Gasoline costs 50% more in the US than it did before the Iran war
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Electric vehicle and solar panel enjoyers:
Unfortunately, gasoline woes will ripple through nearly every commodity or grocery that you partake in. If you're truly off grid, it probably won't do much. But as long as you shop from grocery stores or buy things period, you're gonna feel it a little. Not as much as a gas-guzzler, but you'll feel it.
I mean I'm just piss posting and I'm deeply concerned for how it is going to impact my community, which is extremely impoverished and working class, and often have super long commutes.
It's a good thing the government is also actively hostile to any alternative to fossil fuels /s
We could have dulled the impact by converting the grid to renewables 5 years ago, but Joe Manchin thought that might hurt his constituents.
Clearly Joe Manchin only considers the mine owners his constituency...
It's not just gas. Any plastic.
My job is already seeing disposable gloves explode in price
Half of the modern world is reliant on petroleum based products. Gasoline and Diesel are about 70% of modern crude oil usage, but that remaining 30% is everywhere.
the Amish and the Sentinalese laughing at us rn
The sentinelese are always laughing at us.
You know that meme about how we’re meant for eating fruit on the beach but instead we have to pay taxes? I’d violently defend my ability to opt out of that as well.
Idk modern medical care and pain relief is also pretty nice. There are some pretty brutal ways to die that we can avoid with modern technology
Id take basic medicine over *all this. *
Perhaps ethane based plastics not affected very much in the USA at least. Its a "waste product" from shale gas extraction. There are laws on how much producers can burn, and if they don't have a home for it they have to stop extracting methane. So they price it so cheap its essentially paying people to take it so they can go back to extracting methane. The USA produces 40% of the worlds ethane. This is also one of the reasons plastic recycling isn't financially feasible here. Ethane is just too cheap to make virgin plastic vs the costly process of collection and recycling of non-virgin plastics. source
Not any plastic. For example, much of the ethylene used to make PE is a common byproduct of natural gas production, that occurs in such quantity that producers almost have to pay to have it taken away.
Better load up on 3D printing filament before it gets worse
Most filament is made of PLA, from corn oil.
I use PETG from recycled water bottles, but when the ceiling rises so does everything below it
Walkers, bikers, skateboarders, public transit riders, ...
Yeah a friend of mine was shocked when she asked me about my position on data centers and I basically told her IDGAF. I then had to remind her that I have a 21KW solar array and 45kwh of battery storage. My carbon usage is net negative.
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why would Obama do this?! 😭
You got it all wrong. This is Bidens fault!
“OBAMNA”
Thanks Obanma!!!
That's "Bah-rock WHO-SAYIN' Obamna" to you!
Remember all the "I did that" stickers? Yeah.... those assholes are oddly quiet now.
The same ones who harassed and terrorized drag queens for being groomers, they're outside the white house protesting the orange turd for and his cronies for being kid-diddlers right...right?
Funny enough, I think it MIGHT not have been about "protecting the children" at all.
There's "iRAN up your gas!" Stickers being sold now, and I'm REALLY TEMPTED.
Hahaha, I like this one because it's also the picture of him pointing and staring directly at an eclipse like the big'ol dumbass he is.
Be sure to buy paper stickers. It cracks me up seeing one with a finger picked corner from some guy trying to take it off.
LOL. Quite mischievous. Although I feel the poor sucker having to remove them would probably end up being another working class person, as funny as it is to imagine someone scratching vainly with rage at a sticker ridiculing their Dear Flawless Leader. 😂
It's ironic that a guy who hates "chy-nah" so much and wants to "drill", has likely done more to push Chinese cars worldwide, and EV's than any other president in history.
Whilst quality of life has dropped, he's also done an amazing job in pushing the AUD upwards vs USD too
However the real transformation we gotta do is to move to more public transportation (which can also be electrified) but these budgets are all gone under Trump.
If this continues and people are forced out of their normal single occupant, drive to where they could have walked in 5min habits, I wouldn’t be surprised to see other options pop up. Except not public, but privately owned by one of a dozen billionaires. And you can’t pay by the ride, it’s a monthly subscription to use it. And only white people can sit up front.
I think this idea was floated and partially implemented by Uber already.
People need to realize that it doesn't need to be profitable. Public transportation is a service with many beneficial side effects and efficiencies. The money you lose providing the service to the public reduces other costs. This is why corporations can't and shouldn't take it over.
Just to be clear: it doesn't need to be free. But it could "lose" money.
Doesn’t need to be profitable but could be turned into something profitable is the guiding principle of the oligarchy. These are the people that don’t think food and water are a basic human right. And their constituency is of the belief that public transportation is a poverty indicator. When my city wanted to build a new bus depot in downtown they showed up en masse to speak against it because they said it would be a magnet for the homeless and crime, drive property values down. It’s a two front fight against the capitalists who know they can exploit it and the section of the general public that considers any use of public funds that don’t directly benefit themselves as theft. Don’t ask them to consider that every person on a bus is one less car in front of them while they’re stuck in traffic, they’re incapable of such abstract thinking.
Why? Couldn't we embrace rail and renewables and electrify every car?
Oh we have to do exactly that, but my point is that just electrifying the cars is far from enough. We need fewer cars, not just have them be electric.
We can't give country folk easy access to cities, they might become more tolerant.
not Europe.
How do you get to the rail, and when you get to the destination city, do they have any public transit that isn't shit?
Yeah he really made my BYD and CATL investments take off.
BYD is not in good financial shape.
The problem is those thin margins and Chinese competition.
Long term they do, and they are the best placed for EVs in the future(especially since Elon went full Nazi at one point)
There are a more of US brands they'll likely kill off I suspect
My friend worked and Nissan and he expects them to be gone soonish (he now works MG).
And the 4wd repair shop here in Australia doesn't expect Jeep to be around in 10 years either
Whereas, I think everyone expects byd to be around in 10 years
It’s like he doesn’t understand markets, trade, geopolitics, or just basic business.
Not like we didn’t know that about him before he got elected. The first time.
If you do the conversion, gasoline is about 8.22 per gallon in Europe.
To be completely fair to the americans complaining about fuel prices though. European prices are by design. Prices increasef in the 70's during the oil crisis, and afterwards we kept them high through taxation. We did that to give a larger incentive to oil reducing behavior like buying a car that drives longer per liter, or insulating your house better. This was to reduce our dependance in oil so another crisis wouldn't hit as hard.
USA didn't do that, because USA has/had plenty oil to support itself, and those regulations would mean less oil sales and thus less money for the giant oil companies. Wouldn't wanna take money out of the wallets of the poor rich cunts right?
So in short, Europe voted for less oil dependance because we don't produce a lot of it, USA voted for more, because their rich cunts have always controlled the government.
The taxes thing is important thing to realize, in the US it's like maybe 20cents a gallon and in parts of Europe it's 7 dollars a gallon.
Yeah and it sounds like in some parts of europe the gas tax is a percentage of the cost. In the US its a flat fee per gallon (idk anything else with that tax structure). This means that gas taxes rarely increase. They were supposed to pay for roads, but it's been decades since they did that because raising gas prices intentionally, especially as a tax, is just going to give your opponents attack ads. A lot of our municipalities are running out of money paying for roads these days.
Only 60% of the oil produced in the US is used by the refineries in the US. But even if it were 100%, oil is still globally traded and thus the price is tied to global availability.
When I talk to MAGA types who say we should only be using our own oil, they don't realize they are endorsing an anti-capitalistic solution to gas prices. They resist this knowledge when I point it out to them.
Gas price high: use our own oil!
Gas price low: drain everyone else's first!
and they are desperate to control it even more due to iran war, causing strain on supply.
11.26 USD per gallon here in the Netherlands.
My daughter is paying (really I am) a bit more than that in Munich, they hit 12 a coulple of weeks ago for diesel.
She's either lying, or you calculate in British gallone, instead of American gallon. Diesel never passed 3€/L in Germany, not even close.
€3 is $3.54 per liter, a gallon is 3.8 liters math that out and you get $13.45 per gallon.
Its entirely possible that she's lying but I distinctly paying €2.90 during COVID for our two diesel cars.
I just checked Ich-tanke and it looks like it dropped over the last couple of weeks, on the site it say 2.01 so now we're at $9 a gallon
It was never above 2,35€ per Liter this year
9.09 USD per gallon for diesel in Finland. Luckily the government pays my fuel.
That was peice before the war. It's 11 usd/gallon now
Where are you from in Europe? The price here is 8.22 a gallon at the moment, but we expect it to go up again a bit on Monday.
EU, gas is more expensive but they have a reasonable enough transportation system in most countries, of course like long distances you might need car instead.
$10.29/gallon at the cheapest gas station in my city.
All because of one low IQ pedo and the members of Congress and the public that support that pedo.
And still about 30% of voters...
It's even worse. It's 50% of voters. 30% of the population
All because of blackmail controlling that low IQ pedo.
Okay, but on the plus side we're hardly talking about the Epstein files so I think we can chalk this up as a win for America.
its by design, he already tried 2 other assasination attempt after the iran war started affect EVERYONE now to distract people. Todd blanche being suddenly replacing Pam bondi he needed a distraction from that, plus other portions of the files are being exposed. the MSM keeps reporting on his gaffes though as if its a "shocking thing" the resistance grifters arnt helping either, like BTC,,,,etc. Some in the DNC doesnt want it released either.
“Thanks Obama”
Will that have an impact on the trump phone I pre-ordered?
Nah, they have plenty of gas in Ghina.
Thanks Obama! -- 50% of the voters because propaganda
Wait for the food prices to follow.
I would say that’s lights out for Republicans in the midterm elections, but we are well into full irrationality in this country at this point.
unlikely, they plan to steal it . as the voting rights act just been gutted, lousiania already went foward at suspended some elections so they can purge voters, likewise with other gop states doing the same if ont already, remember KEMP he purged voter rolls just before being elected himself. THE DNC gambled for no ROI for ending all these shutdowns early and trying to attack zohran so early on.
at this point they dont even need to use ICE to intimidate people at purple areas, ICE is just there for propaganda for fox.
This is it exactly.
Also the Democrat that was raided (yesterday?) who led the redistricting initiative in VA. They'll do more of that for the tiniest thing going forward to make them seem less trustworthy and get people voting Republican. The whole system is pretty much shot for the usual and given how finicky and uninformed the US voters are (as a whole) they'll falll for any tiny thing. They already put a convicted felon in the white house after the whole COVID thing that he was in charge of (and possibly responsible for due to his disbanding the pandemic team in China) his first term.
tennesee after lousiania trys to eliminate the only black district through gerrymander, since the sctous gave the go ahead to do it. if people think a blue wave is happening its unlikely going to be more than a trickle with all the gerrymandering and voter suppression going on, and then the lack of trust of the "DINOS"
Good. Have the day you voted for.
Netanyahu thanks you for your sacrifice.
He needed the world to be looking elsewhere while he commits further atrocities in Gaza and Lebanon
And sadly, it has been very effective
I sincerely believe that he has serious dirt on Trump, but there's also the fact that Trump is a fucking moron who is easily manipulated by appeals to his ego and BiBi convinced him that it'd mean he would be remembered as a wartime leader
It's not helped by the fact that America is, by and large, a stupid country
K but somehow seems less important than the fact that Donald Trump raped and trafficked children and the Republican Party is protecting him.
With that said, sucks it's going to cost so much to light him on fire after dumping gasoline on him, but it's worth it. Think of the children.
You meant "more important", right?
No? I think the fact a child rapist has been allowed to be President is of greater concern than rising gas prices. That between the two gas prices are less important than the fact the child rapist hasn't been excised from office and preferably killed in such a way as to set an example to the rest of the Epstein Class.
Unless I fucked up that sentiment somehow in my previous post?
Ah, yes. Then yes, you did. Explanation tracks with your sentiment, but @[email protected] 's correction is what you want. Fully written out text you can spot which part of the comparison you took by mistake: somehow the gas prices seem more important news, while they should be less important than the child raping.
Ahh, I see my tongue in cheek tone didn't make it through in the first part of the sentence. Welp, it happens.
I agree that the stuff about trump is more important than gas prices therefore i wanted to correct your first sentence. You meant it seems that people care more about gas prices than the child rapist in power. So you should have written "more", not "less", if you meant it the way you just explained.
Okay no, you partially misunderstood/misread my comment. It was written more as a tongue in cheek reply to the Title. Another way to put the first of my original sentence is "K but (Gas Prices) somehow seems less important than...."
I wrote it exactly how I meant it. If I replaced it with more not less it would read out "K but (Gas Prices) somehow seems more important than...." in which case I would be saying the exact opposite of what I mean.
The Original version is correct.
Got it
Paraphrasing Cory Doctorow, Comrade Trump is hormuzing the world into the full Gretacene.
This is so well written, thanks for sharing!
I am fortunate in that I don't have to buy gas for my car all that often because I don't drive a ton, but I'll have to this week and I am not looking forward to it.
The good news is that it'll be months/years before it ever gets back down to where it was two months ago 🫠
You're not immune. Don't forget, the machines that farm, process and deliver everything into your mouthhole all need to pay for fuel also.
I drive 30,000+ miles a year because of a shitty commute and driving a couple hundred miles out of town most weekends to help my parents.
And since I rent I really can't go electric.
Is the public charging network in the US that bad? Should be half the cost per mile on public AC versus petrol - so maybe worth it at 30,000 miles. I appreciate that this is entirely dependent on having chargers close to where you normally leave your vehicle, but worth checking if you haven't already. Also, if your parents have a driveway then you might be able to trickle charge while there.
It's also worth considering the maintenance savings at the distance you're driving. In the UK it's estimated at 4p per mile (so I'd guess 4c per mile.) So even if you are relying heavily on motorway DC charging, there's still savings to be made.
It's more about the time. The closest fast chargers to me are pretty far, and as it is I regularly leave home at 5:30am and get back to my place after 10pm.
If I didn't live alone it would be a much rougher life.
I don't feel sorry for Americans. You voted this orange turd in. While the rest of the world suffers as well
To be clearly, only about a 1/3rd of us voted for him. And realistically, of the registered voters, only a small percentage can actually influence the outcome by way of being in “swing states”.
But yah, I’m pretty fucking pissed at pensilvanians who wrote in Mickey Mouse because they thought it was funny.
I’m personally not that upset about gas prices going up as I can not afford a car anyways.
You clearly don’t understand how fucked up voting in “the cradle of democracy is.” The American government and the rich will do anything and everything in their power to disenfranchise voters. Just do a little deep dive into how fucking stupid our electoral procedures are and what they are designed to do.
Your local ambulance and fire rescue’s budget almost just doubled. And mine, my machines all run on diesel which is now 6.49/ gal where I live. A lot of my budgets were written months ago
What you're experiencing is why most other nations in the world are stepping up their adoption of renewable energy and electric vehicles. You can't plan effectively with this kind of volatility in your energy costs.
But here in the US it's far more important for fossil fuel companies to make profits, even if doing so causes a recession.
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Its just to hasten transition to electric vehicles. 8D chess
I hope it backfires and increases gen z and alpha support for building out public transit. Viable Metro systems in every US city, commuter rail across all 50 states and national high-speed rail system. If we have those things, who cares how much gas costs
Yes. But also, AMERICA!
That should be the default for every country
Donald Trump, greatest agent of the Green Energy Revolution in our lifetime.
Gasoline costs more right now than any time within my time living in the US
You missed the George Bush Jr era highs. $8+/gal in California. Even Houston, Texas pumps were charging north of $6. That was shortly before the 2006 mid-term bloodbath. Mysteriously, prices absolutely tanked just before the election, then rebounded a few weeks after the polls closed - not that it saved anyone.
Don't worry. The last boat just parked in California and they say they're good for the next six weeks. So I'm sure everything is going to be fine going forward.
It's only just begun...
As an American, I think this is great. I hope it triples.
I'm with you but a little more extreme: I hope Aermica contracts a virus or genetic condition that limits reproduction to .05% of previous so the world can start to heal without nuking us,
Where is Jessica Hyde?
Man do I wish billionaires actually had to pay for things.
they will likely flee the country when people finally come for thier heads.
Well yes but they're also spiteful; if I recall history correctly, the disenfranchised elite in France during the Revolution sought refuge in neighboring territories and then hired mercenaries and private armies to try to return and recapture their villas.
So it's not like "they just flee", their egos are too damn large to remain in quiet wealthy exile.
Have the day you voted for wankees.
Yankee DoodleWankee DiddleYankee DoodleWankee Diddle🎶
Wankee Diddle's Epstine Files
Donnie's such a phony
"Fifa Peace Prize" ain't wort much
Your gas bill's testimony
🏆🏆🏆
Those people aren't here
In Austria 80% more
Especially when you consider that their fuel is actually pretty cheap
C'MON, BIG BEAUTIFUL OBITUARY
I paid 6.49 for premium today in Ann Arbor.
Real question, no shade at all, just ignorance - why premium? What sort of vehicle is that ideal for, and what is the advantage?
Yeah I could Google but I'm more interested in a human's thoughts
Any vehicle with a performance motor needs premium fuel to avoid damaging the engine.
These engines run at a higher compression in order to get more power, and the premium fuel prevents engine knock or pinging, the result of premature combustion from less stable fuel in lower octane ratings.
A vehicle with a performance motor doesn't need to be some luxury line BMW or supercar, either. More common, reasonably priced sports cars also fall into this category.
okay but those are all still toys. is it used for anything practical?
Many people drive reasonably priced sports cars as their primary vehicle. For them, it's just their car the way anyone else's is. My 8 year old VW GTI takes premium, but it's a reasonably standard four dour hatchback that you wouldn't otherwise call a "toy."
My car is a VW station wagon, so yes it's my DD and completely practical
Its kinda a weird naming thing, premium doesn't mean better it's just the rating and you should always use what grade is recommended for your engine
I have a tune that requires 93. The thing that i find interesting is when I put gas in last week I paid 4.79.
Initially regular spiked while premium didn't move much, it seems like premium has caught up.
Motorcycle engines also can benefit, especially ones with high compression engines. By memory I recall my F850GS is rated 5hp less using low octane fuel. It was also recommended to use premium to solve a jerky low rev response I was having, and surprisingly it worked. Not sure if because of the additives (had to seek another brand that had premium) or because the octane.
Thousands killed, Schools bombed in "brown people" countries, neighbors deported to prisons, countless international crimes
Republicans: Crickets
Filling the tank on their 2023 EarthDestroyer costs 45% more than they expected
Republicans: "THAT'S THE LAST STRAW"
Crickets? More like thunderous applause.
Hell, even some SuckDems were getting in on the "They probably bombed themselves with their own Tomahawk missiles. But even if they didn't it all worked out because dead child Iranians can't grow up to be adult terrorists."
Entirely fair.
The petro state can eat shit. As someone who works three minimum wage jobs and still comes up with shit this economy is killing me. Trump can eat a bowl of fucking shit and anyone who voted for him should realize they are a fucking asshole.
If our fellow americans, the staunch supporters of our dementia patient pedo pres, could read they would be very upset. Your lazy life isnt hard, you must not work as much as a hard working billionaire, psh. And Ill be one myself someday if my hat is red enough! Pull yourself up by your bootstraps and work a 12th job! 4th? I cant read.
Can't wait to see the mental gymnastics behind pinning this on Obamna or Sleepy Joe.
If sleepy Joe hadn't stole the 2020 election trump could have invaded Iran 5 years ago and it would have already been over by now!!1! Thanks Obama
Until gas prices drop I'm staying home. Work, rent, and groceries only.
Interesting way to announce your permenant Hermitage.
Unfortunately it’s not going down for a long time.
We will be doing so much winning you might get tired of all the winning! 🫲🍊🫱
so much winning
"I rather pay higher costs in gas as long as it means we're safe!" What I hear on the daily. I'm wondering if the one's saying that lived in fear every single day since 2003? Must be a stressful life
If you don't live in one of the two biggest towers in NYC, you're probably going to be fine.
As an Iranian, I have known this war is coming for 25 years. Iran has done everything in its power to avoid it, but unfortunately it's only a real deterrence that is going to work to keep Iran safe. I'm sorry that makes your acquaintances fell unsafe.
Lmao
It has. I'm sorry that Western morons mistook Iran's patience for weakness. Now the US in particular is going to learn a hard lesson.
It is my hope that in the near future there will be a peace based on mutual respect so that we can focus on the bigger issues for humanity (climate change in particular), but Iran will never bow do genocidal, colonial slave enterprises. It hasn't done so in 7000 years and it certainly won't start now. I do believe that the USA has all of the tools to rectify its course when it comes to colonialism and genocide and I'm rooting for Americans that are trying to take back their country.
Only on Lemmy you can find these fringe losers bending all backwards for theocratic dictators just because of underdog fallacy.
I'm Iranian. I'm opposed to theocracy, and for me and millions of other Iranians that's not just a casual stance, it actually means you have to sacrifice some things. But I'll also defend my country against foreign genocidal aggressors, and I won't apologize for it.
I bet you have zero conception of what life in Iran is actually like so I don't see much point in discussing the good and bad of the Iranian government. I'll say this though: the depiction of Iran as a dictatorship is not only incorrect, it's also a major driver of the failed policies of the West in dealing with Iran. Even if Iran is your enemy, it's good to understand your enemy, and you don't.
It doesn't matter what life in Iran is - Iranian regime is straight up evil and under no circumstances to be defended in any way shape or form. Doesn't mean US isn't wrong just that two wrongs don't make a right.
How did you come to the conclusion hat the Iranian "regime" is evil?
So it costs like 15cts/ltr instead of 10cts/ltr?
87 to 121 cents per liter roughly, prices varied widely around the country, but roughly that as an average. 3$ per gallon to 4.50$ per gallon.
We got basically 5 bucks a gallon round here at some gas stations.
That sounds like Commie talk to be citing reality.
No shortage, just price
the Iran *special military operation
When fuel prices increase, everything else does too. Just wait for the next food and healthcare increases. Thank the idiots who voted for the Orange Russian Pedo agent.
healthcare increased when the extended subsidies ended from covid, that was removed when SCHUMER ended the shutdown early. almost immediately, from the insurance subs in our area, they reported a drastic increase in premiums for ACA plans.
Obligatory fuck Schumer. Coming from a lifelong Dem voter.
im seeing in cali, its 6+$/gallon from shell stations. and 5-5.9 everywhere else.
They've actually jumped 500% if you calculate your percentages the other way
This is why slim shady is driving that Miata now
I get this is a joke. But Miatas are surprisingly inefficient, given their low weight and displacement. You're better off with a Civic, Corolla, Elantra, etc. Miatas are more about smiles per gallon.
And chicks dig em so it’s also smiles per gal
Stop. Fucking. Driving. Everywhere.
Nobody ever stopped doing anything because an angry person online told them to.
It's not an order, it's profoundly obvious advice. Maybe it doesn't happen in your circle as its quite rare, but I have seen a person learn something before.
My dude i drive to work and groceries. Otherwise i stay home. The local park is 3.5 miles away, it's over an hour walk. I just do pushups and squats outside in the parking lot. If i never drove id be reduced to living in my car, ironically.
like work?
If you think I'm selling licenses, then that is my business. Baby.
Gas hasn't been $3 in decade/s......