China's first credible gaming GPU sells 30,000 units in 48 hours, despite RTX 3060-level performance
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Open source the drivers and you will get better performance.
Then they won't be able to hide the spyware as easily.
(NB: pure speculation, I have no evidence other than historical Chinese backdoors and spyware).
(Oop. Rustled some lemmy.ml jimmies)
Chinese spyware or American backdoors...
Or Russian Malware or Israeli Brut force tools
Like the cologne?
Nah, that's unlikely. They don't have to hide it, or care if anyone knows.
Customers were blindly buying AMD and Nvidia without a care in the world, why hesitate over "oh wait, my propaganda" because the chips are made across the street lmao?
Yeah, open sinophobia straight from the 1800s does tend to "rustle some jimmies."
Sure they can, just put it in a blob! It's fine for AMD and nVidia!
At this point I don't even care.
Distrust but verify.
It's early in the morning and I was like huh, I read:
China's first edible gaming CPU
We switched from TSMC to Frito-Lay and passed the savings on to you!
What kinda chip you got in there, a Dorito?
You waxing your modem trying to make it go faster?
Me too!
- braindead AOL'er
They're dorito flavored
They're called computer chips for a reason
Kinda wild that the 3060 and the 5060 (the currently sold model) have similar performance, but the headlines always compare to the older discontinued one
https://www.techpowerup.com/review/msi-geforce-rtx-5060-gaming-oc/33.html
There's ~30% performance difference between them.
There is a 5 year gap between the cards.. and with the 5060 being an 8GB card, it might actually perform worse than the 3060 in vram limited scenarios
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cElzi6wNfn4
Daniel's video on this is really good. It is a question worth asking depending on the games and settings you use to play those games.
Daniel is a real one that is for sure, thankfully ram requirements have not gone up much in the last decade because I am still using a 16GB AM4 system with a 9070 XT for obvious reasons
What about energy efficiency?
You do realize they're only going to get better.
So will the competitors.
Exactly. So there is now another choice for gaming cards, which rules.
Doesn't matter tho if they stop producing consumer grade stuff lol. Chinas GPUs are produced using domestically produced chips, afaik. And if China won't use them solely for AI as well, I think they can have a good chance to fill the gap of consumer grade GPUs left by nvidia, Intel and AMD. At least for the low and midrange GPUs.
What competitors? nvdAI? AImd? AIntel?
I mean, building hardware for efficient inference and building gaming GPUs is more or less the same thing. Get better at one thing, get better at the other. It’s not like the US companies aren’t innovating, they’re just optimising for one thing.
If that was true, Ford and GM would be the best in the world
You are saying AMD, NVIDIA and Intel aren’t the best in the world at designing chips? TSMC definitely has the best for manufacture, and ARM definitely is in the top league, but clearly the US companies are no slouches.
Until they put 100%+ tariffs on them making it more expensive than the existing industry because it would cost too much for them to compete.
Just look at why the US can't get chinese EVs and how mich lower performance and higher prices we have.
So much for a "free market." Not in my monopolies!
You clearly don't understand the basics of the ecosystem if you try to rank a fab among designers
Competition as last
Not really. You’d be better off buying an Arc card.
Nice, the 3060 is still very capable. Shame about Nvidia and their Cuda monopoly though.
3060 level performance? Pathetic!
Glances at 11 year old GPU
ZLUDA is still actively developed https://github.com/vosen/ZLUDA
Sure, but support is spotty at best.
Yeah, but if Chinese companies get serious about getting into the chip game, that's a pretty good foundation to build on already.
It’s focused on ML inference now, TBH its not very fast, and it’s still vendor dependent.
I love the effort, but it’s not a fix to much yet.
It is a base that you can build on though which is a lot easier than starting from scratch.
The rtx 3060 is a fine gpu in 2026. Can it play modern aaa games in 4k ultra setting? No. But people just want cheap gpu's back no one wants to pay half a grand for an entry level card.
Im still gaming on a 3060 and can even the most modern games at 1080p low/med settings.
better than i expected, actually. software issues and optimization aside, they might be a couple of gens from pretty good. i wonder how they will be able to scale up production now.
as i remember, they are using an old process in a new way to get euv performance, but that's cutting on yields, right?
I'm guessing it'll take a year or two for that to get ironed out. The nice thing about the tau folding process Huawei came up with is that it's complimentary with euv. So, once Chinese companies do master it, their chips will be that much better.
Man I'd love to be able to mesh around with the gaming scene in China.
You’d need a VPN to form a mesh.
What’s stopping you?
Knowledge mostly the rest is probably time but mostly knowledge. I know just enough tech wise but not nearly enough to be helpful.
Is 30,000 a lot for China? I feel like it might not be.
Also this is kind of the bottom line: "The LX 7G100 remains a poor buy for anyone chasing performance per dollar..."
I expect the costs will come down once they scale up production.
My feelings:
Neat.
Future is interesting.
But proof is not in the puddin’ yet.
It’s easy to say “they’ll scale it up. They’ll get to optimizing the software,” but I’ve seen waaay too many hardware makers mess up that step, and fade into the vast graveyard of their peers.
Like, does anyone remember Centaur’s exciting, 8 core x86 CPUs, with a huge block for ML inference, from about a decade ago?
https://chipsandcheese.com/p/via-part-4-a-deep-dive-into-centaurs-last-cpu-core-cns
It was competitive with Zen 1, not even counting the accelerator.
The answer is “probably not.” Even the Wikichip Fuse writeups on the architecture are gone.
I mean China has a proven track record of scaling stuff up once they decide to do something. Look at solar and EVs as two examples. Having sovereign supply chains for computing is obviously recognized as a top priority in China now, so there is every reason to expect that a lot of resources will be poured into making that happen at state level.
That’s a lot of vagueness though.
I’m interested in something physical. Something I could buy, that could realistically upgrade an Arc B580 in (say) indie games, or KCDII, or llama.cpp.
This is nowhere close yet.
And I dont doubt they’re getting investment, but I’m just skeptical because I’ve seen this story a hundred times before, even in China. And even then, what’s promised to be general hardware often evolves into something for a very nich need. As a recent example, see Tenstorrent.
I mean all we can do is wait and see, but there's nothing magical about this tech, and the geopolitical situation today is very different from what it was in the past. It's not like Chinese people are too dumb to build a GPU, it's that there was no real reason to push this tech hard before when you could just buy these chips from NVIDIA. Now that the US is actively trying to cut China off, there's a reason to make this stuff work. Just look at how rapidly Huawei phones improved and how much progress Huawei is making with their chips in just past few years. Why shouldn't this happen with other types of chips going forward?