Spyke
lemmy.world

It's missing the bit where he starts screaming "You will not replace us!" and accusing them of pedophilia.

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lemmy.world

The cost is parenthood is probably one of the biggest obstacles to having a higher fertility rate in most industrialized countries.

You want more babies? Stop hoarding all the money with the other 15 richest people in the country. Pay your fair share of taxes so the people looking to start building families get the support they need and their children have access to an affordable quality education. Also give everyone a fair pay.

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reddthat.com

The cost is parenthood

Money is certainly a big factor, but so is time and the general lack of support parents get from society. Historically (and in some parts of the world today), there was more focus on the extended family rather than the elementary family. The shift in focus on family structure has put a lot more demands on parents. Combined with the higher expectations of parenting, and it's no wonder many people are opting out. When I talk about expectations, think about not only material items but how norms have changed regarding the level of supervision.

Parenting has become punitive in many modern societies.

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Combined with the higher expectations of parenting, and it’s no wonder many people are opting out.

It's now Darwinian in the sense that only those who can afford quality have the likelihood of better upward mobility, like some of them insisting to have private education over public. Of course and sadly, the so-called middle class is being hollowed out as the wealth gap widens.

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lemmy.world

I think I heard the best explanation as a generation of people being devoid of hope for the future being told that their actually wrong and really just being selfish and life isn't that bad. Like truly dead inside and just going thorough the motions on autopilot.

Because fertility rates everywhere are going down, and it's not just an economic consideration. North Korea is racing South Korea to the bottom in terms of who can go extinct first, and they are the most disparate case that could possibly be presented.

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I want to have a kid or two but I ddon't trust society to do it, so I feel I have to put a lot of effort into it

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Hey Elon, the cost of parenthood is the problem, as proven by you having all this money and all these kids. Gimme cash and ill have a kid (not yours)

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To add: Baby boom wasn't horny vets.

They through money at it. One form was affordable mortgages

government-guaranteed mortgages in the 1930s and 1940s led to dramatically higher rates of home ownership among young couples. “Mortgage insurance programs led to 3 million additional births from 1935-1957, roughly 10 percent of the excess births in the baby boom,

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HobbitFootreply
thelemmy.club

Kids are cheap if you accept half will die before adulthood and most will only do unskilled labor.

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lemmy.world

This may have been his purpose for raiding the US government files. Probably some schemes involving widespread eugenics by nudging more favorable social supports for certain groups. Completely speculatory but plausible given what can be done with big data these days. We still have zero leads as to what he stole all that data for.

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I've been assuming it was to feed into Palantir, but the iK just straight up gave them the NHS data so why they had to raid the tresury idk.

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imhungryreply
leminal.space

I don't think shame and embarrassment are the same thing. Embarrassment often requires humility, but when people are ashamed, they dodge accountability.

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sh.itjust.works

I would not accept shame of a type I wouldn't put on someone else. Would I shame a woman for having kids with multiple guys? Of course not, you'd have to be a megachode to do that. So why would we tolerate people shaming anyone for that practice? Why should a person's gender determine whether they're allowed multiple partners in their life? We're not even talking about non-monogamy here; plenty of people have kid(s) with one partner and then have more with another after leaving the first. I've got family members and friends who've done that. You think how much we shame them should be determined by their gender? Only women should be permitted?

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architectreply
thelemmy.club

I think shaming the rich is always on the table for any and all reasons, personally. Anything to get to them.

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What you say isn't in a vacuum. If you shame a rich person for a reason, you're implicitly shaming many other people who match your insult

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Watabareply
sh.itjust.works

I'd shame a woman for being a massive creep about the whole thing, and layering transphobia on top of that.

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Although a woman having kids with multiple guys would probably negatively impact her, this choice doesn't have the same consequences for her in society. An equivalent "bad choice" for a woman would be marrying an older man at a young age, never getting an education, never getting a job, having multiple kids with him, and then allowing him to be The Head of the Household without any input from her. Long term, that would put her in a similarly disadvantaged social position as a man with multiple baby mommas, if she were an average person.

I didn't say that people who have kids out of wedlock or who get married before adulthood deserve to be kicked out of society and neither do people who pick their nose in public or who steal from the collection plate at church. I said it's embarrassing and probably shouldn't be encouraged.

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imhungryreply
leminal.space

As a man not taking care of your multiple kids is embarrassing and most guys can't mentally or financially afford to take care of multiple kids. Paying child support instead of providing for your kid day to day is embarrassing. Multiple child support payments can bankrupt you, they'll dock your wages. Not paying child support is a felony in some States. Of course this is only the rule for us poors.

Nailing multiple hoes with no protection is a gamble on getting a kid or an STD. It's incredibly stupid. This is just how guys in my generation tend to think. Edit: Not that Elon "nailed" anybody, his kids are all from IVF allegedly, which is even more embarrassing than just having multiple kids from different women.

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Most of them are in vitro be ause apparently a botched penis enlargement made it not work.

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lemmy.world

Not that Elon “nailed” anybody, his kids are all from IVF allegedly, which is even more embarrassing than just having multiple kids from different women.

And they're only ever sons too (going by gender assigned by birth).

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lemmy.world

I dont think its embarrassing, but practical if you want to spread your DNA. He's had children from actual relationships so it's not like he can't, and he can afford to pay for all of them.

Egotistical sure. Having so many kids you cant be a real father to them and using money to replace that, pretty brutal. Im sure other things too, but I wouldn't say embarrassing.

Maybe if it had been the only way he can have kids.

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I dont think its embarrassing, but practical if you want to spread your DNA.

See, that whole mindset is part of the things that should be embarrassing.

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I'm sorry nobody taught you how to be a man, it's tough when that's the reality, I can relate to that too. Hang in there.

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parodyreply
lemmings.world

If child rearing experts are universally not on board (🤞) with the way you’re executing this “practical” plan, it might be embarrassing to have all the resources but not the sense to choose a healthier-for-the-children path.

Those without that sense probably also won’t be embarrassed, though. Embarrassed for him!

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The mothers wanted a child, and unless they were going to adopt, were likely going to have IVF through a sperm donor anyway. It's not like he's trying to convince someone who doesn't want a kid to have his kids. He convinced people who wanted to have kids to have his kid.

So I don't see how that impacts what a child rearing expert think, since a kid is going to be born to a single mother, or a mother who can't have a kid naturally with their husband. Unless you're saying women shouldn't raise a child alone, via IVF or adoption, which I don't think you're trying to say.

Edit: And in this case, the kid is set for life, albeit with a terrible father (who might have been absent anyway)

Edit: And if he's convincing people who do not want kids, to have his kids, well that's another ball game entirely and is embarrassing.

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lemmy.world

Oh, i thought he was covering a hard on...

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Buffaloxreply
lemmy.world

He is, as a flaming racist he is embarrassed to be attracted to colored women, and tries to hide it. 🤣🤣

PS:
I know he just doesn't want colored people to have more children.
But the other way is funny too IMO.

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iamthetotreply
piefed.ca

You're getting hammered pretty hard on the votes, but you are generally correct. I would not advise you try calling a Black person "coloured" in 2026. POC, or just flat out Black, is the more accepted term today. The point of POC is that it emphasizes the personhood over the colour aspect.

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https://youtu.be/VONoYWxSAsI

For those who never watch it don't context ::: spoiler Spoiler Larry was helping a black family who also ironically had the last name "Black" and they were staying at his house until they found another place to live.

During that time he couldn't invite his date over because there was zero privacy with so many people.

The doctor had similar issue as her family was also staying over at her place. :::

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The NAACP never changed their name, so I assumed the term just fell out of use, but wasn’t necessarily offensive.

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lemmy.world

I've always thought either were silly - it implies that 'white' isn't a color. Even if you say 'white is the absence of color' that itself is a color.

'hey Bill, what did you paint your fence as' 'I painted it not a color' 'ah, quite basic, no?'

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teslekovareply
sh.itjust.works

The absence of colour is not a colour.

That said, white people are generally actually various shades of pinky beige, black people are generally various shades of brown, but our language uses colour-based terminology to refer to ethnicity anyway.

Complaining that white is a colour, so whites should be included as coloured people, is kind of silly in that context.

Especially if you remember that the term "coloured people" originated as a way to stop people who had black and white heritage from getting any of the benefits of their whiteness.

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lemmy.world

It's not 'I want to be included too' but like, the entire thing is silly. We are all some shade of a color. To single out a group and call them 'colored' when we literally all are is just, wat.

I mean it's not like the people who were at the helm of racism were particularly intelligent, but like come on. It's almost comical how smooth-brained they were (are). If I pulled out a pack of crayons and pointed to the white one, their worldview may implode.

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I definitely agree that the whole racism thing is absolutely stupid. A whole kingdom of cruelties based on nothing important.

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lemmy.world

People usually don't care consider white to be a colour. You wouldn't call a white wall colourful, would you?

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plutoposreply
lemmy.zip

but 'white' people do not actually have white skin

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I'll try to remember that in the future, although I don't understand the difference.

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plutoposreply
lemmy.zip

"people of colour" and "coloured people" is essentially the same thing. There are better words than both

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imhungryreply
leminal.space

He's allegedly had like 80 surgeries on his previously-normal penis, so I think that's unlikely...

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kablammyreply
sh.itjust.works

You shouldn't spread claims online that you can't verify. You have no proof his penis was previously normal.

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LOL that's what my wife said, with full sincerity, she said he might have been born deformed due to the shape of his torso. I don't think so. People who have that kind of deformity tend to get only the amount of surgeries necessary, only a guy who was insecure about his perfectly normal penis would get like 80 surgeries to make it bigger. Just my two cents

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lemmy.world

I'm originally from Texas and whenever I'd go back (which hasn't been for several years now) there would be tons of 'pro-life' billboards featuring happy, smiling, blonde, blue-eyed, white babies

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You forgot about the shithole galaxy we're in and the multiple shithole dimensions, which we may inhabit just one of an infinite (shitty) number. And some physicists think that we're actually living in a three-dimensional hologram imprinted on the two-dimensional event horizon of a black (shit) hole.

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petersrreply
lemmy.world

Hmm. In the biographies it is a least clear that he values spending time with them and has them in mind for many decisions - but definitely in his own way.. Like quality time with his newest baby while being on a SpaceX conference call.

And the better question: Do they like him?

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Markie84reply
feddit.org

I wouldn’t believe the biography of a liar. One of his children, Vivian Wilson, has a very different story to tell.

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petersrreply
lemmy.world

I hear you. But a lot of the content of both biographies are based on recounts from other people about him - but still..

Regarding Vivian, Elon has definitely done a really horrible job with her. According to the most recent book, he presumably tried to downside his mansion lifestyle in an effort to gain a bit of her fondness for him back (this was driven by their differences in political views, hers being much more left leaning; not her transgender identity). But obviously it didn't help one bit. It just goes to show that he will bend for people (including his children) to like him.

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tetris11reply
feddit.uk

I mean no one wants to be hated by the in-crowd. I think him losing progressive clout back when he was with old grimey hit him hard. He spent a fortune in reddit psychophants, cartoon spotlights, TV exposure, and other media to get people the progressives to like him.

It didn't work, and rather than slinking into background like other billionaires he made an emotional decision to publicly pivot alt-right. I think this really is who he is, but I don't think he actually likes it. He embraces loudly it because he knows we hate it.

I think deep down all these adults with power who act emotionally just want to be beloved, but cannot accept that their core values make them reviled. I can definitely understand him trying to do right by his kids, in his own warped logic sense

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lemmy.world

He spent a fortune in reddit psychophants, cartoon spotlights, TV exposure, and other media to get people the progressives to like him.

Has Dave Chappelle ever said how much Elon paid him to appear onstage with him?

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architectreply
thelemmy.club

This fucking man went on national tv to say she was dead to him and that woke killed his son. Fuck you and fuck him.

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petersrreply
lemmy.world

I will take the hate - don't understand it, as I am not defending him, but sure, mention Elon and you will be blazed by a flamethrower regardless. If there is something specific regarding hate towards me, let me know.

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You are devils advocating when the devil is not only in the room he's on the tv spouting bigotry and abuse.

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The dude has a breeder fetish. Once they start becoming people he loses interest

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europe.pub

When a dude who TRIED to get into pedo-island is telling you he needs more kids, perhaps you should trust your gut and gtfo.

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Don't let Elon musk tell you what to do with your genitals. Also anyone that cares about brith rate and however much there is of whatever race is weird.

Humans will ultimately evolve into another species and concept of human races will become irrelevant.

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lemmy.world

I'm so numb to the threat of a population crash after decades of accepting that I'll likely die as a direct cause of climate change and/or nuclear annihilation and/or global pandemic and/or cancer from one of the many poisons we're pumping into our environment. I couldn't care less about population crash. They do everything they can to ruin the world for everybody but the elite, I'm sure as hell not bringing anybody into it so they can labor for these assholes.

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Every time I hear politicians advocating for more children I keep thinking "you want to put even more people on this earth to use up its resources?"

Surely having a few less humans around would be a good thing for the climate.

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Threat? You mean a set of humans with the technology we have or better but more resources per human??? That's bad?

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Leviathanreply
lemmy.world

I would think wage slaves, but what does a guy who wants to automate everyone out of a job need wage slaves for?

Comfort slaves. You want to have food and a place to live? Billionaires get to have whatever and do whatever they want and you never complain. What other future could they possibly be gearing towards?

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something like a cross of bladerunner and escape from new york... edit: and minority report

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lemmy.ca

The elite want people to have children because people with children have something they could lose that isn't theirs to sacrifice. It makes them easier to control.

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Tattorackreply
lemmy.world

Hmm... I think it's for a different reason.

Birthrates are down because (amongst other things) it's financially impossible to have a family in this time.

However, as much as these tech billionaires invest into AI, they still need grunt workers to keep society running. So eventually these billionaires will lose value because society doesn't have workers.

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Billionaires can't look 20 years into the future when the babies would grow up to be workers. If they could, they'd see that destroying the environment is going to cost way more in the future than it would to just fuck it less now.

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Just replace with AI duh. It solves all problems. Like my AI proxy banging my SO AI proxy.

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The irony of American white nationalism will always be that that despite being a white American by birth and genetics, even as I fight that privilege, I’ll still be a “better” white American than the world’s richest immigrant can ever be. You picked the wrong allies, you picked the wrong fight, and your ancestors (exploiters as they were) picked the wrong continent. You’ll never be “good” enough. And while I despise that standard, your failure to figure that out and your personal collapse is a small delight.

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thelemmy.club

I don’t really think they want that at all. I think it’s just another culture war wedge to fuck women with. Then people can claim it’s everything but the class war this clearly is.

Why would they want more kids around? To kill them or destroy them with robots would be the only answer. Nothing in the books they read/write actually indicate they want anyone to have more kids.

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Replaceable wage slaves. They can bring every ounce of productivity out of one human, toss them out and grab another.

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I have children and I love them very much, BUT if I was making the choice to have children today it would be resounding no. Primarily because of people like Elon Musk and the TDS that is speedrunning America's collapse.

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Meanwhile I got blasted for following the "wait with children until you're financially stable" advice as a white person (it was supposed to apply to non-whites only).

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so he can traffick them for "MS kungfu instructor" and Epsteins clientele after thier "source of victims" have disappeared.

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When time is the only true commodity, but the ruling class decides that they need more decimal points In their registers...

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Buffaloxreply
lemmy.world

Why would she go to a Catholic church? To have her children raped?

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Well obviously not for that particular reason, but it doesn’t seem to be a deal breaker for the vast majority of church goers

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

…because it’s a common piece of clothing that many people wear…?

why did you see a drawing of a woman with exposed shoulders and your first thought was "what a slut!"?

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Catholic churches don't prevent bare shouldered women entering.

Also plenty of black people aren't Catholic, in my country it's rare for black people to be Catholic unless they're Haitian or recently (past few generations) immigrated from Africa

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HikingVetreply
lemmy.ca

Well, you applied a religious moral standard from the 1950s unironically and are surprised you got downvoted then follow up by say you were pointing out a stereotype.....

What did you expect? Honestly

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I’m fascinated by the idea that you live in some land where black women don’t wear tank tops and themselves think it would be racist to depict them doing so. I live in Oklahoma where black women are happily and commonly wearing tank tops all around and they don’t seem to be apologetic or ashamed of their doing so. Separate but equal dress codes seems a bit racist imo

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No, I don't. This isn't an actual issue. You've made this up to be angey about.

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Most black women, both on TV and irl, wear whatever the fuck they want. Why are you so weird?

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