If you're openly advocating for extreme violence in a public place, you're an idiot. People have been and will continue to be imprisoned for this in the US and other countries.
Am I "they" in your statement? I'm not familiar with what whoever this is. If a person is saying "you should shoot ICE agents with guns when you see them, here's where they are going to be at X time" thats pretty reasonable to not tolerate. As its a direct call to action with details that allow an individual or group to become an imminent threat. You can go to jail for that and if you facilitate it by not moderating it, I'd imagine you're also culpable. If they say "ICE is a contemporary gestapo and is flagrantly committing crimes against humans" thats an unreasonable thing to censor. Again, my knowledge on the statement posted is limited but I'd imagine they are talking about statements like the former, not the latter.
What you think doesn't matter if it is objectively illegal. I don't think the speed limit should be 65 on my favorite highway. I think it should be 90. Yet I will still be pulled over,ticketed and maybe arrested if I go 90 there.
Yeah, impunity is the sticking point there lmao. You and I don't have that nor should we nor should ICE even though they seem to. Keeping yourself out of jail is step one on making a change. Making it demonstrably easier to put you in jail (by posting threats or non 1A protected speech on a PUBLIC PLATFORM) is idiotic. Like I said in another comment saying shit like I'm talking about is almost always strictly performative. If it wasn't you'd be out there shooting people or facilitating that act. Not saying how it should or could happen on social media. If you're using social media to facilitate an act of violence that is a crime, like I laid out in my other comment. Remember step one.
Given the first amendment and the supreme courts stance on originalism one could make a compelling argument that this type of speech is legal. As an example. One could further point to any example of the current administration or the police or examine historical injustice codified into law. Or, just look at Israeli actions.
Laws are enforced by power. And are dictated by societal pressure. They are not objective in the slightest. There's an entire profession dedicated to the subjectivity of laws.
Fascist governments will always find ways to imprison dissenters, this is just one way they do so -- they've been treating those trying to track ICE agents as if they are "violent extremists"
What's to stop this fascist government from defining criticism against them as violent extremism? Because that is what they are trying to do. That is always what fascists do. Just following laws won't keep us safe. Laws do not align with morality.
Yup.. usually involving massive IP theft, CSAM, financial fraud or data breaches.. AND often driven by industrial/financial/legal entities.
First Amendment speech issues around people venting about a government that right now, seems to have pissed EVERONE off, isn't likely going to get much traction outside of Kash Patel's brownnosing FBI circle-jerk.
Yeah I'd agree "venting" about it isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I do draw a distinction between venting and calling for violence while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy. To stay clear, I am vehemently opposed to ICE and the actions they've been taking.
I hear Kash got called out recently by a senator for being a drunk on the job.
You know, the more I read up on these clowns, I am beginning to wonder if the whole declarations of this group, that group and the others as being terrorists and a threat to national security.. actually it's all theater made up to hide just how incompetent the current crop of Trump asskissers all really are.
while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy.
Is that something you've been seeing a lot of? Or are you inventing something that's not happening in order to make what is happening sound worse than it is?
I laid out two options in my other comment, one included that. Based on the implications being made about sharing the flock camera locations. Given that the information given in the post includes the words violent extremist and violence against elected officals. Makes me assume violence is involved. But overall my only real point is don't post that you want to or want people to commit violence on a public platform. Have that opinion, sure, talk about it with your friends/associates, sure, don't broadcast it to the world. Doing so is just performative bullshit that could get you tossed in jail. I hate ICE and what they have been doing with immigrants.
Idk how often you go on Reddit but it’s extremely common there mostly in the locality subs. Like daily posts in just the few cities/states I’ve lived in so presumably happening across most of these subs so that’s not inventing something to make it sound worse it’s literally just happening in plain sight
Real talk, that's why even though I'm like double VPN'd I'm not going to say https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY openly. Or that capitalism is inherently evil.
The problem with this stance is the line in the sand is always moving. It's either violence now or violence later. Or maybe you just hope that it won't come to that for you.
Sure, posting it on social media (which this is) is idiotic for so many different reasons as well as strictly performative 99.99999999999% of the time.
Only thing is that stop signs say stop and it requires you to stop. By that logic, this slop sign requires you to slop. If you meant stop slop, you need to use a different signage.
Yeah, lots of users seem to treat this like oldschool 4chan before they had moderators. Back when you could just casually scroll past everything from CSAM to terrorist beheading videos, because none of it was moderated.
Yeah true we still have csam circling around with over 300k IPs in the US engaged in distribution but don’t get to have the uncensored speech and freedom of thought. What a great deal so glad corporate America raided the Internet forums to make profit and totally stop the spread of csam
I never planned visiting the US until your laws become normal, which won't happen, so what will reporting someone that isn't from the US to the FBI do huh? Jack shit probably.
Remeber the head of the network at my university told me that he once was contacted by someone from a US LEA about how someone with an IP from the student housing had said something threatening about then US president George Bush Jr. and wanted information.
He told them that US law doesn't apply in Norway, and that they had to go through proper channels by the Norwegian police and court system to get that information.
Just use your local flock installation like a camera based reporting system. It works best when you scroll through your phone and hold it up to the camera so they can see.
Depending on circumstance, I don't like to block without saying the criticism behind it. If I'm then going to block, I prefer to announce to make it clear to the blockee that I won't be replying, and to make it clear to everyone else why I haven't replied, if the blockee chooses to reply. Works for me.
If you're openly advocating for extreme violence in a public place, you're an idiot. People have been and will continue to be imprisoned for this in the US and other countries.
by "extreme violence" they mean speaking against ICE btw
Am I "they" in your statement? I'm not familiar with what whoever this is. If a person is saying "you should shoot ICE agents with guns when you see them, here's where they are going to be at X time" thats pretty reasonable to not tolerate. As its a direct call to action with details that allow an individual or group to become an imminent threat. You can go to jail for that and if you facilitate it by not moderating it, I'd imagine you're also culpable. If they say "ICE is a contemporary gestapo and is flagrantly committing crimes against humans" thats an unreasonable thing to censor. Again, my knowledge on the statement posted is limited but I'd imagine they are talking about statements like the former, not the latter.
I don't think the first statement shouldn't be tolerated.
What you think doesn't matter if it is objectively illegal. I don't think the speed limit should be 65 on my favorite highway. I think it should be 90. Yet I will still be pulled over,ticketed and maybe arrested if I go 90 there.
Lmao imagine Arguing what is legal and what is illegal when discussing dealing with ICE and all the illegal shit they do with impunity every say
Yeah, impunity is the sticking point there lmao. You and I don't have that nor should we nor should ICE even though they seem to. Keeping yourself out of jail is step one on making a change. Making it demonstrably easier to put you in jail (by posting threats or non 1A protected speech on a PUBLIC PLATFORM) is idiotic. Like I said in another comment saying shit like I'm talking about is almost always strictly performative. If it wasn't you'd be out there shooting people or facilitating that act. Not saying how it should or could happen on social media. If you're using social media to facilitate an act of violence that is a crime, like I laid out in my other comment. Remember step one.
Mandela, Gandhi, MLK, Pankhurst... it's not uncommon for someone to trigger revolution from behind bars.
In principle anyway. Not that any of the online idiots we're talking about are on that kind of path.
There is no such thing as objectively illegal.
Given the first amendment and the supreme courts stance on originalism one could make a compelling argument that this type of speech is legal. As an example. One could further point to any example of the current administration or the police or examine historical injustice codified into law. Or, just look at Israeli actions.
Laws are enforced by power. And are dictated by societal pressure. They are not objective in the slightest. There's an entire profession dedicated to the subjectivity of laws.
That's one way to look at it.
What does objective mean to you
Legality and morality are two different things.
Correct
Fascist governments will always find ways to imprison dissenters, this is just one way they do so -- they've been treating those trying to track ICE agents as if they are "violent extremists"
What's to stop this fascist government from defining criticism against them as violent extremism? Because that is what they are trying to do. That is always what fascists do. Just following laws won't keep us safe. Laws do not align with morality.
They're already trying to classify anyone who is against fascism as a terrorist.
Exactly
I hear ya and I don't disagree.
their "domestic terrorism" is mapping ICE and Flock Cameras
You gonna let this loser talk about you like that, Kash?
ain’t that the tooth
yes like they can gather all the instance admins around the globe, and then finally get the IP of my exit proxy
You recognize interpol has arrested dozens of people around the world for internent related crimes right?
Yup.. usually involving massive IP theft, CSAM, financial fraud or data breaches.. AND often driven by industrial/financial/legal entities.
First Amendment speech issues around people venting about a government that right now, seems to have pissed EVERONE off, isn't likely going to get much traction outside of Kash Patel's brownnosing FBI circle-jerk.
Yeah I'd agree "venting" about it isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I do draw a distinction between venting and calling for violence while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy. To stay clear, I am vehemently opposed to ICE and the actions they've been taking.
I hear Kash got called out recently by a senator for being a drunk on the job.
You know, the more I read up on these clowns, I am beginning to wonder if the whole declarations of this group, that group and the others as being terrorists and a threat to national security.. actually it's all theater made up to hide just how incompetent the current crop of Trump asskissers all really are.
Weird timeline we're in right now, for sure.
Is that something you've been seeing a lot of? Or are you inventing something that's not happening in order to make what is happening sound worse than it is?
I laid out two options in my other comment, one included that. Based on the implications being made about sharing the flock camera locations. Given that the information given in the post includes the words violent extremist and violence against elected officals. Makes me assume violence is involved. But overall my only real point is don't post that you want to or want people to commit violence on a public platform. Have that opinion, sure, talk about it with your friends/associates, sure, don't broadcast it to the world. Doing so is just performative bullshit that could get you tossed in jail. I hate ICE and what they have been doing with immigrants.
Idk how often you go on Reddit but it’s extremely common there mostly in the locality subs. Like daily posts in just the few cities/states I’ve lived in so presumably happening across most of these subs so that’s not inventing something to make it sound worse it’s literally just happening in plain sight
"internet related crimes" is like saying "ocean related crimes"
I mean yeah dude sure, you're invincible because you have a VPN.
a lot more than that 😎
Sick
https://www.security.org/vpn/best/no-log/
https://temp-mail.org/
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.00835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJh_nkgwTjw&t=84
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/
https://www.instructables.com/Setting-Up-a-Raspberry-Pi-Wi-Fi-Extender/
https://www.kali.org/
https://dev.to/shankarsurya035/deauthentication-attack-using-kali-linux-h5e
indeed but this isnt facebook where you email [email protected] and instantly get all their details
tldr: it depends
Real talk, that's why even though I'm like double VPN'd I'm not going to say https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY openly. Or that capitalism is inherently evil.
capitalism is evil
You just did?
The problem with this stance is the line in the sand is always moving. It's either violence now or violence later. Or maybe you just hope that it won't come to that for you.
Sure, posting it on social media (which this is) is idiotic for so many different reasons as well as strictly performative 99.99999999999% of the time.
So the latter. Got it.
Lmao trolling or you don't even remotely understand the concept.
If you’re privately advocating for it when you haven’t done the harder activism first there’s also room for introspection
(Try and probably find there’s too much policy/community work to have time to think about violence)
Meanwhile at the fbi…
Only thing is that stop signs say stop and it requires you to stop. By that logic, this slop sign requires you to slop. If you meant stop slop, you need to use a different signage.
me waiting for my FBI agent to stop drinking and come knocking
What's this gif from?
Reverse image search says The Triplets of Belleville
It's from the film The Triplets of Belleville
It's an odd but great film, I highly recommend it!
I would never bother to report anything on Lemmy to a government agency but some of y’all need to chill the fuck out on public forums sometimes.
Yeah, lots of users seem to treat this like oldschool 4chan before they had moderators. Back when you could just casually scroll past everything from CSAM to terrorist beheading videos, because none of it was moderated.
I miss the old internet, but I don't miss that.
It’s truly a shame we can’t have old internet without all the shit that came with it
We can have the shit without the good stuff tho!
Yeah true we still have csam circling around with over 300k IPs in the US engaged in distribution but don’t get to have the uncensored speech and freedom of thought. What a great deal so glad corporate America raided the Internet forums to make profit and totally stop the spread of csam
Unhinged American fascists can get fucked.
I never planned visiting the US until your laws become normal, which won't happen, so what will reporting someone that isn't from the US to the FBI do huh? Jack shit probably.
Remeber the head of the network at my university told me that he once was contacted by someone from a US LEA about how someone with an IP from the student housing had said something threatening about then US president George Bush Jr. and wanted information.
He told them that US law doesn't apply in Norway, and that they had to go through proper channels by the Norwegian police and court system to get that information.
Depends on their skin color.
Time to ban his account, then.
A really effective measure to make him make a new account
Then ban his second account.
I wouldn’t be friends with someone who is not on the FBI’s list of the enemies of MAGA.
Oh no, they're gonna prosecute me for... Um...
checks comment history
Academically citing their own definition of terrorism as a label for their activities! The horror!
Wasn't planning to go to the USA anytime soon so I couldn't give less of a fuck
They think we can vote our way outta this shit, LoL
"Being reported to the FBI" used to mean something.
Meanwhile, I’m actively hiring these same people for exciting careers in other countries! Join today!
😱 they're going to put me on the same lists twice! 😱
Unlike Santa they arent checking it twice, that way they could say 600 million Americans are on the list!
That sounds like American math? In what part of Utah did you learn that? 🤣
Naughty & Nice?
Probably works for Reddit
By those criteria, Trump qualifies to be reported to that FBI hotline. There's a non-zero chance that some wise people have indeed reported him.
[email protected] is a real community 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
Probably created by mistake.
Said everyone who ever met the tool who created it!
Is that the fake one or a real conservative com?
Lol. Who dis loser?
donaldjmusk
Fascist lives don't matter.
So they are reporting people who quote Charlie Kirk/talk bad about the president or ice. Real patriot stuff /s
And I'm sure that when the FBI director sobers up from his latest bout of binge drinking, and trump ass kissing, he will get right on it.
Cashapp ain't gonna do shit
Getting charged for false reporting is fun, more people should try it out.
Who was it so I can block the account and keep posting extremist stuff
Some MAGA who got bullied out from Lemmy lol
That tracks lol
Me too! They think the memes are pretty lit, and are cheering for you!
FBI is all like "thanks for the dank memes bro keep em coming"
Could you please not use lemmy shitpost for dragging random people into your internet arguments? This is for memes and funny things.
No actually, it's for shitposts. Shitposts can be memes and funny things, but they are not limited to that.
my dog is a chonky boi
Report this, dickhead.
Just use your local flock installation like a camera based reporting system. It works best when you scroll through your phone and hold it up to the camera so they can see.
Do we reckon this is the regular wonk or a new one
This isn't a shitpost and you sound like you need to calm down and touch grass. To aid my own touching of grass, you're going on my blocklist.
Protip - never announce your blocklist additions.
It looks pathetic. Block whoever you want, but keep it to yourself. Nobody cares.
Depending on circumstance, I don't like to block without saying the criticism behind it. If I'm then going to block, I prefer to announce to make it clear to the blockee that I won't be replying, and to make it clear to everyone else why I haven't replied, if the blockee chooses to reply. Works for me.