thereabouts, I have been trying my 2nd migration to Linux. Went with ZorinOS, but ultimately the project failed. This is because there is a lot that isn't hand-holdy enough, or AppImages just not working consistency. If nothing else, I at least a get a fresh start: Windows Enterprise 25h2 GAC via RUFUS + Massgrave, with Shutup10 Premium to set and forget my privacy. Good enough for now.
It isn't ideal, as I suspect an 2nd American Civil War down the line - and MS is likely to side with Dogey America. Hopefully Linux would be more friendly and refined by the time things kick off.
To be completely honest, any OS change does come with some friction, and Linux is certainly no exception. Should you ever try this again. give it two weeks, and you'll learn the best practices.
Honestly thats just cause zorinOS is a dumbsterfire. Sure theres 100s of distros to choose from and a fuck load of them are "professional" projects. But they arn't actually user friendly professional projects. Theres little to no effort or care put into the real world aspects that need to be accounted for to onboard new users.
ZorinOS is great and professional for an already existing user.
Its why valve has had to put so much fucking effort in to get something thats actually viable to market to your avg joe.
Frankly outside of a steamOS, bazzite, and cachyOS. Basically no distro goes to any real length to actually make things new user friendly.
Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, and many other of the most popular distros are "good enough". They are perfectly functional out of the box as nothing more or less then a useable desktop and web browser. Anything beyond that quickly falls to hit or miss bullshit.
As dumb as it is. The only distros that have actually put the work in to onboard new windows users properly have been the ones with a version targeting the steam deck and gamers.
People who ONLY need a email client are already accounted for after all with stuff like mint. You don't need your computer for anything so anything beyond the basics being VERY polished is pointless.
The hypocrisy! “Linux bros” are constantly shitting all over Mac and Windows, even more than they shit all over every flavor of *nix that isn’t their preferred flavor.
As a Linux user, I hate how you're right
C'mon, us linux users do the inverse all the time...
Literally any time Windows is mentioned
no we don't also windows is stupid you should install gentoo
What about Arch btw?
BSD
no, NixOS obviously
Unironically.
Best distro I've ever tried. Once it's set up, things work. Always.
Every time Windows is mentioned it's somebody complaining about some hostile thing that Linux doesn't do...
So yeah.
you just did 🤮
windows 🤮
I was bitching about a shitty Windows thing to a happy Windows user just this afternoon.
Windows?? You just need to bring up Gnome
windows 🤮
I promote linux, not complain about windows, every time someone has a an enshitification problem, which is incredibly common now.
You see shit, you clean it up, plain-as.
grrr
It's not the same, when you are the minority/counter culture, you are allowed to advocate for yourself.
That's not true. Linux users do this waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more than Microslop users. Microslop has billions of users, but fewer than 20 fanboys, worldwide.
You clearly don’t know about their MVP program.
Fewer than 19*
I've converted to Linux since.
The thing is - most windows user don't even know Linux exists...
Most Windows users don't know Windows exist.
i've run across some people around here who i would never have guessed knew about linux.. and not only did they know--they ran it. and yea, more than one was 'i use arch btw'.
Linux users 👇 Windows user 👆
Used and supported Windows for over 30 years at this point. I've NEVER been a fan, and started looking into Linux back in '99. It wasn't ready back then, but two decades later and it seems like Linux does everything except anti-cheat, which I have no use for, better than Windows ever did.
... I worked for Microsoft.
... during the time they rolled out Win8, by dogfooding it through every employee and contractor.
I don't know anyone that hates Microsoft and Windows more than I do.
'98 was a marginal improvement over '95 at least.
Windows 7 with all the SPs was peak Windows
Agreed, peaked at 7.
And its been literally all downhill from there.
I actually could not believe what was happening, when they rolled out 8 on us.
"We've removed... the windows... from Windows."
Saying that outloud made my boss very angry.
We spent a month pleading to let us go back to 7, to use some kind of standard, non tablet UI.
For a month they told is that didn't exist in 8, the UI was all totally new and redesigned from the ground up, and no we can't go back to 7.
But, they were lying, of course. There was a sequence you could do to override the new UI that had indeed been slapdashed over 7's UI, to go back to 7's UI.
(Where 7's UI is modified XP UI, which is modified 98 UI... etc)
We figured it out, they'd patch it to not work, some other email chain would figure out some other override, they'd patch that out.
After about a month of that they actually admitted that the 7 UI was indeed still there and was not just some kind of emergency fall back mode.
Some months later, 8.1 is basically just them making the 7 UI mode fully work.
Again, I literally could not believe how stupid this all was, to the point of sometimes literally dissociating.
Or maybe Windows 8 was my personal Vietnam, or something, lol.
I used to be sysadmin for a uni with a citrix farm. I may have a good shot at taking that crown.
I'm admin for a Citrix farm right now.
I feel you.
The fun starts when it decides to kick off the AV for every single user at once
(Also applies to "Lemmy users" on the top and "Reddit users" on the bottom)
Adblock and Chrome users too
The lesson to the top image people is, don't tell the bottom image people you feel bad for them, just be glad you're not them.
That's okay because unlike Windows, Linux isn't guilty of market capture, adware, spyware, bloat, and any number of other things that are wrong with windows.
It happens when MS does something that annoys their userbase. Then Linux nerds jump in and tell how much Linux is better.
Exactly, never complain. We lead the way to a better future.
If I didn't have to use windows for work...
Yes. Because we want native support from apps. Windows has the market share to not care. Linux is getting there but is nowhere near to even macOS.
We don't really do the same thing, because Microsoft is forced upon us every step of the way.
My theory is you are a Windows user wearing a mask.
I have never gone to look for a windows community, is there one?
Not anymore. It was embraced, extended and extinguished.
On the fediverse?!
Good luck with that.
Every post would be negative
Good
I don't use Arch, by the way.
How dare you come at me with self awareness!!
Yeah, it's Windows users going out and proudly exclaiming their love. Definitely never heard a Linux user bitch about another OS.👌👍
This has to be intentionally dense shit to trigger ACHKTUALLY type engagement right?
Windows users don't think about or even realize that other operating systems exist
THIS Windows user has used Linux and BSD sytems for ~30 years and still manages a fuckton off Linux servers as his dayjob. The thing is - and it is a somewhat inconvenient truth - that Windows 11 has evolved to a point where it works just really, really well when used on dedicated hardware.
And Powershell is simply the better scripting environment, this is a hill i will gladly die on.
In what reality? Because it's certainly not the one I exist in
Is your reality the one where they didn't imprison Trump?
Unfortunately
You're a sysadmin or a software engineer, not a non technical layperson like a teacher, accountant, nurse, web developer, etc. using a lenovo ideapad to do their taxes.
Or they value an os that works out of the box with the vast majority of hardware. Even valve and steamos is on proprietary hardware has a ton of issues. Windows is God awful but I didn't have to run a script on every boot up to set my HDMI device as a default. Or have to reboot my device every time I turn off my TV because HDMI can't connect. And none of my controllers, 8bitdo, ps5ds, xbox360, work wirelessly without latency issues 🤷♂️.
The stubbornness of the community to acknowledge this continues to hamper improving the situation.
I give money and use bazzite+ my steam deck to support foss, but I'm not blind to the numerous issues that need to be fixed before Linux is less ignored.
Well fuck me they are real
Most people are also just not going to bother changing their OS lol. Most steam deck users are using Linux and most PC users are using windows.
I think it's like why people don't change the engine in their car, sure you could could get a better one but most people are happy with their engine and don't want to mess with it
Wait you can get new engines? Sorry I'm being sincere & my car's engine is dying - is this actually a thing you can do or is it just a convenient metaphor for OSs?
How much do you want to spend? You could find a junkyard pull that may or may not be better then what you have or a rebuilt engine what should run like factory, but wont address things like a rusted frame.
If you want a different engine, you're going to have to deal with whatever quirks that come with that and you may not have anyone to ask for help if something happens.
I think their point is, yes, of course you can use another engine, because, at its core, an engine spins a drive train. That's all it does. However, to replace one engine with another, you may need to change every hose, mount, sensor, and customize the computer, because what it shipped with assumes you're using... What it shipped with.
no I got the metaphor - I meant specifically, are replacement car engines a commonplace thing? Not being shitty that'd just be really convenient and I know next to nothing about cars.
Yes, either a junk yard used one or you can purchase a crate engine, that is just the main engine block internals and heads, and you swap all your parts to it.
Currently doing an engine swap on a friends car.
Depends on the car, I don't think it's too hard to find one from a scrapyard
Sure. Basically every part of a car is replaceable, including the engine (and parts of the engine). As the car gets older finding the parts gets harder but that's about it.
Engine swaps are expensive though, especially since you wouldn't be doing it yourself knowing next to nothing about cars, so a lot of people get a new car at that point.
But there's nothing stopping you.
Yes. I bought my f150 for 2k not running. Replaced the engine (my labor, 4k worth) and now I have a 15k truck.
If you want some side cash flipping old cars can be profitable.
Amen.
For every last ball ache I have about Win 10 and 11 is "well thats annoying" but they just fucking work.
What the fuck have you been trying that you have to jump through so many hoops? Hanna-Montana Linux? I get that some distros don't work with some hardware unless you get down and dirty with some tweaking, but in my case, I only had that issue once with an Alienware laptop and Linux mint, because of the NVIDIA card, but that was 11 years ago. Never again since. How does that compare to having to hunt down drivers to make everything work in windows unless you purchase a computer with windows pre-installed for it to work 'out of the box'. If you reinstall, good luck with that.
And even if some distros don't play nice with NVIDIA cards from first install, they will still give you a display to allow you to get it to work correctly, so there's that.
Honestly, by all means, stay on windows. I'm happy on the penguin side of things, you're happy on the... whatever that side of the spectrum happens to be right now.
Did you read? Bazzite and steamos respectively. Please tell me how I don't know what I'm doing or imagining these things.
I did read, and part of what I said came from that as well. My steam deck has been on bazzite, SteamOS and ChimeraOS, and I've never had an issue there either.
To be clear, I'm not saying you're imagining anything. It could very well be faulty hardware, a BIOS level issue, the downloaded ISOs themselves. The possibilities are endless. But the reality is that I have not had that experience in the Linux world at all, but have had a way worse experience with Windows, and I used to build gaming PCs in my country for a living, with Windows, since XP. Windows is a royal pain in the ass unless you buy the equipment with it preinstalled, and even then, the 1 hour + updates and resources hogging are ridiculous.
Wait, are you saying you have to run scripts to make hdmi default... on Steam Deck? Cause I have the thing in desktop mode, and every time I turn it on while it's plugged into my tv, it automatically defaults to that tv no problem. What's going on with your setup?
Also wireless latency is a problem everywhere, with some controllers being better than others. Gulikit ES Pro works pretty well in my experience, but wired is always going to be faster.
No latency isn't an issue for Windows. Stop this nonsense copium/simping.
I can plug every controller in just fine. Linux just has garbage Bluetooth and wireless drivers. Garbage.
Dude, wireless latency is well documented. Every controller has at least some latency, and if yours is to a problematic degree, that's a you issue. As I said before, I don't have issues with my controllers.
Yet every single one of them work with windows and the respective console. But yeah I'm holding it wrong and it's a me issue. 🤣
You people who turn a blind eye to Linux desktops issues are hilarious. Like, the hoops you jump through to tell people that their controllers that work everywhere but on Linux distros is crazy. It's like watching trumpers, just with less catastrophic consequences.
You've never been to a LAN party when those where bigger. Completely unprompted, windows users will shit on mac and linux users.
You are barking up the wrong tree. mohaa, dota (the mod) big game hunters, ns, cs (again before the stand alone or steam).
You're friends were correct back then. Linux was mostly worthless unless it was your job. Triple so for gaming.
I was playing UT2k4. Epic was linux friendly back then and I wasn't interested in the other stuff.
Also, I didn't say I was a linux user back then. I just said that mac and linux lived rent free in their heads. It was the same as the console war bs back then.
My favorite thing is going onto the community for a game that explicitly supports linux with a problem just to have a bunch of replies to install windows from random chuds.
This comic is about LGBTQI+
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Nah, as a Windows user on the topic of Linux here in the fediverse I'll be totally honest: I mostly just feel like I'm looking at and a bit wishing I was smart and savvy and motivated enough to be one of the cool kids, but after my last disastrous attempt at switching (because apparently my video card just isn't supported I guess? whatever, I'm not looking for tech support here) I'm just happy enough to be at the cool punk party instead of predatory frat party (reddit, twitter, take your pick of corporate shithole) where I'm likely to get roofied.
I put off the switch for ages due to similar reasons, tried once that failed horribly. Later had a motherboard failure and Microsoft showed their whole arse. Reactivated the dual boot, channeled my inner old woman energy, solved the video issue and have been happily tinkering with the smaller issues as they come up. Still playing whack a mole, but now I'm getting things the way I want them, instead of disabling things I'm being told I want by some corporate nutcase.
And hilariously, I am spending less time maintaining Linux than I did for Windows.
You're a honorary member of the cool kids!
ngl, I actually appreciate this comment, thank you ❤
Mint gets tossed around because it's pretty forgiving. It just shits me i have to rewrite udev for usb key removal. Its the 21st fucking century, no one "dismounts" usb any more
Kubuntu is another one that just works. Hubs hasn't has problems and he's definitely not hardware wired
+1 for Kubuntu just working. I put my grandpa on it and I actually had someone I support for IT install it on their personal computer because they were getting sick and tired of windows.
There is some fuckery I'm not a fan of, but the user will probably just be oblivious+happy it just works.
yeah I fucking hate snaps too
When I muster up the courage again, Mint is probably the distro I'll try. I'd tried Pop!_OS because I'd read that it's very superficially Windows-like as an easing in method, but I think the larger install base of Mint (and thus docs, support, etc) makes it the more appealing choice next go round, if ever that day comes.
I got thrown in the deep end professionally with slackware years ago and i personally think pop is satans taint, so don't feel bad.
Been playing with mint on media server builds, works pretty well (apart from aforementioned usb caching), just adjusting to the flatpak sandboxing. Also works well with retroarch and my 8bitdos but i haven't fired up the n64 emu yet.
Daily driver is kubuntu, the biggest issue with both is if you have a mixed os system - the ol "won't network browse or auth as guest on a win machine share" unless you use cifs.
This feels like a very friendly and supporting comment, so I appreciate it, but I'm not gonna lie, about half of what you said may as well be Korean to me it's so unfamiliar.
All G :)
Flatpaks is a software control architecture. So instead of having files and executables able to talk to each other across the OS all willy nilly they're kept in little pens. This means the file locations change from what you automatically go to look for
8bitdos are retro feel wireless controllers, retroarch is an emulation software package for playing old console games on a pc. I haven't tested how the nintendo 64 emulator (notoriously hardcore) runs on mint yet.
Daily driver is my default go to pc to use. I run kubuntu on that. If you have windows-based servers or pcs that you're gonna mix with linux, kubuntu and mint have issues browsing to windows file shares with their default network browsers. You need to use what's called "cifs" instead, plenty of documentation if you need to poke about.
This was the part I knew 😜 On my 3rd 8bitdo controller I think and been emulating games forever. The rest was legitimately foreign to me though, thank you
I fucking love 8bitdos. We have some for the retroarch, and then ones for legitimate systems - the SNES and the Sega Megadrive. I'm just salty I was never able to get my hands on their n64 controllers before they got slapped with copyright.
I was prepared to go through hell when I switched recently, since Windows was making me so mad. Everyone told me my graphics card wouldn’t work, gaming would be hard, etc. Then Mint just worked. 🤷
I did have to troubleshoot why my speakers were muted on startup, but it was worth it. Oh, and volume up defaults to 5% instead of the standard 2%, that took some fixing. Games just work, though.
Don't despair, Vespair,
I like your vibe btw;
Being on the penguin side,
having a sharper mind,
does not garantee.
Let me assure thee,
for plenty of us,
are plenty dumb.
I think that the motivation is the real key point here.
You could be the best technical person but if you are not motivated, it won't happen. And that's fine. When the motivation will be there, Linux nerds will be there to help you.
PC or laptop? And what video card?
PC, ASRock Z370 Taichi mb with NVidia GTX 1080TI card and 32GB RAM.
Last time I tried install disastrously Lemmy Linux wizards told me that card isnt supported for some reason 🤷
I had a much older nvidia card and just had to install the older drivers.
It was with OpenSUSE which has a repo maintained by NVidia directly, and they had generation drivers G03 , G04, G05 etc.
But I did find that while distro hopping that no all linuxes are equal for hardware support. I had a laptop with a bios bug that would kill Debian based installs, but work fine with fedora or opensuse, and also fine with nixOS. Those distros acknowledge the bug and did a work around.
So if you have interest again, its worth shopping around sometimes.
Trying to switch was your problem. Linux is not like Windows or Apple. There's no marketing department trying to manipulate any brand loyalty. It's just a tool, and one that has been developed organically to fit in your life as much as you want it. Unlike Windows, Linux does not try to take over your whole computer, it can easily coexist with other systems in a variety of ways whether dual-booting, vms, or live distros.
I like to keep a distro on a usb stick ready wherever I go, in case I ever have to use somebody else's computer, for instance.
Once accustomed to using an operating system that's actually trustworthy, any time spent with the other big two feels like being violated. Windows is best kept minimized and quarantined.
It's Ok. You don't need to like Linux. (Evil villain accent slips out)-- You vill use Linux! Und you vill like it! Even if you don't like it. Ooops! Sorry! That just slipped out somehow.
An OS is a tool no more, nothing less. Use what you like and like what you use! And if you decide to try Linux again some day in the future, great! If not, that's great also!
This is the most hypocritical post in the history of the Internet.
I keep my dislike of Linux to myself.
Its Linux bros who are constantly flooding any and all legit questions about Windows with 'just use Linux 4head'.
Go away.
Clearly.
When I complain about Linux it's in the hopes that some nerd will come along and provide actual solutions to the problems I'm having with it in an effort to prove me wrong. Unfortunately mostly I just get the "That's normal you just have to deal with it" kind of answers.
Or just fix it with this easy but entirely unreadable command in the terminal. Oh it did not do what I expected, welp you're on your own now. I want a complete UI so I can move my non technical family members over to it, but the Linux bro's think it's fine to have a half functioning UI and just do the rest in the terminal. And yes I know the terminal fix is faster and usually simpler to run, but I can't explain that to my non technical family members, nor do I want to cosplay as a sysadmin for them.
Windows has an issue or flaw: Just switch to Linux bro! It's so customisable!
Linux has an issue or flaw (like middle click copy/paste being forced): just live with it, it was a decision made in 1965 because one dude wanted it that way and it's so baked in we can't fix it.
Yeah it's always shit like that. Or "just do this thing you already said didn't work, but I didn't read"
I've been having trouble turning light bulbs into meth pipes; they keep breaking! Is there some trick to it?
Can you keep your Linux dislike even more to yourself?
The threadiverse is not a Linux stall.
It is the interest of it's active users. For better or worse.
Yep, and that's completely different, and not a reason to tell people with conflicting interests they don't belong here.
The lack of awareness from Linux nerds who think this is perfectly on-brand, I'm dying XD
The joke is that 99% of the other stalls are also Linux lmao
I genuinely have never seen this take. Sometimes someone shares something like "I tried it out and it wasn't quite for me", and that's about as vitriolic as it get. And even that's rare.
I see you have not been graced by madthumbs and the linuxsucks community. It's so hilariously stupid I've got it blocked so I can't link, but that should be enough to find it if you like.
Ha, I called out a few mistruths they were spreading, in a constructive way and got blocked too. Almost all comments there are removed, and the user was griping about downvotes. Somebody suggested his ex left him for a Linux dev and so now he hates Linux with a passion out of spite.
Most of the time that's after they tried it 20 years ago too.
Quite literally the opposite of reality. Good shitpost.
A fanatic will change neither their mind nor the subject
Ooh, that's a good one! Is it a quote?
- ActualGrapesTasteGreen
- HeHoXa
Fastest save of my life. Applies to so many things too. I never understood the appeal of showing up just to say negative things. I'm guessing it's some need to drag people down to your sad level or something but it's not something I can understand.
You ever see one of those videos of a guy sitting alone in his truck, filming himself talking about something that's bothering him even though nobody asked (or cares)? Same thing. They feel like nobody is listening to them and it just burns them up inside, and it fuels their bottomless sense of resentment.
Huh.. I never thought of it that way. And I can see how they're similar but I feel they're different still mostly because these are usually trolls or just idiots that come to complain, whereas those people usually post on fb/utube/etc. where they're easier to ignore. Feels less targeted.
I mean everybody's different, but a lot of those people (whether here or on fb, etc.) highly motivated by feeling un-listened to, and deep down they all share that motivation. Older folk tend to be the "in-my-truck" vloggers, and younger people tend to just be little shits wherever distance or anonymity gives them a sense of security.
But even people who don't lash out can harbor a huge sense of resentment when they don't believe anyone is listening to them. Take the last US pres election. It might not have been enough to make a difference, but plenty of people were voting (or staying home) because they wanted to punish whomever it was that they felt ignored by.
It makes the speaker feel important when something has made them feel small.
This doesn’t happen.
Oh it does happen. I've had people tell me linux isn't a desktop OS multiple times and they listed ludicrous reasons that either are completely irrelevant or not true for like 10 years.
I've also had people tell me that PHP is a shit programming language and the reasons for them hating it were all outdated for like years or even decades. Once had some kid at a university I gave a lecture tell me "PHP doesn't even have classes wtf how are you coding in that shit?" my man classes were introduced in PHP 5 which was released 22 YEARS ago, you weren't even BORN when PHP5 was released.
Some people just want to hate something. Mostly if it's something that's "competing" with what they're using. And that's especially true in the tech world.
Lol I am the opposite, if some language has classes I will try to avoid them as much as possible
Fair stance, but idk how you keep large codebases structured without some kind of classes man.
"Large codebases"? Pfft, if it hits 6k lines, it's time to scrap it and start over. /hj
Don't need classes to make functions (depending on the language of course).
yeah but then you have hundreds or even thousands of functions within the global namespace, that's fucking terrible to work with and a nightmare for auto completion
Me excited to just now learn PHP has classes now
I had someone tell me you can't do work on Linux... If pretty much the entire internet, your router, your TV, your phone, your NAS, your car etc run on Linux then what is real work? They defined it as content creation and specifically adobe apps which can't argue don't run on Linux, but also are not what I consider "work."
Yep, I heard the same. Theres that animation studio that solely uses Linux. And I explained we work on an enterprise Product Lifecycle software that runs on SUSE or REL and it has high end CAD CAM FEA apps for desktop Linux. I worked on it for many years until Wayland and X11 started to swap which was default, then the parent company halted the GUI version of the software...you can still run the CAD CAM FEA as a headless app for solving and automating workflow, but I'm hoping once Wayland is sorted 100% and they see Linux went from 1% to 5% that they'll drop the GUI back in.
Windows users complain and meme all the time about the linux fandom of the fediverse, which is what I assume OP was referring to.
I'll openly admit that I've made comments that could be interpreted as this comic. That said, I don't hate Linux or look to "dunk on" people, I just see a lot of really uninformed takes about Windows being tossed around and can't help but try to correct people.
Like someone said something abysmally wrong and very confidently, I asked them when the last time they used Windows, and they said it had been over a decade. I get that people pull that sort of thing online all the time, but when I see it it bothers me.
So I end up making the occasional comment defending Windows from blatant misinformation in a Linux thread, or insisting that the Linux experience still isn't as smooth as it needs to be for non-tinkerers.
Usually someone will pop up and call me uninformed or something, which is rich given I've been casually messing with Linux since before USB thumb drives were ubiquitous, and I have a little more than a decade of career experience in IT support and systems admin/engineering/architecture neck deep in a Microsoft environment.
I love Linux and open source software. I want it all to succeed. But Windows does have its place, it is valid for certain use cases, and is not anywhere as awful as it's made out to be. Especially if you have the tech chops to switch to Linux, de-crappify-ing Windows is of comparable difficulty and I have not had any of the supposedly unavoidable Windows issues people regularly cite in around a decade.
Switching to Linux is a more than valid choice, but I hate to see it happen only because someone isn't getting good troubleshooting information for a Windows issue.
I also have a seriously hard time keeping my mouth shut when Linux users claim daily driving a Linux Distro as a smooth process. It is leagues better than it used to be. Mind bogglingly so, and getting smoother every day. But it is still inevitable that you will hit a point of major friction and have to get deep into tinkering, and you will still likely need to make concessions in terms of hardware feature support.
I'm no stranger to tinkering. No stranger to compiling things myself, or even troubleshooting an error all the way down to a specific line of source code and making a PR to correct it.
But I've reached a point in my life where I don't want to be spending hours troubleshooting things that in my mind should "just work". I want more control than Apple offers, and less tinkering than Linux tends to expect.
So I keep up with the Linux space, use it on VMs personally semi-regularly, and maybe once a year give it a serious try as a daily driver. For now, stripped down/customized Windows installs on my gear is more than good enough.
Same here. I’m firmly in the camp of “I wish Linux was better and easier to use.”
I’ll probably get people telling me I’m wrong.
I quite literally just saw a post about liking Windows over Linux on Lemmy today... In fact, one of the comments used a version of this meme in reply.
I saw one today too, so I guess it does happen. You have to wade through a lot of “windows sucks use Linux” posts to find them though.
Windows users generally don’t like windows. Linux has a decent amount of rabid fanboys though.
Someone made a c/linuxsucks somewhere but they banned a shitload of people and then stopped posting so I dunno
They did memes like “imagine using a shitty package manger and having to do all that work when you could just click update and be done”
And I’m not sure if that’s meant to be trolling or tryharding TBH
Is the shitty package manager called "Microsoft Store"?
No he's still posting daily. I just got banned from there for correcting misinformation.
I think the majority of Windows users know you can buy an Apple or a Windows, and that's all they know or care to know. The percentage of Windows users who know enough about Linux to decide they don't like it has got to be pretty low.
On the other hand, most Linux users know the other systems well enough to have a strong preference. This meme should be reversed.
This is some stoptalkingaboutpancakes-tier farfetchery
wait are you saying this is a shitpost
I wish all Linux "poofed" out of existence for exactly 24 hours (and then poofed back effortlessly) so that dummydumbdumbderps could learn just how much their Apple and Windows computers rely on them to ever communicate with any other device on the planet.
"Linux is so bad it even broke the internet for one day. Windows managed to not disappear just fine!"
Yeah, they would be dumb enough to say that I suppose.
Dummydumbdumbderps? Ah the fediverse is such a welcoming place, I really can't understand why it's shedding users constantly
If the fediverse is shedding users, it's because we still haven't figured out a better way to explain federation other than "it's like email", the process of choosing an instance is vague and daunting, the process of moving to a new instance is vague and daunting, and people instance-police incessantly, creating a feeling that you have to choose the correct instance. That, plus the pervasive misogyny that rears its ugly head every once in a while.
I promise you though, people being "unwelcoming" by using silly terms is not why the fediverse is shedding users.
Was curious so I pulled graphs from fedecan. It looks like the fediverse isn't getting many new users per day (possibly because the first rule of Reddit Club is "ban anyone who talks about lemmy"), but active users appears to be mostly steady (with a slight downwards trend).
::: spoiler Graphs:
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Ooh real statistics use on our Lemmy! Thank you bery munch!
That's a really weird thing for a progressive space.
If only I was a woman, I'd fuck those motherfuckers straight out of inceldom.
It's not that weird for a space where the vast majority are men, unfortunately
If that "word" makes you mad, I have words that would harm like doodyhead and fartknocker too!
The comic feels like a preemptive "no u"
Survivorship bias, those that move along don’t really get remembered
My only remaining real problems are:
I find that I just don't really know what I'm doing half the time, and find it difficult to find help at a genuinely practical level. It's either total beginner "This is called the terminal" or assumes you already know exactly what you're doing. Like the installation instructions for something I was looking at was literally "usual cmake build" with absolutely zero elaboration what that means. The other thing I don't like is when you look up how to do something and the answers are always "copy and paste this code" without explaining what any of it is or what it does.
Something else I'm still not at all sure about is where you're supposed to install things. Like at least on Windows I know you just bang everything in "Program files", but now there's bin, etc, home, usr, and whatever else and don't know where you're supposed to actually put things.
Nano is the best and i WILL die on this hill. With an honorerable mention to micro.
kate is my preferred editor
in the terminal i use neovim
Linux is pretty nice.
I have my issues with it, but they’re more on the UI side of things.
I love nixos, I really like Fedora silver blue, and I’m a huge fan of podman — it feels like all the right compromises.
At this point, it’s just insecurity about stuff not working right on Windows now.
To that point:
At the moment, on my dual boot desktop, hardware acceleration and video playback are busted in Chromium browsers on Windows. But it works perfectly fine in Wayland linux. And I don’t really know why.
This is fascinating to me, as the situation was reversed about a year ago.
And if I were Windows only, without years of experience under the belt to make Linux seem less daunting, I’d be feeling anxious about that.
Not that I’m a Linux fanboy: Windows is just better for some specific things. But still, I’m not going to either OS booth to complain.
What the fuck does the threadiverse even want for itself? Do you see yourself as an enshittification-resistant replacement for Reddit, or a communist Linux forum? This comic only makes sense if it's the latter.
Could that be a bit of a hasty reduction to make based on one post in a shitpost comm?
You do realize you can just walk to another stall, right?
Not when all the stalls are just different flavors of Linux!
Sir, this is a shitpost community.
Let 'em vent. And then ignore or educate them, if they're open.
The last week or thereabouts, I have been trying my 2nd migration to Linux. Went with ZorinOS, but ultimately the project failed. This is because there is a lot that isn't hand-holdy enough, or AppImages just not working consistency. If nothing else, I at least a get a fresh start: Windows Enterprise 25h2 GAC via RUFUS + Massgrave, with Shutup10 Premium to set and forget my privacy. Good enough for now.
It isn't ideal, as I suspect an 2nd American Civil War down the line - and MS is likely to side with Dogey America. Hopefully Linux would be more friendly and refined by the time things kick off.
To be completely honest, any OS change does come with some friction, and Linux is certainly no exception. Should you ever try this again. give it two weeks, and you'll learn the best practices.
Until then, good luck with your existing setup!
Honestly thats just cause zorinOS is a dumbsterfire. Sure theres 100s of distros to choose from and a fuck load of them are "professional" projects. But they arn't actually user friendly professional projects. Theres little to no effort or care put into the real world aspects that need to be accounted for to onboard new users.
ZorinOS is great and professional for an already existing user.
Its why valve has had to put so much fucking effort in to get something thats actually viable to market to your avg joe.
Frankly outside of a steamOS, bazzite, and cachyOS. Basically no distro goes to any real length to actually make things new user friendly.
Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora, and many other of the most popular distros are "good enough". They are perfectly functional out of the box as nothing more or less then a useable desktop and web browser. Anything beyond that quickly falls to hit or miss bullshit.
As dumb as it is. The only distros that have actually put the work in to onboard new windows users properly have been the ones with a version targeting the steam deck and gamers.
People who ONLY need a email client are already accounted for after all with stuff like mint. You don't need your computer for anything so anything beyond the basics being VERY polished is pointless.
This guy is AVIS from Phoronix forums
I don't hate Linux, it's the people who use Linux that are the worst