Wasn't the "bigger" argument that it was trans people? And then there was news about the shooter allegedly having a trans partner (no idea if it was ever confirmed or not).
and grifting, and railing against the people who were funding him. his antisemitism was becoming problematic for his backer of TPUSA. most notabally hosting tucker carlson on his shows,interviews.
The point he was making is that the vast majority of violence in America takes place in gang warfare, and if you're not in a gang, it is far less of a personal concern than it might otherwise appear. I know this because it's a common one that these kind of people make all the time.
It's a bad point because it basically implies that gang violence doesn't matter.
Indeed. It's a common dogwhistle the conservative talking heads have entrenched in modern discourse. Obviously, white gangs exist, but the act of mentioning gang violence while talking to a predominantly young, white crowd will water the seed in their mind that the other is the problem.
Take a look at any Fox News segment that covers gang violence. Guarantee any mugshots or arrest videos shown during such segments do not show ANY white detainees. It's deliberate. If they ever show a white person arrested, they will absolutely frame the segment differently, and won't utter that phrase.
Since the "war on drugs" designed to target minorities is less effective now, they branched out to calling it the war on gang violence.
Naw are you serious? Kirk was asked how many mass shootings occurred in the last 10 years and he responded briefly with counting or not counting gang violence bs.
Regardless, what in the world made you feel the need to gaslight us about it being a trans specific question that preceded the shooting. Also total bullshit on your part.
In the run up to that question they were discussing trans mass shooters, then the questionnaire pivoted to mass shootings in general (to show that trans shooters are a tiny tiny minority) which Kirk then tried deflecting by asking about gang or non-gang related shootings.
Theoretically I'm sure some trans people are in gangs, especially given how v coding probably heavily pressures trans prisoners into prison gangs, but as someone who's known a ton of trans people I feel we're disproportionately likely not to be perpetrating gang violence all else being equal
He was spewing trite for nearly 10. Also people keep trying to martyr him and name shit after him, the best way to pull the power from a myth is to make fun of it.
You're upset that people are happy someone who advocated to the death of trans people, who advocated for school shootings, and wanted more guns in America died to being shot in the neck. Sorry your Internet friend bled out in real time for everyone to see, but the world got a little bit better with his blood spilling out on that Utah concrete.
Charlie’s death taught me one thing. I too agree it's worth to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment, because some aren’t unfortunate.
a roommate, and one that doesnt even live with him anymore. also consider his idol was NICK fuentes who was allegedly into trans porn(but he is in the closet)
I won't forget the 24 hours after when all I saw were people celebrating his murder and people literally trying to convince Republicans to start murdering Democrats. Then they realized they could get people fired for showing the wrong emotion and all the murder talk simmered down.
So people got fired for being happy a prick died. But to my knowledge, nobody was fired for trying to get people to commit murder.
So people got fired for being happy a prick died. But to my knowledge, nobody was fired for trying to get people to commit murder.
In Trump's America, they should be glad ICE didn't track them down, break into their home at night and just shoot them while asleep in their beds.
This type of thing hasn't been reported anywhere, but given they're willing to murder peaceful citizens with impunity in full view of the public I'm willing to speculate the shit going on we don't know about is SO much worse.
So, this is terrifying to think about. Because honestly, I think they're too incompetent to keep stuff hidden. And he's generally not interested in secret stuff. He wants to be a loud dictator where people don't question him, rather than getting away with something he shouldn't do. In his mind, there's nothing he shouldn't do.
But we know that if something happens off camera, people generally don't care. So what happens when the next person takes advantage of that apathy.
It's so tragic that he made himself an absolute piece of shit who got what he deserved. This and Luigi are two wonderful examples of people on the internet responding enthusiastically to events that make them feel good for quite obvious reasons.
Thus far, the comments are spot on. I highly doubt the US justice system will find out who really pulled the trigger or pressed the button detonating his microphone? Anyway, Kirk was a complete racist POS.
Supposedly gun experts don't think the rifle used matches the shot by any means. I've heard it from a few places as an egregious discrepancy, and the theory ultimately points to everyone's favorite country which he was beginning to turn against.
Nothing surprises me anymore in this fucked up timeline so tbh I didn't research it myself
Not to take away from the hilarity of that meme but the bullet in his neck didn't match the gun they said was the shooters. Somebody else killed him...
I believe you got that wrong. I believe the test came up inconclusive, which is phrased as "could not show a match" or something similar, and it does not mean "definitely not that gun".
Kinda yes, kinda no. At the very least a caliber can be determined with some accuracy (like, you can tell it's at least a .30 cal bullet but may not know if that came from a 300blk or .308 since they use the same bullet with different casings/powder charges, then however you may be able to deduce further based on the wound patterns but I'm not an expert really.
Matching the bullet to the specific gun down to the serial number is a bit of nonsense though, to some degree the striations may match up like on TV but that'd be able to be hidden by taking a wire brush down the barrel or just shooting a bunch more rounds through it. That said, idk, maybe since the story is "one bullet fired, rifle found in woods, next bullet was ballistics testing," maybe it's more credible?
In any case, there's more questions than just the bullet "matching" (whatever that would mean in this context, be it striations or caliber), supposedly he climbed on the roof, assembled the rifle, took his shot, and then the video footage of him running across the roof. But in that footage he has no rifle, he runs, tosses his bag, follows it down, and keeps running. Where did the rifle go? Did he take it back down and stash it in the ~6sec it took between the shot and him moving? Doubtful. And supposedly he left his screwdriver up there, how then is it taken down in the bag in the footage then found assembled in a box in the woods if the screwdriver he needed to use for that was still on the roof? And supposedly it was a 30-06 rifle, a round powerful enough to go through an elk at 2x+ the (iirc) ~150yd distance, and Charlie caught it in one of the softest parts in the human body "because he's superman actually." Fucking ok, for sure, you betcha.
I'm confused. Is this thread supposed to be sarcastic?
There's a certain point where low-brow satire simply becomes more of the same cesspool of vitriol it criticises and this thread feels a lot like that.
You don't need to put every thought out into the world. And you don't need to amplify every instance of someone posting their inside thoughts by making an online collage of them.
It was worth it for him, to get shot, so that we can own guns. I'm just happy he's happy
And no one is happier than his wife.
Do you think the couch fucker was already banging her while his body was still warm?
Dude I think he was banging her while his body was still pumping blood.
Sparkly pants suit? Check.
Acting like an angry theater kid 24/7? Check.
Telling women that they shouldn't be getting degrees or careers (whole having both)? Check and fucking check!
Worth it for me, too. I'm entirely wiling to sacrifice Mr. Charlie so that I can own guns.
hypocritical reps...
Under a giant banner that read "Prove me wrong". Sometimes the stars align and deliver cosmic irony that no writer can compete with.
His last word was "violence" 😬
Respectfully, his last words were 'gurgrlrlrlr'. Smartest thing ever ever said.
I mean we can blame the stars or one man’s excellent planning and comedic timing.
Literally, the irony cannot be outdone. It was so perfect.
I don't like AI or saving/sharing AI images, but I made an exception for this one.
hes a smoker now.
Bruh.
that was literally her reaction after he died.
this is how I mourn ok?
I was in a doctor's office waiting room when it happened and I'm not the slightest bit ashamed to say that I felt pure elation. Unfiltered joy.
Wasn't the "bigger" argument that it was trans people? And then there was news about the shooter allegedly having a trans partner (no idea if it was ever confirmed or not).
Almost makes it better honestly
He was asked what portion of gun crimes were by trans people, and he retorted with "are we counting gang violence?"
So he was losing an argument about trans people and was trying to shift to blaming black people.
Charlie died the way he lived. Spewing bullshit.
Brainfart you mean?
I'll see myself out
and grifting, and railing against the people who were funding him. his antisemitism was becoming problematic for his backer of TPUSA. most notabally hosting tucker carlson on his shows,interviews.
Equating gang violence with black people is racist as shit.
Admittedly that dog whistle was an assumption I made. He didn't finish his thought.
The point he was making is that the vast majority of violence in America takes place in gang warfare, and if you're not in a gang, it is far less of a personal concern than it might otherwise appear. I know this because it's a common one that these kind of people make all the time.
It's a bad point because it basically implies that gang violence doesn't matter.
E: downvotes for explanation, I guess?
It's also false
I mean it's pretty true if you don't count suicides and if you know that the police are just a legalized gang.
I'd bet good money that gun violence by police is a pretty big chunk of the total.
Sometimes Lemmings don’t read the whole comment and assume your answering a question is the same as if you were personally proselytizing.
Indeed. It's a common dogwhistle the conservative talking heads have entrenched in modern discourse. Obviously, white gangs exist, but the act of mentioning gang violence while talking to a predominantly young, white crowd will water the seed in their mind that the other is the problem.
Take a look at any Fox News segment that covers gang violence. Guarantee any mugshots or arrest videos shown during such segments do not show ANY white detainees. It's deliberate. If they ever show a white person arrested, they will absolutely frame the segment differently, and won't utter that phrase.
Since the "war on drugs" designed to target minorities is less effective now, they branched out to calling it the war on gang violence.
All those trans gang members out there committing gun crimes! Why ... there's probably nearly half a dozen of them in the country!
Naw are you serious? Kirk was asked how many mass shootings occurred in the last 10 years and he responded briefly with counting or not counting gang violence bs.
Regardless, what in the world made you feel the need to gaslight us about it being a trans specific question that preceded the shooting. Also total bullshit on your part.
In the run up to that question they were discussing trans mass shooters, then the questionnaire pivoted to mass shootings in general (to show that trans shooters are a tiny tiny minority) which Kirk then tried deflecting by asking about gang or non-gang related shootings.
Theoretically I'm sure some trans people are in gangs, especially given how v coding probably heavily pressures trans prisoners into prison gangs, but as someone who's known a ton of trans people I feel we're disproportionately likely not to be perpetrating gang violence all else being equal
We extend to Kirk in death the grace he granted others in life.
I'm terribly sorry for getting the exact wording of his deflection wrong, and only nailing the message of his frequently employed bad faith argument.
I bet he'll get over it.
Because it was fucking hilarious.
He was spewing trite for nearly 10. Also people keep trying to martyr him and name shit after him, the best way to pull the power from a myth is to make fun of it.
Still too soon?
I hope it upsets you that I got joy out of watching him die.
Because the world celebrated when that piece of shit died, and you're still here simping for him.
You're upset that people are happy someone who advocated to the death of trans people, who advocated for school shootings, and wanted more guns in America died to being shot in the neck. Sorry your Internet friend bled out in real time for everyone to see, but the world got a little bit better with his blood spilling out on that Utah concrete.
Charlie’s death taught me one thing. I too agree it's worth to have a cost of some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment, because some aren’t unfortunate.
I mean I'm sure he'd be fine with that collateral damage but his whole "gang violence negates white mass shooters" was an argument he repeated often.
a roommate, and one that doesnt even live with him anymore. also consider his idol was NICK fuentes who was allegedly into trans porn(but he is in the closet)
Totally changed his mind.
Deoxygenation is a type of change. He should have been more specific.
Hey man, nice shot.
Great. Now that's stuck in my head.
Good shot, man.
Song about different gun related event, tho.
Do we all forget that they were going to lynch anyone who said anything disagreeable on social media? They made a tracking site and everything.
I won't forget the 24 hours after when all I saw were people celebrating his murder and people literally trying to convince Republicans to start murdering Democrats. Then they realized they could get people fired for showing the wrong emotion and all the murder talk simmered down.
So people got fired for being happy a prick died. But to my knowledge, nobody was fired for trying to get people to commit murder.
In Trump's America, they should be glad ICE didn't track them down, break into their home at night and just shoot them while asleep in their beds.
This type of thing hasn't been reported anywhere, but given they're willing to murder peaceful citizens with impunity in full view of the public I'm willing to speculate the shit going on we don't know about is SO much worse.
So, this is terrifying to think about. Because honestly, I think they're too incompetent to keep stuff hidden. And he's generally not interested in secret stuff. He wants to be a loud dictator where people don't question him, rather than getting away with something he shouldn't do. In his mind, there's nothing he shouldn't do.
But we know that if something happens off camera, people generally don't care. So what happens when the next person takes advantage of that apathy.
His last words were "including or not including gang violence"?
The irony
a mormon kid that the right, and erika kirk refuses to BLAME at all, because it ruins their narrative that its a "leftist that shot him".
It's so tragic that he made himself an absolute piece of shit who got what he deserved. This and Luigi are two wonderful examples of people on the internet responding enthusiastically to events that make them feel good for quite obvious reasons.
Thus far, the comments are spot on. I highly doubt the US justice system will find out who really pulled the trigger or pressed the button detonating his microphone? Anyway, Kirk was a complete racist POS.
TThis guy said compassion was a weakness.
I forgot what his unedited head looked like.
Wait, that's unedited?
Was there any truth in the exploding mic theory?
Wait, this one is new to me, what's the exploding mic theory?
Supposedly gun experts don't think the rifle used matches the shot by any means. I've heard it from a few places as an egregious discrepancy, and the theory ultimately points to everyone's favorite country which he was beginning to turn against.
Nothing surprises me anymore in this fucked up timeline so tbh I didn't research it myself
a mic wouldnt do much damage to the neck. you would see shrapnel slicing his skin, not a through and through shot and a perfect hole.
his vocal chords exploded
Yes.
Not officially, of course.
Officially, I'm afraid you sound like a moron.
How's work?
Please direct me to resources. I fail to comprehend how an exploding lapel mic can cause a bullet-shaped perforation in one’s neck.
Whoa you know the shape of the perforation?!
You know more than me, then.
You tell us.
I’m asking in earnest. The credibility of your argument depends on your provision of evidence!
Learn to use Google, bud. The world doesn't work for you.
You’re no fun, go back to Reddit chum!
Want your research done for you, AND think you decide where people can post?
😆
I didn't you were the big boss here, top-dog.
lol fuck google
Who is this guy?
*was
Erika Kirk, that you?
she was cosplaying as sonya blade.
Charlie Kirk, was a big proponent of gun ownership but got shot not too long ago
Live Charlie Kirk reaction:
It certainly won't be any worse for him.
It's so trite, how he was always making a big spectacle out of gun violence.
I don't understand the title.
This is totally in the wrong community, yeah. Good stuff, though.
Not to take away from the hilarity of that meme but the bullet in his neck didn't match the gun they said was the shooters. Somebody else killed him...
I believe you got that wrong. I believe the test came up inconclusive, which is phrased as "could not show a match" or something similar, and it does not mean "definitely not that gun".
It showed up as "no conclusive link between the bullet and the alleged shooter's weapon"
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-bullet-match-robinson/
Not an expert, but isn't most of that "matching the bullet to the gun" shit pseudoscientific nonsense?
Kinda yes, kinda no. At the very least a caliber can be determined with some accuracy (like, you can tell it's at least a .30 cal bullet but may not know if that came from a 300blk or .308 since they use the same bullet with different casings/powder charges, then however you may be able to deduce further based on the wound patterns but I'm not an expert really.
Matching the bullet to the specific gun down to the serial number is a bit of nonsense though, to some degree the striations may match up like on TV but that'd be able to be hidden by taking a wire brush down the barrel or just shooting a bunch more rounds through it. That said, idk, maybe since the story is "one bullet fired, rifle found in woods, next bullet was ballistics testing," maybe it's more credible?
In any case, there's more questions than just the bullet "matching" (whatever that would mean in this context, be it striations or caliber), supposedly he climbed on the roof, assembled the rifle, took his shot, and then the video footage of him running across the roof. But in that footage he has no rifle, he runs, tosses his bag, follows it down, and keeps running. Where did the rifle go? Did he take it back down and stash it in the ~6sec it took between the shot and him moving? Doubtful. And supposedly he left his screwdriver up there, how then is it taken down in the bag in the footage then found assembled in a box in the woods if the screwdriver he needed to use for that was still on the roof? And supposedly it was a 30-06 rifle, a round powerful enough to go through an elk at 2x+ the (iirc) ~150yd distance, and Charlie caught it in one of the softest parts in the human body "because he's superman actually." Fucking ok, for sure, you betcha.
I heard mechanically not a match like wrong caliber, wrong land and groove count, not the pseudoscience type.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-bullet-match-robinson/
I'm confused. Is this thread supposed to be sarcastic? There's a certain point where low-brow satire simply becomes more of the same cesspool of vitriol it criticises and this thread feels a lot like that.
You don't need to put every thought out into the world. And you don't need to amplify every instance of someone posting their inside thoughts by making an online collage of them.
Indeed, take your own advice then? Lead by example and be quiet
What's wrong with my comment? I don't see how it's vitriolic or relishing political violence.
according to you, you should not be saying things if you have nothing to say. please take your own advice to heart.
Just because you lack reading comprehension doesn't mean I didn't say anything.
There's literally nothing sarcastic about the original post
So, that's you irl, saying that shit?