Can't believe that I'm defending downvoters. But downvoting does not always mean that they disagree with the message of a post. Some even just use it as a "mark as read" button, some fat fingered, some might think it doesn't belong in this community.
yeah i was gonna say, i support the post's message but i don't see it as a "late stage capitalism" thing. these things happen even outside late stage capitalism, so that's rather unrelated.
(i upvoted btw)
might be better into the world news, political or sth community
They are free to argue in the comments if they don't agree with the post itself, otherwise it's fine to assume that they are crypto-zionists and shame them.
I habitually downvote anything referring to the site formerly known as twitter, especially if it's a pointless screenshot. Glad I read a bit further into this one if that is your attitude.
Why is the screenshot even nessecary? Does somebody think that posting on X is somehow more legitimate than anywhere else?
I also downvote about 10 posts a day entirely by accident because the downvote button on my screen is about 4 pixels and rests in the natural scroll area.
My point is that a downvote probably doesn't always mean what you think it does.
Even then, I think it’s a bad precedent. It makes Lemmy feel toxic.
I don’t think votes should be private (as that leads to all sorts of complications, especially with fighting bots/spammers), but I think Lemmy/Piefed should encourage a culture of not highlighting it, unless it’s strictly for a spammer or some other objective rules violation.
The likely chilling effects are obvious to me. Who’d want to (intentionally or accidentally) tap a button on this site when someone’s gonna post your username for it?
Punishment for using default features is concerning for a platform. If we needed thought police they’d probably make downvotes more visible to us.
We can already keep bad content in its place by downvoting it ourselves. We can use logs to investigate brigaging and stalking-to-downvote and suspicious mass upvoting, etc. We owe other users restraint if we want them to come back.
I kinda want to mirror this to the fediverse with a bot to 1. Make more people see it and 2. Mirror it so when it gets taken down its distributed on here.
Yeah, I'm real torn. On one hand, I immediately want to scrape this site, but I also don't want to beat the site up tying up their bandwidth. There seems to be a parent site db4p.org thats managing mirrors of this site, but I don't see any sort of torrent or archive. If there's something like that, I'd be very inclined to just archive the entire site/database.
Mmm… such a bot could run once every 24 hours either “visiting the site” and reading the HTML contents. Or using the DB directly if they have an API somewhere.
You may want to create a specific community for that to avoid flooding other communities, and post summaries on other communities every week/month if you do this.
Just a tip to avoid getting banned for spamming communities.
wait is that website a fediverse instance actually?
also if you do mirror it, make sure to do it in an efficient way. for example, some websites offer one large download to archive the whole site, like wikipedia. is less strain on the server than scraping each page individually.
Yeah, I looked further now and the company is Environmental Services Research Institute, Esri, headquartered in California.
At first I saw some Swedish contact details and had hope that we might be able to withstand the pressure from Israel, but I wanted confirmation and then found out that is was indeed a US company.
Esri make tools for working with geographic information (gis) and have a hosting platform for your creations. It should be possible to self host but that might be more expensive.
The genociders don't care about their slave workers and left them to be killed by diaper forces helicopters probably.
Like those scum don't let Palestinians in bomb shelters.
Anyway they shouldn't have been there.
they're probably better of, can't imagine how they got treated by these racist zio monsters.
Like those poor workers who go to these barbaric gulf states.
Ooooooh you're in for a treat then! Just a few years ago in 2022 he released all his songs from copyright and you can check out every song on his website! (Or any YouTube video of course)
So... I think the website as it is described here would be extremely important to have. One caveat I have is, are we sure this is safe and also, real?
I'm sorry, it's just that, Israel is known for all kinds of fuckery, and it's good to be careful when clicking links you know. And I'm no expert so I couldn't tell if it is some dangerous psyop shit.
If there are no concerns I'd be delighted, just being cautious I guess. Anyway, Free Palestine, from the River to the Sea and Free Lebanon.
Normally I wouldnt do some thing like this but those opposed to holding them accountable should be called out too
Can't believe that I'm defending downvoters. But downvoting does not always mean that they disagree with the message of a post. Some even just use it as a "mark as read" button, some fat fingered, some might think it doesn't belong in this community.
yeah i was gonna say, i support the post's message but i don't see it as a "late stage capitalism" thing. these things happen even outside late stage capitalism, so that's rather unrelated.
(i upvoted btw)
might be better into the world news, political or sth community
They are free to argue in the comments if they don't agree with the post itself, otherwise it's fine to assume that they are crypto-zionists and shame them.
Since the list has grown
Get your ass here and update the list.
Duplicate. Doesnt look like your update took
One more name at the bottom
Yeah but it’s cut off and we can’t see it.
Did you click the full image? It shows the 8 downvotes and several up votes
At the bottom of the downvotes part, not the bottom of the image.... obviously.
Shoutout to you, OP. More users should be shamed. Would love to see these genocide defending twats defend their votes.
I habitually downvote anything referring to the site formerly known as twitter, especially if it's a pointless screenshot. Glad I read a bit further into this one if that is your attitude.
Why is the screenshot even nessecary? Does somebody think that posting on X is somehow more legitimate than anywhere else?
I also downvote about 10 posts a day entirely by accident because the downvote button on my screen is about 4 pixels and rests in the natural scroll area.
My point is that a downvote probably doesn't always mean what you think it does.
So you engage in genetic fallacy? Gotta keep those echo chamber walls tall and secure.
What on earth do you mean?
Or perhaps they oppose X, starting a witch hunt under a twitter/X post sounds stupid
How did u get that list?
lemvotes
they're a mod
It's public information, no need to be a mod
til
what did they do ?
Votes are technically public, so technically there’s nothing wrong with this, but doxxing voters still feels slimey.
Doxxing implies I provided personally identifying info like home addresses, work locations, telephone numbers, other social media accounts, etc.
You know what I meant. Encouraging brigading, to be more precise.
Lemmy keeps that info hidden by default for a reason.
Perhaps zionists should be brigaded.
Even then, I think it’s a bad precedent. It makes Lemmy feel toxic.
I don’t think votes should be private (as that leads to all sorts of complications, especially with fighting bots/spammers), but I think Lemmy/Piefed should encourage a culture of not highlighting it, unless it’s strictly for a spammer or some other objective rules violation.
So you don't know brigading is either?
Lemmy hides it by default. They hide it for a reason, whatever you want to define that reason as.
It feels icky to work around by posting the list of downvotes.
I’ll debate over that, but I’m not going to beat around the bush or start a snarky semantics argument over a linguistic error I made.
Well, that's an important distinction
Yeah. I made a linguistic error.
Point is, it feels icky, which is why it’s hidden by default.
The likely chilling effects are obvious to me. Who’d want to (intentionally or accidentally) tap a button on this site when someone’s gonna post your username for it?
Punishment for using default features is concerning for a platform. If we needed thought police they’d probably make downvotes more visible to us.
We can already keep bad content in its place by downvoting it ourselves. We can use logs to investigate brigaging and stalking-to-downvote and suspicious mass upvoting, etc. We owe other users restraint if we want them to come back.
Agreed. This is what I was getting at, and you put better than I could.
That isn't Doxxing.
Do you even know what Doxxing is?
Calling users out for defending genocide isn't doxxing. Finding out their real names, addresses, places of work, etc..
That's Doxxing.
I kinda want to mirror this to the fediverse with a bot to 1. Make more people see it and 2. Mirror it so when it gets taken down its distributed on here.
Should I do it? Or is that dumb?
Do it.
DEFINITELY do it! It's the opposite of dumb!
Yeah, I'm real torn. On one hand, I immediately want to scrape this site, but I also don't want to beat the site up tying up their bandwidth. There seems to be a parent site db4p.org thats managing mirrors of this site, but I don't see any sort of torrent or archive. If there's something like that, I'd be very inclined to just archive the entire site/database.
Mmm… such a bot could run once every 24 hours either “visiting the site” and reading the HTML contents. Or using the DB directly if they have an API somewhere.
Either way it doesn’t cost them much.
Just put the feed in its own community, then yeah. Go for it.
Mirror it how exactly?
Do you mean scraping the data and publishing a report to lemmy/piefed/mastodon?
I was thinking indeed scraping (or using an API), and when a new entry is made, repost it on here (on a seperate community).
You may want to create a specific community for that to avoid flooding other communities, and post summaries on other communities every week/month if you do this.
Just a tip to avoid getting banned for spamming communities.
Yes ofcourse! It’s also against (at least lemmy.world’s) instance to post as a bot without express permission from the community mods.
Make a new community for sure. I would be interested
wait is that website a fediverse instance actually?
also if you do mirror it, make sure to do it in an efficient way. for example, some websites offer one large download to archive the whole site, like wikipedia. is less strain on the server than scraping each page individually.
There’s a kernel of a good idea there but I’m not sure how the actual format of that would work out…
The cynic in me asks how long until some government shuts down the site for some bullshit reason.
That's not cynicism, that's just realism.
Anyone with the ability etc please archive and duplicate it before that happens!
It’s hosted by a software company (look at the direct link) so it’ll probably be deleted by them.
Yeah, I looked further now and the company is Environmental Services Research Institute, Esri, headquartered in California.
At first I saw some Swedish contact details and had hope that we might be able to withstand the pressure from Israel, but I wanted confirmation and then found out that is was indeed a US company.
Esri make tools for working with geographic information (gis) and have a hosting platform for your creations. It should be possible to self host but that might be more expensive.
there is no arab terrorism, it's a ziofascist lie to demonize legitimate resistance against these monsters.
fuck off with your hasbara.
How you explain philipino immigrants killed during October 7?
The genociders don't care about their slave workers and left them to be killed by diaper forces helicopters probably.
Like those scum don't let Palestinians in bomb shelters.
Anyway they shouldn't have been there.
Oh, so their fault, i see
of course
they're probably better of, can't imagine how they got treated by these racist zio monsters.
Like those poor workers who go to these barbaric gulf states.
Fuck off zionazi. Your side is the biggest terrorist
https://chuffed.org/project/178826-help-databases-for-palestine-protect-our-evidence-archives
They're asking for donations for storage space if you can help
So long, Mom
I'm off to drop the bomb
So don't wait up for me
But while you swelter
Down there in your shelter
You can see me
On your TV
While we're attacking frontally
Watch Brinkally and Huntally
Describing contrapuntally
The cities we have lost
No need for you to miss a minute
Of the agonizing holocaust
Whoa cool, the only Tom Lehrer song I've heard of before is "Poisoning Pigeons in the Park," I didn't know he wrote political songs too.
Ooooooh you're in for a treat then! Just a few years ago in 2022 he released all his songs from copyright and you can check out every song on his website! (Or any YouTube video of course)
I suggest 'Who's Next?' for your next listen
Some people are gone too soon even if they're old when they die
Israel: TAKE THAT DOWN ANTISEMITES!!!
PALESTINIANS ARE SEMITES TOO
NOT THE CORRECT KIND! CLEARLY!
WHY ARE WE YELLING!?
ACTUALLY TO BE FAIR THERE ARE TWO SEPERATE DEFINITIONS FOR THE WORD "SEMITES" THO PALESTINIANS FIT BOTH.
How do they decide which words to write in all caps?
/diceroll
How long until it gets taken down via DOS, hacking, threats, or some bullshit "official" reason?
So... I think the website as it is described here would be extremely important to have. One caveat I have is, are we sure this is safe and also, real?
I'm sorry, it's just that, Israel is known for all kinds of fuckery, and it's good to be careful when clicking links you know. And I'm no expert so I couldn't tell if it is some dangerous psyop shit.
If there are no concerns I'd be delighted, just being cautious I guess. Anyway, Free Palestine, from the River to the Sea and Free Lebanon.
whoa, there's a ton of houses being destroyed
it's surely something to see it on the map, just scrolling through the landscape.
edit: scrolling further north, they just wiped out entire parts of the landscape
(check the shadows. ruins don't cast a shadow.)
It's a nice thought.
But ideologies cannot be eradicated and they can't be universally punished.
You can actually universally punish them. It's real easy in fact.
Nuremberg says otherwise
You can stop funding them tho, no?
US sends money to Israel regularly.