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TIL Fred Trump, who was Donald Trump's father, wore a Hitler moustache.

Nothing surprising given how terrible Trump is, but nonetheless.

He also was present at a Ku Klux Klan demonstration in 1927.

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sh.itjust.works

It’s a toothbrush mustache, and more than one historical person wore them, Charlie Chaplin who Hitler likely copied was one of them.

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The toothbrush mustache became popular because it was the only kind that would fit under the gas mask. I believe that's why Hitler had one, he was a corporal in WWI (and was temporarily blinded by a gas attack).

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lemmy.world

Yeah. That's all true. But would you say that Micheal Jordan briefly had a Charlie Chaplin mustache? Or would you say Micheal Jordan briefly had a hitler mustache?

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lemmy.world

The difference is that one of them wore it before it got labeled as a Hitler moustache and the other did it after

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piefed.social

and? Things can get tainted by millions dying in tacit relationship. Just like the swastika has been a symbol for centuries before.

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cmbabulreply
slrpnk.net

The mustache for sure can and has, same thing with names, how many Adolfs yall know?

Chaplin is obviously blameless unless he had future sight, but the thing about the Jordan attempt was that anyone that has even kinda followed Michael Jordan knows that he only did it because he thought he was a big enough icon to overcome the stigma of a Hitlerstache

Clearly his ego had grown too large

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Starya67reply
lemmy.world

I know one. He's 104.

Fun fact: in many countries outside the Western world, Hitler is treated as just some dictator.

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I would also question people naming their kids after any dictator or famous terrible person, especially one directly responsible for the Holocaust.

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Oliver Hardy (from the Laurel and Hardy series) also wore one. Without it he looked like a giant baby.

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lemmy.world

No Hitler did not likely copy Chaplin, he much more likely kept the "toothbrush" from his WWI army days, when it was common because it fit under a gas mask.

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sh.itjust.works

He was known to be a Charlie Chaplin fan, there’s not proof to either side. It’s not like we can ask him or he let us know for sure. We can speculate though.

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lemmy.world

And that's what social media is all about - opinions in a vacuum based on minimal information and defended as if it were a matter of life and death.

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In my original comment I never stated it as a fact, I said likely, since we can’t know for sure.

And are you trying to mock me for just defending my point when you attacked it? That’s… quite the interesting tactic.

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So did Hardy from the comedy duo Laurel & Hardy, or Charlie Chaplin.

It was a style of moustache that was very popular for a time until Adolf Hitler came along.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Just like the swastika was fucking everywhere for decades before Hitler usurped it. I've got an early 1900s Sears catalog with swastika watches, pins, clocks. All when Hitler was basically a tween.

Point being: Fascists always steal culture, they never create it.

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lemmy.world

Was it the swastika? Or was it a mirrored swastika?

The mirrored one WAS a sign of peace and inclusiveness.

Then one asshole changed everything.

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otacon239reply
lemmy.world

I always hated that I’ve found the swatstika frustrating appealing as a shape. Why’d they have to ruin such an interesting geometric symmetry?

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sh.itjust.works

That’s not entirely true, they created plenty of unique sigils too, the SS bolts for one.

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lemmy.ml

How early? 1920s was when the fascists officially adopted the swastika. Prior to that the Ayran supremacists were using it in Austria.

The fact that it was in the Sears catalog in the early 1900s says more about how much fascism was popular in the US than it does about how innocuous the symbol was at that time.

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I believe the catalog is from 1906. So not sure if early Austrian fascism had made it over by steam ship and spread thousands of kilometers across the country before the automobile.

But it was less than 10 years before the resurrection of the Klan, so that was certainly brewing.

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lemmy.ml

And the Trump family business wasn’t originally real estate, no. Fred Trump made his fortune with brothels.

shitbirds of a feather.

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lemmy.ca

So your comparing owning a brothel is the same as what Hitler did. OK.

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Not in the sex worker empowerment sense, but yes, in the way he subjugated those deemed lesser, I am.

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In Fred Trump's defense, there were a lot of famous people with toothbrush mustaches back then, and Fred Trump simply wore a toothbrush mustache because he was a huge fan of Adolph Hitler.

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sh.itjust.works

In Germany we like to call it a "Rotzbremse," which translates to snot brake.

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I heard it was a WWI response to the necessities of gas masks, following a period of artistic facial hair

I’ve no doubt that this guy isn’t one of humanity’s greatest, but it’s not indicative of anything - well, beyond the war at least.

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I mean this is unfair what time was this photo taken. Since he was alive before WWII. And then you have the point did people of that time call it Hitler mustache like did everyone just shave it off after WWII. Or was it newer generations who called it that?

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piefed.social

Np, just ruined its iconography. Why are you so dense as to fail to understand that? Want to defend it?

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lemmy.ca

lol, I can think Hitler and Trump are awful people AND point out stupid arguments. Stop making stupid arguments.

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I like it when John Oliver was talking about how shit Ivanka is and said something like, "it looks like the apple doesn't fall far from the orange"

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I'd say it's very on the nose, but this time it's arguably under it, not on.

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