It would depend on the situation I think. We just have a story to go on here and no direct awareness of the events as they unfolded. In your scenarios there's a different degree and intent in actions and reactions. But if I had to put down some general morality I would probably settle on equal, non excessive, reactions to establish personal boundaries. This entirely depends on the individual subjects though. One could have neurological or intellectual disorders for example.
This is literally the most polarised comment section I've seen. Both sides of the argument for and against the killing are getting downvotes out the wazoo
I don't think so. It's my food and if a seagull comes in to steal it it's getting smacked away. It is the way of life. You think a different animal would let a seagull steal its food? I doubt it. And my benevolence only stretches so far.
Beating it to death is 'overkill' though if your intention was simply to 'make it sorry'.
Tbh, reading this thread it seems like a lot of people don't feel able to pull their punch accurately enough to both make a seagull regret taking your food and not injure it in the process.
I mean, if you're really angry, and you've physically caught it, what's wrong with screaming in it's face then throwing it into the air. It'll be off like a bat out of hell after that.
But at the end of the day, it's a bit of food, not even worth doing the above either but I guess it depends on your anger management skills.
No, my downvote is not cruel. You are engaging in absurdity and frivolity to distract yourself because you are not willing to emotionally process what is actually a very difficult topic, one's own cruelty and violence. Like a child, you just say whatever obvious nonsense comes to mind. The content of what you say isn't important, as long as it functions as a distraction.
Whether or not it's "the only way" does not attempt to refute my point that it harms the person doing it. There is a cost. That's just more misdirection.
Ultimately you will "win" every argument this way, because bad speech is cheaper than good speech, and you can just keep saying nonsense until the problem goes away. Congratulations, you found the loophole to never having to have a real thought.
You can't do that? I thought it was pretty badass, actually.
I'm an animal lover, but seagulls are a different story. They're the MAGAs of the bird world, and it's okay to smack one around if you catch one stealing from you.
I grew up around the great salt lake where there are hordes of these mother fuckers, if you don’t despise them as the devil spawn that they are then you’ve never had to deal with them. I love animals, but I would support a seagull specific genocide.
Nah they're protected species in the UK. Idk what the law looks like elsewhere. It does seem a little cruel to punch the bird and it not die and then leave it to go wander off and die from its internal injuries. I'd have more respect it dude just broke its neck and have it a quick death.
Kind of reminds me of Canadian geese in the USA, I wish I could kill those bastards but they're protected. I don't know if it's possible to get a license to kill them or not, depends on how they're protected and the legislation around it - I'm too lazy to bother with any of that and don't hunt so wouldn't go through the hoops anyways. Those things are a menace and mean as hell a lot of times but you just live with it.
I'm curious now though if the USA has protections for seagulls or not.
Seagulls and most other gull birds are not protected under federal law, however disrupting/modifying wildlife of any kind (including seagulls) without a permit is illegal. However on a state level some do protect many gulls including seagulls while also controlling their population to reduce nuisance.
Then you have places like Florida, where seagulls are not even protected under the local animal cruelty act. You could torture them for being the scavenger animals they are and not get into any trouble at all. It’s really sickening.
I'm not an ornithologist and have no idea how many species of gulls there are or whether they're all protected, but yes a number of gulls, if not all, are protected in the US by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 plus various amendments. There's a list here:
As someone from Florida, this is a true, but once you have been the victim of, or seen families become victims of, a swarm of these assholes, you can understand people reacting violently. As another commenter said: I disagree, but I understand. For me personally, when I would go to the beach, if I saw 30+ seagulls sitting on the beach, I'd tell the kids "sorry, not today" and we'd leave. They are that bad.
We’re also from Florida (as a young kid) and yeah they can get bad, but they weren’t terrible. Though we also didn’t eat at the beach far as we can remember.
If it’s gotten worse than when we last remember that’s insane
... Why do you have this need to harm animals for behaving like animals? Did your mother not love you or something?
Seriously, you think it's normal wanting to kill animals just because something a few of them did annoyed you?
They didn't attack you
They didn't shit all over you
And even if they did... It's animals doing their thing, just let them. Whatever you think these birds did to you I guarantee you that humanity has treated them a hundred times worse. If anything, birds do have a reason to kill us
You coincidentally made all the same arguments a Jainist would make (with different phrasing and exasperation of course) so I joking said I found the Jainist.
I was mugged by a gang of gulls in California. One swooped in and kicked over my fries, then the rest rushed in to grab what they could. A family at the next table rescued me. "Circle the wagons," the dad said.
I dunno, I am a bit old and sinewy to be honest. You probably want to cannibalize someone a bit tastier. Perhaps if you slow cook me it would turn out better.
Fine, your children then. IDC, whatever, life is meaningless to people like you and me when sensory pleasure is involved. Serve them up, yum. I love your children.
Exploiting the body of a vulnerable individual and causing them grievous harm because it feels good to you has a lot of names, and they all apply to you.
Oof not sure how we got from harming a seagull to killing and eating children. Seems like an unnecessary escalation.
Not sure why I am getting so much animosity here as my reply was pretty much a joke. But sure, all that is bad is me and you are a saint for talking about killing and eating my children. Cheers!
Seems like a somewhat bad idea. US law enforcement don't get punished for murdering US citizens. They probably wouldn't care about using overly aggressive tactics for even benign situations.
I'm sure some of them are but they're an entire subfamily with dozens of genus and hundreds of species. Considering some are seemingly more common than rats, the chance he plucked an endangered one out of the air and punched it is really low.
Good guess, but wide of the mark. While few species are on the red list, literally all wild birds in the UK are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.
The people that are self righteous here should reevaluate eating meat if they eat meat. Most of your arguments could be made against butchering animals for food.
I don't agree, but I understand
Shoudinta pinched me chip
psycho behavior.
Absolutely. It's fucking unhinged.
Thank you! Somebody said it
yeah its something where me and my friends would be laughing so hard.
GASP!
To be fair you could probably one punch a seagull and one punch seems completely reasonable for something stealing your pastry.
Animal cruelty is a sign of psychopathy. You're probably kidding, but the idea triggers me a little
I can't bear it, would you please clutch my pearls for me?
Watched The Lighthouse one time too much eh?
yep, alas this comment section is a goldmine to block overly violent men.
Blockemall I says!
Hey, so your comments so far have been inflammatory and egging on, with a clear disregard for the actual situation unfolding.
I did appreciate some of your posts in the past, thus why I write this, but alas, you're included.
HAHAHAHAHA!
Oh shush, don't you know she's oppressed?
Man's justified
Sometimes I think guys just aren't aware that you can't just kill things for stealing your chip
Sometimes I think you guys need to just be able to joke about shit.
Weird day on Lemmy when animal murder is being celebrated.
Killing animals (without eating them) is serial killer shit.
Eh, factory farming is messed up too even if you eat the bodies.
How do you know he didn’t eat it?
If any animal fucks around, they have to expect to find out. Feels like a golden rule situation.
this community's mod officially approves of bigotry against people for their gender so I'm removing this comments content
It would depend on the situation I think. We just have a story to go on here and no direct awareness of the events as they unfolded. In your scenarios there's a different degree and intent in actions and reactions. But if I had to put down some general morality I would probably settle on equal, non excessive, reactions to establish personal boundaries. This entirely depends on the individual subjects though. One could have neurological or intellectual disorders for example.
I always did think hippos had a serial killer quality
You haven’t had to deal with seagulls and it shows.
DEATH TO ANIMALS!
This is literally the most polarised comment section I've seen. Both sides of the argument for and against the killing are getting downvotes out the wazoo
There: 🫴🔪
Pick your side.
I am for smacking the seagulls. One smack is enough. Beating it to death or slamming into a wall is overkill.
It's still senseless, while being willfully cruel and violent; it's just a smaller magnitude in the same wrong direction.
I don't think so. It's my food and if a seagull comes in to steal it it's getting smacked away. It is the way of life. You think a different animal would let a seagull steal its food? I doubt it. And my benevolence only stretches so far.
The situation isn't that a gull is trying to take your stuff, it is that they already have and the person is seeking revenge.
There's 'smacked away' and then there is 'repeatedly punched so hard that it's chest cavity caves in' though.
Did you not read my original comment? I am against reducing the seagull to a pulp.
Yes, I was just pointing out that the dude in the article didn't just 'smack away' the seagul, so we agree.
I'm thinking I worded my reply badly, making it sound like a counterpoint when it wasn't.
Oh, absolutely.
Beating it to death is 'overkill' though if your intention was simply to 'make it sorry'.
Tbh, reading this thread it seems like a lot of people don't feel able to pull their punch accurately enough to both make a seagull regret taking your food and not injure it in the process.
I mean, if you're really angry, and you've physically caught it, what's wrong with screaming in it's face then throwing it into the air. It'll be off like a bat out of hell after that.
But at the end of the day, it's a bit of food, not even worth doing the above either but I guess it depends on your anger management skills.
You underestimate the resilience of wild animals. A slap will only do them good.
It always harms us when we engage in cruelty and violence.
Nah man sometimes that's the only common language.
BTW your downvote is cruel.
No, my downvote is not cruel. You are engaging in absurdity and frivolity to distract yourself because you are not willing to emotionally process what is actually a very difficult topic, one's own cruelty and violence. Like a child, you just say whatever obvious nonsense comes to mind. The content of what you say isn't important, as long as it functions as a distraction.
Whether or not it's "the only way" does not attempt to refute my point that it harms the person doing it. There is a cost. That's just more misdirection.
Ultimately you will "win" every argument this way, because bad speech is cheaper than good speech, and you can just keep saying nonsense until the problem goes away. Congratulations, you found the loophole to never having to have a real thought.
On the other hand: It will never steal anything ever again.
Okay, Ender Wiggin.
I hate to be that guy but beating it to death is 'kill'.
Beating it to death, then continuing to beat it some more... that is 'overkill'
No, its a message to its friends.
40 bucks on the monkey in the blue fez!
I always forget how heated stuff about seagulls get. I do hope some people are just playing into the bit, because otherwise…
I'm fer it.
I'm again' it.
But I'm fer it.
You can't do that? I thought it was pretty badass, actually.
I'm an animal lover, but seagulls are a different story. They're the MAGAs of the bird world, and it's okay to smack one around if you catch one stealing from you.
lol
That's... a wild take.
EDIT: Yeah, I guess they are.
I grew up around the great salt lake where there are hordes of these mother fuckers, if you don’t despise them as the devil spawn that they are then you’ve never had to deal with them. I love animals, but I would support a seagull specific genocide.
Wow, that got dark quick. From fuck seagulls to genocide in the blink of an eye.
They drew first blood… they drew first blood…
See, this guy gets it. [Fist bump]
How so exactly? Super loud, consume garbage, annoy everybody, nobody likes them. Seems fairly accurate.
Okay. You've convinced me!
Would you say it's..... Unhinged?
Nah they're protected species in the UK. Idk what the law looks like elsewhere. It does seem a little cruel to punch the bird and it not die and then leave it to go wander off and die from its internal injuries. I'd have more respect it dude just broke its neck and have it a quick death.
Kind of reminds me of Canadian geese in the USA, I wish I could kill those bastards but they're protected. I don't know if it's possible to get a license to kill them or not, depends on how they're protected and the legislation around it - I'm too lazy to bother with any of that and don't hunt so wouldn't go through the hoops anyways. Those things are a menace and mean as hell a lot of times but you just live with it.
I'm curious now though if the USA has protections for seagulls or not.
Yes, all types of gulls are protected by US federal law.
Seagulls and most other gull birds are not protected under federal law, however disrupting/modifying wildlife of any kind (including seagulls) without a permit is illegal. However on a state level some do protect many gulls including seagulls while also controlling their population to reduce nuisance.
Then you have places like Florida, where seagulls are not even protected under the local animal cruelty act. You could torture them for being the scavenger animals they are and not get into any trouble at all. It’s really sickening.
I'm not an ornithologist and have no idea how many species of gulls there are or whether they're all protected, but yes a number of gulls, if not all, are protected in the US by the Migratory Bird Treaty Act of 1918 plus various amendments. There's a list here:
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-50/chapter-I/subchapter-B/part-10/subpart-B/section-10.13
Fair, but seagulls are not migratory and aren’t in the list far as we see (unless we’re blind)
As someone from Florida, this is a true, but once you have been the victim of, or seen families become victims of, a swarm of these assholes, you can understand people reacting violently. As another commenter said: I disagree, but I understand. For me personally, when I would go to the beach, if I saw 30+ seagulls sitting on the beach, I'd tell the kids "sorry, not today" and we'd leave. They are that bad.
We’re also from Florida (as a young kid) and yeah they can get bad, but they weren’t terrible. Though we also didn’t eat at the beach far as we can remember.
If it’s gotten worse than when we last remember that’s insane
What? Why? There are literal flock of seagulls. We ain't gonna run out of em.
Exactly! Are fucking rats protected under federal law now too?
See the slush fund and current administration
I ran. I ran so far away.
In Denmark they're everywhere in the cities too, only thing more frequent then these shitbirds is rats.
In seattle seagulls are rain forcasters. When you hear their cries, rain is usually on the way within an hour or two.
Well there goes my dreams of building the ultimate gull crushing machine :(
You can hunt Canadian geese in Canada ironically. They're apparently not bad eating and the bag limit is 2-4 depending on which province.
yes but you can only hunt them ironically.
True. The nonironic bag limit is 0
Oi!
... Why do you have this need to harm animals for behaving like animals? Did your mother not love you or something?
Seriously, you think it's normal wanting to kill animals just because something a few of them did annoyed you?
They didn't attack you
They didn't shit all over you
And even if they did... It's animals doing their thing, just let them. Whatever you think these birds did to you I guarantee you that humanity has treated them a hundred times worse. If anything, birds do have a reason to kill us
Found the Jainist
The what now?
Jainism
You coincidentally made all the same arguments a Jainist would make (with different phrasing and exasperation of course) so I joking said I found the Jainist.
You forget, we are animals. And deep inside we still have those primal moments. Where don't fuck with my chip or I'll fuck you into the afterlife.
Why are you trying to lecture that animal about animals? Did he shit all over you?
Seagulls are essentially rats in sailor suits, except a LOT more aggressive.
So killing sea gulls is fine because you personally don't like them.
I don't like you very much, do i now get a go at you? Come on, that is dumb reasoning
So you're not really an animal lover
Some animals are more equal than others
But you want to treat some animals as though they have no moral value whatsoever.
The gall of using Orwell for your self-deluding sophistry
Mostly mammals.
I was mugged by a gang of gulls in California. One swooped in and kicked over my fries, then the rest rushed in to grab what they could. A family at the next table rescued me. "Circle the wagons," the dad said.
written with the flesh of vulnerable individuals still rotting between your teeth
They have good taste, that is why they love them.
You taste exactly the same to me.
I dunno, I am a bit old and sinewy to be honest. You probably want to cannibalize someone a bit tastier. Perhaps if you slow cook me it would turn out better.
Fine, your children then. IDC, whatever, life is meaningless to people like you and me when sensory pleasure is involved. Serve them up, yum. I love your children.
Exploiting the body of a vulnerable individual and causing them grievous harm because it feels good to you has a lot of names, and they all apply to you.
Oof not sure how we got from harming a seagull to killing and eating children. Seems like an unnecessary escalation.
Not sure why I am getting so much animosity here as my reply was pretty much a joke. But sure, all that is bad is me and you are a saint for talking about killing and eating my children. Cheers!
Isn't this a sign of early psychopaths? To kill animals without remorse.
No, they go looking for them.
Crime of passion
The Passion of the Gull
This is a sort of energy we need to be bringing to the US World cup. Give the cops something to really worry about.
Seems like a somewhat bad idea. US law enforcement don't get punished for murdering US citizens. They probably wouldn't care about using overly aggressive tactics for even benign situations.
...just like seagulls, the lot'ofem!
rats with wings
Rats ain't nearly as loud about being a pest
I nearly stamped on one of the wankers after it nicked my icecream yesterday
Nah that's on you. If you let it you let your guard down, that's stolen fair and square. Git gud noob, bet you couldn't even catch one, fatass.
Seagull fucked around and found out.
Imagine getting seriously mad about a seagull...
They are a protected species, you know
I'm sure some of them are but they're an entire subfamily with dozens of genus and hundreds of species. Considering some are seemingly more common than rats, the chance he plucked an endangered one out of the air and punched it is really low.
Good guess, but wide of the mark. While few species are on the red list, literally all wild birds in the UK are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981.
They wanna live they better snatch someone elses chip mate
They can have mine, I could stand to skip a few
They can't. They ded.
:(
If we’re talking Michigan pasties, then not only is it justified it’s moral
Good riddance. Fucking birds should've gone extinct sixty-five million years ago with the rest of their misbegotten ilk.
Inferiority complex.
well he's roit now innit
The people that are self righteous here should reevaluate eating meat if they eat meat. Most of your arguments could be made against butchering animals for food.
Oh but that cruelty is outsourced, you see, that makes it "civilised"
This is the most fun comment section in ages!
"MINE!"
Don't steal my food unless you're prepared to taste defeat.
Gonna serve up a knuckle sandwich with a side of just desserts.
Was he intending to get it to cough the pasty back up so he could eat it or something?
National hero.
Yes. A big fuck you to seagulls, and the half frogs that feed them. With love, NJ. While we're at it, genocide for all mosquitoes.